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You recently changed the entry from "no more than one error in every 10,000 bases sequenced" to "no more than one error in every 100,000 bases sequenced". I have changed it back based on the competition guidelines from the [official website]. Maybe the website is wrong? If so, feel free to credit me and Wikipedia for discovering the error. Clerks 16:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * They had been informed of that error (ironically in the error rate rule) a couple of times already. Their PDF guidelines have been correct. Another editor (Frankatca) seems to refixed the wiki entry back to 100,000.  (By the way, I am on the Archon X-prize SAB). Thanks, --George Church 02:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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 * That page has been moved to the corresponding User page, which seems to be the more appropriate place for it.George Church 02:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Dr. Church, once again I advise you not to edit your own Wikipedia article, please. RJASE1 Talk  12:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Back in Jan 2006 I was inattentive to the nuanced distinction between a User:George_Church page and a main George_Church page and seconds later when I did notice this, I couldn't figure out how to move it to the User page (and still can't). When the COI and "poorly sourced" comments went up recently, I did edit the Talk page, but no one has responded there, and it seemed adding "reliable sources" would be very burdensome for anyone else to provide (for such an obscure, accidental page). In summary, I'd be delighted if someone wants edit this and/or to move this page to my User page.  I'm not comfortable with the COI banner, since it implies that it was intentional and/or ongoing and that I'm not trying to fix the apparent COI. (Please also see my notes to EdJohnston below).  Thanks, --George Church 21:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Please propose any changes at Talk:George Church, don't make them yourself
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 * I'd be happy to improve the User page as time permits after we've cleared up the main page issue. --George Church 21:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

For an example of a practical way to handle the situation, take a look at User:Felsenst. This is the user page of of the biologist Joe Felsenstein, who also contributes to a number of Wikipedia articles. Your Wikipedia user page can serve a a brief introduction of who you are, and perhaps mention some of the topics you work on (or intend to work on) on Wikipedia.

If you are agreeable to leave the editing to others, someone will probably come along to remove the Conflict of Interest banner from George Church. EdJohnston 17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am definitely agreeable to that. I'm doubtful, but hopeful that someone will care enough to check/fix the content and remove the COI banner (please see my comments to RJASE1 above). Sorry for the inconvenience.  Thanks, --George Church 21:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

The answer for how it would ideally be done is: you would create a 'George Church' article as a sub-page of your User page, then invite an experienced editor to come along and evaluate it for submission as an article. I don't have any major objection to how your current article reads, but our protocol is very averse to people editing their own. Since your article was actually listed at our conflict of interest noticeboard you don't have to worry that no-one is paying attention! Leave a message at either User_talk:RJASE1 or User_talk:EdJohnston if you would like a change made. I will report back to the noticeboard and see if anyone has further comments on your article. EdJohnston 22:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I will definitely follow that protocol. It sounds very reasonable and increases my confidence in WP (which was already quite high).  I have no changes at present and look forward to any improvements and/or removal of the COI banner. Thanks, --George Church 23:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Dr. Church, I'm going to leave a note with someone experienced with this sort of thing to review the article for neutrality so we can remove the COI tag as quickly as possible. I really appreciate your cooperation in this, and also appreciate any sources you care to provide on the article's talk page, because we all would like to have a well-written, well-sourced, neutral article on you. Thanks again! RJASE1 Talk  02:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Professor Church, thank you for your prompt and cooperative replies to our volunteers. As the investigating administrator I consider your article to be sufficiently neutral and well sourced and have removed the conflict of interest template.  I hope you'll help improve more of our site's coverage of genetics.  You may wish to inform your colleagues about a new service our site offers: WikiProject Classroom coordination provides advice and guidance to professional educators who incorporate Wikipedia writing assignments into their syllabi.  Regards,  Durova Charge! 02:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Professor Church, I have one final favor to ask - would you mind providing a photo of yourself for your article? If you upload it and let me know the image name, I'll be happy to add it myself. RJASE1 Talk  02:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * photo. Thanks, George Church 23:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sir - I added the image and a basic infobox that can be expanded. Thanks again. RJASE1 Talk  00:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

James Sherley
Professor Church,

Thank you for your commitment to keeping the James Sherley article updated and accurate. Chicken Wing 21:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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This had already been replaced by Image:AHL DNA1.GIF at the time of your (probably partially or fully automatic) note. Thanks, George Church (talk) 13:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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I've replaced the single jpg with four tightly spaced jpgs -- with the result looking nearly identical on the wiki page (Baldwin_brothers). I expect that this will be acceptable. George Church (talk) 13:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

HLA and coeliac
Thanks for your edit to coeliac disease. It is now more consistent with my own understanding of the genetics of this disease, but the information you removed has been pushed quite consistently by. If you look at Talk:Coeliac disease you will see what I mean. If you have an understanding of the issue, could you kindly weigh in on the talkpage and offer your perspective? JFW | T@lk  08:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

My edit didn't really remove any information -- it just rearranged it to make the distinction between gene, allele and haplotype a bit clearer. George Church (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Single cell protein
I was planning to mention this when I made the changes but seem to have forgotten.

