User talk:George Ho/Archives/2015/Q4

Opinion polling for the 2012 Hong Kong legislative election in New Territories East
Good afternoon George, I wanted to remind you about the following articles at Articles for deletion/Opinion polling for the 2012 Hong Kong legislative election in New Territories East. Since you began the discussion, are you planning to merge these any time soon? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:30, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject The Office (US)
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So, I don't see a proper closure to the RfC. It simply was filed away. Is this proper procedure? If anything, I saw more comments in favor than against inclusion, and/or the comments opposed were fully debated. XavierItzm (talk) 08:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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Merger
I am going to properly perform the Heroes music merger, as once again, you appied copy/paste, which is not the correct way. 10:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Special:Diff/686679848
As far as I can tell, ping only notifies the user if you also add a signature to the same edit. You didn't sign that edit - the signature was from the day before. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I know that. I wanted an attention; that's all. --George Ho (talk) 03:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

These Arms Are Snakes
Hi there! Could you please help me understand your rationale behind this edit summary? Cheers, Fezmar9 (talk) 22:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Fezmar9: The image is not non-free; it is free. Copyright is not easy to simply explain, but here goes. The EP cover has just pink background, simple font for bands' names, and signature font (not handwritten) for the EP title. It fails to be original and innovative enough to be copyrightable with just common elements inserted, especially in the United States. If the band or label were British, then it would have been copyrightable (see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Two British logos). But it's American; you can also see examples at commons:COM:TOO. --George Ho (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Almost forgot: WP:Image use policy might apply to free and non-free images. --George Ho (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia shouldn't really be the one to be determining whether something is or is able to be copyrighted. Unless explicitly stated elsewhere, it should just be assumed that it is covered by copyright. Legality aside, I really don't see how adding a pink square to this article really enhances the reader's understanding of the band. Per the link you provided, "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article." How does this nondescript cover increase someone's understanding of These Arms Are Snakes? Fezmar9 (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, the EP page is tagged for deletion, so I added the image in the parent article in case that the EP page is deleted. Having it there helps readers recognize one of the band's releases. Really, how is the image copyrightable in the US? It consists of just simple background and simple fonts. No additions or anything to make the image original enough. Look at File:Nirvana album cover.svg; it's considered free to use. George Ho (talk) 17:53, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I could not add back the image per WP:3RR, Fezmar, but I would like your approval of its presence there. As for the rest of track listing, what about AllMusic and iTunes? George Ho (talk) 18:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No track listing should ever be found in an artist's Wikipedia history section. Regardless of what source you find and independent of the PROD, this is not the place for that kind of information——it exclusively belongs on an album article. Even if I concede to adding the plain pink square and even if it does technically maybe fall under fair use, another editor is just going to remove it down the road because it objectively adds nothing to the article nor does it better the reader's understanding of the subject. It's not like it's an iconic cover of a famous album or a controversial cover that sparked debate or anything, it's just a nondescript cover of a little-known EP that can't even pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I do not understand how you can simultaneously make the arguments: (a) this image is plain and unremarkable and (b) it's necessary to a reader's understanding of These Arms Are Snakes. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:NFCC does not apply to free images, Fez. Neither does WP:NFC nor fair use. Here are copyright law of the United States and free content. We can insert free images anywhere we want to put; of course, some editors wants certain images removed as unnecessary and insignificant. As for the EP, it's non-notable, so (as said before) I tagged it for deletion. I just wanted to include the image for preservation and awareness. --George Ho (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Third Opinion
A third opinion has been requested about These Arms Are Snakes. The question appears to have to do with copyright or non-free content. However, please state concisely what the question is. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Robert, is this image eligible or ineligible for copyright in the US and worldwide? This image is American because the band and the EP are American. Also, does including the image in the article help readers understand the band per WP:IUP? Also, can I include tracks of an EP in the band article? --George Ho (talk) 02:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * : pings require a new signature to be added within a comment to work. It's a horrible bug but it's easily worked around. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 06:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I have moved the discussion (and addressed it) here.  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 00:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Image sizes
The assertion in this edit summary is not entirely correct. You should note that WP:IMGSIZE starts with the words Images adjacent to text. This refers to images that we see throughout an article, not those in the infobox. If you read further down WP:IMGSIZE you'll see that the section says Lead images should usually be no wider than (which is the default equivalent of 300px at preference setting of "220px"). The infobox image is the lead image, and it is this part of WP:IMGSIZE that applies to the infobox image. Most infoboxes, including Infobox television use Module:InfoboxImage, which provides specific parameters for formatting infobox images. The format that you changed to at The Big Bang Theory is the "old way" and only supported by Module:InfoboxImage to provide backward compatibility. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 07:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Reading WP:IMGSIZE again, do you want to set a force width ("px") without a good reason? We must respect users' own preferences of image size display. We shouldn't force all readers to see just 300px or 250px. Do you want 100% or 115%  of user's preferred size? George Ho (talk) 07:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, the "do not force" is not aimed at infobox images. It is aimed at images in the text. The lead image is a special case and is generally forced because the lead image is supposed to draw the reader's attention. However, I have modified Infobox television to use the "upright" parameter, which now means that there is normally no need to specify image sizes at all. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 07:39, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate to ask this, but have we gotten along historically? You and I have historically argued back and forth, AussieLegend. Or maybe it's just me having problems with others. I don't know whether I should ask for truce. I fear that one of us would continue competing for control or power or... I don't know. But I don't wanna argue back and forth anymore, and I'm tired of win/lose excitement or feeling surge. I want good collaboration. For instance, we can discuss the image of the theme song single again in a calmer way, especially when it would be re-nominated for deletion. What do you say? --George Ho (talk) 07:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't really had any personality problems with you but, to be brutally honest, I do tend to feel that you keep wanting to change things that the community has discussed over and over and have resolved. You also seem to misunderstand our policies and guidelines. I don't see any need to waste on the theme song image again. There are far better and more pressing issues. For the record, I came here today simply to provide some advice. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 07:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; TBBT article is PC-protected. That's all it matters. By the way, I did request it. George Ho (talk) 08:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for 2015 Thalys train attack
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:13, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Christian Bassogog
On 26 October, will you renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 06:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it unprotected for now, and keep an eye on it. Happy to renew PC if there's a continued need. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 01:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

