User talk:Gerda Arendt/2019



Did you know ...

... that after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change shared the Nobel Peace Prize, contributing author Raymond Arritt said, "It's kind of neat: I have, like, .002 percent of a Nobel prize now"? (12 January 2019)

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2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

a time for thanks and praise

begin it with music and memories

Happy New Year
 Happy New Year! Gerda Arendt,

Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Donner60 (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 23:37, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! ... and to you, Donner60, SkyGazer 512 and Kudpung กุดผึ้ง! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:06, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 23:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Carsten Koch (musician)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Bach cantata notation
thanks for correcting me on my edit to the new year cantata article, however now seems that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis (and other articles of works with both notations) needs a clarification on that same point. 94.253.248.92 (talk) 09:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, do it, wherever you read that the traditional BWV numbers are of the past. I am busy, so can't help, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147a - when I see it in articles I watch I correct it. Today, I have several more urgent things to do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...

 * Thank you for coming over, Gareth, - Happy 2019 – a Time for thanks and praise! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Archived my user talk page
Dear Gerda,

FYI: I just have archived my user talk page. When doing it, I have seen that you had added several requests in Precious. I have put these requests chronologically in the three archive pages, so that I have now a "clean" Precious.

Have a fine beginning of 2019! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I have a corner for blushing, and that act would go there, - thank you. It happened once before, remebered well, and that was in 2012. - I did about the same, archiving all but the seasonal greetings. No year began as nicely as this one, with music all over the Main page, and Amos Oz remenbered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year!




 Gerda Arendt , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America1000 14:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.

same:
 * Hey have a very merry christmas and a very jubilant new year! Also, could you kindly assume in your mind that this comment was about two weeks ago to make it in time?  Adityavagarwal (talk) 00:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

2019
...Als festlich hoher Gruß, dem Morgen zugebracht! Many thanks and very best wishes to you too. I am still stuck in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Belcea played the Cantabile from op. 130 wonderfully at the Wigmore Hall and I haven't quite shaken off the reverie yet. Why should I want to? Eebahgum (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed ;) - Monteverdi for us next, - come 1 September, you'll like it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

New Year's
Gerda, einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr wünsche ich dir auch. (Is that word order okay?) Mach's gut! – Sca (talk) 21:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Dank, perfect word order! Just that the "gliding" happened already, so is normally not said afterwards. But I take wishes any time. Which of my calender images do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Season's Greetings, Christmas Card from 320 Ranch.jpg

This one. Cozy.

Sca (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * PS: I made a small contribution auf deutsch here. – Sca (talk) 22:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, and happy new year to you too!Zigzig20s (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and congratulations
Dear Gerda Thank you for your New Year greeting, and how appropriate to have Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht as the featured article. Your contributions here are priceless. best wishes, --Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉  22:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, so are yours, regarding Hannah Arendt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I came here to say mostly the same thing as Michael. Congratulations on starting the new year with a featured article!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 23:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

RIP Carlos
Did you see that basso buffo Carlos Feller died December 21? HandsomeMrToad (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * No, but now. Want to write an article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I thought about writing one, but I'm not sure he's sufficiently notable-- I mean by Wiki definition, being mentioned in outside sources. I've certainly been noting him for a long time but when I google him all I get is this brief notice from SlippedDisc-dot-com that he's dead, not even a real obituary.


 * https://slippedisc.com/2018/12/death-of-an-international-bass-93/


 * UPDATE If you think it would be appropriate, I can write a stub based on the german obit you posted, but it and the Slipped Disc thing would be the only sources. Let me know what you think-- should I do it?   HandsomeMrToad (talk) 08:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Grove, there must be Kutsch also, + Mainz  + Imdb + discogs + operabase + BBC  + AllMusic, go ahead with Carlos Feller. Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, will do, some time in the next few days. Please do not archive this section until I do, keep it visible here so I can access your refs and put them in.  Danke!  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh, by the way, IMDB is not considered a reliable source in Wiki, as anyone can edit IMDB; edits there are screened but not very carefully. I have been rebuked in the past for trying to use IMDB as a ref.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 10:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I archive manually, when it's about 50. After clearing all 2018 but the seasonal greetings, there's plenty of space. (And even if I archived, you could find it in the archive.)
 * (after edit conflict:) use Operabase, Allmusic and IMDb as external links, not refs, of course. Give him links, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * HandsomeMrToad, I saw Lulu and Die Frau ohne Schatten in Cologne, so may have seen him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's Kutsch. All you need. Look at Marianne Schech for the ref and just check the page number. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, it's up. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's great. Will look, - he should go to DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Au hasard Balthazar
Atheist or not, this is a perfect rendition of spirituality. It's better understood if one has already seen the movie. Hint: The donkey is a Saint. Best wishes for 2019. LouisAlain (talk) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy 2019
Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place.

I'm not sure that we worked together on any articles in 2018, but we have in the past. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gert Westphal
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Weihnachtslieder, Op. 8 (Cornelius)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Symphony No. 2 (Sibelius)
Sorry, intended removing the second link to Rapallo (there's generally no need to provide more than one link to the same article).


 * In a long article, it's typically linked both in the lead and the first occurence in the body, in a very long article even more often, to benefit readers who may want to read a specific section only, such as a composer's works, skipping his life. - Very generally: there are bigger problems than a link too many ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Introduction, Passacaglia and Fugue
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Raymond Arritt
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:01, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the good news, Panyd, and good to see your name again. I wanted this hook for 1 January, including its good resolutions, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, by the line - which brought him to my attention - that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? Happy New Year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Takenori Nemoto
Thanks for adding a link on this page but actually it was just a stub I made when the ref. war raged and I realised the ref in the French Wiki were all dead. I don't fight uphill battles and I agree with Postcard Cathy who proposes deletion. As such this page isn't worthy Wikipedia unless someone translates the Japanese original. I don't feel like spending hours on a page that will ultimately be jettisoned.

In the meantime you may be interested in Virginia Naumann-Gungl. LouisAlain (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It's never diffilcult to check out discogs artist, and when it has a result, add it. Too bad that we think someone is not notable just because we don't read Japanese. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It never diffilcult to check out discogs artist, and when it has a result, add it. Too bad that we think someone is not notable just because we don't read Japanese. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

>> Do not be afraid or be discourage. Have some fun and play their game. I learn a lot from those challenges. SWP13 (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words of encouragement SWP13 and kudos for the work you added on this page. Even Jesus had his moments of doubt and faith after all. LouisAlain (talk) 23:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gerda Arendt, You're a music fan, right? I have attempted to bring life back for Takenori Nemoto. Took me a few hours but worth it. Please visit his wikipedia and do what you wish to make it better. Cheers! SWP13 (talk) 20:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That looks much better, thank you for your hours, but we'll need better sources than his own website and IMDb. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take the time to hunt up some sources. I've taken a quick scan of his name in Japanese in Google News—he gets enough mentions, but I'm not sure the sources I've found would establish notability.  I'll try some other avenues ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm really not having any luck. I found a PDF interview from 2001 that looks promising, but I can't access it.  Other than that, all the sources I've found are brief mentions. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:03, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

>>Hello Gerda Arendt and, I added some more items a while back. As of today, the deletion tag has been removed. Nemoto is saved! SWP13 (talk) 09:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)


 * SWP13, thanks for your dedication to this page. I've added some links and refs. LouisAlain (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Dr. Tibor Kováč
I was for some reason looking at him, oh yes, to see if he was included in the List of suicides (no) and then discovered that you had been working on him, maybe for a “Did you know?” nomination. Wikipedia lists his death as being in 1952, but the reference given does not include the date. Elsewhere, in a probably unacceptable genealogy web site I found the date 1956 and it was suggested that he and his wife, who committed suicide with him, did it because of the failed revolt that year, (Hungary) which makes sense to me. Anyway, I am looking for more information about when and how they killed themselves, but you might wish to look at this too. Or not. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I think I reviewed it for DYK, but didn't find that problem. Will look when I have time, but am busy. Improving Theo Adam who died. Needs referencing! Any help welcome, watchers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Request
Gerda, could you please help me with my talk page? Ever since your 2019 post, I haven't been able to get back to standard WP type size – as you can see from my reply with the Beatles link. Thanks.

Apropos, will it redeem my cultural standing when I tell you I'm reading a new, 700-page biography of Chopin? It's very detailed, but interesting enough to hold my attention. Alas, the numerous musical scores it contains are, uh, Greek to me. Sca (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Your page: it happens in the thread "Merry Christmas Sca", but I don't know what happens exactly, - both font and size are changed, for the rest of the page. Strange html with unmatched brackets, if you ask me. Talk to that user? Discard? - Happy Chopin! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you know Chopin's father was French, but emigrated to Poland? His name was Nicolas, Polonized into Mikołaj (Mee-koh'-wye). And then of course Frédéric (Fryderyk) emigrated to France. Cześć! (Cheshch). – Sca (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, I like a good mystery. I'm going to take a look at it & try to figure out what is going on. Shearonink (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * - It looks fixed now. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

2019
Ebenso. Mach weiter so! Gruß. x Bermicourt (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bieling Architekten
– Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

You're funny!
Hi Gerda Arendt, A funny thing happened this morning. You thanked me for updating my user page. LOL! You've made my day wonderful. Yes, I added the infobox purpose link just in case someone asks me why I keep doing those boxes. SWP13 (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * SWP13, I can't do them, so am happy if others do ;) - I thank a lot, DYK? I even made thanks a main topic for this year. It's good for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Schicchi
I didn't know other Wikipedias were not trusted sources since I've seen references for using translated materials. More interesting to me is the difference between the two Schicchi images: same costume, but one is sly and sleek, the other cheerfully spry and clownish. Thank you anyway. Cheers! Shir-El too  20:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

PS as you love music, suggest you look up "BIRD SONG OPERA" - and have a Good Year! Shir-El too  20:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Shir-El too, translating is fine, but it needs references. Translate an article without coverting them to inline citations, and you get into trouble, - just ask LouisAlain. The police is more after new articles than established ones, but Gianni Schicchi is a featured article = highest quality class. The Italian Wikipedia should have an independent source that can be used, instead of citing only that Wikipedia. And if not, you can hopefully find one ;) - Thank you for the bird song opera! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Adding: the topic "infobox" is hot, - I won't know why. I try to stay away, and recommend to avoid discussions. You will hear the same things again and again. My thoughts were written in 2013: help those who don't read English so well, are vision-impaired, need a certain information fast, - it doesn't hurt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

music and memories

Never too late to wish someone a Happy anything. I am looking for a time & a place of honor for the sapphire. Thank you again. X1\ (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Pinging from certain noms
Please don't ping me or talk about me at certain noms when I can't respond there, it's not exactly fair. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I will try to observe, but don't want to talk behind your back. Where could we have a discussion about the claim for extra references for things clearly documented in Authority control, all these published books and recordings? - The ping was for information only, was that not clear? - We talk about Eugène de Mirecourt, with an unresolved history of DYK nom and ERRORS. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Nope, banned from all such discussion by Arbcom, so please don't talk about me behind my back or ping me about these sorts of things in the future, I can't help beyond at WP:TRM. I nearly responded to your ping, but just about before pressing "Publish" I realised that I would get an instant two-day block for such a thing.  That's Arbcom's wisdom.  The Rambling Man (talk) 12:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You said nope to what. To that I'll try to observe? To that authority control could be a reference for published works? - Don't tell me about arbcom's wisdom, please. I was adminished and restricted for having added too many infoboxes to Kafka's stories and to operas (or for what?). Arbcom translates to kafkaesque to me all the time, unless they listen to Opabinia regalis ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * No, most of the absurdity came from that very Arb. I am banned from discussing anything relating to your original ping anywhere except WP:TRM.  That is the wisdom of Arbcom. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear that, - you will hopefully understand that I don't study arbitration things unless I have to. An arb voted to ban a friend based on a diff showing that he had uncollapsed an infobox in an article I had written. I don't think we can get much more absurd than that. Read the ultimate guide, last section "After the case": "Criticizing the decision after it has been made is pointless." And then stop talking about arbcom for 6 months ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Several people were criticising the decision while it was being made and while the wording was being changed during voting. But hey ho, just means I can't help out those who have numerously asked me since that "decision".  Bravo.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Exactly as in the case I know best. Several people criticised the decision while it was made. I try to forget it, don't remind me if you can. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Gerda. It's really, alt account, don't ask! Whilst trying and slightly-failing to take a break I have done one good thing on-wiki – please see a lovely new photo of Emanuel Hurwitz that I just added a day or two back. Well when I say new, I mean yes obviously Manny died 12+ years ago so new to the article! But I do feel it's nice to have. It's not even a good photo technically but I do like what it captures. Thanks for the messages – I have emailed you in Real Life or what I like to think of as somewhat related thereto. Cheers DBaK-photo (talk) 21:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing. Reminds me of my earliest days on Wikipedia, when I filled the red link for a friend whose father was a member of the Melos Ensemble, and then created some more about other members, receiving nice comments from their relatives (the violist and an oboist). Hurwitz, however, had an article already, so I didn't touch that much. Today I'm expanding a hymn, and what do I read in one of promising sources? My older version of the article ;) - It's in honour of my dad for whose funeral we sang it, as for weddings in the family. He died some 15 January, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Johann Georg Reißmüller
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:02, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
I wasn't aware of the choir infobox, thanks for updating it. I also added it to my other article, Tucson Arizona Boys Chorus. Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. It has it's goodies, such as saying "Choir" (while some fancy names could be anything), but also flaws such as no image_upright parameter, nothing for founder etc, - infobox orchestra is a bit better. Instead of complaining, I should probably do something about it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Would you like....
Hi Gerda. Off-topic, not Wiki-related: Do you like Wagner? Would you like a YouTube link to an AMAZING performance of Das Rheingold? I don't want to violate the rules by using your TALK page for non-wikipedia stuff, but this might really merit an exception, so I'll give you a link if you like. Just ask.... HandsomeMrToad (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You could - to avoid violations - just put the id here, or a title Google would find, like the above Song Birds Opera. I love the works beginning better than the rest ;) - wrote the articles on two of the first Bayreuth Rhine Maidens last year, DYK? - Did you see that there's now a lot about Feller in German? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The first scene is OK, but it really picks up starting on the mountaintop. The way the conductor responds to the drama, and the vocalists are really fine.


 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPz9gGnj2G8&t=1530s


 * Enjoy. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 23:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Cow, rails and factories
Dear Gerda, following your recommendations, I added a section on the talk page Talk:World War II looting of Poland. PrecisePlatypus (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Henri Hinrichsen
– Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, - couldn't believe he had no article yet. It's only a translation, in my Reger series, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Psalm 75
Hi, I see you're adding to Psalm 75. Hope we have enough to come up with a DYK. You can use this QPQ for the nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/190th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line). Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! We had enough before. Give me a day or two for polishing, and perhaps find more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for F. W. Bernstein
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:01, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Thank you for the warm welcome, Gerda. Also thanks for the links. The Guardian quote had a source, but I added sources for the quote from the BBC Music Awards in 2006, as best as I could find.ChicagoObserver (talk) 01:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ChicagoObserver, you are welcome, and thank you for coming over! Look around, and happy editing! If you have questions, best ask on your talk, I am watching. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Marianne Schech
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Kudos to you Gerda for rescuing a page that was on the verge of deletion. Goes to show... LouisAlain (talk) 04:11, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * My pleasure! Boleyn, is it ok now? - Proud also of the one above who wasn't good enough for Recent deaths. Caricatura for him ;) - More rescue under way. Can you update Genia a bit? The old facts are not in the sources, but the sources have new facts. I hear that surf pictured above ;) - Can you add something from a French review about Zuzana. Please something not mentioning how deeply cut her costumes are? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking good, Gerda. Boleyn (talk) 08:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Boleyn. When you see an opera singer performing before 2004, the Kutsch Riemens book will have something, - you can just go to the book and search for the one by last name comma first name ;) - If only all searches for sources were that easy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Bardenhewer
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

List of compositions by Anton Bruckner
Dear Gerda,

FYI, I just have updated the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner according to the last update of Bruckner Online - Werkverzeichnis. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:35, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Martin Evans
Have you seen what's happening here? Martin Evans has been blocked for one month! I'm all with him of course. LouisAlain (talk) 17:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen, just arrived home after a day of travel. Nothing new, sadly, see above, "rejected", - have a few things to do before I can look, such as make dinner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Floq and Diannaa came to the rescue, for the curious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks...
...for your kind words. GiantSnowman 08:52, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You are welcome, - I have a box for the rejected above, and hope it will stay short this year, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness
I just wanted to thank you for all you do on Wikipedia. I don't really understand why people get so up in arms about things. In the end, I think most users are here to contribute, and people need to let things go, and focus on not getting overly angry. My personal philosophy is that if it's something I really care about enough to make me angry on Wikipedia, it's something I shouldn't be editing; if I feel tempted to attack another editor, I simply leave the site until I am calmer. Anyways just wanted to say, if you ever want help with awards and stuff, let me know-- I have a lot of free time. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Lovely, Eddie, thanks for the encouragement. Just the other day, I said when someone really annoyed me (on the German Wikipedia) that life is too short to get angry over it. (I still think it was unfair, though.) Sure, you can help me with awards. You can look today (because I have no specific one in mind) if someone deserves Precious, check if they already got it, then please no ;) - Then you look at their contributions, from when to when, articles, especially of higher quality, something nice they said, helpful they did, - and word something, put in the template you can find on the talk. Then add it to the archive (Recent), saying by you. Want to start with something more mechanical? Do the 10 year anniversaries. In 2009, three people gave "Awesome" awards, Rlevse began in 2008, Bibliomaniac15 in January, and Dylan620 in March. So typically, 2–3 people could be given the template which you can also find on the talk. I did it for today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * After looking around I think that user:zawed is deserving, and hasn't gotten it yet... let me know what you think and I'll word the template Eddie891 Talk Work 14:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Good choice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Will be up at their talk page momentarily- feel free to ce. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I did, to match style: no link in header, one sentence, avoid repetition. - I try to make a header so that I when looking in a year, will remember, - your's - cute as it is - told me nothing, sorry ;) - You may want to look at User:Kasuga for tomorrow, awesome ten years ago but not yet precious, while the 2 authors of tomorrow's TFA have it already, - that's where I look first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Eddie, I looked: the present Kasuga joined only 2015. Find out if s/he was the same as 2009, or find someone else ;) - Today also requests moving last month to the bottom. I am quite busy today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The Kasuga from 2015 is now Kasuga~enwiki. I will try and get to it but might only be available at around 2:00 EST (7:00 UTC) Eddie891 Talk Work 11:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Done- You can ce if you feel the urge... I think User:animalparty could be a possible recipient to come... Eddie891 Talk Work 21:51, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I try to be a little longer, but never mind for a user who left ... - I try to add the user name in the edit summary, in case I eventually want to find an edit in the history, but of course we can simply go by date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Good choice, the animal party. Can go tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * sounds good! Eddie891 Talk Work 23:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Eddie891, perhaps Mike Searson today, 10 years awesome, several FAs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Mike Searson done Eddie891 Talk Work 13:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Would you like to join me in keeping the lights on WP:TRM for 48 hours here while TRM is blocked? it just is looking for errors in the main page, and the readers will thank you (even if they don't know it). Don't feel like it you need to. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but. Firstly, sad about the block (but saw it coming). Secondly, extra sad because I came to celebrate a birthday, Mendelssohn, on said Main page, will sing two of his pieces (clever choice by Roman Twardy for his debut), want to write an article on at least one, so: little time. It's on my watch anyway, - I'll do what I can. Block noted in the sad box above. What did I write about collegues just a little below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Could Chris G be today? Eddie891 Talk Work 13:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes! Could you do the 10 years also, please. Just copy from the talk, and change the link for the Bibliomaniac one. Busy ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , sorry, got a bit caught up, but I did the precious-- see you did the 10 years Eddie891 Talk Work 22:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! No sorry needed, - it's all voluntarily. I almost did it myself, but see that Chris G was little active recently. Had enough other things. Singing was called a "good premiere". I should eventually update the choir's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I won't be able to get to award anything today... too busy with real life :( Eddie891 Talk Work 21:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Same for me, birthday concert above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I did one, so late that it fell on 5 Feb. Want to do Pedro? 10 years today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I did it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't realize that it could be awarded twice a day if necessary... I can get tomorrow in approx. 50 minutes from now when it is Feb 6 Eddie891 Talk Work 23:09, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No tough rules ;) - I gave two a day by mistake, or in this case on purpose, and there are months with only few. As you like it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * just letting you know that I added Ray's Rules to my userpage -- Not something I do often at all, but I completely agree with them... Eddie891 Talk Work 23:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I like that! - Shoemaker's Holiday for 6 Feb suggested, TFA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Will do... A shame they had to leave in 2010 :( Eddie891 Talk Work 23:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, along with the 10 years today Eddie891 Talk Work 00:16, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did 10 years ago today. SandyGeorgia archived theirs so quickly that you did it as well yesterday :) Do you have anybody in mind, or could I squeeze animalparty in today? Eddie891 Talk Work 00:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yours is good for today. SG was part of what we opposed, I should have checked the history and not have templated her a third time. Understandibly, her view on TFA development is different, as she just xpressed on her talk. I have no problem giving the 10 years reminder to people who were decorated before I even joined Wikipedia. As for giving precious myself, I avoid(ed) people who supported here, - but rarely look anymore, and not strictly. If you look at our sad list, the key word is letting go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for today's 10s. For the Bibliomaniac archive, please change the link to "Bibliomaniac, 2009", - it would be hard to find in the other's archive, on top of the other being an unwanted editor for many. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * And it's my own, sort of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Lenticel 10 y deservs, but I will do Aude for the TFA today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * maybe DannyS712 sometime soon? relatively new user, already great work particularly on scripts Eddie891 Talk Work 20:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * could be tomorrow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ryan Postlethwaite one of these days, and Hughesdarren --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * how about ColinFine sometime? Eddie891 Talk Work 00:23, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * good choice, peace studies! - for today I have someone in mind (after the next DYK set), and tomorrow, I haven't checked yet. - March: prefer women, and people who write about women and their work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * nothing specific today from me, go ahead if you like --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Motet
vide und liebe Grüße aus bayerisch Sibirien. --Ἀστερίσκος (talk) 19:51, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, expecting guests from there, hope they'll make it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * They did! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Günter Krämer
Bravo for your interventions on this one but don't put yourself in harms way. There are some happy triggers around here. I'm sorry to cause you so many troubles. LouisAlain (talk) 21:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That last one wasn't caused by you, but someone who didn't look for a moment at the content, only at "no reference". You could do me a favour: when you see an article with all these details a loving fan thinks are neccessary, summarize brutally, and only what can be sourced, for a first step. Ute Vinzing was the first example, and Krämer will not be the last. - I've been through the hell of arbitration enforcement, nothing can frighten me any more. Did you know that Martin just sat his last block out, so did Joe with his last ban, - only I will not understand what good it should do to block and ban content editors. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It has a whiff of Überwachen und Strafen in it. LouisAlain (talk) 04:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * ... and the problem is that it's people who should be equal and colleages who do it. When missing any references, instead of writing a note, they could simply find and add one. Too practical? Less feeling of superiority? "Baking a cake is an act of love" - adding a ref the same. Do it often! (I mean everybody reading this, please.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Carlos Feller
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Duckefett
Hey, Gerda! I happened across this stub and wondered if you might be able to help with the citation requested since 2012 -- that duckefett is considered poor man's food/peasant food? I searched for something but couldn't find anything that looked helpful valereee (talk) 18:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, never even heard of it, living in Hesse ... - not even notable, imho, - is there any link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing, really...I came up with recipes, but not much more. And you're in Hesse, which is where it's supposed to be from! Interesting. Perhaps AfD? Here is the link they gave to a regional wiki? regional wikivalereee (talk) 21:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's written in dialect, - anyway, it's a very simple thing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ps: The picture on my user page is from Hesse --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The sunrise picture? That's beautiful! I've nom'd Duckefett for deletion, which makes me sad lol I'm always interested in poverty foods valereee (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The sunrise? No, no dunes in Idstein ;) - The next. You see the history of the sunrise if you click on Reformation below it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * valereee, it was first used . Seems like yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 96
Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The Sustainability Initiative
Hello : An invitation for you to check out the Sustainability Initiative, which aims to reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia projects. If you're interested, please consider adding your name to the list of supporters, which serves to express and denote the community's support of the initiative. Thanks for your consideration! North America1000 10:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Hans Pfitzner
Dear Gerda, da Du ja ein richtiger Musik-hack bist, würde ich mich freuen wenn Du mal etwas über den o.g. Komponisten schreiben würdest, dort gib es - nach m.E. - auch zwei etwas divergierende Traditionslinien der Sichtweise zu ihm. Vorab herzlichen Dank, sagt garnicht weit von Dir [carpediem192931]Carpediem192931 (talk) 14:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have more things I want to do than I can handle, - I like Palestrina, but that's about it for Hans Pfitzner. Please, no links in headers, and better speak English for those who watch, or ask on the German Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Dohmen
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, appreciated! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Looking for help
Hi,

I was looking for some small help. I created a new article en:Kithaab-a play about women rights issues- which has been copy edited and is ready for translation in various languages. Looking for your possible help in translating the article en:Kithaab to your language. If you are unable to spare time yourself then may be you like to refer the same to some other translator.

