User talk:Gerd 72

Hello there,why are you deleting the pictures from Albanian military?

Coast Guard Vessel R-122
Do you have any photos or information of the 44ft Motor Lifeboat vessel R-122?

This vessel was purchased from the Italian Coast Guard (CP 303) in December 2001 but was originally built by the US Coast Guard (44337) in 1965. More information can be found om my web site which is dedicated to these boats at 44ft Motor Lifeboats I would very much like a photo of the R-122 for use on my web site as well, if you have one? mail@44mlb.com --44mlb (talk) 13:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Albanian Land Forces Command
Hi Gerd, I made the graphic: Image:Albanian Land Forces.png. You added to the article, that the Tank Battalion has been dissolved, therefore I will remove it from the graphic. Are there other changes to the structural graphic that I should also make? Thanks for any info you have, --noclador 15:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the jpg graphic. It was very difficult to find the graphic! If you want to link in wikipedia to a graphic you do it like this Image:Albanian Armed Forces New Structure.JPG. this makes it much easier to find the graphic :-) I will update the graphic with the new structure tonight. --noclador 10:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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"Skanderbeg" Military University
You didn't mention in which country this military university is situated. I suspect it is Albania, according to. Furthermore, you haven't given any references for your article. With a little effort, you can remedy this. JoJan 14:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Note: Not sure why this user has blanked so many Albanian pages, including Roman Catholicism in Albania (in addition to the ones above).  -FeralDruid (talk) 08:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

In response to your comments on my talk page, you might want to discuss such changes with other editors, or propose deletion of the articles in question, with a justification for the proposal, rather than just blanking pages. Blanking pages without discussion can appear to be vandalism, and in this case was interpreted as such. -FeralDruid (talk) 10:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hey do you got more pics of the damen stan patrol 4207 of Albania ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.41.37 (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Somebody has vandalised the pictures at the Albanian Armed Forces pages. How can I report it? Thanks

Vandalism
Somebody without registration has vandalised by deleting some of the images at the Albanian Armed Forces. This includes also images from the Air Force. Anybody can help because I am not an expert in reporting details of the vandalism. Thank you


 * Hi Gerd, Vandalism can easily be reverted/undone by looking at the edit comparisons i.e. click on top of your talkpage on history and then you will land here. Now click on the versions you want to compare and you will see something like this. By clicking on undo you can undo the the edits you are looking at; however this is only possible if you are looking at the last edit! edits before that can not be undone. You will have to reinsert the text by hand. If you want to know more about vandalism protection and about how to undo edits have a look at WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Twinkle here you can find all information and some tools to help you stop vandalism.

Scusami se ti rispondo in inglese, ma vivo da anni all'estero e per cominciare sono di madrelingua tedesca; ma nonostante un fiero Alpino :-) --noclador (talk) 22:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Great Job Mate
Gerd 72,this is a great work,mate.I'm albanian too but i don't know yet if it is alowed to talk in albanian in discussion page.I'm still new here.I would like to watch some more history about our troops not only after the indipendence,but even the prizren league troops and the troops of the pashalleqe.It would be nice to talk more about their history.Anyway,te fala dhe vazhdo keshtu!Felix. Felix (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC).

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Possible Unfree Images
Please note that all your uploaded images have been listed at Possibly unfree files/2009 August 30 as possibly unfree as it is questioned that you have taken all the images yourself. You are welcome to comment on the suggestion. MilborneOne (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to bring up any deleted image to WP:Deletion review, but please know that you will have to answer the questions regarding authenticity that were initially addressed each time an image was listed for deletion. Skier Dude  ( talk ) 15:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S.- you may also want to look at Ownership of articles - accusing others of vandalism (such as at User talk:Fireaxe888) for good faith edits is highly frowned upon. Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, You MUST bring this up to WP:Deletion review - not my talk page, not Possibly unfree files/2009 August 30. This is not a sole admin. decision, but is done by consensus at WP:Deletion review.  Skier Dude  ( talk ) 19:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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The explanation, at User:Gerd 72, that you formerly worked in the Albanian military, would explain why you have some very fine pictures of the Albanian military.

It seems some people doubt your word. I am sorry they aren't more tactful in expressing their doubts. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

OTRS
The wikimedia projects use an "open ticket" system, to verify stuff like real world identities.

Some more images you uploaded were recently challenged, over on the wikimedia commons. I suggested someone who knows better how it works explain to you how to use the "open ticket" system. I don't understand its details, but, basically, a relatively small team of volunteers answer emails, and verify, outside of public scrutiny, that individuals are who they say they are.

I think if you can try to verify, to someone on the OTRS team, that you are, or were an Albanian government official. They would then tell those in the debates on the deletion of your images that your assertion that you took them when you had the opportunity as an official was credible.

Those on the OTRS team are committed ot confidentiality. Your real world identity would not have to be made public.

I hope this helps! Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 20:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is the URL of a page that explains OTRS in more detail. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS  The first step is to send an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org.  A discussion was initiated at Commons:Deletion requests/Images of User:Gerd 72 about a week ago.  I think once you have done so an Otrs pending tag can be put on those images, which should stay any deletion attempts.


 * Thanks for uploading your very fine images. Don't hesitate to ask if there is anything else you think I can do to help.  Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I had some discussions with User:MilborneOne at User talk:MilborneOne, and on Commons:Deletion requests/Images of User:Gerd 72.