ITN sorts
It's no big deal at all, I think you're making a massive and pointless mountain out of a molehill. Try to focus on important things in future. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Now that the report is removed as "non-error", perhaps I'll take this to WT:ITN instead. Shall we, Rambling Man? --George Ho (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As you like but be advised that you're probably wasting your own time and other people's time in doing so. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

RFC: Relisting Process for Page Moves
George, since you have participated in discussions regarding Page Moves and the relisting process, I invite you to share your own comments over at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves - there is an existing discussion regarding formally banning relisters from voting. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Changing templates
When changing templates, please update the template documentation accordingly so it's not just you that are aware of the modifications. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't, User:The Rambling Man: the "editnotice" subpage editing access is restricted to administrators and template editors. --George Ho (talk) 20:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But you just edited the template, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I meant this one. I already updated the template documentation. I don't know whether you can see updates on your computer. --George Ho (talk) 20:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Shuja Khanzada
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for 2015 Attock bombing
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Allegra Versace
If you want to, you can take a look at the article about Allegra Versace. That article is this weeks TAFI.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Norm Peterson
"X's name is named" is a really weird redundancy - was actively mocked by Lewis Carroll - and anyway would be bad style with the use of the word "name" in quick succession. Is there some subtlety I was missing that makes my edit not actually true? 86.30.55.201 (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "the same as". It wasn't easy though. --George Ho (talk) 10:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * "the same as" is also an odd way of putting it, because it allows the possibility of it being a coincidence, which is not at all what the sentence is trying to get across.   You could have just let my edit stand.   86.30.55.201 (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

deprod
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DYK for Umpqua Community College shooting
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:02, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
Apologies hit the wrong button on that page, ran into an edit conflict while trying to rollback my change, did not mean to revert your work without any discussion. Let's discuss it here or there. Thx, Shearonink (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, though I started a discussion at the talk page. --George Ho (talk) 01:47, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Route 66 TV logo
George your Route 66 TV logo is done please review it, and call it "resolved" at the top if your content with the result - FOX 52 (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