Thanking you, with warm regards

Bookku (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking, but no, - more on my to-do-list than I can handle. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

John Hutchison
I just thought you might be amused to hear this. In the article, as far as I know, I have said nothing that cannot be verified. However it's often great fun to include here and there parts of a set of verifiable elements which, put together, can beg a question. It's part of the fun of keeping very carefully to WP rules, I think. You may have noticed that I've juxtaposed images of the patron Fraser and the student Hutchison. Fraser spent years rebuilding his house, and paid for Hutchison to go to Rome - one paper said that J.H. studied there for three years. The great mystery about Hutchison for me has been that although his life was in the papers a lot, his parentage was never mentioned - except in one obit. which said his father was "a builder" in Edinburgh. Storye book (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. - The youth of historic people often remains a mystery. Today's TFA has nothing until age 20. The article I am improving, Alfred Jerger, mentions no year until he starts work. - I made some comments about DYK's rather recent quest to have every fact verifyable on the nom of Ildikó Raimondi. In the old days, only contentious facts needed a source ;) - I looked at Sophie Karthäuser today, which had translated facts about her youth, but all recent bios begin when she was noticed internationally. Thank goodness one of the smaller concert agents never updated, so I found a source for her beginnings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Goldberg Variations (play)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Wachet auf
Enjoy – Sca (talk) 03:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sca, how nice to wake up to so much rhythm! Thank you! But - see above - the perfect piece for today would have been Goldberg Variations, while tomorrow will be a Kempf day ;) - please come back then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, your Kempf has only one f. Also, Mein Kempff ist besser. Ha. – Sca (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the first records I ever bought (many years ago) was a DG album of Kempff playing Beethoven sonatas. His photo on the album jacket looked so quintessentially German. I still have it – somewhere in a box in the garage. It's quite worn. Sca (talk) 13:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Lovely! One of the first record in our house was Beethoven's First Piano Concerto, played by Friedrich Gulda. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If Gulda was Austrian did he insist on playing a Bösendorfer rather than a mere Steinway? Sca (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I heard Richter play his Yamaha. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure about my first records bought, likely Il trittico, because of Gianni Schicchi, with Renata Tebaldi in all 3 parts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The only famous classical musician I ever heard was Segovia; he was wonderful – without any amplification at all. Sca (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Tallis
I am sorry for adding an overlink, I did not realize it linked only to choir. I don't think this link was very useful. I am looking for a separate example on the English sacral music of this period, but I do not know any examples other then Tallis to create one. I learned a lot about Tallis and the political context of his music from reading this article. Thank you for editors for their work on this excellent article.Agamede (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem at all, - there should be an article for English choral music. Want to write it? Nice to meet you! - Tallis: I'm also just a reader, hope the authors watch here. You could put your thanks on the article talk page, to reach more of them. I only wrote If Ye Love Me and couldn't believe it wasn't yet covered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Nun bitten wir den heiligen Geist
This is the version I am listing to. The way the choral voices come in...wow. Ceoil (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing, - the choral Kyrie is extra, of course. Nite. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Morning. Ping when there has been more work and a further review would help. Ceoil  (talk) 08:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ceoil, yes, I will, but ... -Today, besides real life, I want to expand the boys' choir that the bishop founded who introduced "spiritual discourse and open dialogue" in his diocese (which is where I live). "spiritual" = "geistlich" is a difficult word, in German not the same as "spirituell", while "Geist" means "spirit" or "(Holy) Spirit", and "inspired" is close. Then we have the biographies which (blocked) LouisAlain started (blocked because he tried to help me, but admittedly in a way seen as disruptive, and what can I say? AGF is sometimes in short supply, as we already know), and the articles need copyediting and referencing before going to DYK (and some were sent to draft space). Then (probably also not today) I'd like to expand the article of a great singer whom I heard yeaterday, Christopher Maltman. I also want to finish the Rossini-PR. I'll see when I'll get to what I want to do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * He he, know the feeling...so many articles and interests and so little time, and priorities change day to day. I always like reviewing your pages as it means new music, so whatever:) No pressure or rush Gerda. Ceoil  (talk) 09:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Feel understood ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ceoil, and then Tomi Ungerer died, and I changed all my plans ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems like he was an interesting man. New to me. Ceoil  (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ceoil, he made the many illustrations for Das große Liederbuch, the great songbook (really!), which I recommend to everybody who wants to introduce a (German-speaking) child to music. Now Hans Stadlmair dies whom I met and whose article I began, in 2011, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Very evocative indeed...only got around to properly looking this morning, not been a great week :( You are giving coverage to a great many significant artists and works that otherwise wouldn't be covered on an English language wiki. I hope you know people see and understand this. Ceoil  (talk) 12:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for saying that. I just wish I'd "catch" them before they died. For those "recent deaths", typically I did nothing but add references. I saw another one on the list of nominations, but it's just too far from my knowledge, and a problem of an article, flowery prose, practically no lead, way to poor referencing ... Peter Tork. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * St Fin Barre's main page splash turned out to be quite stressful, esp as I was on holiday and could only bear to peak on phone rather than really edit, but was glad that the Pärt article went well. Kudos. Ceoil  (talk) 06:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Ceoil, to hear about the stress. I watched some exchanges that day. - Listen to Tim's and PumpkinSky's recommendation the two other times scheduled: not even look the day and rely on your friends to fix it. (Sorry about Easter, my fault: some dark helmet was chosen, and I asked for something a bit more lively ...) I watch the TFA every day, regardless of who wrote it. I noticed that the topic of accessibility came up, for St Fin Barre about images, and I explained that its a word from a foreign language for some FA writers ;) - If I learned one thing here it's patience. - We are alive, Jörg Streli is not, so let's be thankful for what he did and we can do. Distant family, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Wilhelm Kempf (bishop)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Well done, Gerda, and thank you for the encouragement. You are a star! Bermicourt (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Now we should introduce open dialogue to Wikipedia ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Psalms
Psalm 93: OK, I finished my expansion. In the lead, I wasn't sure about the words it's known by in the KJV, or its Latin title. If you like the image, I could ask someone to enlarge the plaque. Best, Yoninah (talk) 00:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, will do my share ;) - The first thing should always be the English, on the English Wikipedia, to tell people they arreived at the right one, because some will know Psalm 93 as what for us is Psalm 94. (I confess that in a few cases when we list a composition which only gives a number, I wasn't even sure.) The immage is fine, not overly majestic, and I think we need some wall for context, and a translation of at least part, - people seeing it will not yet know what a verse says, - + sometimes even the verse numbering is not the same. - I make this the header for our psalm conversations, trying to limit entries on this talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * (page stalking again) The Latin seems to be "Dominus regnavit, decorem indutus est". See and .--Ipigott (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I see the article identifies it as a royal psalm but it is not included in the wiki article although it is identified as such here.
 * Don't think "Dominus regnavit" is sufficient, cf Psalm 99.--Ipigott (talk) 12:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "Dixit dominus", "Dominus regnavit", "Miserere", thats what they are known by. The link has the complete Latin text. Don't know about the royal psalms ... - thanks for helping! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, see it's ambiguous, will add. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, help please, we have Royal psalms here, and the statement that psalms 93 to 99 are the Royal Psalms there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll look into it. BTW when you're ready to nominate for DYK, here's a QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/David Johnson (photographer). Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I added Psalms 93-99 as royal psalms to that article, with refs. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Reminder: we have to nominate Psalm 93 by Sunday. Yoninah (talk) 11:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ildikó Raimondi
– Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, LouisAlain! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for all the kind words on my talk page! It's exciting to see all that old work get recognized even nowadays. I can't believe it's been 12 years since I was sitting with my laptop on my kitchen table trying to conquer the world, haha. Tempus fugit! &mdash;Deckiller (t-c-l) 02:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Deckiller, thank you for coming over! I remember my first editing, filling a red link and thinking that would be the one and only article, only then it came with a red link for Siegfried Palm, - I couldn't believe he had no article, and ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thought of dropping by and saying thanks as well. I used to be quite obsessed with editing until things in RL started getting a bit rough (hopefully things will change for the better). The precious messages reminds me of the cool things I've achieved in the past - there are numerous websites that currently uses images, diagrams, and information which I contributed on wiki, on their websites - mostly about renewable energy. Your periodic messages keeps boosting my motivation to return to full swing as soon as I am able to. Thank you, Gerda. Reh man  13:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Great to hear that, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Four Award
Long overdue recognition. Congratulations. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you going to nominate Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht, BWV 134a for a Four Award as well? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but not right now, and several others before that one. Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Mendelssohn as prodigy
(I'm sorry, I don't know the right place to "discuss" this.) I recently put Felix Mendelssohn's reputation as a prodigy into the lead paragraph of his Wikipedia article. Then I saw that my edit was reverted and it was YOU who reverted me! I was amused and rather pleased to find that it was you, as it means our paths crossed again -- we have similar interests, and you have been a kind correspondent. I only dabble in Wikipedia editing, but you contribute so very much!

Your reason for reverting was that the lead should be a summary. So, I moved my "offending" material into a lower part of the piece, down in the weeds, so to speak.

I submit to your reversion, knowing you are an experienced editor. However, I would like to suggest that Mendelssohn's prodigy-ness may truly be worthy of being in the lead. Searching for support, I found the Oxford University Grove Dictionary of Music. Here is how it begins:


 * Mendelssohn(-Bartholdy), ( Jacob Ludwig ) Felix ( b Hamburg, Feb 3, 1809 ; d Leipzig , Nov 4, 1847 ). German composer . One of the most gifted and versatile prodigies, Mendelssohn stood at the forefront of German music during the 1830s and 40s, as conductor, pianist, organist and, above all, composer. His musical style, fully developed before he was 20, drew upon a variety of influences, including the complex chromatic counterpoint of Bach, the formal clarity and gracefulness of Mozart and the dramatic power of Beethoven and Weber.

In other words, his prodiy-ness is the FIRST thing mentioned after the simple fact/phrase that he was a German composer.

Maybe at some point we could reconsider putting such a comment into the lead paragraph about Felix?David Couch (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your inquiry, and short answer: the right place to discuss this is the article talk page. A bit longer answer: I reverted on simply formal grounds, had nothing to with the "fact" and its mentioning in the lead. Any lead should ideally be a summary of sourced information in the body. Even more so if - as in this case - the article is a featured article, so passed a community reviewing process. I have no time for a long answer ;) - So please copy the concern to the article talk, and Smerus is the editor who did most for the article recently. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Durham DYK
Hi Gerda -- Thanks for your suggestions on this. I'm rushed off my feet now until the weekend, but I'll get back to it then, hopefully with some more attention-piquing suggestions. (I never know what people will read -- the really popular hooks are those on sport or pop culture that don't appeal to me one iota.) I think it's a really interesting topic, and I have some thoughts of pushing this towards Good article, perhaps, in the longer term. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and have a happy weekend! Would you have any way to use the incipit instead, or in addition to the awfully short Durham? The first step to more attention. I try that for psalms, because Psalm 93 says nothing about the content. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Megan Marie Hart
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, OrestesLebt

Four Award
And another one, this is very impressive. Do you realise that you are probably eligible for several Triple Crowns as well? Keep them coming. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think crowns would be becoming ;) - Mourning becomes ... - see all these people above who recently died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Siegfried Geißler
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:28, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

List of compositions for horn usw
You might be interested in participating in the open discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music.

IMO that whole broad subject-area is a mess, and could do with a radical shake-up and standardisation. The discussion has been poorly attended so far. I am not WP:CANVASSing, I will respect whatever you might say. Narky Blert (talk) 23:11, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Seen, but reluctant. As long as we say he composed Flute Sonata No. 3, but she played a flute sonata, all doors are open. We have so strange redirects, met today Lord Have Mercy and Lord, Have Mercy on Us, and made Lord, have mercy. Mercy needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Music conductors
Hi Gerda Arendt, I noticed that some music conductors don't have a subcategory in WikiProject Biography. I think musician-work-group=yes is appropriate using examples such as Colin Davis and Paul Daniel. I wanted to get your confirmation before I start inserting that to people listed at Category:Women conductors (music). SWP13 (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * SWP13, please ask project Classical nusic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * >>I will do that. Thanks.SWP13 (talk) 16:41, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Heinz Henschel
Gerda, I recently created the biography for Heinz Henschel, and I thought you might want to read. If you want to see the DYK nomination, it is here: Template:Did you know nominations/Heinz Henschel. Tschüß! Flibirigit (talk) 18:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will look when I need the next qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Elliott Galkin
Hello. You may find this interesting: Elliott Galkin.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Leipziger Universitätschor
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for David Timm
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

200 DYK nominations

 * Thank you! Collaboration is the secret for success here, and I am happy that more of my 2019 topics were done with others, such as opera singers with LouisAlain, and the psalms with you, among many others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Chanson d'amour
"shapeless, formless, unformed, unshaped, structureless, unstructured, indeterminate, indefinite, vague, nebulous" ? I have never seen or heard a romantic relationship, or any relationship, described as "amorphous." You've seen such? I have always understood its non-science def this way:

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/amorphous

DonFB (talk) 09:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen it but it looks as meant that way, "structureless", "vague". I had no time to look if that is sourced ;) - Thank you for caring! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, there's this description


 * https://www.neueluxury.com/feature/karl-lagerfeld/


 * ...but it's not about their relationship; rather, it refers to accounts of their relationship. The word first appeared in an edit by user Williamsdoritios, who, I theorize, based on his style in this and other contributions, might not be a native English speaker. But even if he is, the word is out of place. DonFB (talk) 10:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Understand, reverted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Merci buttercups. Let's see if it sticks (or stays unstuck, rather). DonFB (talk) 10:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello Gerda - I've only just seen the message you left for me last month. Just wanted to say thank you very much - no, not too late at all, if anything I was rather late in seeing it :D Hope you're doing well, and all the best. Patient Zerotalk 12:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, as you said, never too late. I am well but people around me die. I hope you didn't miss the smile which was on top but is now further down (12 Jan), and his rules, - quite a legacy. Yesterday I began an article because another one died, and - halleluja - found an obituary today. Makes it easier, less of a puzzle. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Four Award

 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Genia Kühmeier
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello!
If you're interested, I'd appreciate you input here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:40, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I am interested, but try to stay away. If it's urgent, ask here, please ;) - Friday is rehearsal day. (Monday also.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If I come up with a way to describe this topic as urgent, I will tell you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Germany, re
Hi Gerda, thank you for your message. I totally understand your objection as well as why you pipelink locations like that. I am retyping this for the third time after crashes so please excuse me if this is shorter than I wanted...

Of course when it comes to the Third Reich and similar states there is a tense urge to not associate the man with that place. However my editing philosophy, keeping in my mind I mainly am interested in the medieval Era and I have only been protested for this once before and recently, is to be succinct and neutral in the infobox by listing the de facto state of the birth and death places. I believe this should be applied universally, barring the most exceptional anomalies, in the name of NPOV as well as the educational ethos of the Wiki.

If a man was born in 1816 in the dead end of the existence of the County of Kladsko, it would be a disservice and a withholding of information to just state he was born in what is now the Czech Republic (although this can be noted in parentheses). Or a medieval Irish saint, if the location is known for certain that particular petty kingdom/tribe the saint was born in in his village should be stated, and not just "Ireland".

Please keep in mind that a woefully large number of casual readers just look at the info box and lede and little else. I just want to provide sufficient, realistic and neutral information with all in mind even if that is in the face of controversy, lest we censor and decide what information should be withheld even if hidden in plain sight. I of course once shared your view of linking places like that, but even in the case of this I believe it ought to be that way. As for the name...well, I would normally abide by WP:COMMONNAME. Best wishes.- ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk)</b> 23:49, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * User:Sigehelmus I understand your points and appreciate the time you took to explain. As I said, I normally only add a place, - it's typically others who add "Germany", and still others who make it let's say "East Germany", and then I pipe that, because East Germany is not understood as "eastern Germany" (location) but as a political entity. A person's passport will not have East Germany. - Secondly, some readers - as you point out - will just read the infobox, and stamp the person "Nazi", who was 7 when it was over. - For abiding to common name and house style, see just below ;) - and as there, no question of life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

..... sofferte onde serene ...
Hi, Gerda Arendt. Do you think there is a way of getting this across? Jerome insists on being fussy about the title, and I haven't been involved in an edit war in years, so I don't even know if my position is reasonable. While spacing may be dependent on the author's handwriting, the Luigi Nono Foundation is the institution in charge of curating Nono's output, so I think we should be following them. Do you think I should drop it here? Ron Oliver (talk) 06:52, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Ron Oliver, waking up to this, so just thought bits. I hate it when Wikipedia lets house style win over a composer's wish for a title. I fought for A Boy was Born vs. A Boy Was Born. I lost the fight for the move, but it's mentioned as the composer named it once in the article (but the image showing the printed work was not tolerated there), and in all occurrences in other articles. We could do the same here, I tried but was reverted. We should have the composer's-form bolded in the lead, because it's a redirect. --- I don't want to fight with Michael and Jerome, who are editors nos. 3 and 5 I met here, almost ten years ago, and who helped me often, which makes this even harder for me than with users I don't know. I suggest YOU initiate discussion, on the talk page, and/or on Classical music, and/or naming articles. Nutshell: If we present an article differently from the composer's wishes, it's original research, and if we don't even show the composer's version, we ignore a vital fact. I rather suggest we ignore a few rules if they lead to such a thing. A Boy was Born (written on the composers 100th birthday) ruined that Christmas for me (but was on DYK on Christmas Day in the "right" form, because I refused to show it to the world any other). --- I think "... sofferte onde serene ..." suggests a symmetry that looks wrong. Not serene, sadly. - But not a question of life and death, and yesterday's DYK hat the Brahms Requiem and Harnoncourt, on the day one of H. relatives was buried. I keep it on top for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Eugène de Mirecourt
Vanamonde (Talk) 12:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, LouisAlain! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for ..... sofferte onde serene ...
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

A German book on Beethoven's life
Hi. Apparently, Emil Ludwig has written a book named Beethoven: A Profile. I have a copy of the Persian language translation of Beethoven: A Profile, and there is a compendious article on the Persian WP on the book. I just googled and found some bibliographical facts on the work, among them this one, which is released in 2005. You may have known/read the original German copy of the book. Anyway, Emil Ludwig has also written a more famous book on four historical celebrities among them Ludwig van Beethoven: Kunst und Schicksal (über Rembrandt, Beethoven, Weber und Balzac). Vier Bildnisse. 1927. Best, Hamid Hassani (talk) 06:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you Hamid! I didn't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Vincent Boussard
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Voting on article deletion
Thought this would interest you: Articles for deletion/Arnold zu Windisch-Graetz --Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, interested, but behind at many ends. Watching. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sophie Karthäuser
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

BRD, FLT, infoboxes, ... (and a long gone matter)
I apologize in advance if this is valuated as intrusive, and please, feel free to delete this, even unread.

Since I noticed you being an institution here on WP, and I was even once nominated to you for being taken care of, and because I do not want to have exchanges on a TP that is THAT un-welcoming as RexxS', I took the freedom to comment here on your (watching) activity there:

I consider the action of adding that newly created box at FLT as the bold-edit, my removal as the revert, and wanted to start a discussion on the TP with an, as it appeared, very, very unlucky edit summary, that even led to me being undef'd. I am unsure whether I understand your attribution of the property "bizarre", I neither consider boldly adding, nor removing a box as bizarre, and requesting a discussion on adding a box or not appears to me as fully de rigeur. My summary was intended to be seen in the context, known to the adding author, of a box-declining gist in a discussion held at the TP of Project Mathematics. My summary was intended to reason my revert and to remind the box author of this discussion. It was not intended as requesting a discussion before being bold.

For completing the hostile scenario I describe the setting that led to me being indef'd. The author of the box mentioned me in the TfD discussion on "his" box in a list, created with the property "generally opposing to boxes". Since I consider this as defamatory (rendering me silly, at least) context, I reluctantly but effectively struck out (not deleted!) my name there. This was reverted, and vaguely acknowledged by the author. Sadly, this did not finish the matter, but Pigsonthewings, besides RexxS, another militant pro-boxer infobox-activist, rarely offering flowers, and aggressor to my mistakable summary, felt the need to template me on my TP for editing others' comments. For this I declared him as not welcome on my TP, and announced to avoid marginal striking and use the means provided for libel in the future, which did not make explicit "means provided by WP": the WP-RPA template that I had in mind. For my incomplete wording he successfully summoned me to WP:ANI for "legal threat". I will contact blocking Cullen328 when I am finished contemplating his actions. Is it impertinent to ask for your advise in this matter?

I am fully aware that we are at diametral positions regarding the placement of this box at FLT, nevertheless, I enjoy any comment. Sorry, if my English, I do not think highly about it, is really that bad as bemoaned by Iridescent. Best regards, Purgy (talk) 11:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Purgy, thank you for coming over, and I am sorry to read about hostile reactions. I confess that I didn't follow the long story (and even now had no time to read it all). You don't need to explain WP:BRD to me, - I had my (un)fair share of it in my wiki-life. If it's applicable depends on what defines an edit as "bold". I live on a voluntary 1RR which - if applied more generally - would often help, bold or not. It certainly saves time. When I add an infobox, and it is reverted, I drop the matter, - life is too short. I can't help thinking, though, that another chance was missed to make an article more accessible to those not so good in English, vision-impaired, seeking quick bits of information, you name it. For my simple understanding, trying to do so is a good-faith action and not "bold". - ANI: There's a discussion going on if WP:Great Dismal Swamp should be deleted, and while I believe that ANI improved since 2012 when it was coined for sad sad sad reasons, your report confirms that it still swampy there, like for the Great Dismal Swamp maroons. More background in the discussion, everybody! It's still Black history month! Use generously. Next time you feel wrongly blocked, you can place it on your talk ;) - For the cabal of the outcasts, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I regret that my efforts to ask for an explanation for the relation of "bizarre" to my actions looked to you as an inappropriate indoctrination, and that others do not adhere to your motto of dropping reverted boxes. Thanks for your literature on dealing with dark ANI-matter, I am still in contemplation, and also for nudging me the right way for calling fellow editors names. I edited above accordingly. Cheers, Purgy (talk) 12:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * We had an edit conflict, I wanted to tell you something about accusing fellow editors of being militant, and you changed that! Thank you! - I am not sure I understand your request, which may be because of my lack of English. On the talk of RexxS (a friend of mine), I used "bizarre" just as a different word for "bold" to explain - perhaps a bit drastically - that only such edits (bizarre, bold, questionable, unsourced) should be handled by WP:BRD, with strict adherence to status quo ante, while normal edits could be discussed simply, without demanding legal proceedings. "Bizarre" was not meant to mean any of your actions, only as a description of the one ("bold"?) edit which needs to be discussed. Sorry about a misunderstanding, and perhaps there may be more? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Purgy, as I missed you when passing 2019 wishes: here, and don't miss Ray's Rules ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - You are -so I intended- featuring on my TP is as someone who is asked (by Iridescent) to ..., let's say, do something educational to me, but hasn't done so, till then. I see if I can edit to something more unmistakably.
 * - I do not know about any Ray's rules.
 * - Thank you for seeing me worth to be included in a wishes list of yours. Take my best wishes in return, please. :)
 * - I always knew that it is better to have friends instead of foes, and now I had to learn about RexxS that I'd be really better off with having him as a friend. What I've seen, I can't imagine to make friends with him any soon. :|
 * - We seem to have something in common, edit conflicts do not belong to the most beloved events. It would appear as incoherent to me, after having stricken "militant", to use the word "hate" on this here TP. I have to admit that I do not shy away of using such words in my territory, but try to adhere to indigenous preferences. So be trigger-warned when reading my pages, and my comments in the wild. ;] BTW, I oppose to deprecating "this here" (=genau diese(r,s)), it's sort of an emphasis to me. In any case, I really tried not to disturb any of your matters, and I thought I succeeded. Sorry, if not. :(
 * - Most important of all is that my actions on TP:FLT are not considered as "bizarrre".
 * -I do however consider MarkH21's introduction of an IB as "bizarre". I tried to explicate my position here.
 * - Sorry, causing misunderstandings is inherent to language (Wittgenstein); nevertheless, it is my pleasure. Purgy (talk) 13:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Purgy, for Ray's Rules, you click on "here" in my last post (or on "February" on top), and search for them (12 January, if that helps). Last Sunday's gospel was love your enemies, perhaps that explains some. I was out, and am determined to do something about a Ravel composition for his birthday, - please excuse that I will postpone answering details. - On radio Hilde Zadek who just died at age 101. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Purgy, I think we had a misunderstanding (on your talk), - I told you that my motto in 2019 is "we give thanks", and you understood that I thank you. I apologize for lack of clarity. I will find something to thank you for, but the art of taking criticism is not it (yet). I'd mark that line as only partly serious, but you said you don't understand my smileys ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The claim you understood that I thank you is untenable. I made explicit that I do not know what to make of this and, among considering other alternatives, explicitly excluded deserving thanks. No apologies are necessary for a nice gesture, and also no search for reasons to thank me. Assuming good faith on my side would spare any (even smiling) doubts on my capabilities to take deserved criticism. I apologize as soon as someone proves himself innocent or me guilty. Templating and summoning to WP:ANI (2 hours indef'd for ridiculous mistaking) are no such proofs. For politeness I will answer the open question on my TP when I find the time. Purgy (talk) 08:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt your capabilities to accept deserved criticism. It's undeserved criticism which it takes art to take, but sorry, I didn't make that clear as I see now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're going to discuss User:RexxS, User:Cullen328, User:MarkH21 and me, then you should ping us. And if you continue to make the kind of ad hominem accusations you make here, you're going to find yourself back at WP:ANI. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As seems unable to take advice and drop the stick, it seems I have to correct them again. I've now read his accusations at User talk:Purgy Purgatorio
 * They state "{tq|The template on my TP, which is NOT just an informational one, but puts me for one year on a watch list(!), and forever(!) leaves a marking, therefore, appears to me to have been applied for intimidating purposes. A non-official remark about the DS-state would have served the same purpose in a way more collegial manner. Adding RexxS' remark, enforcing and exploiting my above expectations: "I took considerable care to check the guidance and the logs, etc. before slapping, so it was not quite as unconsidered as it may have seemed," makes it obvious to me that he intends to intimidate me, even using my recently being indef'd for a totally skewed misunderstanding (check my claims, my guidance and not only the bare log-entry!)"
 * Purgy Purgatorio should have read WP:AC/DS before committing those untruths to their talk page.  The alert –  and it's called an 'alert' for a reason –  is to be considered as advice, and nothing more. It is part of a formal process and is required to be delivered in that form. I was obliged to do the checking of the logs, etc. to ensure that I didn't deliver a duplicate alert. I am disgusted by Purgy Purgatorio's baseless accusation that the alert was "applied for intimidating purposes". That's a personal attack and needs to be removed.
 * They state "I consider the state of the meanwhile stale discussion at TP:PMath as objecting to even creating this IB."
 * They state "I still do not understand why introducing an IB in one article is no bold edit, especially considering the mentioned, declining discussion on a most competent WP-project TP in charge of this topic.
 * They state "The declining discussion took place before the introduction of the IB at FLT. It advocated for good reasons an only "sparse use" of IBs in math articles, and denied by majority the general usefulness of this specific IB."
 * I've already explained to them that WP:CONLOCAL prohibits Wikiprojects from subverting policy and guidelines: "participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope." The guideline is MOS:INFOBOXUSE: "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." Wikiprojects are not "in charge of the topic". No Wikiproject can forbid an editor from making an edit, and the discussion to decide on the presence of an infobox must take place on the article talk page. This blatant WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT is disruptive and needs to stop. --RexxS (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Since I was notified about the above text, dealing with me not dropping a not wielded stick, and going beyond the version accessible to me at my TP, I feel entitled to deposit here a link to my (hopefully) in this matter. BTW, I cannot read easily a pronoun in plural form as referring to my (singular ;) pun intended) male existence. Purgy (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Seen, on my way to church, so can't check it out. - What I thought over night, and it's short: when you are warned that you are moving in a mine field, do you accuse the one warning you that it's intimidating, and stigmatizing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Also short: If the mine-field is just a parade-ground for POV-pushers, and the warning is done in this way (and not in an unofficial, fully sufficient, not intimidating way) then I perceive them this way. Purgy (talk) 11:03, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't anybody with a POV who decided the topic is dangerous, but the arbitration committee. (To study: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes, look for "discretionary" from the end). Opabinia regalis, I can't find when the DS for infoboxes were established, help? To my knowledge, the warning has to be formal, or can't be acted upon. Bishonen, is that right? - Purgy, take it up with arbcom. What is it you are afraid of, or do I misunderstand "intimidated"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Gerda. "These only count as the formal notifications required by this procedure if the standard template message – currently – is placed unmodified on the talk page of the editor being alerted". Underlining in original. But note also that people can be aware of discretionary sanctions for other reasons than having received an alert; those are listed here. Probably none of them apply to your interlocutor, though. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC).

(Sigh!) I tried so hard not to exceed your attention span. "Arbitration committee decided the topic is dangerous", "dangerous, because of many pertinent POV-pushers (pro & contra)", "the warning has to be formal, or can't be acted upon", "the alerting was done in a formally correct way". All undisputed.

