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User:ClockworkSoul 13:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome from me as well. Thanks for your contributions to the Original Dixieland Jass Band article! Looking at the text you added to the Harry Shields article, I was wondering if you put it there by mistake when it actually belonged in the article for his brother Larry Sheilds? I moved your new text to the Harry Sheilds article talk page for the time being. By the way, are you related to those famous musicians? Best wishes, -- Infrogmation 17:00, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Harry Shields is my grand uncle.

Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Mighty oaks from little acorns grow
Examples of early variants of 'mighty oaks from little acorns grow ' are found in:

Geoffrey Chaucer's Troilus and Criseyde, 1374:

"as an ook cometh of a litel spyr" [a spyr, or spire, is a sapling]

Thomas Fuller's Gnomologia, 1732:

"The greatest Oaks have been little Acorns."

and in an essay by D. Everett in The Columbian Orator, 1797:

"Large streams from little fountains flow, Tall oaks from little acorns grow."

The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations states that 'great oaks from little acorns grow' is a 14th century proverb. Unfortunately, they don't include any details to support their view.

The 'mighty' version is known, in the USA at least, from the middle of the 19th century. It appeared in A. B. Johnson's The Philosophical Emperor, a Political Experiment, 1841.

notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? --EEMIV (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

This article was moved under list of planets and not deleted. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Spam in M5 fiber
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This article was fleshed out and not deleted. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Peter power armor
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 * Non-notable short story.

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Speedy deletion of Peter power armor
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Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Geraldshields11! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 3 of the articles that you created  are  Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the list:

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This article was fleshed out and not deleted. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Husayn al-Shami


The article Husayn al-Shami has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not notable. Fails biography guidelines

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This article was fleshed out and not deleted. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Mesa (Honorverse) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mesa (Honorverse) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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This article was moved under list of planets and not deleted. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

June 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not include unsupported or inaccurate statements. Whenever you add possibly controversial statements about a living person to an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did to Nadya Suleman, you must include proper sources. If you don't know how to cite a source, you may want to read Referencing for beginners for guidelines. Thank you. — raeky  t  12:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The Express, a publication of the Washington Post, in their People Lookout section, on June 7, 2012, reported that Nadya "Octomom" Suleman canceled her strip club employment because of a radio interview with a bartender at the strip club. Also, the story was reported by TMZ.com. So, that is two sources; one of which is sponsered by a major newspaper. Both sources were cited in the edit summary.Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Mighty oaks from little acorns grow. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Ouch! You've used a template to send a to an experienced editor. Please review Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. Geraldshields11 (talk) 01:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to CVUA
Thank you W.D.. I accept the hard work that comes along with the responsibility. Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

First Lesson- STiki
Your first lesson is on using STiki, it is located here. If you have any questions then please just ask.W.D. 12:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Roger Huerta
It appears you accidentally re-added the vandalism to the Roger Huerta article that had been previously removed. I'm just leaving you this note as a heads up in case you've made a similar error somewhere else. Chicken Wing (talk) 23:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and the heads up. Geraldshields11 (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Soraya Tarzi
All those references have made this a mess. They don't all meet WP:RS so far as I can see, eg a " music journalist/pop culture critic" doesn't qualify. Did you add the "Milton Keynes & Northampton Communists" website? Anyway, I've removed some and am questioning the others at WP:RSN. Dougweller (talk) 08:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear Dougweller, Please see the talk page for Soraya Tarzi where I discuss my concerns about the cites and POV. Also, the critic's newspaer article. Thanks. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:RSN for extended discussion. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for working with me on making a great article with good cites. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Holiday
Hey Geraldshields11, just to let you know, I am on holiday until 28 July, so if you need me then I will be able to respond but there may be a delay of a few days or so ,Thanks, W.D. 16:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear W.D., Thank you and enjoy your holiday. I will keep calm and carry on. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

edit summaries are important
for preventing the mistake of reverting genuine edits such as this one. It should not have been reverted. But I understand you may have missed reading it, take care next time cheers.-- D Big X ray  15:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear User:DBigXray, Thank you for the information. Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry.
Hey, sorry I have not talked to you lately, I completely forgot (sorry)! I will be preparing your next lesson (on Huggle) very shortly. Thanks for your patience, W.D. 15:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

FSU
The entry Former Soviet Union appears in both the main body and the "See also" section, some of the entries have articles "a" while others do not, and "offshore industry" is itself an ambiguous description. If you're going to revert legitimate edits without giving any reason, kindly fix the problems yourself. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 01:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear anonymous user at IP address 61.18.190.15,
 * Even though FSU is a disambiguation page, it is under constant watch. Also, there have been several reverts due to vandalism from this IP address. Please consider using a user name to and sign your discussions. Thanks. Geraldshields11 (talk) 14:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I pointed out three very specific problems in my message to you. This is a complete non-response to the issues I raised. Instead you make a false accusation that I did not sign my response. Try again. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 23:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you using an IP address as your signature? Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This is a very bizarre and off topic question, but unlike you I'll assume good faith and give you a simple explanation: if you have an account and you type four tildes ~, the result is your username. If you do not have an account and you type four tildes, the result is your IP address. I am signing every post. Now for the third time, can you kindly fix the problems I pointed out on FSU, or give an actual reason for reverting my edits besides "you're an IP"? 61.18.190.15 (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * RE: a (+4) change to FSU disambiguation page