 * He or she is correct that, most likely, scans of previously published material don't fulfill the criteria for "free" -- not unless their copyright expired. But I think MilborneOne was far to hasty in their challenges to your other images based on the interpretation that you seemed to have used too many cameras.  Of the sixteen remaining images that contained "exif data" embedded by your cameras, the earliest images dated to 2003.  Ten cameras, over seven years, when you have already stated you used two cameras, and sometimes asked colleagues if you could snap a couple of shots using their cameras seems credible to me.


 * I initiated a "deletion review" at Deletion review/Log/2009 October 7.


 * Can I ask which cameras you currently own? I am quite disappointed that while MilborneOne feels free to assert that you should go to extraordinary steps to prove you took the images you said you took, he or she hasn't seen fit to state what kind of proof would be satisfactory.  Maybe if you took some new pictures of your cameras, or had some old pictures, you could upload them, and say: "This is my Canon EOS 350D, this is my Olympus 820" -- you could argue that all images taken with those cameras should be restored?


 * Many experienced contributors to the deletion discussions are quite critical of mass deletions when those mass deletions are of items of disparate types. And MilborneOne has repeatedly acknowledged that his or her big nomination for deletion was of items of disparate types.


 * I don't like MilborneOne's willingness to discount your efforts, because you didn't initiate a deletion review. Deletion reviews are very tricky for the inexperienced.  I didn't initiate one until I had over 25,000 edits under my belt.  I'll help you if you want to go that route.  As I see it you may have two possible strong arguments for arguing for having many of the images you uploaded restored: (1) if you can show images of the cameras you used you supply a strong argument that you could have taken the pictures youself; (2) if you can confidentially satisfy one of the OTRS voluneets that you had a job where you can reasonably argue you had access to Albanian military installations that would be a strong argument for restoration of the images.


 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 03:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The next step
I got your message. Greetings

The deletion of the images you uploaded, in my opinion, shows several things that can go wrong with the wikipedia deletion process. One thing that went wrong, in my opinion, is that the more experienced volunteers should have politely explained they thought was wrong with the images they nominated for deletion.

Another problem that routinely comes up in mass deletions is that this mass deletion was of dissimilar items. Many experienced participants in the deletion discussions find mass deletion of dissimilar items disruptive -- there is no good way for participants to say "keep some, delete others".

I have agreed with User:MilborneOne and User:Skier Dude that you made a mistke by claiming you could put scans you made of previously published images into the public domain. You can upload scans of previously published images, when they are old enough to have fallen into the public domain. But there is a different tag for that.

If you choose to participate in the review of whehter the deletion of File:Ilaria PB.jpg should be over-turned, my advice would be: first, to acknowledge that you made some good faith mistakes -- but that all your uploads were well-intentioned, and made compliant with your understanding of our policies; second to assure the participants in the discussion that File:Ilaria PB.jpg, and a significant portion of your uploads, did comply with our policies; third, you intend any additional uploads you make to comply with our policies.

There is a contributor named User:CambridgeBayWeather, who is a good photographer, who took a bunch of pictures of aircraft in the Arctic. His images were so good that some of them were challenged by over-hasty quality control volunteers who leaped to the conclusion that someone else, who was a professional photographer, took them. For comparison I looked, and, over the years, he had used six cameras. So the ten cameras MilborneOne said you used didn't seem that much of a jump. I checked the going rate, on eBay, for some of the cameras you used. The current price was between $10 and $20. I could see an eBay fan trying lots of cameras for relatively brief periods of time.

MilborneOne then went and checked the exif data in the deleted images, and found a total of 18 cameras. He found seven of those images were taken with a camera registered to Master Corporal David Singleton-Browne of the Canadian Armed Forces. He says the images taken by the Canadian's camera were from three separate dates.

Eighteen cameras are hard to explain. And the images taken by the Canadian's camera would be particularly hard to explain. I think you uploaded all those images in good faith, not knowing some of them wouldn't comply with our policies. And, again, I am sorry that no one made the effort to explain those policies to you.

In theory, if you leaned over to a colleague, and said, "I left my camera in the car. Would you take a couple of snapshots with your camera, and email them to me?" -- you couldn't upload those images without getting your colleague to write to an OTRS volunteer verifying you uploaded the image with their permission.

MilborneOne also said that the exif data from some of the other deleted images showed they had been modified by image manipulation programs, like abobe illustrator. They said they found it suspicious that a variety of different image manipulation programs had been used. They argued that any amateur who purchases an image manipulation program is only going to purchase one. Personally, I don't see the use of multiple image manipulation programs as proof of copyright violations.

Could you look at this list of cameras and images, and figure out which cameras were your own personal cameras, or work cameras? In particular, did you own, or have access to, a Canon EOS 350D? File:Patrol Boat Iliria.jpg, File:US_Destroyer_Nitze.jpg, and half a dozen other images that have been deleted, were taken with a Canon EOS 350D.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 18:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Any news?
has there been any news on the processing of your OTRS ticket?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

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update
Let me repeat I found all the photos you uploaded interesting. While I think your challengers did have a valid concern, that some of the images didn't comply with our rules I think they should have assumed that any mistakes you may have made were honest mistakes.

The last note on the deletion discussion over on the commons is that an OTRS ticket was opened on your images.

I am not sure what the next step should be. But I would like to encourage you to start with that OTRS to get as many as possible of your images out from the cloud of doubt.

I hope your job is going smoothly.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Project122bis-2007-Pashaliman.jpg
hi was this taken at Pashaliman shipyard? thanks mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 23:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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