I wish and deserve to be in the state of being unalerted. I am intimidated, because now in the state of being warned, it can be acted upon me, immediately and without further warning. It is comparable to be sentenced with conditional discharge, it puts me under monitoring, my risk level to be sanctioned in WP is higher than before, my decorum is spoiled ... Having been informed in an unofficial, collegial way about the DS-zone would have been fully sufficient, and not intimidating. Please, note the difference between formally alerting (=intimidating) and informing (=not intimidating). I claim that the warning was dispensable. I perceive it as a hostile act that I won't react on any further. Purgy (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


 * We'll see. - I smiled a lot when I saw your support for keeping WP:Great Dismal Swamp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hopefully last comment here, also as a note to self: the Discretionary sanctions for infoboxes were installed in Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions, - a case I was able to ignore. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Purgy, I think we had a misunderstanding (on your talk), - I told you that my motto in 2019 is "we give thanks", and you understood that I thank you. I apologize for lack of clarity. I will find something to thank you for, but the art of taking criticism is not it (yet). I'd mark that line as only partly serious, but you said you don't understand my smileys ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The claim you understood that I thank you is untenable. I made explicit that I do not know what to make of this and, among considering other alternatives, explicitly excluded deserving thanks. No apologies are necessary for a nice gesture, and also no search for reasons to thank me. Assuming good faith on my side would spare any (even smiling) doubts on my capabilities to take deserved criticism. I apologize as soon as someone proves himself innocent or me guilty. Templating and summoning to WP:ANI (2 hours indef'd for ridiculous mistaking) are no such proofs. For politeness I will answer the open question on my TP when I find the time. Purgy (talk) 08:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt your capabilities to accept deserved criticism. It's undeserved criticism which it takes art to take, but sorry, I didn't make that clear as I see now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

What I thought over night, and it's short: when you are warned that you are moving in a mine field, do you accuse the one warning you that it's intimidating, and stigmatizing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Also short: If the mine-field is just a parade-ground for POV-pushers, and the warning is done in this way (and not in an unofficial, fully sufficient, not intimidating way) then I perceive them this way. Purgy (talk) 11:03, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't anybody with a POV who decided the topic is dangerous, but the arbitration committee. (To study: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes, look for "discretionary" from the end). Opabinia regalis, I can't find when the DS for infoboxes were established, help? To my knowledge, the warning has to be formal, or can't be acted upon. Bishonen, is that right? - Purgy, take it up with arbcom. What is it you are afraid of, or do I misunderstand "intimidated"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Gerda. "These only count as the formal notifications required by this procedure if the standard template message – currently – is placed unmodified on the talk page of the editor being alerted". Underlining in original. But note also that people can be aware of discretionary sanctions for other reasons than having received an alert; those are listed here. Probably none of them apply to your interlocutor, though. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC).
 * Hopefully last comment here, also as a note to self: the Discretionary sanctions for infoboxes were installed in Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility in infobox discussions, - a case I was able to ignore. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Landestheater Detmold
Vanamonde (Talk) 12:02, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi, I see you are behind at many ends right now. I noticed that de:Geschichte des geistlichen Liedes auf dem europäischen Kontinent is by far superior to Hymn and Hymn tune in its historical coverage. I am wondering how you feel about translating it as a new article in English. In theory by the time you get around to it I or someone else might be around to work on the english. On the other hand, I could just run it through the machine translator, and then try to improve it from there.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:02, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking, but please don't count on me for that one: very technical where I will lack the terms, + long. Good luck. Francis Schonken would be your man (unafraid to list the compositions of Bach and Schubert!), but he's blocked for some months to come. Tell me how you call it, and I'll watch. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I'll just run it through robo-translate. It may sit in draft for a while, and that is okay. Along with this one I will put de:Geistliches_Lied_im_englischen_Kulturraum and de:Geistliches_Lied_in_den_Vereinigten_Staaten through robo-translate. Yes, there is a better coverage in that last link than Hymn... sad, as if Germans care more about it than Americans do.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I got History of European spiritual songs out of robo-translate. We will see how long it lasts in articlespace before someone puts it in draft.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Elsewhere, "spiritual songs" are simply hymns. Perhaps make that a redirect? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I gave it a few links, and - reading "Christian behavior of the Christians" - recommend you take it to a sandbox. What does "Old church" mean? ... - There will be many spots where the Bible is quoted, - please make it links to our Wikisource. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * A few general notes: don't link years - have all songs in quotation marks and don't translate them - check for pipes to the original. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * After working with it for a while, I realized the article was 90% about hymns, so I went and moved it. Now I see your comment along the same lines. "Spiritual songs" is a broader term to include carols and more casual songs like those sung around campfires at children's camps. Hymns properly speaking are more objective and doctrinal in character. Some hymnals have a special section for Spiritual Songs. Yes, the machine translator does that. It means I have to go back and put the original German back in. I intend to leave the English in cases where the English speaking reader would recognize the English but probably not the German. "Old church" is what the machine translate spat out. I understand it is sometimes used to refer to the pre-Reformation church, but in this case it is supposed to mean early Church, like pre-Nicea. I hope my editing didn't block yours.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Great work, thank you! - The article is not clear about its sources, reads a bit like someone's work. - There's more on Luther and his transformation of much older stuff in Nun bitten wir den heiligen Geist, with sources, - feel free to take from there. - I confess that there are many 19th-century hymns I never even heard, while Luther's still get sung ;) - Have English but clearly as a translation, unless a hymn was written in English. (Plenty of thoughts on that on the talk of Ein feste Burg.) - Sorry for mixed bits of thought. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling me about Nun bitten. I had never heard of a medieval leise before, so now I intend to add that in. My last response was even more mixed bits of thought. I wouldn't expect otherwise because we are communicating through text. As for English vs. German, I am of the opinion that at least when there is a wikilink to the title that makes up for half of the offense committed in terms of cultural approbation--because anyone can look up the original with the wikilink. I'm not sure how much you care about the philosophy involved, but when people but down English titles of German that is more (I think) because they believe in the possibility of analyticity--that the exact meaning can be transmitted by translation. However, I can see someone how someone who sees translation as always being synthetic could see an English title and think there is something lost by using it. Almost the same argument is had by people who prefer a literal vs. dynamic-equivalent translation of the Bible. I am of the opinion that even if something is lost in translation, it is far less than when people use the original words but change the definitions in their mind--love being shallow, faith merely an affirmation, heaven a good feeling, etc.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We have one Luther hymn in English, and we have two Mozart operas in English, and one Wagner opera in English, and all others by these creative minds are in the original language. You can't say Wagner composed The Flying Dutchman, - he didn't, and if you read his article, care has been taken not to say so. We can do the same for Luther. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Prep 2
Hi, after I responded to you at WT:DYK I looked at the prep set and realized what you were referring to. Actually, that's my hook on Bracha Zefira, and I already asked the promoter to hold it for a later slot in March or even April if necessary, because the image really enhances the hook. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I feel understood ;) - no way I'd prefer any logo for that face! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Kleiter
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 75
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Lindau
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you LouisAlain, - without you we'd never know these people! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * These DYK pages are 90% yours Gerda. I just deliver raw material. LouisAlain (talk) 13:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


 * No contradiction, - without you we'd not know these people ;) - for March, please more women than men. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

in the colonies down under (no not the french ones)
barry manilow is a meme, as well as the firesign theatre, as well as dan hicks, as well as the goon show (all for a very specific age group and cultural framework) - to actually comprehend how these also tie in with both non sequitor and also how tom lehrer fits into it all as well and the serious issue of how irony does not fare well in current cultural millieaus that inhabit the land mass of north america - to adequately explain is beyond edit summary acceptable size or even talk page size of the honourable drmies - whatever that might actually constitute in terms of a carbon based lifeform (sorry the late douglas adams has to be heard as well) - if this is all beyond you - no problems, probably softlavender might have a better short hand way of explaining it all - in simpler terms... JarrahTree 13:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I like it without understanding every bit ;) - we thank you for upholding endangered irony --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Jerger
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Lasting Impact
Gerda, I was reminded tonight of your giving me a Precious and it remains perhaps the nicest and most meaningful thing someone has done for me on Wikipedia. I have my Wiki friends who are great and who I get support an encouragement from but to have a "stranger" take the time to really look into me as an editor and capture the good I try to do here meant, and means a lot. I know I thanked you at the time but wanted you to also be thanked for the last impact. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Barkeep49, thank you for taking the time to come here and say that, blushing ;) - "encouragement" is among my favourite words --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Eddie, I suggest PrimeHunter for tomorrow - 10 y. I'd like to use this anchor, to archive the long thread above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , sure-- i can probably do it if you like... Eddie891 Talk Work 23:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I like ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ perhaps MrLinkinPark333 soon Eddie891 Talk Work 00:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * for women writers user:Victuallers ( 1770 pages, many about women) Eddie891 Talk Work 00:43, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * V first, thought he had it long ago, my mistake. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Claire Born
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ralf Otto
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Limburger Domsingknaben
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Apollo 11 Fiftieth Anniversary commemorative coins
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for your note, Gerda – and your work. I'm trying to get the U.S. public radio network to play some of Grimaud's performances. Neulich I started reading a new biography of Schumann. Hope it doesn't get too deprimierend. – Sca (talk) 15:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope so, Sca, but would be kind of a good match to Ash Wednesday. I wanted to write about women in March, instead, men die (and one I knew, and for one I wrote the article), and their pages are in bad shape or don't exist, - can't leave it like that, - family calls me Friedhofsgärtnerin ;) - Busy with motets to match, about sowing in tears and crying out of the deep, will sing the latter on Sunday. The composer had a bad car accident the year they appeared, - haven't found yet if he composed them before or after. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Among fellow septuagenarians I know the big medical topic is knee-replacement surgery. Visited an old friend who had it recently. They told Lars recovery may take six months. My sister, 78, is due to have it next week. Well, time and chance happen to them all. I've broken six bones ... so far. Sca (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Tell them good wishes. I have a friend who had a successful knee surgery. Hals- und Beinbruch! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That Sprichwort reminds me of dialogs I memorized in my first high school German class. Example: "Was machst du nach der Schule?" "Nichts besonders, warum?" "Sollen wir Erich besuchen? Er liegt im Krankenhaus. Er hat das Bein gebrochen." Usw. Guess my memory isn't totally gone, yet. Aber genug! – Sca (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * My first sentence in English was "Look! A fox." Don't ask me why they teach as these things, and why they stick, while I can't remember the name of a singer I heard last week. Note to self: Izabela Matula. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You never know when you're going to run across a fox, Gerda. My first sentence actually speaking German to a 'real' person was, "Fährt dieser Zug nach Köln?" I was very excited when the railwayman answered, "Ja." I can still remember what he looked like. – Sca (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Many foxes where I live. I learned beginner's Spanish for a choir trip to Azkoitia (porforming in the pictured church), and one word was "hormiguero", I thought how many ant heeps will I meet, and sure enough, the word appeared in a newspaper headline during the short stay there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a sizeable Basque community where I live – descendants of Basque sheepherders. You might be interested in this. – Sca (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, interesting. The church in the background when he speaks about dialects looks like the other one where we performed, with a torrential thunderstorm right before the concert, so that there was no electricity in the streets, and water rushing down them, - and almost nobody came to listen but a political group from where we came from, Wiesbaden, because San Sebastián is a Partnerstadt.
 * The Schumann book is already looking rather grim. Sca (talk) 22:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ewandro Stenzowski
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Joseph Flummerfelt
Hello. Just in case you want to help me expand Joseph Flummerfelt...Zigzig20s (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Watching, - a bit of He-He beginnings, otherwise fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ein Landarzt (opera)
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Bundesrepublik
I was at school when the Berlin Wall was still up, and I remember the first German lesson in school (which would have been about 1985-ish) starting with "Wo sprecht man Deustch?" and briefly explaining the Bundesrepublik, the DDR, Switzerland and Austria. I don't think anyone, teachers or pupils alike, had any remote idea that Germany would be reunified in five years' time. Nowadays, we talk about der Mauer im Kopf and I am quite upset to see the AfD make the biggest electoral gains in the closest bit of present day Germany to Auschwitz-Birkenau. That just seems profoundly wrong. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:14, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I remember standing at the Brandenburger Tor with a friend from California, and we thought it would never change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

You like German opera? I'm more of a Brahms person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1gel 2gel 3gel 4gel (talk • contribs) 13:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I love singing the Brahms Requiem. Please sign your posts on talk pages, and do me a favour, read the (admittedly standard) welcome I left on your talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "Racket? That's Brahms! Brahms Third Racket!" <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Oscar van Hemel
Hi Gerda, Componists are not my usual thing, but some years ago I heard one of the pieces of this composer and I quite liked it, so here's my first ever composer article. As you know more about these things, I'd appreciate your opinion and possible suggestions. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 13:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I'd say "Hemel" as we say "Beethoven", - don't know for him. Nice work! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In the Netherlands, they use the "van" as part of the name, but alphabetize under the main part: "Hemel, Oscar van", but if they talk about him using only his family name, it's "van Hemel", with the "v" only capitalize if it's at the start of a phrase. (See, for example, Willem van Hanegem). It's the same in Germany with "von" (but you know that of course). How Beethoven got to be deprived of his "van" I don't know.... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you say some more about what kind of music, such as He composed chamber music - or whatever? We so far can only guess from the single works with Dutch titles. Perhaps Drmies can help with that who will be able to read the sources better? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a list of works here, but I don't know whether it is complete (20 works doesn't sound like that much, but then I'm a Mozart fan and Wolfgang Amadé wrote a wall full of works in less than half van Hemel's life). Anyway, it looks like that website only lists works for which there is a recording, so there may be more. It's mostly chamber music, but there are also works for choir (mostly sacral music). The website of the Oscar van Hemel Foundation lists many more works, including two operas and quite a few works for orchester. I didn't include all these works, as that would basically mean copying that website and I didn't really see a good source to base a selection on. If you'd like to hear something from him, there a sample here. Out of curiosity, why did you switch from infobox composer to infobox person? Anyway, thanks for going over this! --Randykitty (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Quick answer, RL: just a summary of what type of compositions, with that as a source. Absolutely want to nominate Jacques Loussier for Recent deaths, and need to go soon. Will look later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Later answer: I switched because CC has no education parameter, + others we may need. I wonder if we should mention the children. I nominated Loussier, please watch, add references, expand, - he deserves it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha is closer to Dutchland than me, and if I had to guess, they know more about classical music than I do. Drmies (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Trois Chansons
Please convert Trois Chansons to a disambiguation page for the ambiguous English Wikipedia topics you say exist. Or undo your move. See WP:PRECISION and the classical music naming guidelines. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There are three Trois Chansons on 3 Songs (and could be more). Ravel's work is no primary topic among them. I think it's better to have all these English / French / German / Spanish three songs on one page than one for each language. I found the Spanish ones. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Marlise Wendels
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Lord, have mercy upon us (Mendelssohn)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Schunk
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Chandos Anthems
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ruthilde Boesch
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
Dear Gerda, you are too kind! Thank you. Every blessing. Bermicourt (talk) 13:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, my pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Zuzana Marková (soprano)
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt (Mendelssohn)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Bruckner's Kleine Kirchenmusikwerke
Hi Gerda,

Band XXI: Kleine Kirchenmusikwerke (Ed. Nowak) is now available on IMSLP - Neue Gesamtausgabe, except p. 53 (Aequale II, WAB 146), which is blanked because of copyright (score of the bass trombone).

Enjoy! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! - Off to vacation ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

question re title change
Hello Gerda, do you know how to change a page title ? I am looking at Grandma Gatewood. I suggested to change to her real name.--Wuerzele (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * We have many wrong titles due to common name. Will see. Vacation! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Spas Wenkoff
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ursula Wendt-Walther
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Violin Concerto (Previn)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Pasqualati House
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Marc Piollet
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Das Weizenkorn muss sterben
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 93
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Großes Sängerlexikon
Hi, regarding your hook in Prep 5, the Großes Sängerlexikon article gives a lot of publication dates, but doesn't mention a 2012 anniversary edition at all. Perhaps you'd like to add something about the 2012 publication there. Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm on vacation in the desert, on a shaky line. Google books has it. The edition is the same content as 2004 by a different publisher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for The Deer's Cry (Pärt)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Leo Riemens
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Karl-Josef Kutsch
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:36, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

translation assistance?
Hi, Gerda! I wonder if you'd give me a bit of translation assistance when you have a moment? This page at German wikipedia says

Ab 2008 hatte Ernst-Ulrich Schassberger World Toques gegründet, nach dem er als Deutschland-Vorsitzender von Euro-Toques abgewählt worden war 1 und verwendete von 2008 bis 2016 ebenfalls die Bezeichnung Euro-Toques, sodass es in Deutschland zwei konkurrierende Verbände gab, die unter dem gleichen Namen auftraten. In einem gerichtlichen Vergleich wurde vereinbart, dass Schassberger für seine Vereinigung eine andere Bezeichnung, die mit Toques beginnt, verwenden soll. 2

I can't tell from google translate or from the translated article whether Schassberger was the president of Euro-Toques International or the president of the Euro-Toques Germany chapter.

Thanks for any assistance! I see you are on vacation; no hurry at all!--valereee (talk) 12:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm at the airport, but there will be a long flight and drive home, so will put down the sign only tomorrow. My understanding; He was the president of the German section of Euro-Toques, but was "un-elected" (missing term). The he founded World Toques in 2008. Then he used the name Euro-Toques for that one as well, so that there were two competing associations under the same name, until 2016. There was a court arrangement, saying that he had to chose a different name which was permitted to begin with "Toques". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , thank you so much! Safe travels! --valereee (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ria Ginster
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. — MarkH21 (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I see. I archived the thread mentioned. - A relevant comment dates from 3 October 2016: "Even if an infobox would help orient readers, the editorial improvements also obviously benefit them; it's a rare case where a mediocre article with an infobox is better than a well-developed article without one. On the other hand, it would really help if people who make "editorial choices" not to use infoboxes would do some more thinking about how they are going to serve their less prose-oriented readers - people who are just skimming, who aren't sure this article is the one they're looking for, who don't read English well, who are reading on their phones, who are trying to reuse our content, etc. While I don't mean anyone in this thread, I've noticed that a lot of the rhetoric around infoboxes carries the tone that these readers are not worth making an effort to reach, and that's not a sustainable approach." (by Opabinia regalis) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * For history: archived at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1006 - sad story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

For your enjoyment
Hello GA. I thought of you when I saw today's Google doodle in honour of JS Bach's birthday. I'm not sure how you'll feel about a computer algorithm composing music but it is a bit of fun anyway. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 08:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for coming over, and I decorated above in different style ;) - With Francis Schonken blocked, and Mathsci missed, I feel rather lonely on the topic, but promised myself to expand a cantata today, an Italian one for the lighter mood of a birthday ;) - Did you know that 6 years ago on this day, I started a discussion (his talk archive) that hopefully would not happen again these days, after we all grew up a bit? GFHandel left because of it, which is a sad loss. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ps: we celebrate today, but it's kind of wrong, as an old-style date, was actually 10 days later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the info and the links. You are right about the sad losses. Your mention of the dates reminds me of an esoteric joke I heard long ago - What happened on October 10 1582? - Absolutely nothing :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 09:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a musical, Der kleine Tag (can't give you its German article, - they strike today, in protest to less free access to information), someone little experiencing several not-so-unusual events on a 23 April, which later turns out to have been a special day: peace all over the world! A friend was born that day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice to know and thanks for another link. I always learn things when chatting with you. That is much appreciated. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 09:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I try to write an article a day, keep watching on my user page ;) - I missed a few days during vacation, nothing rigid, ever. - What do you think about the thread above? (First ANI notice in six years, but I wasn't "involved", just part of it happened on my talk, archived already.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Six years! Congrats on that gap and I'm glad that it wasn't actually about you :) On another Bach note I still have my vinyl of Switched-On Bach that I received as a child. It is amazing to think that all the elements that made up a Moog synthesizer (and more) can now fit in my phone. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 11:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Jacques Loussier
Ach, I hadn't realised Jacques Loussier has recently died (I saw a comment you left elsewhere). I had the pleasure of attending a concert by the Jacques Loussier Trio at the Sheldonian in Oxford many years ago. I note our Wikipedia article says "The group was commercially successful but less popular with critics and jazz purists" - how I hate critics and purists! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I heard the first trio, and the second twice, last time with the Dave Brubeck quartet on one stage, - quite a night! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, yes, that would have been special! It was the second trio I heard - I would have liked to have seen the first. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Ekkehard Wlaschiha at the Met/PBS broadcast 1990
Hi Gerda, I'm not sure about the grammar or who's arguing which point in the Ekkehard Wlaschiha article, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that at the Met's 1990 RING broadcast on PBS, the Wotan was JAMES MORRIS and the Siegfried was SIEGFRIED JERUSALEM. I'm watching it right now, even as I type. You posted that EW sang alongside Hans Sotin as Wotan and William Johns as Siegfried; were you referring to a different performance of the RING? The article as written doesn't make it clear whether you mean at the Met/PBS (in which case you would be wrong about who sang the Wotan and Siegfried) or at a different show (in which case you might well be right). Clarification needed! Best wishes, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that, so add it. The ref cited so far in the article has the others. He sang several times, no contradiction, but we can't name two people and the ref at the end of the sentence has two others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Christa Wolf
Leading German author Christa Wolf would have been 90 – Sca (talk) 23:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sca, - another one whose work (Der geteilte Himmel I loved. (Sad stub, the book article, - would you help me expanding?) - We do that in the faamily also: celebrate the birthdays of those who died. One tomorrow, will be pictured on the Main page. - Bitter story behind today's smiling image. I am so thankful to LouisAlain for creating such articles, making us aware. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't know about Bokor. At least she was able to get out before the war and eventually made it to the safety of the U.S.
 * I Knew of Christa Wolf, but I'm not familiar enough with her work to feel competent writing about her (though I'd be glad to copy-read anything you or Zwerg Nase might put together). I should read her Kindheitsmuster/Patterns of Childhood.
 * Lately I've been reading Bernhard Schlink, whose work I find compelling in an almost mystical way. Im Moment I'm almost finished with Heimkehr/Homecoming (in English).
 * Meanwhile, at age 71, I've fallen hopelessly, tragically in love with Beautiful Hélène. It's a sad case. – Sca (talk) 16:16, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I told you that I had the great pleasure to experience her playing of the First Brahms Concerto, in Baden-Baden - friends who had tickets couldn't go, excellent tickets, could see her face from rather close. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, while Mr. Previn wrote a concerto for his beloved, you could at least supply some refs for yours. I'm busy, just found that Hallstein is bare of refs ... - I have the novel scheduled for Tuesday. Hopefully no more people die until then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 *   Rachmaninoff.
 *   Beautiful Helena. (Ha!)
 * – Sca (talk) 16:47, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you ;) - just took a pic of a steam locomotive in Wadi Rum, for a friend who loves such things. No name, not even in Arabic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I've added a couple of refs to the lead of Ingeborg Hallstein, but they probably ought to be spread elsewhere in the article. I haven't got the time to do it, but it needs copyediting quite badly—not always good English and full of personal opinions. It's from the "old days" of Wikipedia (2005!) when people basically wrote stuff from what they read on opera sites and forums or heard on records and never bothered with refs at all. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I noticed, we had an edit conflict, - will look now, a bit of time until rehearsal. We need the foursome Scolatella! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey! I noticed that I was tagged here while I was on vacation. Onfortunately, this topic is not my forte at all, so I am afraid I'll have to pass... Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Do you mean Hallstein or the novel. Hallstein is fine now, the novel awaiting improvements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Margit Bokor
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jörg Streli
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Heinz Rühmann
Why am I not surprised a German user has Heinz Rühmann in her watch list ? LouisAlain (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Die Feuerzangenbowle (1944 film) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I learned about him via Your Money or Your Life (1966 film) wich is regurlarly broadcast on French TVs.

Precious question
Hi Gerda, can the precious/awesome Wikipedian award be given by anyone to anyone, or are there certain conditions? I know a user who works hard to help new users out and fight vandalism, and also creates well-written geographical articles, but has not been listed as an awesome Wikipedian. Just wondering if I could give it to them myself. Cheers, -- SkyGazer 512 <span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">My talk page 14:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can give it. I have my personal restrictions, but you are free. Just note in "the books", please, with your name in the comment, and nobody today yet, so go right ahead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks. I assume by "the books" you mean WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious? :)-- SkyGazer 512 <span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">My talk page 14:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * yes, I knew you knew ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Wolfgang Meyer
Espresso Addict (talk) 20:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

speaking to the dead
so to speak - that is a blocked user... JarrahTree 07:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I was ignorant, and too many are dead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

April editathons at Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

DYK for Lydia Steier
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Favor for the image? I found and added an image of Steier to the article, but notice you don't mention the opera that the image is "from", Turandot in Cologne 2017. My German is negligible, whereas I believe yours is native, so (a) it might be worth to add a sentence to the article, (you could maybe use this for the source: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buehne-und-konzert/lydia-steier-inszeniert-turandot-14958751.html ?) and (b) if you could improve the Deutsch description and/or caption on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lydia_Steier_on_Theater-TV.jpg that would probably be of great service to the German readers. Since she does work mostly in Germany, there will probably be a number of these! I just copied it straight from the Vimeo page for the video I grabbed the image from, but that really describes the video, we probably want at least the lead sentence to describe Steier, but I did not trust Google Translate to not turn my English sentence into gibberish.  --GRuban (talk) 17:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * What a great interruption. So far, it was all sad, another article sent to draft, another great person died. Relief! I saw the 2019 performance where Tiresias was masked as Stravinsky and Iolanta's father (who gets to close to his daughter) as Tchaikovsky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I aim to please! Every so often I glance over the day's DYKs to see if there are any that don't have images that I could add. Quite often these turn out to be yours! A day without a Gerda DYK is like a day without sunshine... --GRuban (talk) 17:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * blushing ;) - my niche - the little article where I won't interfere. You could look a bit ahead, into the queue, to provide the early birds also. Next: Melitta Muszely. Or even better: when I create, to make the nomination pictured. (Just look at my user page, today Divided Heaven (novel) - no heaven, no novel, move discussion open - planned, and also Draft:Gerhard Siegel and Friedrich Achleitner, unplanned. The two pictured DYK with women both made it to the stats. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Melitta Muszely images from Deutsche Fotothek

 * I may be able to help! But you'll have to do some work too, I'm afraid. Here is the Deutsche Fotothek page for images related to Melitta Muszely: http://www.deutschefotothek.de/gallery/freitext/muszely I say related to, since some may not be of her. Here is where the work comes in. Take a look at the images, 35 of them, I think either http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71417172/df_pk_0004471_b_034 or http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71417172/df_pk_0004471_b_032 or http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71417172/df_pk_0004471_b_016 would probably be the best for her article, but you may think some of the other 35 would be better. Now, using your superior German language and opera history knowledge, please confirm that these are actually pictures of Muszely, and not, for example, of Irmgard Arnold, who seems to be the only other female singer in the opera at the time, if you look at http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71417172. When I do a Google image search for other images of each of these female singers, they do seem to look more like Muszely than Arnold, but I would appreciate your agreement; it would be a shame if a true opera expert would be able to say - that's obviously not her! The usage license for Deutsche Fotothek seems to be CC-BY 3.0 for these limited quality images, http://www.deutschefotothek.de/cms/gebuehren.xml, though they do sell higher quality ones, so we should be able to use these. If you agree these are her, you can either tell me and I'll put them on Wikimedia Commons appropriately, or you can just do that yourself if you prefer. If you can figure out which character she is portraying in each image (I understand she had 4 roles in Tales of Hoffmann!) that would also be useful. --GRuban (talk) 18:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a great collection. Let's focus on Hoffmann. If just one, I'd pick #35, Giulietta, courtesan. There should be two other female singers, one Antonia's mother (who is dead and sings from heaven, so won't be pictured), and the other Niklausse, who will be dressed in pants. I don't think she will be pictured as Stella because that's a short spoken role in the epilogue. Leaves three. If we can have three, - to illustrate versatilty, I'd chose 15 (Olympia, the doll which breaks, also 1 with the harp) and 28 (Antonia, who sings herself to death). I tell you ;) - I just uploaded a few of my own, and would like to add to those, but see above, unplanned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

I ...may have gotten slightly greedy. Take your pick. They may require a bit of renaming for intelligibility, right now they're just numbered. --GRuban (talk) 15:06, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, exquisite! Tomorrow is her day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the article infobox? What if we crop 19 or 21 just down to her? --GRuban (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * How about 3 then? - Actually, not one is perfect for that purpose, and I looked at Traviata also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * GRuban, we have another day, I counted wrong ;) - another day, another death (below below), I can't believe it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Other images
Sorry, I couldn't find anything for Hans Günter Nöcker or most of the others on your list - he is not the same as the Hanns Nocker we see with Muszely. I did go down the list of March Women at the top of this page, though, and though, again, didn't find anything for most, did find a good number for Claire Born as Elektra, again from Deutsche Fotothek, http://www.deutschefotothek.de/gallery/freitext/%22born%2C+claire%22, and a ... possibility ... for Zuzana Marková (soprano). That's this Creative Commons Attribution licensed YouTube video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovflRztyTEc - unfortunately, I don't know the Aspern opera, so don't know if this singing woman (cantatrice) is "Una cantatrice/ Un'amica di viaggio: Zuzana Marková" - that is certainly a singing woman, but I somehow suspect there will be multiples of those in the opera. https://www.google.com/search?q=zuzana+markova&tbm=isch is what Markova should look like, so it's possible, but the video is very shadowy, so it could be some other brunette. Would you be able to figure it out? --GRuban (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Elektra is gruesome, and it looks like it ;) - I think the singer (not those acting) is Marková - you can compare to some refs and external links - but too badly lighted to be useful. Thanks for trying. Liselotte Hammes? 1960s mas o menos. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Couldn't find anything for Hammes, sorry. Turns out Born was only a secondary role in Elektra, but put one image of her in there as an alternative to just being all from one opera. Stepped one half second at a time through the Markova video, found one frame that ... still isn't great, I admit... but is at least is not completely in shadow, so I think is better than nothing. And her costume looks beautiful! --GRuban (talk) 00:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! (No red links in infoboxes, please.) Chrysothemis is a lovely role, like Ismene in Antigone, Liu in Turandot - the gentler woman ;) And did you read the part about Liu in Steier's Cologne production? - Also getting greedy: Ruth Hesse perhaps. Might I take a shot of a 1960s newspaper clipping? Like Muszely, Hammes "looked" her roles, which isn't easy for Sophie supposed to be 15 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * GRuban, same for Margit Schramm, btw., looking her roles. I added the women without DYK (yet), too late too short for Synek and Schädle. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * GRuban, Rosl Schwaiger and Sylvia Geszty are next, also looking their roles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I found a lot of Deutsche Fotothek images for Handel's Giulio Cesare, 1970 in which Sylvia Geszty plays Cleopatra (even though that's not in either her or the opera's article yet)!. http://www.deutschefotothek.de/gallery/freitext/sylvia+geszty They're not labeled, though, and she is not the only female role, and again, I haven't seen the opera, so need a bit of expert confirmation that this would be her. This thread says that the roles are: Dirigent Helmut Koch – Inszenierung Erhard Fischer – Cleopatra Sylvia Geszty, Cornelia Annelies Burmeister; Cäsar Theo Adam, Sextus Peter Schreier, Ptolemäus Siegfried Vogel, Achillas Günther Leib, Curio Horst Lunow, Nirenus Günther Fröhlich. However, there seem to be three women in the photos, http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71500654/df_pk_0006164_019 which I thought would be Annelies Burmeister as Cornelia (we also have an image-less article on her, so those will be useful as well); http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71500654/df_pk_0006164_035 which I thought would be Sylvia Geszty, since she seems very Cleopatra-ish; but then there is the white-hared woman at the top of http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/71500654/df_pk_0006164_049 which troubles me. Are the first two both Geszty, and the third Burmeister? --GRuban (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the find! I am sory that I know the opera much less than the other one, so won't be sure. Adam Curden, image expert, would you know? Perhaps ask on project opera? I have a few things on my mind more urgent, so patience please. She looks like on youTube=hLONXMKcMsA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Friedrich Achleitner
Stephen 22:31, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Another one bites the dust
Now: Hans Gunter-Nocker. RIP. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 04:47, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sad. Get's a daily thing. Whose first to create? Hans Günter Nöcker --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I was, more to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a daily thing.  My watch-list includes: Gundula Janowitz, Franz Mazura, and Matti Salminen.  I check daily to see if they're still alive.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 21:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * DYK that Mazura performed in a premiere in 2017? See Renate Behle. Amazing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow! I forgot to include in my watch-list one of my favorite golden-voiced basses, whom I like even more than I like Kurt Moll: Hans Sotin.  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Heinz Winbeck
Espresso Addict (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Melitta Muszely
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Out-of-place examples
Re:Out-of-place examples Hi - I think I might have just misunderstood the wording. I read it simply as "There were five symphonies. Tu Solus and De Profundis were two of them." It just seemed odd to me to name a seemingly-random two of the five (since nothing in the article seems to indicate there was anything particularly special about these two). The specific wording - "some of which carry titles such as" - also threw me off. It kind of made it sound like it was literally saying "titles similar to these," i.e. pithy Latin titles, which the other three do NOT have. But I honestly don't know anything whatsoever about this subject and it's totally possible something's going over my head here. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Elmer Clark: My thoughts: when I updated the article of Heinz Winbeck, an article I had started in 2011, about another great person who recently died (Friedrich Achleitner the day before, Hans Günter Nöcker the day after, look above for "Another one bites the dust" - and had no article!) I was hit by Winbveck's last symphony being named "Jetzt und in der Stunde unseres Todes" (now and in the hour of our death, - nunc et in mortis hora, from the Ave Maria). I would have loved to mention THAT in the lead, but found it too long and too German. So I tried by the short Latin and familiar phrases, whoich could tell readers different things on different levels o understanding:


 * 1) He named symphonies, like a program. Rare, the names of symphonies from Mozart to Mahler were usually nicknamed later. Bernstein named one Kaddish.
 * 2) He chose Latin names, showing erudition.
 * 3) He chose phrases from Christian texts, showing background.
 * 4) He chose one from the Creed: "you alone [are the mmost high ...]", showing faith.
 * 5) He chose one from Psalm 130, "out of the deep [have I called unto thee]", a call from the misery of human existence.
 * I thought it was a lot of meaning in few words. RIP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok fair enough, feel free to revert me :) -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:56, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You could do it yourself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I restored, with links which perhaps help understanding the choices. DYK that the DYK for him was (in 2011): ... that Dennis Russell Davies conducted the premiere of the Fifth Symphony Now and in the hour of death by Heinz Winbeck, which reflects Bruckner's Ninth Symphony? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK
Congrats for approaching your 1,200th DYK nomination. Should be reached before the end of April. I'll try to help. I understand the article must be new but how much new? LouisAlain (talk) 15:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 7 days ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * LouisAlain, you can help ;) - I just nominated Rosl Schwaiger for DYK because last possible day. Idon't have much time today, so just added 2 refs (there was none), but still many things are unreferenced. Can you check if you can find something? One more day for Geszty. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * 3 more refs and 2 external links added. LouisAlain (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for searching, and the Hochschule one is a real treasure!! I dropped the postcard, because other refs have enough pictures of her. We have a solid book ref for the recording, no need for 3 extra commercial sites. I kept one for external link. I didn't ask for any number of links mentioning her name, but references for the unreferenced items, like her father an organist and teaching her, and her grave. - Back from lovely cycling, - enjoy spring! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry to say that on looking closer, the Hochschule reproduces what Wikipedia and Bach Cantatas say, which is both not considered reliable ;) - I leave it because of a nice image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
The article Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vami IV -- Vami IV (talk) 05:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Mariä Heimsuchung, Wiesbaden
DYKUpdateBot (talk) 00:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Trois Chansons (Ravel)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much, Gerda, for helping push Did you know nominations/Cynthia García Coll to the finish line. I really appreciate the help. 28bytes (talk) 15:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome! Overdue, like the 3 chansons which were supposed to appear on Ravel's birthday, 7 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice to have here on the Main page togerther with my Angels (below)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Horst Laubenthal
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Franz Mazura this month
He's singing Meister Hans Schwarz later this month in MEISTERSINGER at Staatsoper Unter den Linden!

https://www.opera-online.com/en/items/productions/die-meistersinger-von-nurnberg-staatsoper-unter-den-linden-berlin-2019-2019

(Like the Energizer Bunny, he just keeps going, and going, and going.........)

HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That's wonderful, - sound like singing provides energy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

"Was ist der Tod-- ein Übergang zur Ruh'!"
Now: Ruth-Margret Pütz.

http://www.operanostalgia.be/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCl6VptCs0&t=6655s

HandsomeMrToad (talk) 04:54, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Changing plans again, hear her voice now! - Und dann an deiner Seite ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * At it: Ruth-Margret Pütz --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * GRuban, images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, couldn't find any. My hit rate is maybe 20%, which isn't enough to give up searches entirely, but nothing that should be relied on. Did find one for Jeff Berry (mixologist) which you recently added to your user page, though, if that is anything! --GRuban (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - your find may be interesting for the DYK nom I reviewed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know: "I ask him to find images for articles I write, and he can't; instead he finds images I never asked for!" But still, yet another for an article you possibly wish you had never touched (honestly, I don't understand why what you wrote upset that person) ; Louis Treumann. --GRuban (talk) 16:45, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That person and also some others get upset when seeing my name, regardless of what I write in a specific instance, old stories, summarized best (shortest) as - When I saw the nice images you added I was instinctively tempted to write an infobox, but remembered soon enough ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Regarding your excursion to opera: see? Die lustige Witwe is perhaps the best-known operetta, was Hitler's favourite, see Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz. I am quite proud that I recently helped stopping the nonsense of saying that Rossini composed The Barber of Seville, but can lick some wounds of trying to move articles such as The Flying Dutchman (opera) (2013) and A Mighty Fortress Is Our God (last year, still hurts). If you have an extra minute, please take a look at the current move discussion of Der geteilte Himmel, I mean Divided Heaven (novel). O Heaven, here we are saying without blushing that a socialist idealist wrote about Heaven ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Er ... I hope it's all right if I'm going to stay out of that one. I am not a German speaker, have not read the novel, and while your point certainly sounds logical, I did a quick search, and most of the articles about the author and book I found do, unfortunately, say Heaven or Heavens. This one does say Sky, admittedly: . But still, I'll leave it to more knowledgeable heads than mine. --GRuban (talk) 17:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I want Himmel, not Sky, and I don't care how many use a misleading translation. See, that's what makes people upset ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also ... unless my eyes have gotten much worse in the last few seconds ... our article The Barber of Seville still says "by Gioachino Rossini" - no? --GRuban (talk) 17:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Forgive me, I'm jumping into this late, but is someone alleging that Rossini did NOT compose The Barber of Seville??? Please advise!!  HandsomeMrToad (talk) 18:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * He composed Il barbiere di Siviglia (known in English as The Barber of Seville). Read the composer's article ;) - She wrote Der geteilte Himmel (translated as ... and ...). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Denn er hat seinen Engeln befohlen
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Theo Akkermann
Re Theo Akkermann: For the life of me, how could have I known about the template? Now I know you're a secret HTLM teacher under the disguise of an innocent Wikipedian. Thanks a lot for your intervention. LouisAlain (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I am bad in html but a good copycat. I observed the mode=packed and its stunning impression first on Monterrey Aquarium, and put it to some use for Unionskirche, Idstein, + my images which you may have seen, just not looked how it happens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks

 * The following is history. Comments about my history are not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

It's hard to know what else I can do there. The underlying edits are obvious, but I don't really want to get, even a clear dickhead, blocked. -- Begoon 13:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That's noble, and I guess RexxS will agree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The 3 p's bloke is clearly evading a block. But that's not the point. Rexx should be an admin. So should you, but I digress. -- Begoon 14:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I wonder how many got Precious several times without me knowing. I am hopeful that the crats can see what Iridescent and Opabinia regalis wrote. I don't want to be an admin, I don't get the article work done that I would like to (and sometimes don't like but feel have to like this wonderful singer mentioned above and had no article in English), and I wouldn't want to cut back Precious even if I misjudge at times. I smiled when I read Opppose when I searched for the triple p ;) - some like it seasoned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've never seen you do anything that didn't have the best interests of the encyclopedia at its core. More than that, you explain why you do what you do. I use cooking salt even for seasoning - it's harsh but teaches restraint. -- Begoon 14:46, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * About time to blush again ;) - Restraint: I said (RexxS talk) I'd rather bite my tongue than return to the RfA, and it's partly bitten, I can tell you. Words such as "whitewashed" make me so angry ... - have music about guardian angels on the Main page, much nicer! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I do try to be restrained. Sometimes I fail. -- Begoon 15:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "I wonder how many got Precious several times without me knowing." That doesn't matter. I open doors for people all the time. It's a habit which makes me feel good for doing it and the recipient feel good for having it done. If someone were to tell me that I just opened a door for someone who might not 'really' have 'deserved' it, for whatever 'good reason', I doubt I'd change my behaviour. Nor should you. -- Begoon 13:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't say I regret, just wonder. My friend with the many names got a third on purpose, of course, but another friend with several names less so ;) - kafkaesque --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Life isn't fair. I miss that  rabbit too. He's 'good people'... -- Begoon 14:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, but I wish the other had written Cucurbita under the Kafka name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ruth-Margret Pütz
<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I was looking through old talk page archives and remembered I'd told you about this lovely take on a Bach-influenced four part harmony fugue. I think the Picardy third at the end is quite nice. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing and pointing that out, - lovely hopeful major ending also ;) - I am sure you enjoyed Sara Hershkowitz's performance listed, Le Grand Macabre (Ligeti knew it all). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Note
Hi Gerda. I have long appreciated your music submissions and defended their inclusion at DYK even though they attract much fewer hits than other hooks. But lately I've been disturbed by the fact that you're insisting on your own wording even when (a) other editors question the hookiness and (b) the wording doesn't align with English grammar. I'm particularly bothered by the way you insisted on your wording against the better judgment of the reviewer and myself at Template:Did you know nominations/Psalm 70, and wording that is not at all hooky at Template:Did you know nominations/Patrick Lange (conductor). In the past you've stated that we are "educating" people about music through these hooks, but judging by the low number of clicks your hooks get, I don't think the people that need to be educated are even interested. I think you should strongly consider what wrote on one of the reviews: Well we are writing for general audiences, and what might be considered "typical" or "common" to one group (for example Christians) may be unusual to those of other backgrounds. We also have many new reviewers who are not as easily convinced that your hooks will pull in readers. I wish you would consider being a little more flexible about the wording, with the result that more people will read your articles. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I just wrote two adjustments for one, and was interrupted by this ping for the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was too hasty. Thank you for coming up with a much better hook for Template:Did you know nominations/Zeige uns, Herr, deine Allmacht und Güte. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I hope you won't take what was written above personally; editors are here to help not to disparage. With that said, what Yoninah said above has some truth to it. I personally don't care about page views and for me at least, being featured on the main page at all is the accomplishment. But with that said, hooks need to be worth reading even to an uninterested reader. Say, for example, a hook about pottery that could appeal to someone whose interest is, say, K-Pop. Instead of trying to focus too much on niche aspects, why not try to highlight unusual or interesting aspects of a person's life or a work? You could try writing hooks that even a casual reader would easily understand and appreciate, making them likely to click on the article and then be educated about the significance of the work or the artist. Boring hooks only discourage readers from learning more about the subject, but quirky things make people curious. That's why they're called hooks in the first place ;-) Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:10, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's past midnight, and that was exactly what I needed. - Call me stubborn but I like to mention music for musicians, not something quirky however cute, and don't find music boring, and think those who do won't like the articles anyway. - But seriously, I need sleep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How am I suppposed to take something if not personally? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Siegfried Vogel
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Bohumil Herlischka
When you engaged into corrections you really mean business! This level of perfection is far beyond my means. LouisAlain (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, draft:Bohumil Herlischka - one of the legendary names from when I was young, - sadly never saw his work, sooo --- I'd like to make him DYK, and you wrote too much for an easy expansion. Bday 25 April, so not much time to loose. I think I'm almost there. In draft space, you can't even check DYK, sigh. I asked 3 people nw to have it moved to where readers see it. So proud I found place and date of birth which were not on the German Wikipedia ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Merkel's mother
RD? Unfortunately, there's no separate article about her. – Sca (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick Lange (conductor)
Materialscientist (talk) 00:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Alex Romero
To my surprise, that image was retained! Thanks again for your help and good advice with that DYK. Coretheapple (talk) 13:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I liked it, - sometimes DYK is better than its reputation. Today's image is the first in a series of four that I reviewed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * They enlarged the image, which helped I think. I love doing these DYKs on minor historical figures who aren't well known, one of my dwindling reasons to contribute here. Thanks again. Coretheapple (talk) 15:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, enlarged you at least see the shoeshiners head as such ;) - Keep doing what you do, please, I love it. - Today, I had my DYK no. 1200, about a man on his birthday, and I hook I don't like ;) - such is life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you (anybody reading this) have a bit of free time: my friend LouisAlain also has a faible for minor historic personallities, translated from French and German. Many of them were sent to draft space, or tagged. I list them here, - please free from draft by improving and moving, add refs, clean prose, report improvements. Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Zeige uns, Herr, deine Allmacht und Güte
Materialscientist (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

... that Raymund Weber wrote "Zeige uns, Herr, deine Allmacht und Güte" to be sung with a modern melody, but it appears in the German Catholic hymnal with a Baroque melody?

ITN recognition for Werner Bardenhewer
Espresso Addict (talk) 18:20, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hansgünther Heyme
Materialscientist (talk) 00:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Take a look at this
Hi, Gerda, I bet you'll enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARnWD7qPQ4

HandsomeMrToad (talk) 03:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I will, when I have extra time, looks interesting, especially Mazura. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you for sweetness out of the blue, or out of the colourful! - I try, but there are limits ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Limits? Try to find the end of a limit...it doesn't exist. You're an intellectual woman with a powerful mind. I don't see your limitations, only your potential and your particular genius. Geoffroi (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Bohumil Herlischka where I am not able to express what I mean, about: if I have only one sentence to speak about a person's life achievements, I want that to be his best, regardless of that it may not be of interest to the general reader, just believing firmly that it should interest the general reader. I'll say the same thing there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Assessment request for Adele Spitzeder re. FAC chances
Hi there. Since you are one of the most prolific writers on the project and listed as a mentor for WP:FAC, would you mind giving me an opinion whether there is any chance to successfully nominate Adele Spitzeder (recently GA'd) for FA status? The pinnacle of my content writing are the seven GAs I collected so far but I never tried for FA before. Regards So  Why  11:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I will but not right now. Busy real life and sad things (see top). For FAC, I am a latecomer, and without one for this year so far, - you may be better off asking aothers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * At a glance: looks good. Details to follow later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the first glance. If you are busy, I completely understand, I just looked for someone who speaks German and thus can understand the references without needing translation. So if you don't have time to do it, feel free to point me in the direction of someone else you think qualified and I won't bother you with it anymore  Regards  So  Why  08:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I am busy, see below, the week with singing four days in a row, and then a funeral, but next week may work. I thought of the writer of today's TFA, and the one for the Easter TFA, but they don't read German afaik, so just patience, please. If you see me archiving this without action please remind me, otherwise I will notice every time I archive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You might want to try Jo-Jo Eumerus. &#8209; Iridescent 08:30, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I got Iridescent's ping. I know nothing about the topic at all so I can't help that much but I can translate and check sources; I'll watchlist Featured article candidates/Adele Spitzeder/archive1 in the meantime. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I understood that we are requested to say if turning the red link blue is a good idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be super-helpful. FA is an area I've never been active in before, so I'll take any help I can get. And Gerda, please do feel free to decline if it's too much. I really understand and I won't harbor any negative feelings, I promise. Regards  So  Why  09:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps look at today's TFA, also a woman, comparing to "yours", and look at that one's FAC (linked from the talk page), seeing what questions are typically asked. For preparation of any article: look for no duplicate links (unless justified), alt text for all images, proper licenses for them, full presentation of sources, a lead that covers the topic succinctly, etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You might also want to ask some of the people who've written 19th-century biographies like SchroCat and Wehwalt to take a look. A few thoughts:
 * One thing that leaps out at me is the inconsistent referencing, with three instances of the wretched rp template but other references using cite book normally;
 * There are some very sprawling sentences like For health reasons, Spitzeder was incarcerated in the prison in Baader Street, Munich, where she wrote her memoirs, which included plans for the future after her release, such as opening a brewery in the Au, a large restaurant in western Munich and a horse racing track near Nymphenburg Palace, none of which came to fruition. which need to be broken up;
 * There are also little stylistic glitches like a mixture of "actress" and "actor";
 * Like all Ponzi schemes, her business relied solely on acquiring new customers quickly enough to pay existing customers with the newly acquired money may have four citations but is flat-out untrue; this doesn't describe most Ponzi schemes let alone all of them, as in almost all cases (including Ponzi himself) they start off as genuine investment schemes that continue operating rather than declaring themselves insolvent when the investment fails to generate the guaranteed return;
 * Are we sure File:Grab-Anna-Schmid-Friedrich-Schmid-Anna-Schmid-Alter-Suedl-Friedhof-Muenchen-GF-18-14-26.jpg is actually her grave? There are three names on the gravestone, none of which is "Adele" and none of the dates tally
 * If this goes to FAC, expect a lot more nitpicking of this kind, as I'm by no means the most nitpicky of the reviewers and the above is just from a very quick skim. I don't normally recommend it, but in this case it might be worth putting it at WP:PR, which gets this kind of nitpicking out of the way before the glare of FAC, and also has the advantage that you can invite people to comment if you think they'd be interested without any concerns about canvassing. &#8209; Iridescent 20:58, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and yes, peer review is something I'd recommend before a first FAC. I have one open, did you know? SchroCat is the author of today's TFA, recommended further up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Heinz Hoppe
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks like there is an image of Heinz Hoppe on Deutsche Fotothek, http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/70244824. Hoppe seems to be the seated one on the left, with the remarkable eyebrows. Would you happen to know who the standing person to the right could be? Not strictly necessary, we probably want to crop to Hoppe for the article anyway, but it could be useful. --GRuban (talk) 16:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the find, - sory, I don't know who the other one is, might be a pianist for a recital. Do we know anything about the occasion? - Next DYK: Margit Schramm, TV shows and all, a very public person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey
There's many a times I've felt down and there's not much help to go around these days, but I've seen you around and I'm glad you do what you do. I saw you're going through some trying times and I thought I should tell you about a documentary of a particular neighbour of mine, Fred Rogers. Here's the trailer: YouTube, watch it sometime if you're feeling out of it, you'll feel a lot better. It's the least I could do. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">qedk (t 桜 c) 19:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it's great! Singing also helps, this week more than any other of the year: Monday rehearsal, Tuesday rehearsal, Thursday - Friday - Saturday - Sunday all singing in services. Next Tuesday funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wish you all courage for Tuesday. He will be in my thoughts. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">qedk (t 桜 c) 07:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - He lived a blessedly long life of good influence on others, so we can't complain. I was still shocked, because I had just attended the inspiring service he gave in thanks for his 90th birthday on 24 February. I took an pictured which is to be deleted, because there's some art hanging in the room, - that bothers me, - it's like deleting memory. Am I happy that - for a change - I had written already for the birthday, not too soon. The list of deaths is awfully long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Franz Mazura's OTHER Berg role
Hi Gerda! Everyone knows about Franz Mazura's legendary portrayal of Dr. Schoen in the Grammy-winning Lulu from the Met. But he also sang a different Doktor in a different opera by the same composer. Here, enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbboAfpOzpU&t=530s

HandsomeMrToad (talk) 19:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * enjoying, amazing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

A surreal barnstar for you!
That is lovely, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, Gerda. How's it going for you recently? :) starship.paint ~  KO   10:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Look above, most intense week of the year, and a funeral to come. On Wikipedia: Many GA-noms waiting for a review, a discussion about "interesting to the general reader" on WP:DYK, another one there about trying to get a kitsch (for me at least) image, coming with a little article to which it has no connection, to the Main page for Easter, a deletion request for an image showing the one to be buried because art is hanging on the walls in the room, translated articles by a friend sent to draft because they don't follow our referencing guidelines yet, not to speak about the topic I try hard to avoid ;) - But on the positive side: good collaborations, nice DYKs, and even a GA - about an Advent song, - patience is really helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow all really that seems like a lot. Congrats and well done on the GA, and full support for your upcoming work Gerda! :) starship.paint ~  KO   11:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And how about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia, I'm editing more American politics now. Less wrestling, since I watch less WWE because it's bad TV. In real life, I have quite a lot of work, I should probably get off Wikipedia and do that... starship.paint ~  KO   11:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Christus, der uns selig macht
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Die sieben Worte Jesu Christi am Kreuz
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Popule meus (Victoria)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Good Friday, reverts, and WikiEdu student editors
I'm abashed that I confused you. The two different editors adding stuff to history section were "student editors" in a course partly involving WP editing. See Wiki_Ed/University_of_Maryland/Introduction_to_Information_Studies_(Spring_2019) and search for 'Friday'. They were asked to spew forth on that article, so they did, and not well.

I'm looking at what a few students have done, and it's not all bad. But they tend toward essays inserted.

And one was responding to a "expand section" note. Only... is this not absolutely bonkers? Hey, we have a whole article on History of Japanese cuisine, but instead, could someone add some history to article Japanese cuisine? (Oh, and that link was already in article already).

The instructor has not yet responded to my question User_talk:Musicofasianamerica. I'm interested, because it should be possible to have learners without requiring other editors to cleanup? Shenme (talk) 05:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I confess that I didn't look into the whole thing as deeply as I should/would have with more time. There ae limits to treating a general article, such as Good Friday, around Good Friday, as a training ground, and if something is trained, WP:BRD might be a topic to learn about. We had Draft space, and a new article about some obscure subject might also be fine, but what we offer to thousands of readers shouldn't be the arbitrary product of someone learning, who perhaps didn't even understand where a topic belongs. Going to sing for Good Friday, playlist on top. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jörg Demus
Espresso Addict (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sicut cervus (Palestrina)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
Gerda, I was about to nominate you for editor of the week when I was horrified to notice that I was not the first person to reach that same conclusion and that you refuse. In fact they have that there to forestall future nominations apparently. Come on. I will nominate you but I want your assurance you'll say yes this time. Coretheapple (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Coretheapple, I never said no. I said that there are many who get less recognition. Just look around on this page: I get enough! I don't have user boxes on my user page except Kafka, and I was recently singled out as the most disruptive infobox-warrior, - a rare distinction! - please award others ;) - And which week would you take? - Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh I think any week would be fine! I have noticed quietly how you bring civility to the project and I think that is a rare quality and deserves recognition (apart from your other fine work). Civility gets insufficient attention here, and it is a shame. Coretheapple (talk) 15:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I caused people to write things they knew when writing they might regret, - civility?? Still Happy Easter, - we do it 2 days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Margit Schramm
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ferry Gruber
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

200,000
Now that's a milestone! Jmar67 (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't have noticed, thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , very cool! --valereee (talk) 16:40, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Der kleine Tag
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jens Harzer
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Hannelore Elsner
Espresso Addict (talk) 22:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Heather Harper
Stephen 22:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Friedrich Achleitner
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ellen Schwiers
Espresso Addict (talk) 11:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

May you join this month's editathons from WiR!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging


 * yes, I put 2 on my list for their birthdays, nice idea! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bent Norup
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sylvia Bretschneider
Espresso Addict (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Rosl Schwaiger
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Gertrud Schiller
Hi Gerda, this is a terrible translation from the German of this art historian. Any chance of checking the prose? Best, Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking, John, - I will look at Gertrud Schiller after the morning round of giving thanks, but have little time today and all week, - you might want to also ask at project Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We now also have a deletion discussion, sigh, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So that's all sorted now - many thanks for your help! I have the 2 volumes in English, which are invaluable. Johnbod (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda Arendt, Johnbod, I have made some changes to bring the article into line with Schiller's typed memoirs, let me know if you disagree with anything. I wikilinked social pedagogue as it is not a well known term in the UK (or US to judge by the Wikipedia article). I think the article still needs some work as it was cleaned up in a hurry to avoid deletion. A couple of questions: can the hidden text about 1919 be deleted? Can I replace not allowed higher education with not allowed to take the Abitur at her school and therefore could not study art history at university? (Wikipedia is lacking in detail but suggests that women could go to university in parts of Germany at the time.)TSventon (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead as you like, I'll watch but have many other things where I'm behind what I want to do. Will be mostly off tomorrow as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Der geteilte Himmel
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sca, this was possible thanks to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

hymns template and size
I was wondering how you would feel if I used only English names for hymns with both German and English titles, with the German name as a mouseover using the method I demonstrated for Template: Lutheran hymns. For psalm-based hymns, I could also include the psalm in the mouseover. (This would be no problem for Mighty Fortress, since Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott is a redirect to Mighty Fortress.) The main reason I want to do this is to make the template smaller, since at this size it could be obtrusive. If you are alright with it, don't think I need to ask anyone else, but let me know if I should.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * No good feelings, sorry. Look at the move discussion of Der geteilte Himmel, please. The template is big, and I seriously don't think anybody uses it. I think you'd make more impact writing an article List of Lutheran hymns, with a clear table, sortable by several things, alphabet, year, text source etc. - Luther and colleagues wrote in German, Bach and colleagues set the German, at least Bach's works are performed in German worldwide, - the German names are the common names, which I feel are the names people will search for. On top of me thinking a name is a name ;) - I feel it should be "Ein feste Burg ist uner Gott", not a firm castle is our God, nor a mighty fortress is our God. I feel strongly so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Instead, I think I will need to make a table of the hymns, similar to Template:Comparison among Protestants. It could still be a template, but it would show up on each page as collapsed. Possibly I could figure out how to add the blue arrow at the top to make it organizable alphabetically. The table will replace the present template, and it can reasonably accommodate more hymns.


 * If you prefer (I don't currently), the current template could be retained with only the most well known ones present (say, 15 of them).--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 15:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The purpose of the template is NOT to have the most well-known, - it's exactly the others who need to be pointed at. Please retain it as is, collapsed it doesn't hurt. Compare the navboxes for Bach cantatas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining your preference. I will not change it to a collapsible table template for now. Here is proof that people use the template: This well known hymn was added to the template on Feb. 22nd. See that months afterwards have record monthly views after adding it to the template. That said, you are looking at only maybe one extra reader each day due to the template.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Four award
You are now eligible to self-nominate for a Imperial Napoleonic Triple Crown. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Liselotte Hammes
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. DYK that I saw two of them at the Opernhaus Dortmund? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Günter Nöcker
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Katja Wulff
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

If you are interested
Hello Gerda. I hope you are well. The recently created article Concerto in C major for 2 Oboes, 2 Clarinets, Strings and Continuo RV 559 could use some work. It is used in one of the segments of the delightful film Allegro Non Troppo which is a favorite of mine so I thought of coming to you to see if anything can be done to improve the article. If it isn't something that you are interested in and/or you are too busy with other editing please do not feel in any way obligated to respond to this request. Thanks for your time and I hope you have a peasant week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:16, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I happen to be online for a few minutes, but can check eventually. I wonder why the instruments are all capital in that title. Thought it was Clarinet Concerto but Concerto for clarinet. Actually Concerto in C major, RV 559 (Vivaldi) would be enough, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply G. The editor who created it is a fan of the film as well. In fact they are a bit single minded about it. They also have some WP:CIR problems so the article may need moving per your suggestion. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello again. FYI a move has been suggested on the article talk page. It is slightly different from yours so, when you have the time, you might add your thoughts there. As you see I did post a link to this thread so other editors can see your messages. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 70
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Carmen Thomas
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Milnes
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Wedding March (Mendelssohn)
You edit stuff about music, right? Would you be interested in fixing an audio-file for this article, Wedding March (Mendelssohn), if that is possible? I how no idea what policy applies (well, copyright) or if there are any good resources for such things. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I usually stir around sound files, not familiar with copyright. No idea why this movement from Der Sommernachtstraum has an extra article. What precisely do you mean by "fix". this is free and brilliant even if I may not say so in Wikipedia's voice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * By "fix" I mean add an appropriate audiofile like in Bridal Chorus. And that is beautiful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have no better idea how to find a good one than you may have. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks anyway. And speaking of free and brilliant (well, not free):.