Dear user at IP address 61.18.190.15:

First, my reason for the change, on August 10, 2012, to the FSU disambiguation page, as stated in the edit summary, is a "Good faith revert of edit(s) by 61.18.190.15 using STiki". This is because the previous version is more likely than not more expressive of the version previously discussed and the terms on the disambiguation page than the (+4) change you advocate. See the March 22 and 23, 2010 discussion between Labattblueboy (talk) and Sirberus (talk) on the issue of Post-Soviet States, which was kept in the see also section. See WP:ES and WP:D.

Second, people on Wikipedia can disagree, in good faith, over changes. See WP:AGF.

Third, my edit to the FSU disambiguation page is a (+4) change. See FSU: Revision history.

Fourth, if you feel that strongly about a (+4) change to the FSU disambiguation page, then if you want to edit, reorder the list, or even add the letter "a" to the FSU disambiguation page, then edit and feel free to enjoy the feeling of a job well done. That’s what Wikipedia is about. See WP:SOP and WP:FivePillars.

Fifth, a user, who uses language such as "unlike you I will assume good faith," does not generate consensus. See WP:CONS.

Six, my question, about you using an IP address as your signature, comes from the issue that multiple users could be using that IP address and I sought clarification. If a user uses a unique user name, instead of an IP address, then a user can receive accolades that the user so richly deserves. Please consider a using a unique user name. See WP:WCAA. Perhaps we should work together to make great articles with good cites and find common ground. See WP:Tea.


 * Thank you for finally telling me why you reverted my edit. I make a point of observing WP:1RR/WP:BRD and normally the "D" phase is reached much faster than this. Now I have made two edits to FSU. I removed the duplicate link, and I fixed the ambiguity about offshore . I have not split the page into two sections nor moved "Former Soviet Union" to the top of the second section, which judging from your reply was the controversial part of my edit.


 * Regarding the rest of your reply: it does not matter how many bytes an edit changes, but that when you are using automated tools to revert non-vandal edits you should provide an edit summary explaining your changes (not just "oh it's good faith but I'll revert it anyway") so that users do not have to have long and unproductive conversations with you trying to puzzle out your motivations. Others have already pointed this out to you: . And better yet, when reverting an edit which contains both controversial and non-controversial changes, instead of using an automated tool to roll back the whole thing, simply use your keyboard to delete the controversial changes while leaving the non-controversial changes in place.


 * And finally, there is no requirement to create an account (as WP:WCAA itself states in its second sentence) and I do not want one. The only reason I can see to have one is to avoid ridiculous prejudice from people who assume that every edit coming from an IP is vandalism and that IPs can be reverted and bullied without consequence. 61.18.190.15 (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, from STiki !

 * Well done.W.D. 18:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Holiday
Hey Geraldshields11. I am going on holiday (again) and may not respond swiftly until 02/09. Sorry, I feel like I am deserting you! W.D. 20:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please enjoy your holiday. I will carry on. Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

AN/I
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Sorry to drag you into this. little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 03:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I will click on the link. See you there. Geraldshields11 (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I typed the interesting happenings and by the time I clicked Save Page the decision had already been made and the discussion had closed for further edits. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

GOCE word counts
Hi. Thanks for joining the drive. I've entered the word counts for your first two articles for you. There's a tool by Dr pda, described here, that you can use for getting the word counts. By the way, the *R notation refers to articles on the GOCE Requests Page. As the article you've done and the one you're doing now were not there, but were tagged, the *R doesn't apply to them. Hope you enjoy the drive. --Stfg (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I can not download the tool, by Dr pda, to the computer I am using. So, it is hard to count the words. Thank you for your help in this matter. It is much appreciated.
 * Sorry about the *R. I thought the *R was for articles from Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit from September 2012
 * Please Stfg feel free to edit my results as I am new. Cheers. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries. The tool isn't actually for downloading. You may already have a file called User:Geraldshields11/XXXX.js, where XXXX is whatever Wikipedia skin you use (for example, I use vector skin). Otherwise you can create such a file. Then all you need to do is to paste the following line:


 * importScript('User:Dr pda/prosesize.js'); //User:Dr pda/prosesize.js


 * into it and refresh your browser cache. You can also copy-paste into a word processor and use its word-counting tool, though that's often more work. I took a look at Nguyen Thien Thuat and you did a fine job there. Thanks for contributing. --Stfg (talk) 18:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the compliment. It is much appreciated. Geraldshields11 (talk) 00:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You earned it. I see you've imported the Dr pda script on to your main userpage. I don't think that will work. If you'd like to tell me what skin you're using, I can give you clearer guidance. --Stfg (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Please tell me how to find out what skin I am using. I do not know many of the tools of Wikipedia. Thanks. Geraldshields11 (talk) 12:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Click the link to "My preferences" from any wikipedia page, then click the link to "Appearance" near the top. Near the top of the page you reach, there's a series of radio buttons with labels from "Chick" to "Vector". Whichever one is selected is the name of your skin. --Stfg (talk) 13:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I have MonoBook. I imported the code into the page and then saved. Also, I explored the other check boxes and did some modification of my settings. Thank you for pointing me in the correct direction and giving me the reason to explore Wikipedia. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Dear Stfg: Please could you take a look at the Vulnetari article before I remove the copy edit tag from the main article page and put the reviwed tag on the talk page? Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I've done that. Unfortunately, the wikEdDiff gadget was confused by something in the article, making it impossible for me to tell what exact changes you've made, so I just checked the article in its current state. What you did is very acceptable. As you'll see, I made a few changes, especially:
 * "milita" isn't an English form;
 * consistency of treatment of "Vulnetari" as singular or plural;
 * consistency over whether villages are Serb or Serbian;
 * "not only ... but also ..." is too colloquial and a bit verbose;
 * a few tweaks to avoid repetition of words to close together.


 * I hope these suggestions will help. Best wishes. --Stfg (talk) 16:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

We seem to be not quite there on the word counts yet. Are you seeing a "Page size" tool towrds the bottom of the Toolbox on the left of the window now? --Stfg (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being patient with me. I found the toolbox - page size link with your help. By the way, what did you mean when you typed "milita" isn't an English form? It is a word used in the US Constitution, Amendment II. I am on the other side of the pond than you, I belive. Geraldshields11 (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being patient with me. Yes, I'm GB, but "milita" -- really? The version given here, which I think is reliable for this, isn't it?, spells it "militia". I checked with wiktionary before writing the above comment, and now looking further, none of Merriam-Webster, Chambers (1983) and OED online know it either. Is it an archaism, maybe? --Stfg (talk) 21:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is an archaism. I declare that consensus is found in your favor because your cite is better than mine, you are patient with me, and you are a great bloke. Geraldshields11 (talk) 01:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pauline A. Chen


The article Pauline A. Chen has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable (in Wikipedia terms).

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:40, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Pauline A. Chen is notable because she has written two books. The most important book is The Red Chamber, which is an Americanized version of the famous Chinese classic, as discussed on the talk page. Pauline A. Chen is just as notable as Pauline W. Chen, who has a long standing Wikipedia article with roughly the same accomploshishments. Please see Pauline Chen and talk page for my comments. 108.18.187.242 (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I edited the article and added more reasons why the author is notable. Do you agree Andy Mabbett? Please respond on the article's talk page. Thanks. Geraldshields11 (talk) 08:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Gerald, for future reference you can contest proposed deletions by simply removing the PROD tag from the article. If anyone still thinks it should be deleted they can take it to articles for deletion. I agree with you that Chen seems notable and so I removed the tag myself. Jujutacular (talk) 17:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Jujutacular, Sorry, I do not know all of the procedures of Wikipedia yet. I thought it was frowned upon that a creator of an article remove the delete tag. I thought I was to close to the subject and I tagged myself because of my emotions (I relized that I was about to act strange and stepped away from the keyboard.) I thank everyone, including the people, who propose to delete, for taking time and attention on this article. I defer to consensus. Geraldshields11 (talk) 23:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Jeremy Garrett
Good decision! He probably is notable, but an article like that ...! Good luck. --Stfg (talk) 20:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I tried to reorg the entire article and did my best but there were no inline cites anywhere. I left suggestions on the talk page and I hope for the best. I am in China so my Wikipedia output is dismal.
 * By the way, I created an article on Pauline A. Chen and suggested a title change for the article on Pauline Chen. Please would you take a look at Pauline A. Chen and tell me if she is notable? I am currently too close to the subject and I tagged myself as having a conflict because I started to beat a dead horse. If you think she is notable, please remove the delete tag. If not then, I will let it go and work on another article. Thanks. Geraldshields11 (talk) 10:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know whether she's notable or not, but it seems rather strange to create an article and then PROD it. Do you want it on the 'pedia or not? If you do, you can deprod it and wait see what the community makes of it. Why are you marking it as related to feminism and to gender studies? Nothing in the article explains her relationship to those topics. --Stfg (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Just a few things in general about copy editing. We put GOCEinuse on the article, not on the talk page. It's a good idea to remove any copyedit tag from the article at the same time, so that another copy editor doesn't come along and clash with you. We don't put working tags on articles -- they are for housekeeping pages like the GOCE requests and drive pages. Also, please don't insert lots of blank lines. Never (well, almost never) more than one blank line. Hope this all helps. -- Stfg (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Stfg, Ok. Thanks for the tips. I will reread the instructions to the copy edit pages before I continue. By the why what is PROD? I thought tagged myself as having a conflict (because I was too heavly invested) and I was asking the community to help contribute. So, it seems I used the wrong tag to request help. Live and learn. Geraldshields11 (talk) 11:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Pauline A. Chen for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pauline A. Chen is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Pauline A. Chen until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:18, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Jeremy Garrett for deletion
This is a courtesy notice that I have nominated the above-named aritcle for deletion, per here:

Besieged (talk) 23:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)