I made some changes to your contributions to the article because it could be misinterpreted to mean that yeast are not fungi which I'm sure was not your intention. Having a background in biology myself (albeit a lot lower level then yours), I've some experience with how common it can be be to use such distinctions and simplifications. Sadly I've also some experience (here on wikipedia) with how they can be misintepreted by others, particularly those who are convinced any biologist who mentions animals and humans thinks humans aren't animals in biological terms. These are of course mostly willful misinterpretations but I'm sure you agree reading the earlier version, many people were going to think yeast are not fungi. Of course, they'll probably still think fungi are plants, but we can't fix every misconception :-P

Anyway back to the main point, if you have any alternative suggestions on how to improve the wording, you're welcome to make or propose them. And thanks for your contributions, that article had been a mess for a long while!

Cheers. Nil Einne (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Uvitic acid
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The Wikipedia community has agreed that medical articles deserve the highest quality sourcing. This is laid out in some detail at WP:MEDRS and I'd be grateful if you'd be kind enough to review it before adding any further biomedical claims sourced to primary sources. If you are aware of any high quality secondary sources that might support your contention that a high level oxygen environment can enhance brain activity, then please feel free to supply them, but I'm afraid that 29021747 just isn't good enough. --RexxS (talk) 02:08, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Are you checking the article you're adding content to? Although 29132229 is a useful source to use in the HBOT article, it is not relevant to the Oxygen bar article. Nobody goes to an oxygen bar for "Treatment of Acute Severe Traumatic Brain Injury". The entire premise that oxygen bars are based on is nonsense, as the sources demonstrate, and you're doing nobody any favours by implying there there is any basis in medicine for their existence. --RexxS (talk) 15:38, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree that oxygen (and ethanol) bars are less than ideal. Do you think the following current sentence is true? "Having a higher oxygen fraction in the lungs serves no purpose". If not, then perhaps you can help me fix that. Also it seems useful to have separate headings "Health benefit claims" and "Potential detrimental consequences".George Church (talk) 16:25, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the whole article is messy, mainly because it started life as an advert for oxygen bars back in 2006 – take a look at Special:PermanentLink/93160113 which was free of references and full of errors (as well as promotion). It wasn't much better by the time I started taking an axe to the content in 2008 (Special:PermanentLink/242720722). I hope it's somewhat better now.
 * In the context of the article – normal, uninjured folk breathing 30%–35% oxygen at normobaric pressure –  I must say I do believe that "Having a higher oxygen fraction in the lungs serves no purpose" is true. For a normal person, increasing FO2 from 21% to 35% makes a negligible difference to the amount of O2 bound to hemoglobin in arterial blood (which is 98% of the O2 in the blood) because it's already almost fully saturated, and only increases the 2% of the total which is dissolved in plasma by two-thirds (per Henry's Law). So, no, I don't believe there could possibly be any effect of around a 1% increase in SAO2 in a healthy individual. Although, my opinion on that is worth nothing, as I'm not a reliable source. However, there's a decent overview of all that at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK54103/ and perhaps that could be used to improve the article.
 * We have to remember that sources are paramount. Despite the age of Linda Bren's review for the FDA, its conclusions have not been challenged (to my knowledge) since then, so that really needs to be what our article says. There are no viable health benefit claims for oxygen bars, so it doesn't make sense to me to separate out "Potential detrimental consequences", although in truth those are also rather negligible (people suffering from COPD are usually aware of the danger of breathing elevated levels of O2). We have an article on Effect of oxygen on chronic obstructive pulmonary disease as well as Oxygen toxicity that go into much more detail than is due for the Oxygen bar article, IMHO. --RexxS (talk) 00:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * We have to remember that sources are paramount. Despite the age of Linda Bren's review for the FDA, its conclusions have not been challenged (to my knowledge) since then, so that really needs to be what our article says. There are no viable health benefit claims for oxygen bars, so it doesn't make sense to me to separate out "Potential detrimental consequences", although in truth those are also rather negligible (people suffering from COPD are usually aware of the danger of breathing elevated levels of O2). We have an article on Effect of oxygen on chronic obstructive pulmonary disease as well as Oxygen toxicity that go into much more detail than is due for the Oxygen bar article, IMHO. --RexxS (talk) 00:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

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