 * Btw, this movement from Der Sommernachtstraum has an extra article because it sounds like this: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * It has no article in German ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Luckily Ein gutes Omen does! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I also just helped some Agnes to German knowledge. Book title about her courageous life translates to "My full life without leg and hand", written by her son. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Btw again, that guitar-thing with the 2 meter neck in your clip was a merkwürdig instrument. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You mean the theorbo, a lute-thing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, I don't think I ever seen one before. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Here are a few more, concert on 1 September: Zink, Renaissance trombones, Dulzian, Lirone, Regal, + the usual strings and organs. Exciting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sackbut sounds like a german insult (note that I don't speak German). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Georg Katzer
Stephen 23:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. The only one in 2019 without an infobox (it's on the talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:16, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Heart icon on user page
Hey! I noticed you use an image for certain articles listed on your user page.

I assume the icon denotes articles that are related to WikiProject Women in Red. I was wondering if you'd be interested in replacing it with a template that would link to the WikiProject; the template would render like this (check the mouseover text):


 * Women in Red logo.svg

If you're interested, I could replace all current occurrences of the current icon with a template that displays the above. eπi ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Fine with me, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Danke nochmals!
Sehr nett von dir so zu notieren. Etwas besser zu machen soll man immer versuchen, ja? – Sca (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2019 (UTC)


 * ja! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks Gerda! You are too kind. Gosh - I was younger and perhaps slightly less D, B and K then ... tsk. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 21:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I though of you today. Went to an exhibition vernissage, there was also music, and they played - can you guess? - this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 12 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow, how lovely!!!! :) DBaK (talk) 22:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Wolfgang Meyer
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hedi Schoop
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Das Märchen von der schönen Lilie
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Carl Friedrich Abel
Hallo Gerda,

I had a CD 20 years ago that contained an aria by Abel called, I think, "La Bella La Grime". The CD included pieces by Abel, Arne, Boyce, and I think Handel. It was a favorite of mine, but the CD was lost. Do you know anywhere I can find this aria again? Google search in English hasn't given me anything. Geoffroi (talk) 00:17, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'd also have to ask Google. Woke up with "Ubi caritas et amor", see top right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ... which helped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25dKkJHeIxA Frena le belle lagrime, enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There it is! Thank you Gerda. Emma Kirkby is my #1 favorite modern soprano (my #2 is Anna Netrebko). Ah, to hear this beautiful music again, after 20 years! Have a great day! Geoffroi (talk) 23:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! Last time was this. - The first soprano who left a lasting impression was Yvonne Ciannella, the second Teresa Żylis-Gara, and I hope they live. - So sad that Fylbecatulous silently left, in October, and I noticed only yesterday. Her daughter askd to leave her cats, so I gave her this one. - I heard the concert below (because I have a friend in the women's choir Carpe Diem. Quite amazing, these girls sang the whole program! All contemporary. The conductor, Judith Kunz, conducted us in rehearsals of diocese projects. In Limburg, she conducted part of the program. The review is good and detailed, nutshell: the two most accomplished choirs of all-female voices in the region. And we have not even an article Women's choir. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Mädchenkantorei Limburg
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven
Dear Gerda, I have remade the lists sortable. I'm not sure which translation your referring to but I'll happily put it back in. I'm general I'm trying to make the list of Beethoven's compositions more comprehensive and more rationally laid out. I'm using the catalogue in the Grove Dictionary of Musicians to do this. However, I am completely new at editing Wikipedia pages so I would be glad of any help and assistance from someone more experienced. Yours Hochithecreator (talk) 17:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hochithecreator, thank you for coming over, and adjusting, and undertaking the whole thing. I am quite busy, so looked perhaps too superficially. I seemed to me that in one of your many edits, a long German term lost a translation. I'm on my way out to choir rehearsal, so have o time to check. I just trust you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ps: how about making a short user page, - users with red link user pages are someimes treated with suspicion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello again!
Hope all is well! I just wanted to say thank you for the kind messages you left me whilst I was away. :) I read each and every one of them, and I’m planning to return to editing properly next week; just taking things at my own pace for now, before going back into the areas I enjoyed the most. All the best! Patient Zerotalk 01:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de Paris composite transverse section
A new diagram, correcting and expanding the earlier diagram whose presence you favoured. Please let me know if it is unclear without annotations, or if you can think of improvements. HLHJ (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I like it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Help needed with gobbledegook!
Hi Gerda,

I wonder if you could unravel this gobbledegook for me. It's the möglichsten Unmöglichkeiten that I can't fathom! Here's the text:


 * "Dieses Spiel, wohl wenig bekannt, wird von zwei Spielern gespielt und beinhaltet insoferne eine Abwechslung, als die möglichsten Unmöglichkeiten und umgekehrt zustande kommen, aber jedenfalls Unterhaltung, ohne Anspruch auf besonderen Spiel-Ernst zu erheben, bringt." Bermicourt (talk) 15:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Just translating, without context: "the most possible impossibilities". My favourite translator says the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And the reverse. The most impossible possibilities, presumably. This sounds like a nonsense joke. Strictly, "possible" and "impossible" are not comparative in English; man kann die nicht steigern. You're stuck with "more likely", "less probable", "more difficult", "most astonishing", "harder to imagine", and so on. Might it be translated as "the most unexpected surprises and surprising expectations"? Bermicourt, your German is better than mine. HLHJ (talk) 01:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's an oxymoron. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget that it's obviously an older text ("insoferne"), so possibly we need to take that into account, + it's a playful (spielerisch) thing aboout a game (Spiel). Moonraker? - What would be a short oxymoron of similar meaning in English? Perhaps better than a translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:48, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, to try to make it sound more sensible would be to change it and not to translate it. I see no problem with "most possible impossibilities". (It isn't gobbledegook, that is much harder to translate.) Moonraker (talk) 07:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone, that's helpful. It's a conundrum, but you've reminded me that Möglichkeit frequently has other senses like 'option' or 'opportunity' and Unmöglichkeit can refer to a situation that is extreme, but not quite impossible, a bit like the English expression "you're just impossible". So I'm thinking that möglichsten Unmöglichkeiten may mean something like "most extreme/unusual game situations" (because you can exchange eight of your sixteen cards which could result in an otherwise very unlikely hand - in reality a "most extreme distribution of the cards") and that unmöglichsten Möglichkeiten may simply be "most unlikely opportunities". So, knowing how the game works, I wonder if the intended sense was that "it's a game in which [compared with other Tarock games] the most unusual situations and unlikely opportunities occur". Bermicourt (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd avoid "most" in that phrase, and perhaps just saying that more than usual is left to chance might say a similar thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Request for advice
Hello. You don't know me, but I have come to you for advice because you are listed on the FAC mentors list. I am interested in getting Obligation to Negotiate Access to the Pacific Ocean to GA or FA status. Do you think that this is possible? If so, what would you recommend doing first? Thanks, StudiesWorld (talk) 11:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking. You go GA first, is my advice. First thing striking me is the discrepancy between article name (italic) and bold title in the article, and in the infobox it's a completely different title, second thing: an image left that could as well be right. Please go through WP:GA, check the criteria, and when you think they are met, nominate for GA. Waiting for a reviewer sometimes needs patience, - and I don't do it, as not a native speaker. You can ping me here when you nominate, or ask someone for a review who does it well. After GA, peer review, seeking input from the community. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Ulrich Tadday
I'll never know what your secrets are LouisAlain (talk) 13:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I use google, simple as that, but now write it again without copyright violation please. I spen too much time on the guy to have him deleted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * See how it helps. A deletion of the main text as I did in the first place was a more clever thing to do than deleting the whole article. Now there are several links to this former page that lead to nowhere. From now on I think I'll specialize on stubs with vital statistics only. LouisAlain (talk) 13:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Removed or not, Fram would have deleted it, because the copyrighted info was in the article history. I ask you again to please write it from scratch again, as a stub, why not. Sources can be found in the deletion discussion and in Fram's edit summary when deleting. That can be used as a ref, just not word by word. And yes, you and I had no way of telling it was copied in the German version. We just know that they often do it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Kirchner
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

June events with WIR
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thank you!
Hello Gerda, thank you for the sapphire and your kind message. Not sure if my "to do list" is getting any shorter - I keep getting waylaid. LG Felixkrater (talk) 11:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My to-to-list (on my user page, and more hidden than not) always get's longer ;) - Thank you for coming over! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Abuse of thanks button
Can I ask why you are thanking a sock who has been trolling me for the past couple of days?  Cassianto Talk  16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I thank a lot, and should have checked it out. "Abuse" seems a strong word. - Interesting what you have time for. I have never ever checked who thanks whom for what. Welcome back, btw. Psalm 84, to continue our last discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe if you spent a little less time shit stirring, and more time being collegial with people with differing opinions to you, people might help you out. The "thank" abuse is indicative to my point.  Cassianto Talk  18:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Do you know anyone around here who could...
Do an edit review of a List I have worked on from time to time? I was thinking of submitting it for Featured List consideration but the process for FL seems even more opaque to me than FA... Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:18, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not familiar with FLs at all. I tried once and gave up. Anyone watching who could help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Celestina Casapietra
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Amusing
Hallo Gerda. Take a quick look at Talk:Disappearance of Clayton Kratz. I came across it doing assessments. The number of wikiproject tags made me laugh. I hope you're having a good day. I'm listening to Emma Kirkby performing pieces by Handel, Mozart, and my favorite, Vivaldi. Geoffroi (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy listening. Preparing Brahms, Franck and Nystedt (two rows). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hannelore Elsner
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gerd Heinz
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Apologies
My sincere apologies for my outburst two or three days ago. At the end of a sleepless night, I was in a really bad mood and it showed. Now that I have cooled down I realize I should have kept my big mouth shut.

Kudos for your edits on Kieth Engen, I'm no match to your skills. Hope you can get a DYK ranking with it. LouisAlain (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Lilian Benningsen is on my to-do list. LouisAlain 21:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the apologies. Keeping the mouth shut is an art ;) - When I archive something, I am done with it. - Engen was on my to-do-list. Too bad that the Kutsch/Riemens page doesn't show, but Bayreuth is more or less the same. (Operissimo also, so one of them is enough.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Kieth Engen fits nicely today, birthday of a friend who is a bass singer with the Renaissance Street Singers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Dieter Mathoi
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Elżbieta Szmytka
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow. Thank you for all your awesome contributions Gerda. Govindaharihari (talk) 06:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Two one day is something they avoid ;) - Cassianto, what do you think of the Symphony of Sorrowful Songs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

DS Alert
The boilerplate is necessary because you haven't had a notificaton since March 2018. However, it's a matter of public record that you have been sanctioned several times over the subject of infoboxes and have had difficulty letting go. I'm not leaving this message here because I want to stir the pot or cause rancour - not at all - in fact I've been mulling over whether to drop this here pretty much since yesterday evening. However, I think I'm now at the point where I don't nip this in the bud, one of you or Cassianto (who FWIW has already been Arbcom sanctioned and hence does not need an alert) is going to end up on a Dramaboard somewhere with all sorts of yelling and shouting. I'll repeat what I said on my talk yesterday, "Gerda is here to improve the encyclopedia and it shows with the numerous DYKs that turn up on the main page. I release she does inadvertently irritate people, but - heck - so do I." <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Kafka is never far when infoboxes are debated ;) - lol --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I present you with the great honour of... a kitten!

El_C 17:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>


 * Love it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
And another one from me.

Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>


 * Thank you, Voce, lovely! Just returning from Rodelinda, with Lucy Crowe and Andreas Scholl singing that unearthly duet, - and happy I don't have to fill red links, but took care of their articles long ago, the latter with help from Eric Corbett, - that long ago. Other: Katharina Magiera, Martin Mitterutzner, Jakub Józef Orliński and Božidar Smiljanić (bass-baritone), Andrea Marcon conducting, staged (for Madrid, Lyon, Frankfurt, Amsterdam next) Claus Guth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * ps: kitten-givers, would you donate one to Fylbecatulous, as her daughter requested? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. I hope her daughter likes it, even though I did stray away from domestic kitties. El_C 17:57, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * adorable! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, Cassianto, how about you passing a cat to her? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you mean real cats, my last one (that sits on my talk page) died six years ago. I wrote Pink cat with Fylbecatulous in mind, I can't believe she's no longer with us. :-( <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, I mean a cat on her talk, as Begoon understood. Thank you for the Pink cat! - Did you see Kieth Engen? Created by LouisAlain, improved by me (the normal team work), but also be Grimes2, Kablammo and Voce. - that's how I love editing! Always listen to Voce, DYK? Especially when she says - Hook suggestion wanted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I was truly shocked and saddened. en.wiki isn't the only place I knew her - she was a deeply thoughtful and genuine character with a kind and occasionally, pleasantly cutting sense of humour. I'll miss her. -- Begoon 05:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Gerda, if you need a hook for Engen, I've added more material which could work. Apart from his pop career as "Stan Oliver", there's how his height got him his first job at the Bavarian State Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer! Let's do it this way: I make a proposal, and you add ALTs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In real life, I knew a young man who after school in Germany went to see the world, which took the unusually tall slim person to a beach in China, where a film producer saw him and offered him a role as an American soldier in a movie, which was delayed because of political controversy, so the young man got to know the producer's daughter better, - he wrote home that he needed papers to get married. 2 children. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I read that and thought of Simon Bates' "Our Tune". <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I prefer "our tune" much to the DS which I'll stubbornly not archive until the year ends. DYK that all I did in the field in 2019 was one comment in a RfC? The misunderstanding with Cassianto (resolved) wasn't even about the dreaded topic, but my for an edit that seemed unrelated, at least to me. I offered help with his DYK in good faith, and couldn't help remembering  (but would not have mentioned it in the DYK process had it happened). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My litmus test to how well I'm going to get on with an editor is to check their last 100 mainspace contributions, paying attention to edit summaries and how far back they go. Somebody with manual edit summaries, doing large additions, that goes back about 48 hours is great. Somebody with none, and mainspace edits going back a year; probably somebody I'm going to have "discussions" with. And for reference, mine (29 May) yours (1 June), Cassianto (9 May) and The Duke of Nonsense (4 September 2018). Spot the odd one out. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have to, I hope. - #1: I try to get along with every editor. (Admittedly not all try the same with me. One requested me to never thank them by click, for example.) #2: When I thank it's for one edit (only), not an attitude, nor an editor's behaviour in general. #3: I sometimes wish I could retract a thank-you-click, but - like edit summaries - they stay. This was one of them, even before "abuse" and "stir shit" appeared on my talk, and a friend who questioned that was lectured about assumptions on someone's education. - I don't stir shit, period. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Trying to get along illustrated: in 2013, in the middle of ARBINFOBOX, I had a nice discussion on an article talk page with the two major users "on the other side" of that case, and still wonder why the arbs didn't say: fine, we see that you can manage to get along, go in peace. Why? Warum? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Six Motets, Op. 82 (Kiel)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ruth Hesse
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
...for your kind note. I'm listening to some Nystedt right now – I was not familiar with this composer but I'll want to hear more! Ewulp (talk) 06:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * That's nice. The first thing I got to know was Immortal Bach, where he "composed" little, but created an extraordinary piece of reverence from the first 3 phrases of Komm, süßer Tod. Sung in 2012. Now preparing the Missa brevis for Pentecost. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

question
Hey, Gerda! Quick question about language policy -- per your understanding of it, does the 'use English' policy apply to two editors asking each other questions/giving each other explanations in their common language on their own user talk pages? (This is why I ask.) My assumption had always been that the policy was for article talk pages, wp pages, etc., but maybe I'm making a bad assumption? --valereee (talk) 12:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree that when two people discuss something on user talk pages which concerns only the two, their native language is fine. However, how often is that? The last time someone tried to address me in (slang) German (sorry, forgot where), I pointed out that it's not fair to others who may think there's a secret. To have both languages might be a compromise. I remember that Crisco - sadly missed - invited to approach him in Indonesian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was what made we wonder if I was assuming too much -- that it could look like whispering. :D --valereee (talk) 12:50, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello again
Hello again. Er, what did I do wrong here?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:00, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Before going to the archive, they go to WP:DYKSTATS, - I did that for you, as I said in the edit summary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure I can follow, but I guess I'll trust you on this one.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't notice any note of these steps on that page. Perhaps that could be added so people like me don't interfere or get the steps wrong.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It comes with every DYK credit. You only have to do the first step, not the second without a first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I got that. Thanks again. -- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 11:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine! Do you still do GA reviews? I have a few open, look for "Quality" on my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Ernst Christoph Dressler
So now that you've recused yourself, are you tempted to create the article on de.wiki? ;-) Scolaire (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, on DYK day ;) - I keep procrastinating the translation of Unita Blackwell that I planned when she died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Four Award

 * Congratulations, Gerda! – ♠Vami _IV†♠  02:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Vami! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jennifer Holloway
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

... in 2019, at the Oper Frankfurt, where it was not played since its premiere in 1912. Don't miss the video, where you can see her, and meet her (and the director) in interview. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:DYKSTATS
Please review the rules listed at WP:DYKSTATS, including this one: "This page aims to list the views originating from the DYK section of the main page. Some articles draw additional views unrelated to DYK. Those views are removed by subtracting a half sum on the days before and after, that is VX − (VX−1 + VX+1) / 2." This is the reason that Nancy Pelosi was listed at ~8k. --MrClog (talk) 18:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen anybody performing that calculation in months, but don't care. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Schneyder
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ernst Gutstein
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

... that Ernst Gutstein, a baritone who appeared as Faninal in New York and Dallas, created the title role of Perlimplin at the Schwetzingen Festival? - Here we have a great singer, internationally known with asignature role, couragious enough to sing a new title role, and we reduced the hook to a not notable role in an also rarely played opera, for the "appeal" of using a word similar to "castrato". It makes me unhappy. - Happy Pentecost, - in German we cecelebrate two days, - used to be three at Bach's time, DYK? - Don't miss Gutstein's article, if only for the great but unfree image that Voceditenore found. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Unionskirche, Idstein
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Unionskirche, Idstein you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of AhmadLX -- AhmadLX (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your notes about me... some of that stuff goes back a long way! &#42;Dan T.* (talk) 16:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, - that stuff is still there ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ruth-Margret Pütz
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

... that the artistry of Ruth-Margret Pütz, a leading coloratura soprano of the 1960s, was published in a 2018 Recital, including excerpts as Konstanze and Zerbinetta? RIP --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Re: Precious
Well! That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me on or off-wiki. EllenCT (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't tell those who tried ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
made my day - white response: Freundliche Vision, call it a vision of friendliness, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ria Thiele
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

R.e Guenther Schneider-Siemssen
Hi Gerda, thanks for publishing and revising my article - I hope this is the appropriate place to respond to your previous messages, I have no concept of what I'm doing on Wikipedia and made my account solely to provide long by-many- anticipated translation of the above mentioned page. Any additions to this are of course welcomed, as for the bit that needs substantiating with evidence, I shall ask his son, Alex, about this. Thank you for the help. - LiamRowe

LiamRowe (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi, thanks for your kind message. Always nice to be appreciated! Kosack (talk) 09:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Franz Kafka scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the Franz Kafka article has been scheduled to be rerun as today's featured article for July 3, 2019. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/July 3, 2019, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

We also suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors up to the day of this TFA. Thanks! <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  10:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Lovely, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your "kind words" and the gift as they are very much appreciated. Otr500 (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
I just this moment noticed your lovely New Year's greeting of Jan 1! I don't know how i have missed it, but thank you, and I hope you are having a prosperous year so far. rags (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, always a good idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth Bartlet (musicologist)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Elisabeth Erdmann-Macke
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Bernd Weikl's weird books
Hi Gerda! Did you know that Bernd Weikl has authored several books, including at least two about possible ethical implications of Wagner's influence on Hitler? But it's very difficult for me to find good sources, as I am posting in USA, and I don't speak German well enough to read it, and don't know how to access German publishing-records. Also, his books have not sold well and seem to be mostly objects of amusement and scorn in the opera-community. I found out about them by reading blogs, which are not good sources for Wikipedia, but the fact that he wrote them really should (IMHO) be mentioned in his Wikipedia article. (One good source-- the New York Review of Books-- mentions ONE of the books; other than that it's all blogs, plus online-bookstores' pages offering them for sale.)

Would you be able to find some better sources for this? Maybe by accessing some kind of German publication-record or equivalent of the US Library of Congress?

Thank you, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You go to his authority control (bottom of his page, find GND (German National Libraty) number 121000206, enter that in, reach http://d-nb.info/gnd/121000206, go to "Autor von" (author of), which has 12 publications, get to a list in bunches of 10, and can click on each one for details. I hope that helps. It's that easy to find detailed information about publications, - and we still have to write references. - To make it still easier, I'll add the template to his article. There's more authority control in other languages for him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Should we improve his aarticle? Little information, bare urls, - he deserves better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Unionskirche, Idstein
The article Unionskirche, Idstein you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 14 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Unionskirche, Idstein for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of AhmadLX -- AhmadLX (talk) 21:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ellen Schwiers
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Schachtschneider
DYKUpdateBot (talk) 00:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.
<3 LessHeard vanU (talk) 08:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK review request
Hi Gerda! I hate to impose, but I have a multiple-article DYK that I want to run on 1 July (Canada Day) and I was hoping you might have time to review one of the four articles that hasn't had attention yet. I'm not asking for you to pass it and don't want to appear to be canvassing for a good review, but would like an honest review. (I'll run the hook with fewer articles should one or more fail.) The nomination is at Template:Did you know nominations/1st Canadian Comedy Awards. The remaining articles are Made in Canada (a TV show which passed GA), 1st Canadian Comedy Awards (short), List of Canadian comedians (short) and Canadian Comedy Awards. Sorry for pestering you, and thanks for any help you can provide. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am busy today, and don't know yet about tomorrow. Will help if I get the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the timely DYK reviews!


 * In appreciation, here is a music box.


 * It's cute because it's tiny! – Reidgreg (talk) 22:48, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Lovely tiny, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Theater Saarbrücken
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Hirsch (conductor)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

July events from Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

DYK for Alfred Vökt
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Iván Erőd
Stephen 00:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sylvia Geszty
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Just popping in to say...
Hi Gerda! I hope you're well. I wanted to let you know that I'm feeling much, much better these days. Your continued support did not go unnoticed. I really can't thank you enough. x <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 20:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * that's great news, - after too many I had to pass Die Fliege in just the last few weeks! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ... and today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Help with new page
So I've created a new page for "List of compositions by Haydn", but it won't let me change the name to "List of compositions by Joseph Haydn" because that is a redirect to the Hoboken catalogue. It says to request a move but this is rather new to me and I'm not sure what to do. Would appreciate if you could help me out with this. Cheers, Hochithecreator (talk) 22:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * past midnight, ask Graham87 please - my admin friends resign and retire, but he is still with us, I believe. - Next time, change the redirect from the start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers, eventually worked out to edit the redirect page, just need to delete the duplicate page nowHochithecreator (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Copy-paste is usually not wanted, but if you are the only editor, you could put on top of the duplicate page, and instead of the word "reason" explain the case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I don't like wasting good edits, so I've history-merged the initial edits in. I also tagged the talk page while I was there. Graham 87 02:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Stephen Climax
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2019 (UTC) Today at the same house: La Damnation de Faust, staged by Harry Kupfer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Golem (Casken opera)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Damiano Michieletto sentence
I apologize for my error in reviewing your ALT hook for the Damiano Michieletto DYK nomination, and I have now approved the nomination. However, in the article, the following sentence still needs clarification, and I intend to delete it if you are unable to clarify it (within the next few days): "It was the first production by the company that had produced the world premiere in 1912." I checked, and rechecked, the two cited sources, and I still cannot figure out what you intended to say with that sentence. If "it" means the 2019 production, clearly the sentence cannot be correct, because it says the same company had produced the 1912 production, and therefore the 2019 one cannot have been its "first" production. Maybe if I were an opera enthusiast I could deduce what the sentence was intended to say, but I am not an opera enthusiast, and I cannot make sense of the sentence as currently written. SJ Morg (talk) 06:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about my grammar. How can "first after that premiere" be said, and elegantly? I probably won't find a source for no production at the house in between, so just for curiosity. Der ferne Klang. The dedication of the production to Michael Gielen is prominently displayed at the opera house, who began the (worldwide) Schreker revivel with Die Gezeichneten in 1979. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Nicolas Joel has been accepted
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regarding stub criteria
Hi Gerda: thanks for your message. There are criteria for stub assessment, (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment), but they note that there is more to it than just quality and priority grades... however, perhaps I should have assessed Anke Sieloff as start or higher since it does look it does have information about her career until recently. The problem with assessment in my mind is that it's a subjective thing and an editor can easily miss something or can have a difference of opinion about the quality. I hope this helps explain my reasoning. I am certainly open to reassessing the article, if you think it should be a higher class. Thanks --FeanorStar7 14:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Understand. Of course it was stub when created but wasn't today when you assessed. - For me, a stub is an unreferenced one-liner, and almost everything sourced and a bit longer would be start, but that's my subjectivism. I plan to take the singer to DYK (after expanding a bit more, not today though), and "stub" disqualifies for that, and I wouldn't like to "correct" you without at least asking. Perhaps keep the article watched, and reassess when you feel it meets your criteria. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again, thank you for your understanding. Yes, I'm happy to make it a start so that you can take it to DYK, especially if you plan to add more info. Another problem I have encountered for example, is that other people have assessed various articles as C or higher which are obviously stubs. I don't change those, because then I usually get an editor saying that I shouldn't have changed it... I will change the assessment for Anke Sieloff now. Best regards, FeanorStar7 14:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure how
I'm not entirely sure how to fix bare URL references. Can you point me to instructions, please? HandsomeMrToad (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There are different referencing styles, but to my knowledge, a bare url is not wanted in any of them. Minimum: title and website, better additionally: author's last name, first name, publisher, date/year, language, accessdate. I do that templated to avoid mistakes, cite web. There are examples in the Bernd Weikl article, - you could just copy one and adapt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure how
I'm not entirely sure how to fix bare URL references. Can you point me to instructions, please? HandsomeMrToad (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There are different referencing styles, but to my knowledge, a bare url is not wanted in any of them. Minimum: title and website, better additionally: author's last name, first name, publisher, date/year, language, accessdate. I do that templated to avoid mistakes, cite web. There are examples in the Bernd Weikl article, - you could just copy one and adapt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Melanie Diener
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Louis Thiry
Espresso Addict (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

(West) Germany
Yes, I'm well aware of the unique nature of West/Germany, but in an infobox it's a 'country' as far as we are concerned (and sorry for ruining Kafka day : — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiantSnowman (talk • contribs) 10:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * See Jens Harzer, - I believe that piping all no-a-country (also Nazi Germany) to Germany would be a good compromise, no? - No way you are able to ruin his day, Giant Snowman ;) - not even the latest events here were able, which trouble me MUCH more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm... this sounds like a somewhat contentious issue, which should probably be resolved by community consensus, rather than having inconsistencies across different articles. I think it's fairly clear that during the years of partition, the two Germanys were regarded as separate countries for most purposes (including Olympics, football, participation at the UN etc). Nazi Germany seems to me a rather different case, though - I note that articles such as Joachim Gauck do indeed describe the birthland as "Nazi Germany", but in what sense is that really a country distinct from Germany itself? It's more a description of an era in German history than a political entity which is distinct from the general concept of Germany. A tricky topic, anyway, albeit not as tricky as determining relations between the WMF and the community. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Kafka on main page=perfect timing! ——  SerialNumber  54129  10:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, in more than one sense, will tell Fram! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Update - I just had a look at Lech Wałęsa, and I guess this adds weight to the "Nazi Germany" argument, although in this case it's listed as a pipe to "Greater German Reich". In that instance I suppose it's true that neither Germany nor Poland would on its own be an accurate descriptor. Tricky. And congratulatinos from me too on the Kafka TFA v2 as well. I saw your suggestion that I list Rwanda for a second time, that sounds a good idea and I'll start thinking of suitable dates. 7 April 2019 or 4 July 2019 would have been good, as the 25th anniversary of the start/finish of the genocide, but those have been missed already. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For a German, Nazi Germany and West Germany are both deficient in a similar way, but piped, I can take it. Actually, I come to like what Giant Snowman suggested in the header: (West) Germany, could also accept (Nazi) Germany. The fight against inconsistency on Wikipedia is hopeless, so a waste of time ;) - You could nominate Rwanda for no specific day, - it's a general topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Unionskirche, Idstein
The article Unionskirche, Idstein you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Unionskirche, Idstein for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of AhmadLX -- AhmadLX (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

TFA
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Franz Kafka (3 July 1883 – 3 June 1924) was a German-speaking Bohemian Jewish novelist and short-story writer, widely regarded as one of the major figures of 20th-century literature. His work, which fuses elements of realism and the fantastic, typically features isolated protagonists facing what are now called "Kafkaesque" circumstances: bizarre or surrealistic predicaments complicated by incomprehensible bureaucracy. He explores themes of alienation, existential anxiety, guilt, and absurdity. His best-known works include Die Verwandlung, Der Process, and Das Schloss. Few of Kafka's works were published during his lifetime, and those that were received little public attention. In his will, he instructed his friend Max Brod to destroy his unfinished works, including three of his novels, but Brod ignored these instructions. Kafka's work has influenced a vast range of writers, critics, artists, and philosophers during the 20th and 21st centuries. (3 July 2019)

Vandalism lottery?
Franz Kafka and the The Trial so far today! El_C 17:43, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Every TFA is a trial in terms of vandalism, it was comparatively mild (also compared to what I remember from the first round in 2013) until I left home for a lovely evening in a winery. Thank you, El_C and all who helped. Lovely balloons, hope PumpkinSky will see them, - the article was his idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Wording
You asked for an explanation.