File:BestofMeSoundtrack.jpg
You make good points. If you wish to remove it, feel free to do so. Eric444 (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Indoor tanning lotion
This article is overdue for another AFD. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:F05D:49AD:7B3C:978C (talk) 09:43, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
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Chinese opera singer articles
Thank you so much for your helpful edits at Liao Changyong‎. I recently created articles on two other Chinese singers: Zhou Xiaoyan‎ and Ying Fang‎. I would appreciate your eyes on those articles as well. :-)4meter4 (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for University of Hong Kong pro-vice-chancellor selection controversy
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Project Invite
Go Hokies (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Hisham Nazer
You have recently nominated him for RD. His significance is due to his past role as the minister of oil in Saudi Arabia. However, you did not mention this position. Thanks, --Egeymi (talk) 06:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry
Apologies for the edit conflicts at the Colorado Springs shooting article. Looks like we were trying to do the same thing at the same time :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:18, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Walk Like A Panther
As it contains "like" and I am never sure on capitalization from example to example, can you move to the correct spot - the "A" is also wrong? Cheers and thanks. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Ranjit Roy Chaudhury
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Planned Parenting shootings
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DYK for Valletta Summit on Migration
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Formatting for redirect categories
Hi, George. Redirect categories start on the 3rd line. The redirect goes on the 1st line, then you skip a line, then you start the redirects on separate lines. I restored [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Bernardino_shooting&diff=694581646&oldid=693686428 this] one back to the 3rd line. Cheers! 12:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Teen witch vhs 1989.jpg
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BENN JORDAN
This article has been tagged for deletion and is quite dubious as the musician clearly wrote it himself, is not notable, and has 18 seperate articles for purported releases that are unsourced, not notable or never actually released. Total Puff Piece. Please assist by locking page to amateur editors, and ensure the deletion process runs its course on the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benn_Jordan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicchief007 (talk • contribs) 10:59

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:28, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Announcerless Game DYK nom
I amended the existing hooks to use the date of the game instead of "35 years ago today", something I usually try to do so that minimal changes are necessary, certainly not striking them all through and asking for new hooks. Although in fairness I provided some that I had thought of since writing the nomination and finishing the article, which wasn't necessary and created more work; in the future if you see hooks phrased that way that will not be able to make their suggested date just go ahead and make that change, at least if I'm the nominator.

As you can see I'm a little resentful. But you could make it up to me by reviewing Sodder children disappearance and getting it in the queue for Christmas Eve like I recently requested, to apparent resounding silence, on the talk page (this about an article I created around Thanksgiving, and nominated shortly thereafter). Daniel Case (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * George Ho, I am flabbergasted by your insistence on stalling this nomination. The recent push for "Frank Sinatra Day" (see File:Wikipedia Frank Sinatra Day 12 December 2015.jpg), which included two full themed sets and a lead article that ran over 24 hours with two hooks and two images, was solely the result of collaboration on the part of DYK editors. The Caesars Palace article achieved GA status a day before the set went live and was inserted last-minute into the queue. Today I saw Daniel Case's request for a review of his last-minute article for December 20 and acted on it as quickly as I could. I do not understand how this event qualifies as an "anniversary" for ITN. It appears that Daniel has put a lot of time and work into the article. Why can't you just promote it? Yoninah (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean On This Day (OTD), Yoninah? I can't interfere with promoted hooks as their nominations ran very long. If you insist, I can add more ALTs. Why can't you? --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question. I reviewed the DYK and approved the first hook. I pinged another editor to promote it to Prep 4. Why do we need more ALTs? Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I added ALTs unrelated to what happened on that day. Can you do the same? George Ho (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No. The hook should – and can – run on December 20 if you remove your "no" icon and let it proceed. Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I added the "red" icon with the hooks that I mentioned earlier. We'll just wait for another reviewer to do this. George Ho (talk) 21:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Quviahugvik


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Cold war II portions
Well and good. But who is to determine these portions and will there be consensus on what they should be? It is like fighting terrorism in Syria: my allies are terrorists for you and vice versa, but we all agree to fight "terrorism".Axxxion (talk) 14:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Pls, see User talk:Axxxion. Thanks.Axxxion (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Eckwersheim derailment
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

English Civil War
"Renew PC?" I won't do it unless there is significant renewed vandalism. FWICT it usually happens mainly during the first term of the British school year. -- PBS (talk) 23:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

ITN
I would like to know what it is that I will be sorry about. I don't think threatening other Wikipedia users is a good thing. 331dot (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)