User talk:George Ince

November 2018
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Aircraft Interiors Expo
You're going to need to provide evidence of significant coverage in independent sources before you can expand this redirect into an article. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Please could you let me know what would be required for significant evidence? There is already a page for the show on the German Wiki but almost all visitors/exhibitors are English speaking to it seemed worthy of a English page.
 * I've reverted your changes again. Your content was entirely too promotional and based entirely on self-published sources and advertorials. You'll need to provide evidence of actual independent coverage (i.e. magazine/trade journal articles not written with the intent of specifically promoting this event, but rather reporting on it in a neutral manner). WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dan,

Please could you help with regards to my attempted changes of the AIX page. I can see your point regarding self-promotion and independent sources but I believe the page meets those requirements. There is an Aircraft Interiors Expo page on wiki.de which has not been taken down. Regarding self promotion it is impossible in some ways as the show truly is the largest of it's kind globally with the data and numbers to back this up, this is impartial as you cannot argue with data. As for independent publications, all of those cited I found via google. These have been written by various different journalists across the globe, yet again these publications focus solely on the shows subject, as such the show is one of the main events of the year for them causing lots of positive coverage. I challenge you to find any advertorial content in the sources I cited, those articles have all been impartial, the exhibition is organised by Reed Exhibitions who do not own or run any aviation publications at all. They all meet your requirement of "independent coverage (i.e. magazine/trade journal articles not written with the intent of specifically promoting this event, but rather reporting on it in a neutral manner". If there are elements in particular that stand out to you please let me know and I will tone them down to a level it isn't self promotion.

Kind regards, (George Ince (talk) 15:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC))
 * The first line of your article included the phrase "is the global must attend event to see the latest ideas and innovations in aircraft interiors" (bold-case yours). That's advertising, not neutral description. The rest of the article continued in the same lines. The sources used included press releases published by the event, the event's own website, and various articles published in various websites / magazines whose sole purpose was to promote the event. The German language article is written in much more neutral language, but still relies on some questionable sources. de.wiki may have different standards for inclusion than en.wiki, so I have nothing further to say on the de.wiki article. And your statement that "self-promotion is impossible as it is truly the largest show of its kind" make no sense, really. Even the largest show can promote itself (how else does it become the largest?). An assessment of the sources listed in your article:


 * 1) Aircraft Interiors Expo to Mark 20th Anniversary in 2019 (Business Jet Interiors International): advertorial
 * 2) History of the AIX: Self-published (AIX website)
 * 3) Aircraft Interiors Expo to Mark 20th Anniversary in 2019 (Aircraft Interiors International): advertorial (and a duplicate of the first reference, right down to the fact that the same company publishes both websites)
 * 4) Passenger Experience Week 2019: Self-published website of the AIX parent organization, which serves only as a registration portal for AIX
 * 5) Passenger Experience Conference: Same as above.
 * 6) World Travel Catering & Onboard Services Expo: unrelated event which happens to be "co-located" with AIX
 * 7) Passenger Technology Solutions: unrelated event which happens to be co-located with AIX
 * 8) Make sure you're demonstrating how technology is redefining the passenger experience; Passenger Technology Solutions returns to Passenger Experience Week from 2-4 April 2019 (Bloomberg): Article about the unrelated Passenger Technology Solutions conference that mentions AIX in passing
 * 9) "Four Events One Venue" (Onboard Hospitality) Advertorial, barely mentioning AIX in passing
 * 10) Twenty years of interior innovations (Aerospace Manufacturing) Advertorial whose content is almost identical to the first two references
 * 11) The Airline Club: Self-published (AIX website)
 * 12) IFEC Zone: Self-published (AIX website)
 * 13) IFEC Zone packed with innovation and development (PAX International): One solid citation. This appears to be a valid, independent source about at least one aspect of the AIX.
 * 14) Crystal Cabin Award Winners: Self-published (these awards are awarded by AIX, no?)
 * 15) General Information (Crystal Cabin Awards): Self-published
 * 16) Finalists and Winners (Crystal Cabin Awards): Self-published


 * If you can find more sources like the PAX International source, which are independent and not promotional, you might have something. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)