The paragraph in question, the last in the article, read, in its entirety:
 * San Diego State University (SDSU) operates the Kafka Project, which began in 1998 as the official international search for Kafka's last writings.

First, this paragraph is only one sentence long. Paragraphs, being miniature expostulations, should have multiple sentences logically grouped around a topic sentence, which is usually the first or last sentence in the paragraph.

Second, the sentence includes an abbreviation, which is introduced therein, right after the full name. But that abbreviation is not used anywhere else in the article, except for the footnote flag (I checked before making this edit). Why introduce it?

For those reasons, I broke the sentence into two and dropped the introduction of the abbreviation.

Keep up the good work, though! --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 12:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't write that particular paragraph, but was curious. I have no problem with removing an unused abbreviation (had missed that, as it wasn't in the edit summary, removed it now), nor with braking up a run-on sentence (which I often encourage, see any of my reviews), but in this case, it seemed that the connection between the two things is closer and more elegant as it was (above) than what you suggested: "... Kafka project. This began ...", which seemed like a split for teh rulez' sake. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Irische Legende
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bohumil Herlischka
I completed a review of all the hooks at Template:Did you know nominations/Bohumil Herlischka. Hopefully we can get this approved soon! Flibirigit (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's great. Better late than never! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

A brownie for you!
Delicious, thank you! Look around, and if you have questions, ask at an article if that is the concern, or here, or on your talk, - I am watching. Mine is a bit crowded ;) - Next musical DYK: Why?, Brahms motet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Two Motets, Op. 74 (Brahms)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Missa brevis (Nystedt)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Carmina Burana
I added the elucidatory description "German composer" before the name Carl Orff and you removed my edit without explaining why. Instead you posed a question which really is not relevant because it is personal opinion. Did my edit violate Wikipedia rules? If not, it should be allowed. Thanks. JackBrad419 JackBrad419 (talk) 21:23, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "Carmina burana" was without "German" for years, Orff is quite known for being German, what does his being German have to do with the music? - In pieces by Mozart, there's no nationality. As a friend would quote: "The only real nation is humanity". I am German, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Kieth Engen
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

kakaesque
No running away from this typo! Much of the discussion on Wikipedia is indeed kakaesque. Jehochman Talk 11:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I agree, dada also comes to mind - I linked to the discussion, btw, on my user page and for Snow Rise who tried to help four years ago, but moar patience is needed ;) - "hope is precious ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Feeling fine on July nine
Thank you for being you and for sharing what you know. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Rosie, and I hope you didn't miss the thread above, quoting "hope is precious ...". Feeling fine and determined not to rest until Vespro della Beata Vergine is GA, - my initials. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Sonata in A minor for Solo Flute, Wq. 132, H 562
Dear user Gerda Arendt, Thank you so much for your corrections in my article! I agree with nearly all of them, and I will be happy with future ones. I will appreciate your help in finding sources, because it tired me a little. Thank you very much, Enivak (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You are welcome, I like to help, but time is limited, and I am behind with another composition. Instead of writing more there, I'm off to a concert with the Knabenchor Hannover ;) - You are welcome to call me Gerda, and no ping is needed on my own talk. Nice to meet you, and happy editing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Enivak, we need a ref for the publication year. You can use the Free score, if you have no better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, got it! Enivak (talk) 21:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Concert was great, see above, I wrote Jörg Breiding today (will grow), and Charles Daellenbach is covered well, choir great, brass great, made a great team, and we audience could participate ;) - CD was taken the last 4 days, second public performance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Sorry for i didn't wished you good luck, but i readed your message very quickly and i didn't noticed it. Well done about the articles Gerda! I really would like to participate in making articles better! :-) Enivak (talk) 09:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's great! Let me know if I should look at something, because I don't "follow" people without being asked. You could for example list articles on which you work on your user page, with a link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course! If i finish this draft and publish it, i have plans to create many others, so i will of course make a list on my user page with what i have created. The next one i plan to create is one for the Thames commercial vehicles brand, a former brand of Ford of UK. By the way, i will post you a message on my draft's talk page about your suggestions in it's name. Enivak (talk) 13:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Finish and publish are two different things. I believe that you can publish now, - and perhaps it will never be "finished", always room for improving ;) - Click on the "Submit..." button. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * With < > i mean ready for submission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enivak (talk • contribs) 14:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)  I have send you that message i said before to our wikiproject's talk page.Enivak (talk) 14:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again, i want a little help: i added citations to the dates of composition and publication, and for some reason it re-added the ref 2 times in the reflist (with the excisting one there are three now). Because i can't find a way to fix it, can you help me in that? Best regards, Enivak (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Enivak, I tried, giving it a name (adding author, quoting title as in the ref), and calling it by that name. No refs needed in infobox and lead, just in the body. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok. i'm going to fix it.Enivak (talk) 21:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorana bean
Check out the second-to-last one-sentence paragraph. I'm thinking it could be a fun hook. --valereee (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, - tell the authors of Rossini ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bohumil Herlischka
valereee (talk) 00:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Thank you for your first, valereee, made the stats. - What do you think: should I include Fram in the fly? (Die Fliege, top) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 150 (Franck)
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Damiano Michieletto
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Günther Schneider-Siemssen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Gerda. I always appreciate your thoughtfulness. Donner60 (talk) 03:33, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You are welcome!
 * I thought of this, related to WP:ARCA. I sign that The Rambling Man is always welcome to review my DYK articles, and others can sign the same and enter their name to the image, which can then become a template. In case you didn't know: he is banned from doing so. Fram is banned (look there for my name). Quality suffers.
 * I welcome The Rambling Man to review my DYK areticles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Gerda, with respect, I don't think this is a good idea as it goes beyond the proposal made by Ritchie333. The idea is to allow TRM to review individual nominations when he is specifically invited, not to create a list of users who are fine with a TRM review at any time. IMO you are effectively making it more difficult to pass the original proposal by broadening its meaning like this. Gatoclass (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I may be the only one, but I really don't like to write a new invitation for every DYK nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess commenting here may result in some AI-admin slapping me with a month-ban, but as I said at ARCA Gerda, let's take baby steps. It's clear to me now that the sanctions being imposed and re-imposed by one or two users and one Arb are purely punitive as evidenced by my track record of outstanding reviews.  Let's get to the point where we can get someone (e.g. you) to ask me to formally review a DYK nomination (as I have done for you, and others, dozens of times, without issue).  Let's hope the users intent on pure punishment can be proved wrong when they take the time to examine the 100s of GA and FLC and DYK and FAC reviews I've performed without trouble.  Or, alternatively, let's wait for the inevitable case closure with no change because it's just too much to see TRM being enabled to make Wikipedia a higher quality place.  Who knows how it will turn out.  The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 16:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Baby steps are fine by me ;) - I will welcome you to reviews! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thank you too. What's particularly (a) impressive is the manner in which some of the DYK regulars are giving me a chance to help and (b) depressing is the manner that one of the Arbs (and a couple of hawkish users) have just missed the point completely.  But c'est la vie.  We're still averaging three or so errors per set (out of eight) per day at DYK, so any help that project can get I imagine (and as I'm reading) would be welcome.  Hey, Arbs and hawks shriek louder. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 16:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You read the ultimate guide to arbitration, so you know that you should not comment in your case. My friend Joefromrandb did so, let the case go without a single comment, and was back after 6 months which seemed long when they began and short when they ended. So you also know that arbs look only superficially, and don't get friendlier when being told that. Remember when was deemed a good reason to ban a user forever? - Don't waste time with ARCA comments, - it will succeed or not, rather independent of what you say, and if it fails so what? We'll find ways. Remember when my friend wasn't banned after all (not because the arb who had voted ban because of that strictly MoS edit noticed his mistake but because another one didn't want to see a content editor banned by a margin of one vote which could have been his, - there's hope!); he was sentenced to not even adding an infobox to articles he created, and I couldn't help because I was restricted to only the ones I had created, so I won a then sitting arb to do it for us ;) - that felt nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get it. The difference is that I feel no obligation for deference to these Arbs.  Most of them are far too detached from the workings of the encyclopedia to offer a clue in such situations, and as is being made clear in this case, no actual community input is being considered by some of them, indeed, those Arbs really should be recusing because they clearly have a dog in the fight.  It's an abuse of the position to ignore such strong evidence and just go with what the individual Arb wants.  The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 17:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * As said below, I invented the 2 comments max restriction, end then they turned it against me, - sort of funny in a way, but only at a distance. It's a really good self-restriction, saves a lot of time. I failed once, and was taken to AE as predicted, my last time there, had enough, went the ARCA way, and was lucky. - I'd love a review for Vespro della Beata Vergine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Rolf Riehm
valereee (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you, lovely, both the class and the barnstar. When you have a new project please just list it on your user page which I watch. - Please read today's DYK (Did you know ...?) Rolf Riehm, a composer whom I met last year (and then postponed writing the article to match his birthday, and then a dear frien LouisAlain began, and we were on time nominating, but the process took too long ...). - You will meet the DYK process because I'm going to nominate your sonata also, naturally ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! (about the title: sorry because i undid your renaming, but there are a lot sonatas in a minor, so there would be confusion) Enivak (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no other for Solo Flute, no confusion whatsoever. If you do a google search for the title without number, you arrive at that very piece, so I believe it's the Primary topic which doesn't need disambiguation. If you insist on a number, please decide for one only! - I don't think people searching will know a number, so believe they are useless, but you are the author, and I may be wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If in google the search gives this only work, well, i don't searched, but in the future will be surely an article about another "sonata in a minor". Because as i see i have to choose one number, i have just choosed "Wq.".Enivak (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Flute sonata yes, Sonata for Solo Flute no, if you ask me, - which other work would be as important? Did you read about primary topic? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists and what it is; decisions are made by discussion among editors, often as a result of a requested move." (taken from there). I think you mean that from now there will be no other article with that name, because there is no other notable Sonata like that. However, there are Many other sonatas with a similar name. The average reader does not know about WP:Notability, and will get confused. If, however, noneItalic text of Wq or H or everything else seems appropriate with what you thing is, Then i will object to add at least the composer's name. Enivak (talk) 12:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * (note 1:Yes i insist for one disambiguator only, as you say before), (note 2:Yes i am eager for forther discution because many renames seem like gaming the system, i want this not to end badly (anger, blocks etc)
 * (edit conflict, reply only to first comment, but possibly answering the second:) I am done with arguing about the topic. I didn't say "sonata", but "sonata for solo flute", a field where this one may be the ONLY one in A minor worthy of an article, - and if another should come up, THAT one could get some disambuguation. I don't like to shout ;) - that's how we call all capitals ;) - Take the topic to the article talk or project Classical music if you didn't hear enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, if someone else notifies me, i will talk to him. One more note, i will repeat that i meant that Although there is only ONE notable sonata for solo flute (this), the reader does not know the guidelines, and he will don't know WHICH sonata for solo flute is that.Enivak (talk) 12:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * At what point? When they are in the article, they see it. When they click on a link, they have context to tell. So when?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * When they see the result in wikipedia's search box! Enivak (talk) 10:54, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Enivak: They will see only one for solo flute, no? - I suggest you make redirects Flute Sonata (C. P. E. Bach) and Flute Sonata in A minor (CPE Bach), and whatever you can think of, including with those catalogue numbers in case people know them. A search for "H 562" will already get readers to the right one on top of the list. - Only 4 articles beginning "Sonata in A" at present, only 2 of the A minor. - I added links to the articles which call CPE's work Syrinx, Trevor Pinnock, and the composr's list of works. - Where I come from: ever so happy that we can simply call St Matthew Passion without having to pipe to St Matthew Passion (Bach). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ahh, for some reason(maybe I'm in blame),you cannot understand what i want to say. In the example you say (St Matthew Passion), everyone knows that this is the only one hymn with that name (or the most notable of the ones), and that is written by Bach. This sonata, however (Wq.132), is notable only slightly than the others with the same name, because it is one of the few of it's kind written in it's era. Except that, this sonata is not only one of the many with that name, it is nearly the same notable as the others! And to non-experts or (some) non-flutists, this sonata is unknown! (i am a violinist-pianist in the most part learning flute, and i first heard of this sonata when i saw it on the to-do list of the wikiproject.) Another contrast with the example you gave is this: there are not much more hymns with that name (St Matthew Passion) (note: i am an orthodox christian and i don't know if there are much catholic hymns with that name, although i haven't heard much), but there are MANY MANY other solo flute sonatas in a minor! Enivak (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I said a while ago that the discussion here is over. St Matthew Passion is not a hymn (It's a Protestant Passion.), beginning of not working. What I wanted to say by that example is that we try to have a unique title to which to link, and if that is possible, it makes life easier for editors, and is still fine for readers. If you want to discuss further, please on your talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course, i never wanted to kill one's time. Thanks,Enivak (talk) 19:54, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * DId you know that I invented the punishment "2 comments max per discussion" which was then used against me? - Have a good trip, no issues left! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i didn't knew that. Enivak (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Adele Spitzeder
Hi there. Sorry to be a bother but do you think you'll find some time to review Adele Spitzeder for FA-readiness anytime soon? I answered all your comments at Peer review/Adele Spitzeder/archive1 but maybe you missed the ping. Regards So  Why  17:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reminder, will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the final comments. Would you be my mentor for FAC? I never faced that process before. Feel free to say no of course, you spend so much time on it already after all Regards  So  Why  13:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK image slot
I notice that Hallo Ü-Wagen has been given an image slot at DYK (a choice I would never have made) while I was intending to give such a slot to the long-waiting Wilhelmine Lübke. Do you have any views on this, because I could demote the one in favour of the other? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I talked to Yoninah, in case of interest, in favour of outdoors, easy-going and communication. Once Frau Lübke waited more than two months past her birthday, she can wait a few weeks longer, or even go without pic which anyway shows very little of her, and more of formal splendor and a Queen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, but I'm not creating them ;) - All psalms have at least a stub of an article since 2010. Yoninah and I and others expand those, and you (y'all) can help. The most advanced is GA Psalm 84, and you can take any number, see if it was already improved, and if not add source text, add text in Hebrew/English and English (KJV), add external links, add references, expand lead, add infobox, - in the order of necessity. For more details - call it recipe - see WT:QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Werner Müller (politician)
Stephen 22:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

That lovely canata
He's right, here, isn't he? I checked the Wikisource link and it looks right to me albeit speaking as a very very non-expert passerby! Yesno?? Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think so (or would have changed it). Not only psalm numbers differ, so do verse numbers, - may be 6 in German, but I verified 5 in English. I was in the same room as where I heard it last, now for a premiere of a viola pocket concerto for viola and cello, great idea not to overpower the viola by an orchestra, by Garth Knox. You would have loved it, also the Hindemith. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, nice! Sounds lovely. And thanks re the verses! DBaK (talk) 13:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sunday was also lovely, surprise free concert (in memoriam of a couple, both choir singers, both died recently) at a church with an article by me (see above). Besides the pieces mentioned, Rheinberger, Schubert, Loewe, more Mendelssohn, Liszt, Brahms, Strauss, - the perfect match for the hall! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Peter Hamm
Stephen 06:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Helmut Schlegel
Helmut Schlegel doesn't work anymore for the Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality. This entry for "Organization" is out of date. Should the entry still remain?--Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 07:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)#
 * I thought my edit summary was clear enough: we don't say in the infobox from when to when some is with an organisation, only in the text. If a soprano was with the Oper Frankfurt for decades, that stays even after her death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

My comment
Sorry about this, my impression was that Anonimu had struck it out. I will rephrase the hook if need be, but I would rather not have it struck out, because Anonimu's objection is entirely farcical. Dahn (talk) 00:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Understand. I struck it because it's the other hook that mentions the date, should have made a comment but was dead tired, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No probs, I'm not hung up on the date, though it would've been nice; I'm sure that if the hook is approved, the reference to that date will be removed from it by admin. Dahn (talk) 07:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ... but one can always try ;) - Wilhelmine Lübke, birthday request for May, will appear in July, not August, believe it or not. Elisabeth Erdmann-Macke was only weeks late, same Rolf Riehm, but Erik Werba may linger forever (birthday 23 May), or will you take a look? But things are improving: Johann Münzberg is supposed to appear on 3 August as planned! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Sunset
Gerda, the ship has sailed, time to let it go. It seems pretty clear this is all about punishing me again, and again, and again. It’s tantamount to harassment, especially when there’s overwhelming consensus against those two. Still it’s nice to see so many positive comments from the DYK community. Just a pity I don’t get a chance to repay their good faith because of the continued punishment. Never mind. Perhaps I can just help you outside the scope of the punishment, and hope for the nest, that the current poor process doesn’t let you down again and again. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:51, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I believe that you don't have to say "punish" three times ;) - DYK that I am in the process of writing my memories of my case, and just about to enter my ARCA appeal today? For two years, I was simply too proud to appeal something kafkaesque (I mean, appealing means you acknowledge, which I refused to do, - the verdict in a case that almost resulted in banning a user reasoning that he followed the MoS), but then AE became just too much to deal with. - When your ARCA case will come up again, please do me a favour: don't comment at all. Your heart is in your writing, which I like on your talk page, but not on an arbcom page, - "all ... will be held against you" seems pretty well observed. The writer's face smiles upon you above, with the line that can't be repeated too much: "go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset over this". DYK that I probably was retained for Wikipedia because of that line, in 2012 when I really felt I didn't belong? Everything later, including the infoboxes case, was peanuts in comparison. Remember popcorn? (I didn't know then that the article 'tis the season' was written by 28bytes. Too bad that we couldn't check how he would have been as an arb, but that's another sad story.) - Don't get too upset over this. - Ping Opabinia regalis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the repetitive language, I was out on my phone with a very persistent five-year-old (rightly) distracting me! The only thing that upsets me is the clear harassment going on from those who ignore the community.  Apparently, though, it's okay when it's levelled at me.  I will definitely be having popcorn this afternoon, so at least that's one good thing about this whole episode!  The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 10:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Understand. When you have time, follow each link please, including under the popcorn ;) - Enjoy being with children and popcorn, much more important than anything we do here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, totally. I have had one thought, I could perform your review in a subpage to ERRORS2 and you could simply copy/paste it over once complete (with the necessary attribution, of course), as that will still fall well and truly inside the current restrictions.  The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 10:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good thought, let's try that when other reviewers don't come to terms with my noms (which happens often). The mentioned article, however, Vespro della Beata Vergine is a GAN, - feel free and unrestricted! I trust you, and I trust that you may be the only one to manage in the remaininglatively short time. Please look at the "movements" section last, because it's mean to grow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * More urgent, though: RD Brigitte Kronauer, - I jest referenced the last prize. There could be much more, but I think it's worth presenting already, and I have several other things waiting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Lilian Benningsen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Brigitte Kronauer
Mjroots (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 16:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Johann Münzberg
Gerda, please remember to follow-up at Template:Did you know nominations/Johann Münzberg, to ensure it is chosen for 3 August. Flibirigit (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I was out for most of the day, and just returned, and haven't even finished my watchlist, - a bit more patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hallo Ü-Wagen
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

A plate of Panipuri for you

 * Delicious, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

August 2019 at Women in Red

 * I came here to share with you this list of Opera singers in Red and saw that you had already received this. I don't know much about Opera, but I do enjoy it. If you are looking for a collaborator for any article on that list, I'd love to help you out. StudiesWorld (talk) 11:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You can do your picks, and let me know, such as linking an article title right here. I usually work on opera singers that LouisAlain began, and on those I hear and find irresistible. With "my own" topics, I am booked for the year, I guess, as I don't do more than one per day. Today will be a great person I am happy to have known, and tomorrow something in memory of another such person on his centenary, someone who always built bridges, especially between people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I
The article Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 09:42, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, TRM! "Jauchzet" means "rejoice". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Kronauer, Hamm, Bach
Belated but heartfelt thanks for helping make two sublime Sprachkünstler*innen appear on the main page. I will miss them both.

Recently I read about this unusual exhibition. I wondered whether you were aware of it (the answer is probably yes). I live 500km away from Eisenach, but you might be closer ... Anyway, just felt like dropping a message and a thank-you for all the hard work you put in improving the encyclopaedia. ---Sluzzelin talk  23:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, feel understood! Look at the top, take some flowers, build more bridges, - celebrating the centenary of a great person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sluzzelin, that exhibition looks interesting, thank you. Also some 100 km away, - where we sing Immortal Bach ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Precious concerns
Hi Gerda. I have some concerns about WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious, in particular the annotations. There's no explanation to the asterisks or other notes on the page, and it certainly appears that you are using it as some sort of enemies list. I'm getting this from your "forgive" 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 edit summaries. I hope there is an innocent explanation, but even if there is, that page needs tidying so that annotations are either not there, or explained. <b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">Worm</b>TT(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 10:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The asterisks remind me - or someone else, but I'm the only one looking - to not repeat the anniversary reminder. That's not "enemy", just not quite as precious as originally thought. For example, SnowRise disappointed me by comments in the Joefromrandb case, but I am now ready to forget that. In case you ask about the meaning of the little dot instead, those are users who said themselves that didn't want the reminder. Precious is for life, just the degree varies, but the reminder is not meant to come where not wanted. I try not to send it to someone who told me to not ever thank him by click, for example, - consider it as a reminder of where I don't feel welcome, perhaps? - You will remember that a project list was deleted because it was seen as an attack page. Point of view. All it listed was articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , no, I'm afraid that's not good enough. Rewarding individuals on wiki for their hard work is a noble pursuit. Marking users as "not quite as precious as originally thought" or marking users who "disappointed [you]" is simply unacceptable. Doing so in the project space is even moreso. I have no issue with the dot, if that's what it's for, and I expect the R, T, etc is who initially marked the individual for a reward (can I suggest annotating at the top or bottom of the table to explain those?) but the asterisks need to go. <b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">Worm</b>TT(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 10:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Before I even read this, I erased all asterisks, in a general forgiving mood. I changed some to the other symbol (Kumioko, for example). I hope that's good enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I explained more of the abbreviations of former users who gave the award. Please help me with a wording to explain the dot symbol, which now means a general inappropriateness of a reminder, be it that the person said so, or that I think the person wouldn't not like to receive anything from me, or that the person was banned by T&S and I assume for good reasons. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thank you, I appreciate it. I see there's a few asterisks in the "sort" column, could you check them too please? Please, do keep doing the good stuff - the wikipedian of the day / precious award is one of the greatest additions to editor retention and so I value it highly. I'm also well aware that you are effectively the only person doing it, so, you have my personal thanks for that. <b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">Worm</b>TT(<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>) 11:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The asterisks in the sort column mean that the number is kind of wrong, no more. Thank you for the appreciation, - as I explained here earlier: it's simply good for me to begin each day with a reflection of how much there is to thank for, and for how long, with Phadriel beginning in 2007 (a selected poem for each one! - go read, so meaningful, for example), and Rlevse doing it for three years. A great tradition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Chain bridge
Very nice! It rang a loud bell for me because of this song in which verse 5 refers to this former Chain Bridge! We flew across the Chain Bridge reet into Blaydon toon Why aye and cheers DBaK (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Feel free to help, estimated 3% are translated. There's also a Kettenbrückenwalzer, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for A Clare Benediction
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

QAI
Hey, thanks for the kind words and recognition. ;) Kante4 (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Danke! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Wilhelmine Lübke
valereee (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Die wundersame Schustersfrau
valereee (talk) 00:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Woohooo

 * Thank you for the news, Mjs1991, happy - wundersam - feeling just a bit much older ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Curzon Street Baroque
Gerda, if you are happy the is GTG, please confirm there. It's looking a bit messy at the moment, & may be unclear to promoters. Thanks! Also, happy birthday! Johnbod (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear ,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:50, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, accepted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Johann Münzberg
valereee (talk) 00:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

New Wiki Category
Hi Gerda! I have created a new CATEGORY: "Opera singers who became movie actors". So far: Lauritz Melchior, Margaret Dumont, and Robert Davi. (Did you know that Robert Davi, who has been in so many B-grade movies (like Action Jackson, Predator 2, License to Kill, Raw Deal, and Showgirls) trained for opera under Tito Gobbi before going into movies?)

Feel free to add any more you can think of. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

PS. I am currently chorusing in a very small outdoor production of Dido and Aeneas. A very beautiful thing! I had never heard it before. We're putting it on in the back yard/garden of a local church. And next month: a concert performance of Das Rheingold; I'm actually slated to sing Fasolt! Far and away the biggest role (ha ha) I've ever taken on. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow, truly "big", - how will you be expanded? - Should the cat perhaps be "Opera singers who are also film actors"? We officially say film an not movie, and we probably don't mean the hundreds who appear on live DVDs of operas. --


 * It's only a concert performance, no costumes. And you're right, I'm not including opera singers who have been videotaped while performing, only those who became actors in cinema, which is part of why I said "movie actors". HandsomeMrToad (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

For Unto Us a Child is Born
I have created a png version of the image Image:Handel Messiah - For Unto Us a Child is Born excerpt.JPG as it was marked Badjpg (File:Handel Messiah - For Unto Us a Child is Born excerpt.png). I noticed your link from User:Gerda Arendt/Images. you might be interested in double checking the new image such as in en:Sequence (music). Hyacinth (talk) 07:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Isoldé Elchlepp
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vespro della Beata Vergine
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Vespro della Beata Vergine you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!
A belated thank you for the Precious Prize! I've been visiting my son's family in rural Massachusetts, with intermittent and very slow internet service. I saw it on Monday, and showed my teenage granddaughters, who were quite impressed. Their accolade was "Ok, lit!" which is apparently the latest in the lexicon of cool. I appreciate the work you and others do to help keep Wikipedia a welcoming place for volunteers. Best, Mary (aka Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC))
 * Thank you, Mary, and see below for a child. I love the pic on your user page! Thanks also for the "lit". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I think you can be an administrator.
Dear Gerda, Now I discovered that you are here since 2009 and that you have created many articles and helped many people (like me). So I believe that you perfectly suit the recruitments to be an administrator (you are already an rollbacker) there are needed people like you. I had the idea to nominate you, this is the reason why am asking your opinion. You can do it yourself, also. (by the way, do you like my new signature?) I await your opinion, Eni vak   (speak)  20:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I would support .....but old timers like us usually avoid drama. ...it's why we are still here lol...😊-- Moxy 🍁 20:48, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, If only. But we need musical Gerda as someone who actually knows her Mozart arse from her Bach elbow. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * Old topic. I never want to be one, never wanted. Miss Ritchie, and John. Just heard great music (Pärt again) performed by Andreas Scholl and Tamar Halperin, his wife. "I bought me a wife, my wife pleased me ..." Their daughter was also in the audience, age four I believe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, no problem. But I think you can try it sometime later (when I gain experience I would like to be one). Best regards, ;-) Eni vak   (speak)  21:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Please Gerda, don't ever put yourself through that one week of hell. I did it twice, and wild horses couldn't drag me to do it again, it's just an awful experience. Eric   Corbett  21:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Fear not, Eric, never never. Thank you for your help with the Scholl Article, back then! I have Floq and Drmies and now even RexxS when I want dirty work done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Then you can rest easy in your nest of administrators. ;-) Eric   Corbett  21:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vespro della Beata Vergine
The article Vespro della Beata Vergine you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Vespro della Beata Vergine for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:40, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Günther Leib
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Wibke Bruhns
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Trees
My aspens dear, whose airy cages quelled, Quelled or quenched in leaves the leaping sun, All felled, felled, are all felled; Of a fresh and following folded rank Not spared, not one That dandled a sandalled Shadow that swam or sank On meadow and river and wind-wandering weed-winding bank.

