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Official photo of Kim Jong-Un and Ri Sol-ju
Since there is bound to be an official photo of Kim Jong-Un and Ri Sol-ju somewhere in the DPRK, why not just ask your local DPRK embassy cultural attaché if she has an appropriate open-source digital photo that the DPRK would not mind having posted on Wikipedia.org? Then, the embassy can post it on their website and an editor can copy it and then post the photo to the appropriate article page. The cultural attaché would look good by doing this small courtesy. It is a win for the DPRK, a win for the editor, and a win for Wikipedia.org. Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:21, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can tell from your suggestion that you have never dealt with the North Koreans before. :) —Psychonaut (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. Official DPRK material is all copyright by default, it would require the DPRK to make a special exception. I think someone in the embassy might be reluctant to stick their neck out with something like the beautiful wife of the leader! Green Cardamom (talk) 17:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm almost sure we have an editor here who could take a picture, if they have the guts to. After all, they seem to have used Wikipedia's article as a recipe for the bomb. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm almost sure we have an editor here who could take a picture, if they have the guts to. After all, they seem to have used Wikipedia's article as a recipe for the bomb. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree it would be difficult, User:Fred Bauder, Green Cardamom, and Psychonaut, but it can not hurt to ask. It would be like hunting for the elusive cite to an article that for some reason has no or few citations. See Soraya Tarzi for the end result of the hunting of the cite. Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just called the Mission of the DPRK at the UN and asked. The officer said call back tommorrow. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a promising lead. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Snark hunting is only for the very brave or the very foolish. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I called the DPRK UN Mission back, got the voice mail, and left a message. Hope the Mission can provide the digital photos because it could be part of the DPRK's charm offensive. Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "DPRK's charm offensive" .. now I know you're joking. I hope they provide the pictures, good luck on your quest! Green Cardamom (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not joking about the part about the two telephone calls to the UN Mission of the DPRK. I actually did it.
 * Let's try not to be snarky, at this time, be reasonably respectful because the UN Mission of the DPRK might look at this talk page and think we are not serious about getting a digital photo of the Kim Jong-Un, the son of the Dear Leader, and Ri Sol-ju. I am very sure the Dear Leader would want his son and the son's wife to have an appropriate photograph on Wikipedia. It would be very bad and very disrespectful to deny the birthright of the son of the Dear Leader. Hopefully, the attaches' will have a speed battle to provide the photos. Just my opinion. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)  edited again by Geraldshields11 (talk) 12:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

We should be reasonably respectful. I don't have a lot of trouble with that. Like many observers I'm quite optimistic and impressed by Kim and his wife. But, of course, prepared to be disappointed. We not in any position to remove unfavorable material, but would love to move most of it to History of North Korea. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with User:Fred Bauder and Green Cardamom and I will modify my behavior. Thanks for reading between the above and I hope for the best about getting the photos. I understand it is a long shot but someone should do it even if it is a windmill that looks like a giant. Geraldshields11 (talk) 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * On 21 August 2012, at 4:02 PM EST, I, again, contacted the UN Mission of the DPRK and explained the search of public-domain photographs of Kim Jong-un and Ri Sol-ju for the purpose of posting on Wikipedia. The officer, that answered, referred me to www.kpna.kp.
 * Following a modified Lewis Caroll's Bellman's Rule as illustrated by Parhat v. Gates, since I telephoned three times and could not find someone to say the photographs exists, therefore, the photographs do not exist (so, no more calling the United Nations Mission of the DPRK; we do not want to WP:Hound).
 * However, this windmill is still waving its giant arms and I have another method of possibly getting the photographs on 22 August 2012 . My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 20:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * After contacting various organizations in Washington, DC, for digital photographs, I could not find a copyright free open source. Still undeterred, I went to Dandong in PR of China, which is across the Yalu River from Sinŭiju, North Korea and, at a museum dedicated to the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea, all I got was this picture of a picture of his grandfather. So, my quest is ended. I am now focusing on more fruitful pursuits.


 * Please see the attached photo. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC) I struck out the photo on 2 October 2012. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to burst your bubble, but the original copyright still persists in a photograph of a photograph. Unless you had permission from the copyright holder of that image of Kim Il-Sung, then it's not permitted to upload it to Commons and claim that it's under a CC licence. &mdash;Psychonaut (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ThanksPsychonaut, I appricate it. I am just saying that I could not find pictures of the couple even though I traveled to the border of the DPRK. It seems easier to find a copyright free photo of Kate Middleton's torso than a picture of the Dear Successor's wife, who is wearing Chanel-style clothing. I am just saying as a comment on cultural priorities. I am now focusing on more fruitful pursuits. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)