O if we but knew what we do When we delve or hew – Hack and rack the growing green! Since country is so tender To touch, her being so slender, That, like this sleek and seeing ball But a prick will make no eye at all,

Where we, even where we mean To mend her we end her, When we hew or delve: After-comers cannot guess the beauty been. Ten or twelve, only ten or twelve Strokes of havoc unselve The sweet especial scene, Rural scene, a rural scene, Sweet especial rural scene.


 * Thank you, tree lover, and sending a tree pic I love in reply. More trees under "blushing". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh that's lovely. So much better than his portraits, I must say.
 * Must dash, those pesky dog-catchers are on their way... —Billy —Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * understand, precious, - Ave Maria, - her big feast 15 August, working hard on the vespers, with some success, see below, - thank you Rambling Man. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * re: [exits to the sound of sirens]: Did you know that I wrote Sirens – Images of Desire and of Destruction. Consider it dedicated to you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda. How perfectly appropriate! I would give it a listen but, alas, my ears are plugged with beeswax. —Odysseus Don't tell Fram!

Your GA nomination of Vespro della Beata Vergine
The article Vespro della Beata Vergine you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Vespro della Beata Vergine for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Trap
Hi Gerda, you're right that I'm not going to comment on this now (in fact, even mentioning it here may be sanctionable, who knows these days?), it certainly feels like entrapment for that individual to even suggest I should given their involvement and contributions at the ARCA. You only pinged me a day or so ago on all those nominations, I haven't had much time to do anything (I was out all yesterday afternoon/evening and will probably not get round to doing much on-wiki until tonight). The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 09:27, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a trap, just innocence. How would anybody believe how AE really works. No excuses needed for not reviewing. I'll be out al day, first cycling tour than listen to the Vespers!!! (see above, Eberbach Abbey pictured). Peter Hamm would be good next, in case you have time to review. I wondered if I should remove the invitation once someone else takes the review, but think its presence does more good than harm ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

apple dumpling
Hey, Gerda! Is there an idiomatic term for apple dumpling in German? I tried searching de.wikipedia for Apfelknödel to see if I could find any German sources, but there's no article at that name. It seems like there must be a German version of the apple dumpling, as the Pennsylvania Dutch here in the US have been making them forever. Thanks for any pointers! --valereee (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Not that I'd know. Zwetschgen yes (de:Zwetschkenknödel), and Marillen (apricot) (de:Marillenknödel). Perhaps check nl, if it comes from the Dutch. --
 * Pennsylvania Dutch were German-speakers and not from the Netherlands. :) The recipes they brought with them would have been from Germany in the 1700s. --valereee (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Apfelklöße and Apfelknödel both generate a lot of cookbook Google hits. The prominence of Schlesische Apfelklöße suggests they came into Germany via Silesia. But as far as I know the Pennsylvania Dutch are more from the Southwest (Palatinate?), so I don't really have a clue here. —Kusma (t·c) 21:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Kusma, thank you! I'll search on those at de.wiki! Yes, most are from the Palatinate/Rhineland area and immigrated to Pennsylvania. --valereee (talk) 09:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm in Pittsburgh (well - 12 min. out of Pittsburgh) and most of the Pennsylvania Dutch I'm aware of are located more North-central PA., and further east (Philly). They also have a fairly large settlement in Northeastern Ohio (we got our garage and loft there).  They also have a fantastic little plaza where Das Dutch Haus restaurant is located (the food is amazing) http://www.dasdutchvillage.com/.  When I was able to travel we used to eat there often.   I'm 1/2 German on my mother's side - but no I don't speak any German - sorry.  I don't know as that helps anything - just rattling on here.  (rattle is slang for just talking with no particular purpose). — Ched :  ?    —  11:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

- sorry - you were talking southwest Germany ... that's what I get for sticking my nose in - make a fool of myself. sorry - carry on. — Ched : ?    —  11:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ambroise Ouédraogo
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Climate change
Greetings Gerda! In case you were not aware, some eds have recently tried recharing the old climate change task force, and are converting it to standalone WikiProject. If that interests you, please join us at WP:WikiProject Climate change. We're still in the nuts and bolts start up phase, figuring out how best to harness categories and templates etc. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the invitation, I'll watch and see what I can do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Wächter (Anatol)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Smiles
I absolutely LOVE that fly gif. (Die Fliege) I was surprised when I found it was you who used it. (I forget where now, Drmies, Floq, or Richie I think). I actually smacked my screen thinking it was real. Then ...... I REALLY laughed. Thanks for the smiles - have a great day Gerda. — Ched : ?    —  11:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It's by nagualdesign who then also left us but made a note further up about feeling better. Thank you for adding our friend who died, - how could I miss that. Die Fliege is a short version for the flaming image on the page you once started, with a poem by Poeticbent (letting go of the past) wo then also left us. Feel free applying Die Fliege to the pages of those missed and alive. - I am busy writing a FAC ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Fantastic - well, best of luck with that. :-) — Ched : ?    —  12:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Look around. The FAC is marked by the green GA symbol on top, look for "introduction" to listen in a bit, - the concert with Simon Rattle will be available for free viewing 2 days from mow (I sat right behind one of the cameras), and did you see Raymond's Rules? Matching "Smiles". I like your sig popping up ;) - Did you know that I am in the process of writing the saga of our case, bit by bit, and just ? - Happy days! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Nicolas Joel
valereee (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nun danket all und bringet Ehr
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Nun danket all und bringet Ehr you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

A portal barnstar for you!

 * Seriously, I am glad about the recognition! The gnome icon is my only top icon, and it feels good when gnomish work is recognized, - thank you! I also keep the archives of project Opera, btw. That's a great project, everybody, in case you don't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, again, it is appreciated. I have edited a great deal of portal content through the years, and lately I've picked up. One reason is that the creation of many automated portals wound up having people substitute some of that automation in existing portals in ways that broke them, such as removing the content on the main portal page transcluded from various subpages, etc. Another issue is the deletion of many portals that were not automated. I understand why many of these older portals are being deleted, but I feel that some, such as the Germany portal, have merit, and a place on Wikipedia. North America1000 06:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. I hated when the automatism picked 1/8 of DYK for Germany related to Hitler, every day. Some things are better manually ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not sure what else to say. Ha ha, actually... Keep up the good work, there and elsewhere. Of course, I've seen you around all over the place, particularly at WP:DYKNOM when I was more active there a while back. For the Germany portal, your work there alone keeping DYK content fresh is way above and beyond what most do. Let me know if you'd like to collaborate on portals, music articles, other content, etc. You've been a great contributor for so long, I feel that you've embodied what Wikipedia should be about. North America1000 11:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have a peer review open, for a start to collaboration ;) - look for the little green GA symbol on top of the page. - This thread deserves to go to "blushing", also there ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to project revival
(and i'm not alone, i am helping an teahouse Host)
 * Thank you for the invitation, but I don't get to all the articles I see are nnot covered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Der wissende Sänger
Hello Gerda, I have been looking through the DYK nominations, and I noticed your question about a translation of this book title. Looking at the article, I see that she also published a book called Das bewußte Singen. What is the intent of using "bewußte" in one and "wissende" in the other, do you think? Both could translate into English as 'aware', but I am interested to see that dict.leo.org suggests 'intuitive' for wissend, and 'conscious, deliberate, intentional' for bewußte. I like the sound of 'The intuitive singer', but I am not sure that is what she meant. Cognizant or aware sounds more like the singer has become aware through teaching. "The aware singer" does seem to be used in English in talking about voice training, so perhaps that would be the best translation?? Best wishes, RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for sharing the thughts, Rebecca. "Aware" makes sense. "Intuitive" seems about the opposite. Do you happen to know hoe "... dass wissend würde ein Weib" is translated? End of the Ring cycle, Brünnhilde. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't, but I thought someone would have translated it, and googled the phrase and found here (#39 on that page) "that a woman might grow wise". I think they probably chose 'wise' to keep the alliteration, and 'grow' rather than 'become' to keep the same number of syllables. I would even suggest 'that a woman would grow wise', for more alliteration - it does of course have a slightly different meaning, so it would depend whether you were focused more on a closer translation or keeping the poetic effect. RebeccaGreen (talk) 21:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think "wissend" has a double meaning of "knowledgable" and "wise" ("weise" in German), which may be intentionally used by the author, while "bewußt" is rather "conscious". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * pictured: Brünnhilde, in the painful process of becoming "wissend". "gain understanding and a serene attitude" would be better than "grow wise", but we don't have so many syllables, - is there any short English word for it? Moonraker? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ernst Gerold Schramm
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Antigone oder die Stadt
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Infoboc Rfc on Talk:Stanley Kubrick
Hi, I noticed your past participation in a 2017 Rfc regarding adding an infobox to Stanley Kubrick's article. I just wanted to notify you that there is an Rfc currently underway there. I thought you may be interested. This is likely to be the multi-year moratorium on the topic once this survey ends. Thanks! HAL 333  01:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes. Please see my post to Laser brain (short story) or to Jmar67 (loooooong story, begun before the RfC). In a nutshell: arbitration introduced that those who do most for an article decide that question, not you and I and the readers, as demonstrated in Talk:Laurence Olivier/Archive 2, "it's common practice for the main editors' preference to be respected". Both articles had an infobox for ten years. Worm That Turned, do you see the problem? Bishonen, do you think it's a "good RfC"? I refuse to participate. When asked if an article - any article - should have an infobox, I'd say "Why not?" - and no argument of those who say that it damages an article (and assume that those who want one must come from behind-the-scenes conspiracies probably run by me) has ever convinced me. |HAL333, you can of course use any of what I wrote, and I don't mind copyvio ;) - I'm just too wounded (I just ) to go myself. Peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ps: today's DYK: Antigone oder die Stadt, by a composer with an infobox discussion, last line translating to "We pounded at the doors of the mighty; unheard remained the heart-wrenched agony, our people's mournful fate!" - I enjoy the irony. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Gerda, I don't understand why you're pinging/addressing me in several places, especially since you keep saying you don't want to (or "refuse to") comment. I believe Talk:Stanley Kubrick is actually a better place to comment than various user talkpages. But I'll reply here since I had already started to write a response here when you posted on my own page. By "good RFC", or "proper RFC", I don't mean one with a result I like; I mean one that is well-attended and leads to a clear consensus . We don't know yet if that will happen with the RFC HAL333 and you are talking about (here a link for the talkpage stalkers), since it has only been open five days. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC).


 * I pinged you here before I noticed your call to let the RfC run its course. Any mentioning of the infobox topic by me has been regarded as canvassing, my thank-you clicks in the matter have been scrutinized, - I am, literally so. Stanley Kubrick had an infobox from 2005 to 2015. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Laser brain, Worm That Turned, Bishonen: I slept over the "I don't mean one with a result I like" comment, and decided to not let it go without reply. Looking at Stanley Kubrick, we have a history of creation in 2001, infobox added in 2005, infobox removed in the edit just above ten years later, no edit summary, then - after a little edit-war, establishment of "consensus" not to have one, Talk:Stanley Kubrick/Archive 7, arguments:
 * It tells us absolutely nothing about his directorial career.
 * Infoboxes are optional and should be the choice of those who have made contributions to the article.
 * I also believe that an infobox pollutes the article.
 * I respect that the choice of infobox is left to the major editor first and foremost.
 * The Google version of these damned things has led to a downturn in our reader numbers.
 * This article looks better without an infobox.
 * There is no need for an info box in this article; it does not convey any significant information not already included in the first few sentences.
 * ... a waste of space and amateurish-looking here ...
 * I think that was a farce, but it forms the proclaimed "consensus" in the current RfC. The belief that the main editors decide prevails, and as long as that is accepted (and arbcom supported it, by allowing me to add infoboxes to articles I create but not to others), any RfC is also a farce. I try to ignore it. The sad arguments above are all by users that I highly respect, which makes it only harder to understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Erik Werba
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Immortal Bach
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Nicholas Laucella
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Tweaked notice
Hello Gerda, some time ago now you were kind enough to send me Precious no. 498. It mentioned Portal:Disability which has now been deleted, so I have. You are of course welcome to change it differently if you wish, since you have signed it. --Mirokado (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You could also leave it red like a wound. Thank you for coming over, - up to you, really. A page where I listed lost content was deleted as "victimizing" editors, - such is Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The red would have annoyed me, so I will leave it as it is now. Victimising editors, eh? I've got a little list, but of course I would never (well, hardly ever) refer to it! --Mirokado (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Viktor Fogarassy
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Anke Sieloff
valereee (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

English version?
I notice today's Artikel des Tages about the venerable (13th C.) Evange­lische Kirche in Großen-Linden has no English counterpart. – Sca (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nun danket all und bringet Ehr
The article Nun danket all und bringet Ehr you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Nun danket all und bringet Ehr for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jörg Breiding
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for St. Martin, Lorch
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Glauben können wie du for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Glauben können wie du is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Glauben können wie du until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mathglot (talk) 21:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Crailsheim
Hello! I think you speak German, and wondered if you would look at ref#3 at Crailsheim. I cannot tell if this is a good ref or not. Thanks for your consideration!  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  22:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It seemed doubtful, unless there was a history section on the website about their location in an "historical building". I will attend to it. You are very kind!  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  22:14, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Tribe of Tiger, I only looked at that it wasn't a good reference, + not well formatted. Perhaps you can find a better one. I'm busy ;) - today: rehearsal for the Vespers, and opera, opening of the 2019/20 season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found a better/more appropriate source! Thanks for taking the time to look at the "weird" ref. I wish you great pleasure in your musical endeavors!  Tribe of Tiger <sup style="font-family:Segoe print;color:#B22222">Let's Purrfect!  23:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK Nomination Request for: Samuel Adler (composer) and/or Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra
Ciao Gerda Arendt - Many thanks for your kind  assistance with the article Nicholas Laucella. It is always a pleasure to learn something new on Wikipedia's "Did You Know" column. BRAVO to you for your inspired efforts to enlighten the world! Perhaps if you have extra time you might consider nominating the articles Samuel Adler (composer) and/or Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra for inclusion in the column sometime in the future.

Adler is one of America's leading 20th century composers. He was a Jewish immigrant who fled Nazi Germany with his family, barely escaped the Holocaust and was subsequently drafted into the U.S. Army immediately after completing his graduate studies at Harvard University with the composer Aaron Copland. Upon returning to his native Germany in 1952 as a Corporal in the U. S. Army, he found his homeland in ruins. Heartbroken, he convinced his superior officers to establish the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra in an effort to support America's cultural diplomacy initiatives through Europe in the post World War II era. The orchestra is the only symphonic ensemble ever established within the U. S. Army. Its instrumentalists were all active members of the Army who were also professionally educated musicians of the highest caliber. Their mission was not to wage war, however, but to promote international peace through shared cultural interactions between nations as some of America's first "cultural ambassadors". Their concerts were were widely applauded throughout Europe for over a decade and were carried live over German radio. The United States' High Commissioner to Germany on the Allied High Commission, James B. Conant cited the Orchestra for its achievements, as did General Dwight D. Eisenhower.

One possible "hook" into theses articles might be:

1) ... Did you know that the American composer Samuel Adler founded the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra to support cultural diplomacy after World war II? Or perhaps more suitably

2) ... know that the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra was founded by the American composer Samuel Adler to further cultural diplomacy after World War II ?

These are merely a few possibilities. As a highly experienced editor, I'm certain that you can think of additional possibilities which might be more suitable. Feel free to use your imaginations! Thanks again for your kind consideration and best wishes for your continued success on Wikipedia. Ciao!2620:65:8000:A203:AD18:1901:87DF:68F7 (talk) 18:25, 24 August 2019 (UTC)GCU


 * Thank you for the suggestions, - sadly, DYK is not about things worth knowing, but about new content, and both articles are not new enough (= 7 days). However, if you can bring one up to Good article quality, it would be eligible. Even if not, I'm busy until 2 September. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I formatted the hooks, in case you go that way. Easier: you find a new related topic, such as the concert master, and say ... that A. B. was concertmater in the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra, founded by Samuel Adler? - Can you give yourself a user name, so that I could call you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hermin Esser
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Dämmernde Stadt
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Gerda, thanks for creating this article. It's great to see you branching out into the visual arts! M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  17:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * My pleaure, really, - thank you! I only translated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination request: Henry Lewis (musician)
Ciao Gerda : Just a quick note to thank you again for you kind assistance on the DYK nomination for Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra. I have jujst completed several upgrades to Henry Lewis (musician) who served as a conductor of the orchestra while serving in the US Army. Lewis was a highly talented virtuoso and conductor who was also married to the famed mezzo-soprano Marilyn Horne, and transformed a regional symphonic ensemble in New Jersey into a internationally recognized orchestra. Perhaps you could nominate this page to the DYK column instead ? One possible "hook" might be "DYK... that the African-American conductor Henry Lewis (musician) led the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra to further cultural diplomacy throughout Europe after World War II? Naturally, if you have a better idea, feel free to use it. In meantime thanks again for your help and best wishes for continued success on Wikipedia! Ciao 2620:65:8000:A203:A033:D245:A813:D7B6 (talk) 22:43, 25 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, that is another article older than 7 day. Also. you could nominate yourself, and jut let me know to check, but please conform with the guidelines about newness, length, refrences etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 26 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Ciao Gerda: Many thanks once again for your help -- Sorry about the confusion -- I have never suggested an article for the DKN column so it is somewhat daunting.. In any case, I sent a copy of the expanded article over to User: Yoninah just in case it is now large enough to be considered. (see below) Sorry that I can't nominate it myself since I do not have an account or the technical expertise, so perhaps you could consult with User:Yoninah just in case the article might be OK for a final attempt. Many thanks again for your time and Ciao 2620:65:8000:A203:85DC:6632:19E3:1D53 (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)GCU
 * Ciao Yoninah - Many thanks for the tip --So Sorry that I was not aware of the character limits. I have attempted to increase the article further but I am not certain whether I have properly attained the required level of characters. (I think that I added 8,705 to reach a total of 26,547 bytes) Whenever you have the chance, feel free to take a look and many thanks again for your thougthtful assistance!


 * As I said on the DYK talk, if you write the recordings in prose you might be "there". I watch that page, - no need to post there and here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 26 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry again Gerda --I posted as much additional text as possible -- apparent Lewis' accomplishments were overshadowed by his wife's illustrious career! Ah well, such is the life of an artist. I hope this is enough -- good luck with the nomination efforts and Ciao! 2620:65:8000:A203:85DC:6632:19E3:1D53 (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)GCU

DYK for Behold the Sun
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hans-Georg Münzberg
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 150
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

September 2019 at Women in Red

 * Rosie, look how red my lead image is today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is indeed! Just beautiful! --Rosiestep (talk) 18:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ... matching "a brilliant call to attention" as well as Psalm 150 for which it is named --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Rosie, for more fun: I am the woman in red on the picture here, getting excited about the performance to come on Sunday, look for the little green icon on top. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing this, and it is a nice picture, but there are 2 women in the back row wearing red, and a women in the middle row, too; and I can't spot the little green icon on top. Help? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm left, above the conductor, and the green icon is on top of this page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Kastner & Öhler
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Redoute, Bad Godesberg
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for MDR Rundfunkchor
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Can improvisational music be played at a most logical state?
Hi Gerda: I'd like to take up a few minutes of your time. This is also a bit in-depth, but bear with me. Check out this space jam from the Dead, Autzen Stadium, Eugene, Oregon, 6-23-90. Particularly, check out the part from 4:10 to around 6:00, and a bit thereafter.

Note the rather slow, laid back, staid tempo being used, a controlled tempo within the context of syncopation and improvisation. Also, there's a framework to the music, and the song is obviously not wholly free-form, yet there's plenty of improvisation in it. The dynamics are mostly staid, although there are some crescendos here and there within the jam/song, as well as subtle tempo changes that diverge, and then go back, to the overall tempo in this version of the song played.

Now, specifically within the context of that jam from 4:10 to 6:00, check out the part from around 5:30 to 5:38, building tension, ellipsing with a high note by Garcia. The most important part is the release after the buildup of the tension, at the musical segue specifically from 5:38 to 5:50, for several reasons. It is rather sublime, like it's absolutely logical, and is the most logical manner that this could have been played notewise by Garcia as well as by the rest of the band at the time, as though if it could only be played that way at that time, because anything else would be less logical, this being despite the fact that overall, the jam is rather improvisational in nature. Essentially, pure logic. Also note the tempo increasing here as well, within the context of the shifting song.

Specifically, regarding that 12-second segue from 5:38 to 5:50, how can this be described in musical terms? Is this an example of exacting logic being used on-the-spot within the context of improvisational music? Could this 12-second portion of the song have potentially been played in a more logical manner. It doesn't seem so. The counterpoint seems spot-on from all angles, including Garcia counterpointing himself, as well as the band counterpointing each-other as well as counterpointing Garcia counterpointing himself. Weir (the rhythm guitarist) and Lesh (bass player) are also counterpointing themselves while counterpointing each-other and the rest of the band (keys, drummers), counterpointing the overall direction the jam is going in, as well as also counterpointing Garcia's lead, all simultaneously. Great stuff.

This is a curiousity, because people don't talk about these things much, and I'm well aware the you have a strong background in music.

Can improvisational music be played from a musical logic that cannot be improved upon? The idea is that there is a most logical way of playing, even in improvisational music, in terms of note choice, syncopation, dynamics, counterpoint and tempo, and anything else is essentially less logical.

So, am I onto something? If so, what's it all about? Conversely, I could be entirely wrong. Maybe it's just me.

Since you're an accomplished music editor and are also involved in music, I am interested in your ideas about these ideas. Searching for the sound, North America1000 13:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm busy until September 5. Looks interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


 * North America: I had no time to listen yet, and Monteverdi's music is still present in my head ;) - I had time to read, and am not surprised, - improvisation is based a lot on "logical" development in sequences and counterpoint, - a friend who is a great improviser explained that if you make a mistake in a theme, you best expand on that new theme ;) - It's a miracle to me, and the more so when a group does it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. You're the most educated regarding music I've come across on Wikipedia, so I bothered you specifically. Give the small portion a listen at your leisure. Of course, I went off on a most minute tangent in my post above, but hey, why not? Guess I'll go listen to some free jazz now. North America1000 09:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope I'll get their, it sounds really interesting! - Going to listen to Rossini's Otello. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * All you really have to listen to is the 12-second segue from 5:38 to 5:50. This overall version of the song itself is not particularly my favorite, but check out that 12-second segue. North America1000 11:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. But, instead, al day yesterday (at least that is how it felt) I frantically tried to improve Clara Schumann for today's bicentenary, falling asleep before doing what I wanted to. This morning I noticed that my friend LouisAlain is somehow in the Fram mess, - I'd need peace of mind and don't give up hope that I'll get there! There's a lot of real life going on all wekkend, then travel ... - patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No problemo. Patience is a virtue! North America1000 10:44, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Your response regarding improv in general is enough. I already get it anyway! Archive at will. North America1000 17:50, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Order ~ Chaos → Chaos ~ Order → Outro ~ fin. North America1000 17:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * NA, finally, I listened, liked it a lot but would be a total failure in finding better words for it than yours. Thanks for sharing, and patience. In yesterdays performance, music has the last word ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, and glad you enjoyed. North America1000 11:20, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest at two articles
Gerda, given the WP:COI policy at Wikipedia, do you wish to disclose a conflict of interest or connected contributor status on the articles Laudato si' (oratorio) or Glauben können wie du? (The latter is currently undergoing an Afd here, at which you have already voted.)

You appear to be the major contributor at both articles (93%, 88%). Someone with your name is listed in the external links section of the "Laudato si" article as author of a monograph about a performance of "Laudato si" in the Limburg Cathedral in 2017 apparently by the Idstein parish chorus; that performance also included the hymn "Glauben können". The website for the St. Martin, Idstein parish also contains various references to someone with your name who is involved in Church music at the parish.

There are some technical problems resolving some of the urls, but the details are that the external links section at Laudato si' lists a PDF credited to "Arendt, Gerda (2017)". The weblink looks ok on the surface, but when clicked leads to a malformed url (improper ccTLD) and I couldn't locate the article in archive.org, either. Site-targeted Google searches at domain st-martin-idstein.de turn up various search result snippets (the Google page abstract below the url and page title) listing a "Frau Gerda Arendt (Kirchenmusik)", such as at the page entitled "St. Martin, Idstein: Adressen - Pfarrei St. Martin Idsteiner Land"; or a snippet saying, "Damit erwies sich die Planung des Chorvorstandes - namentlich sei Gerda Arendt dankend erwähnt - als sehr vorausschauend, denn nur wenige Tage zuvor..." for the page entitled "St. Martin, Idstein: 17.08.05: Fotos von"; or the snippet "nachdem wir an der die Uraufführung des Oratoriums Laudato si von Peter Reulein im .... Die Martinis 2004, als die Web-Seite entstand (Fotos: Gerda Arendt)" for the page entitled "St. Martin, Idstein: Martinis - Pfarrei St. Martin Idsteiner Land". Unfortunately, the underlying redirect urls for all of these pages all seem to be malformed, so although you can see the snippets and page titles in Google's cache, you can't actually navigate to the pages themselves; this may be some kind of server error that may resolve itself next time the pages are crawled or the index is regenerated.

In any case, mangled urls or not, there appears to be enough information there for a good-faith question about whether you have a link to the Church music performed at this parish, especially to choral music performed at the Limburg Cathedral, and in particular the performance of the Laudato Si' itself. If I understand correctly from the other article, this is the same performance that contained a rendition of Glauben können wie du. If you do have such a connection, can you please disclose it, and consider adding a connected contributor template to the Talk pages of the two articles? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, St. Martin, Idstein parish (90%). Mathglot (talk) 23:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am intereted in all "my" articles, but without conflict. Did you read the discusion on the talk of St. Martin* where the question came up years ago? - Did you read my user page where I declare where I sing? - I am a lay choir singer in several choirs including St. Martin. The church article was first written by someone else in German, the oratorio article first there by yet another user. I am intereted in the Magnificat, see Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, and its manifestations. I make the press announcements for St. Martin, for free. Yes, I take pictures of events open to the public. I have zero financial interest in all I write, and don't base anything on my announcements but independent sources, - I believe that financial interest is what needs declaration, not my interest in faith, hope and love. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I love the Magnificat by Monteverdi that we'll sing on Sunday, and this announcement and picture are not by me. We are happy that world famous musicians uch as Andreas Scholl (not this time) and Elisabeth Scholl perform with us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * As far as your question: no, I didn't notice you had declared where you sing, so I went and had another look just now. But I still don't see it; I see the string 'sing' (in singen) six times; the words "chorus" and "choral" don't appear, so if it's there, it's pretty well camouflaged. If you do decide to make a declaration, it's probably best to use the UserboxCOI template, at least that has a standard appearance. I also didn't see the Talk page discussion at Idstein parish, because I never knew that article existed until yesterday.
 * I'm not an expert in COI, but I do know that it's not all about financial interest; one important feature of it is just transparency, the type that guides journalists to mention, for instance, when writing an article for their newspaper about a topic for which they may have some family, personal, or other connection. If there's a section of COI that's relevant to you, it's probably WP:EXTERNALREL, which says: "Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial... can trigger a COI.". If you're the singer in a choir that sang a hymn during a concert that was recorded, and you wrote the Wikipedia article about that hymn, and the article about that concert, I think I'd want to know about that during an Afd about one of them.
 * Another thing to keep in mind, is that COI is not an accusation of bias, it is just a statement of status of a situation where transparency might be helpful. I don't know that it matters much who originally created an article; the fact that you are a contributor is enough, as my understanding is that any significant edit is subject to disclosure. I can't say whether there is or isn't a COI, or whether you should declare; maybe the COIN folks can comment on that. If you do declare, adding connected contributor to the article talk page is the more relevant location for that imho, but it doesn't hurt to have the userbox on your user page as well. Mathglot (talk) 08:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I wrote about that specific hymn as about an estimated 50 others, old and new. Do you undertand that it appears in a book that is freely available in churches of the diocese, not dependent on sales? I never wrote an article about any specific concert, only about compositions. I note concerts in St. Martin showing repertory and making links to pieces and performers possible. As discussed before, all based on independent sources. I have only one userbox on my user page, intentionally so. How is this: "This user is or was a proud amateur singer of church choirs Kantorei St. Johannis, Rheingauer Kantorei, Chor von St. Bonifatius, Idsteiner Vokalisten, The Master Singers of Westchester, Reger-Chor and St. Martin, Idstein, and helping out in Idsteiner Kantorei."? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * FYI, Mathglot has seen fit to start a discussion at WP:COIN about this. I'm notifying you since he hasn't. See WP:COIN. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 09:21, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

L'Orione
Hi Gerda, you reverted my "undiscussed move", L'Orione, but you probably didn't notice that in fact I was restoring the original title. I see your point in citing L'Orfeo, but for some odd reason all articles related to Cavalli's operas were created without the initial Italian definite article (see the complete list at Francesco Cavalli and check each link). My intention was just to restore uniformity. Regards, —capmo (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Then please discuss this on the article talk, or - better as it concern all his work - join the discussion on project opera where I found the problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Sorry, I don't have the time or patience to engage in long discussions on minor subjects; for now I'm inclined to leave things as they are. I just really don't like to be reverted when I feel that what I was doing was right. Maybe you could have started a discussion at Orione's talk page instead of reverting me straight away (no worries, no offense taken!). Regards, —capmo (talk) 03:46, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Barbara Zechmeister
valereee (talk) 12:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Coote page
Dear Gerda

This is Alice Coote writing ...

My Wikipedia page is grossly out of date. It I s missing a very large amount of information. This has been going on for years.

I have just this evening begun to try and add some information beginning with the first paragraph. The information is factual and all fully cited information from articles and newspapers and the birthday honours list for an OBE. Within half an hour this valid information has been removed. This is unfair and also means Wikipedia is not including information it’s should. I would be very grateful if you could explain what I should do in trying to add this information and what the motivation is for removing it? Can you hekonir suggest how I can update this information permanently please ?

I would be grateful Alice Information68 (talk) 20:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Can we please continue that conversation on your talk where I began telling you what you need to do. It is discouraged that subjects write about themselves, but I trust that you can manage to stay neutral. You need to avoid resemblance in wording to all other sources, or will have copyright violation problems on top of conflict of interest. I won't have time to look until 6 September, but had to revert what looked not good by formatting standards and choice of wording, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Please look up the page for choreographer Wayne McGregor and look at the first sentences theses are on his page permanently .. can you please let me know how these are any different from the information I have inserted please..
 * I am genuinely asking.
 * Thanks Information68 (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok .. thank you for this information. Since this page has been out of date for many years and nothing has been done I will try again to edit and put in factual information. I hope that this is not deleted please, I appreciate your reply . Alice  Information68 (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) You can of course add the OBE back with its reference. Generally, try to split an edit in portions, because any bunch - especially from a new user - invites to reverting all rather than correct many formatting errrors. - Please, please, split editing in little bits, and let's discuss on your talk page. - I have no time to look at a choreographer, sorry. I looked at what you added, and it was not acceptable, which is easily explained by you being knew. Please learn the rules instead of accusing us ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for John Pierce (tenor)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

German verification
I know you are fluent in German so I was wondering if I could have some help with When have we eaten from the same dish? which is in a queue. The Variants section lists an unreferenced German phrase, but all of my searches go back to the article and two copies of it so I'm not sure if it's an actual phrase. SL93 (talk) 16:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * will look, but may take time --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Müller (politician)
valereee (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sirenen
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Hello, Gerda. You're not supposed to remove a post of yours that has been replied to, as you did here. I do believe you know this. Also, it's common sense, isn't it? It wrongfoots the other editor and unmoors their reply. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
 * for context see
 * I understood the reply as I caused her stress which I didn't intend, especially with a medical symbol on top of the talk. We have enough already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make? Removing a post she has replied to can only cause her more stress. Bishonen &#124; talk 14:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
 * I apologize. I didn see her replying to my post specifically, but was perhaps looking superficially. Katie, I'm sorry that the first mentioning of the topic on my watchlist happened to be your talk. I should have ranted somewhere else. Will add a pic of joy and turn away from the topic, for my own health. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, you'd have to look superficially or not look at all in order not to see it. Please just forget it. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC).
 * Sorry, Bish, I forget so many things, but can't forget this, not anytime soon. Someone tells you that you won't have contact to a friend again. You explode. Sometime later - and not clear from the start that to come at all - some explanation is given, but too late, you exploded already. Then you are told you should not focus on the horrible time in between. - OK, back to content, the only refuge. I have a peer review open, this user will not rest until this is TFA on some 1 September, because this user can't forgive herself that she didn't manage a simple DYK on concert day. Our concert was reviewed favourably, pictured. DYK which word the composer stressed, 400 years ago? "Fruuu-straaa, frustra vigilat - frustra vigilat - qui custodit eas". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * just fyi, Joe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Carola Nossek has been accepted
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Explain: it's LouisAlain's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Hans Riemer
Want to look at this one, Hans Riemer (Austrian politician)?

Thanks! --evrik (talk) 21:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Later, yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
I randomly logged in today. I sometimes edit from an IP. Still occasionally log in but life catches up, time isn't as available as it once was. It is great to see this project thrive and see some of my own Wikipedian legacy sprinkled here and there as a reader.Thank you for the kind message and honor. IvoShandor (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Hamm
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Re: Freddie Mercury
I didn't mean that there should be a new page. I meant that someone should add him in Selected anniversaries/September 5 where there are also other people who have their birthday today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scatman5325 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You are new, and I encourage you to read the links in the welcome message I sent you. Then you will understand:


 * The place where you posted is dedicated just to the featured article of today, so where you want to raise attention is elsewhere.
 * You should sign your posts.
 * You will probably have to do it yourself: go to the anniversary section on the Main page, and ask there. Next year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ursula Boese
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt
valereee (talk) 12:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ich steh vor dir mit leeren Händen, Herr
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Peter Lindbergh
 Spencer T• C 22:04, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping on this ITNC. this would not have succeeded without your efforts. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  10:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * DBigXray Probably. There were many before where I tried and didn't succeed, so this one feels good, however late. I feel that we are sometimes to petty when it comes to having to reference publications open to the world ;) - If you nominate one related to Germany / Austria / Switzerland, please ping me. Thanks for having nominated him! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. In past I had often struggled with some noms due to the language barrier. Now I know whom to bother. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I could always say no ;) - The list of those who died - and I cared - is already awfully long in 2019. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed. There are a few who care. These ITNs are a way for me to give them a tribute in a meaningful way, while learning about their good work. Collaboration here, shares the load and greatly enhances the chance of the ITN making it to the main page.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester
— Maile (talk) 04:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, too bad you didn't ask for input on that; I would have called it the "Radical Left Wind Orchestra"; but it's only there for a day, so nbd. Mathglot (talk) 08:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You mean you would have left out the irony of "so-called" and that the German term "de:Blasorchester" is in English "wind band"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Harry Buckwitz
— Maile (talk) 01:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Long break
Thank you for your review of the Bziza temple DYK submission. It is the feedback of users like yourself and your encouragement that keeps me editing after a loooong break. Thank you for your kindness. ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 05:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome back, and that's good news! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

On 's talk page
Thank you so much for reverting it; I apologize for the seriously careless mistake. Once again, thank you. Dhio-270599 11:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Taken, it happens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sonata in A minor for Solo Flute, Wq. 132
valereee (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lingzhi2 -- Lingzhi2 (talk) 06:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Lingzhi, for taking that one up, and the next, another of "my" articles with the key-word "peace". Just today, I received a note on the talk of a related image, which is also my "image for 2019", in the infobox on my user page and for my inages, theme "thanks". The note is fit for my "blushing" section: "This image, with all its faces, rejoicing in song, touched my heart. --Gwillhickers "


 * "peace" could be the theme for 2020 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good theme. Let's pray for world peace while we're at it. Cheers. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 13:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, and for peace in what is regarded "wars" here. I have reading for you when you finished reviewing, let's call it a reward. Don't want to distract you right now ;) - Both articles were written a while ago, so I will need to refresh my memory. Today's job: make a great woman presentable for her bicentenary tomorrow. I managed to reduce calling her by just her first name, and simplifying some sentences. Would love more focus on what she did than the negative things she said about the works of others, sigh. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Not to worry. If you're persistent, all roads lead to 'Rome'. See you there. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I am persistent ;) - My first barnstar was for resilience. We went to Rome, see Chor von St. Bonifatius, happy faces in praise singing in concert at San Paolo dentro le Mura, in mass at the Cathedral, and during the papal reception on St. Peter's Square where we were permitted to stand up for 45 seconds and sing, - Bach ;) (the ending of Sicut locutus est, 5-part fugue) - For the 'Rome' of peace, I have a vision of 2020 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lingzhi2 -- Lingzhi2 (talk) 06:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gesine Schröder has been accepted
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DYK for Empress Elisabeth Bridge
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein
The article Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Im Frieden dein, o Herre mein for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lingzhi2 -- Lingzhi2 (talk) 03:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK Clara Schumann (13 September 1819 – 20 May 1896)
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Did you know ...

... that today is the bicentenary of birth of Clara Schumann?

... that she married Robert Schumann the day before her 21st birthday, and they had eight children?

... that she composed a Piano Concerto?

... that she toured Britain extensively with violinist Joseph Joachim and others?

... that she was an influential piano teacher (and the only woman) at Dr. Hoch's Konservatorium in Frankfurt?

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

self-congratulation of the crassest kind
I hereby pat myself on the back. If you look at WikiProject_Good_articles/GAN_Backlog_Drives/September_2019, it offers seven different barnstars as rewards, in ascending order according to difficulty/achievement. The three highest awards were all created by none other than yours truly. So now I am killing myself to try to get up to 20 reviews (impossible for me, I think, because I take too much time on each) in order to be given a barnstar that I actually created many years ago. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 16:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Lingzhi, I congratulate you to the GA reviews you do, simple and grateful! Among the 10 rules I can't recommend highly enough, "don't compare" is one. (Look below the smile above, in you cas you missed them.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Lingzhi, I think we need Recitative and aria, as a basic concept of much of sung classical music, sacred and secular. for example - Some of it is already in Aria, perhaps a redirect might be a starting point. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

aria and recitative
...so, are you gonna write Aria and recitative? Perhaps in your userspace, and move it into mainspace later? Tks ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 06:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm off to travel for the week. So, yes, if nobody else does. You could ask project opera, where it comes from. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Recitative comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Started here; it's gonna take a long time. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine, thank you. Just arrived, but will explore now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Franziska Martienssen-Lohmann
valereee (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Luigi Colani
RD nom? – Sca (talk) 17:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * sad, - and referencing is also sad, - travelling ... will see after my watchlist, all help welcome, he certainly deserves it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, won't have time today, on vacation, - I did some basic copy-editing, and everybody is welcome to add the missing refs. Can't be too hard with obituaries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Psalm 100, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * That is not a maintenance template but a disgrace. If you really believe that Hebrew Bible text and its translation need protection, remove silently. What you do:


 * 1) tag bombing
 * 2) worse tag bombing
 * is not acceptable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Elizium23: Explaining further: you see a problem that I don't see. My edit summary explained that, I believe. You did the same to Psalms 1, 23, 51 and 42, so far. We have threads on your talk page and Yoninah. I assume in good faith that you see a problem, but the way you go about it is not helpful to readers. Please think about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am observing the prescribed procedures for copyright violation claims. "Silently removing them" is a disservice to the copyright holders and the editors on Wikipedia who work with articles. Please do not remove maintenance templates until the issues are resolved. "Tag bombing" is defined as "unjustified". I have explained my rationale for adding the tags. Elizium23 (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If I had translated a text which is 3000 years old I'd be happy to see it on Wikipedia. You have not yet said what you'd do instead. Translate it yourself? Request permission from the copyright holder? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You keep claiming the Hebrew text is thousands of years old. I suppose you are not familiar with developments such as Masoretic Text, Chapters and verses of the Bible, etc. Yoninah said the text is from the Tanakh. Great, which edition? I am confident that there are Hebrew transcriptions that are public-domain, much like there are English translations that are public-domain. But you can't have your cake and eat it too: any plain, Modern English translation that you may prefer is likely to be copyrighted. Ask any Bible translator who can tell you it gets very interesting to produce a new translation; you need to make sure that you haven't infringed another one, even by accident! Elizium23 (talk) 21:58, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Enjoy your superiority, but what can we do to protect our readers from the tags? How can we discuss the text of a psalm when we have to send a reader to an external link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Apparently it boils down to the KJV being public domain and the other translations not. That completely ignores the Jewish version and POV. Yoninah (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * We need to find a way. Psalm settings mentioned on the Main page, today ;) - "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:35, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

ANI
WP:Great Dismal Swamp begun 17 September, and two later discussions in the context moved below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Removing links as you threatened because "you're ashamed" of a tag? That is disruptive, and nobody appreciates you breaking stuff because tihs wasn't resolved in mere minutes from my discovering pervasive issues in dozens of articles. Elizium23 (talk) 06:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

shameful
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=916228030&oldid=916226939&diffmode=visual this edit]: saying you feel ashamed is an explanation of your feelings, and while people might dispute whether or not it is logical for you to feel ashamed, they cannot dispute how you feel. Saying that a situation is shameful is saying that those responsible for the situation should feel ashamed of themselves. Thus the elapsed time since it was posted is shameful implies that everyone should be ashamed of themselves for allowing the tags to remain. The difference is a comment on your own feelings vs a comment on everyone else's behaviour. isaacl (talk) 22:04, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * isaacl, what is the right wording then for what I feel: that it's the article which is in a condition of shame when "Blatant copyright violations" at its top suggests that the content can't be trusted, that one editor stole intellectual property (in June 2918), and other editors ignored. My POV: one editor included the original text (finally!) with the most appropriate translation she could find, which has now been replaced by a translation out of copyright, which - to my obervation - is quite similar, - there may be larger differences for other psalms, admitted. The tag I (therefore) hated (as other tags discrediting articles where the reader can see it) is gone, but I hold my breath because it seems to have been removed by someone not aware of the whole discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * One possibility is for you to indicate your feelings (sadness, anger, regret, or anything else) over the article having a badge of disrepute for an extended period of time (or, less colourfully, a prominent notice of concern). isaacl (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Isaacl, Gerda has a right to her feelings and the right to express herself. Nobody is responsible for her emotions but her. She didn't break any community policies so I suggest you stop trying to police this situation, and just let it go.4meter4 (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I responded directly to Gerda's questions (first at the incidents noticeboard, and then above) asking on how to word her statement. I only offered a suggestion because Gerda asked for one. I haven't said anything about not expressing feelings, and absolutely agree they should be freely expressed. isaacl (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I was referring to your decision to even comment on her use of the word shameful in the first place.4meter4 (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * On the incidents noticeboard, Gerda said If "shameful" is not the correct word for "I feel ashamed for it", please forgive me. English is not my native language. Accordingly, I clarified the difference between her use of the elapsed time since it was posted is shameful and I feel ashamed for it. I chose to comment on this talk page rather than at the incidents noticeboard, so the discussion could be less public. I offered no opinion on the original choice of wording. isaacl (talk) 06:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Appologies for my misunderstanding of the context of your remarks.4meter4 (talk) 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Bible translations in the public domain
Hi Gerda. I saw that you were in a conversation about translation use. In case this is useful, the following bible translations are in the public domain: American Standard Version (ASV) Darby Translation (DARBY) Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) King James Version (KJV) World English Bible (WEB) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Reina-Valera Antigua (RVA) Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)

The American Standard Version is the one typically used in Academic Seminaries for theological journal publications.

For a Jewish translation in the public domain, the Jewish Publication Society's Hebrew Bible from 1917 is in the public domain.

As for User:Yoninah translating the text, that would be original scholarly work as Biblical translation is not using languages currently being spoken, and being interpreted in a time and place and culture no longer in existence. If it's her own original translations, that's amazing, but not verifiable by wikipedia's standards for WP:No Original Research. Biblical translation requires skilled analysis, I know I went to seminary and studied Biblical Greek and Hebrew myself. Translation in this context is research and not just mere translation. Thanks for your good work on the Psalms.4meter4 (talk) 01:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I read that thread, and went -- pfffft. Just seems like copyright paranoia to me. The translation at issue may be copyright; fine, we can use a different one, e.g. the one 4meter4 suggests. As of those revisions in the history, honestly, I just don't get how people get so pantytwisted over that -- it's not the current version, it's not harming the source, and removing the revisions from all the other Psalms would be a rather large job. But I'm sure lots of people disagree with me; oh well. Antandrus (talk) 02:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, both, I feel much better reading your comments, - ready for another vacation day with joyful noise (organ concert at noon and hopefully symphony concert planned). Eric (Corbett) told me "chin up", which I have taken to heart, and the top image illustrates the attitude well ;) - Also: Ray's Rules (look for his smile and click on "don't get too upset over this". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes Antndrus, it may be a big job to clean this all up, but let's consider the alternative: admins and editors become lax on copyright issues, and eventually an infringement is large enough for the WMF to be hit with a significant DMCA takedown notice, and then an infringement lawsuit. The overriding reason that we take copyright seriously here is because it's a legal liability. The same reason we take BLPs seriously. The other reason we take a dim view of copyrighted content is that Wikipedia is fundamentally about freely-licensed content. We live and breathe CC-BY-SA here. Free content enjoys pride of place on the project, and it is rightly deserved. We are doing all we can to advance the cause of Creative Commons and other free licensing. I have been an advocate of Free and Open-Source Software for almost 30 years. There is no longer a good justification for stifling innovation and sharing with restrictions on proprietary content and "intellectual property". Free content is an idea whose time has come, and so let's use PD Bible translations (until someone makes a CC-BY-SA translation!) because free content is good for everyone. Elizium23 (talk) 06:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The copyright violations were in old revisions. You defaced the current, copyright-violation-free version with a hideous tag, that applied to nothing a passing reader would actually see. That's the problem. That's called "copyright paranoia". Look, I'm glad you are trying to help, but listen to me lecture you right back -- I've been an admin here longer than you have been an editor and this is a classic case of overreacting. Antandrus (talk) 13:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Antandrus, on my way out (again) to listen to Blomstedt (failwell concert): click on "don't get too upset over this" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I miss Raymond. He was one of my best friends here. -- Have a good time today -- will do the same. :) Antandrus (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I miss Br'er Rabbit, to whom he said it (when he was banned because he wanted it). He was one of my best friend here. - Yes, a good time with the serene conductor obviously enjoying Haydn 104 and Brahms 2, without baton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Just a further note to everyone, bible copyrights are often less strict than other published resources. For example, the NIV translation allows a fair use rationale as follows: "may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without the express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses quoted do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted." The Complete Jewish Bible allows up to 500 words of quoted material as long as a specific attribution is given: . As long as you are following these guidelines from the publisher and are clearly providing attribution as requested by the publisher, I don't see why you couldn't use scripture quotes to a certain extent from more contemporary translations. Copyright policy on wikipedia isn't my specialty, so others may feel free to chime in. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . But Gerda and I are undertaking a long-term project of updating all the psalms pages, which would entail a lot more than 500 verses. Psalm 119 alone has 176 verses. Yoninah (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, I think what might work is having the full Hebrew and 1927 translation, and explaining alternatives using the other (or others) in just bits where needed. I just returned from a great concert, and haven't looked what else happened in the meantime, and am not even in the mood to look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yoninah, from my interpretation, each wikipedia article would be it's own separate use, and you could use up to 500 verses per article (as long as it does not exceed 24% of the article's text). If it's 500 verses only wikipedia wide, that's another matter. You could always contact the publisher and see what they say. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:03, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That is a moot point: Gerda and Yoninah do not wish to use "Christian sources" for Bible translations, they want a Jewish translation. Also, Wikipedia has stricter non-free content criteria than the publishers of the NIV allow. Simply quoting non-free text verbatim in toto (and they want full-text of all 150 Psalms) is far, far more than our policy will allow. Elizium23 (talk) 20:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Precision please (even if I'm not in the mood for the whole topic, and am biting my tongue not to respond to some of your comments): Yoninah wants a Jewish translation, and I (Christian) support that wish, to fight systematic bias, in this case for Christian while the psalms were originally Jewish. What in my comment in this thread, "explaining alternatives ... in just bits where needed" (bolding added now), was unclear? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Elizium23, I provided both Christian and Jewish resources for them to consider. Guess you missed that. Thank you for clarifying the policy towards non-free content criteria. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Psalms
Hi Gerda,

Following up on your note on Talk:Psalm 100, " MLauba, will you do the same for the other articles in question? The list is on Elizium23's talk. 1, 23, 42 and 51 are most urgent."

As much as I'd like to, I'd rather not, not in the present state. Considering the distress you felt over the maintenance tags, I will most certainly not take a knife to the content and excise portions of the article text without due consideration of what should, in practice, stay there.

My suggestion is as follows: Open a section on WT:CP dedicated to Psalms translations, rewrite the portions in a manner satisfactory to you and your colleagues, and once satisfied, let us know the intermediary revisions to revdel in that WT:CP section. We have the whole list of affected Psalms, I don't see an absolute necessity for keeping the tags up in the meantime. This is obviously out of process, but I believe WP:IAR can accommodate this approach, unless User:Diannaa has a strong objection over it.

If this is not acceptable, then I'm afraid it will be dealt with through the usual copyvio cleanup process once someone gets around to dealing with the September 16 listings, meaning mostly a straight revert to the last known good version before you and User:Yoninah put all that work in. I believe that would be a waste.

If that works, happy to help, and since I'm mostly absent these days, don't hesitate to drop me a wikimail when something needs to be processed. MLauba (Talk) 21:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I think that's a reasonable approach. (I can do the revdelling too if you let me know which ones, and if you're not around.) I also dislike those hideous tags. Antandrus (talk) 21:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * A good approach, thank you! - I didn't see any other tag that [insert unprintable]. There are tags on Psalms 1, 23, 42, 51, fat and ugly, but not describing what happened as criminal. ("A Wikipedia editor committed the crime of blatant copyright violation, and her colleagues didn't act on it, only finally one hero.") Revdel leaves susspicions about the severity of the case, and also all further edits are secret now, - that's why I think it's not the best we can do. How about a notice on the talk page of these psalms, describing the case, then rewriting the article, with perhaps a one line tag, saying that in former versions, the text was copyrighted. Be inventive, I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * and Gerda: I'm not understanding the technical discussion here. I just want to say that I put a lot of work into setting up the Hebrew/English chart, and it would be a shame to delete everything when we're keeping the Hebrew text. Could I go back and edit those Psalm pages to remove the English text and note in the edit summary that it is a copyright violation? Then I wouldn't have to re-copy all the Hebrew. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think so -- I certainly don't want you to lose all that work! -- but I might be missing something. Seems like if the Hebrew, the chart, and a copyright-compliant English translation were in the current version all should be well. Antandrus (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it will take me time to input the copyright-compliant English version. I could just erase the non-copyright-compliant English in a jiffy. Yoninah (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well whatever is easiest for you, I'll try to help you with. If you ever need a revdelled version undeleted and sent to you just let me know. :) Antandrus (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I was able to remove all the copyrighted English translation text from every Psalm except Psalm 1 and Psalm 42, which have revdel tags on them. It would be easier to just remove the text than revert and delete the whole addition, since the Hebrew is fine. I also notice that the Hebrew Wikipedia has a cleaner text (no cantillation marks) for many of the psalms; I could copy from there when adding another (freely-licensed) English translation. Yoninah (talk) 18:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * also Psalm 51. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:24, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Antandrus, also Psalm 23, and it's different tags, not revdel but copyvio investigation. I don't know what to do. Another great concert, orthodox church music here: bell pieces, men's quartete and mixed choir. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure either -- I have to work today, but if you leave me instructions I can look at it later (i.e. which revisions, if any, to delete from which psalms). - Gerda, that sounds wonderful, I've never been to Finland. Always wanted to go to Ainola, and just stand under the trees and think of Tapiola. Alas summer is ending and my hiking places already have snow; but here on the coast the sun says no to such things. Antandrus (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As said further up, I don't think versions need to be deleted if we find a way to protect some from being edited, or give those an edit notice, or give an edit notice to a psalm "Please don't restore older versions because they may contain copyrighted material." - Small world: strolling, I saw a sign "Tapiola 5.5 km", but turned the other way to Seurasaari, taking very similar pictures in pleasant weather. Home tomorrow, which means another day not much active on WP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed the translation from Psalm 84, - anybody for an alternative one which is out of copyright? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Gerda, we'll have to discuss what we're doing about this. But not today. Yoninah (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, bedtime. Anybody welcome though to add an old-enough English translation to the only psalm article which is a GA, and looks incomplete without some translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

I removed the non-free EN translation on Psalm 23. Regarding the old revisions, the way not to make them editable is to hide them from view. There's no other method except what we did before REVDEL was implemented, and that method is both a lot uglier and against policy these days. I understand you don't like it, but at the end of the day, the readers - who we do this for - care about the text of the article, not whether its history is entirely accessible. MLauba (Talk) 21:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 73 revisions (several by Elizium23) not visible because we have no better method ..., but hiding is better than revdel, I didn't even know it exists. Thank you for undertaking the task. When I get time, I will make a table. Probably not today. Can you think of a note on the talk page explaining to a reader who my wonder? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Psalm 42 done as well. MLauba (Talk) 21:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Psalm 51 is now done too. MLauba (Talk) 11:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless I missed anything, all remaining Psalms are now devoid of the non-free translations, mostly thanks to Yoninah's work. I hope you will be able to find a suitable translation quickly, I'm sorry for all the hard labor that had to be removed. MLauba (Talk) 12:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you. Yoninah (talk) 12:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm just looking at the history of Psalm 1 and a lot more has been reverted/deleted than just my addition of the English translation. It seems like my whole rewrite of the Background and themes section was reverted and is now unavailable for me to reinstate it. Same with the other psalms. I thought you were only going to delete the one edit with the English translation added. Yoninah (talk) 12:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * For Revision deletion to be any use, every revision from the introduction of the material to its removal has to be hidden. However, the only thing I did in terms of content is pick the table, and remove the EN translations from the corresponding cells. Your rewrite of the Background has not been reverted at all and is as you left it on Jan 26th, inclusive of the tweak to Psalm 112 (111) wikilink performed by JohnThorne. Rest assured that for all the others, while the intervening revisions are hidden, I did not revert the content, with the exception of 51, where Gerda had removed the table wholesale, and I restored it as is from the wikitext in the version immediately prior. MLauba (Talk) 12:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that I removed too much, thinking that Hebrew and Latin are Chinese to most readers. I think the Latin should go (or should we also have German and French?), and the title of the column "English" should also go. Hoping for English soon, but am of no help in that matter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Help with translations of psalms from Hebrew wanted!
Please help if you know a decent translation of a psalm directly from Hebrew to English which is NOT under copyright. Psalms 84, 23, 42, 51 and more to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ulrike Sonntag
valereee (talk) 00:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Brigitte Kronauer
valereee (talk) 12:01, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Der Club
Hi, I promoted this to Prep 4, but edited it this way:
 * ... that Der Club, a weekly talk show on Swiss television discussing current topics in dialect, was first aired in 1985 as Zischtigsclub (Tuesday Club)?
 * "In dialect" is catchy but seems incomplete. It should say either "in the local dialect" or "in German", no? Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't "dialect" default to "local dialect" if nothing else is specified, while "in German" would default to "High German" - wich is wrong here? Perhaps we should add "from Zürich". I used Swiss television instead of Schweizer Fernsehen, but perhaps that's a mistake in this case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "In dialect" means in some kind of dialect, it's not specifying. How about:
 * ... that Der Club, a weekly German-language talk show on Swiss television discussing current topics, was first aired in 1985 as Zischtigsclub (Tuesday Club)? Yoninah (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * fine by me, - Zischtig instead of the high German Dienstag should tell everybody who knows that --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Der Club (talk show)
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

To bold or not to bold, That is the quotation.
Hello. We can ask for a public consensus on this, on a different talk page, if it becomes controversial, but I doubt that it is... :) And please excuse the lengthiness of the following post, verbosity is not a quality I lack :-)

Recently you removed the bold formatting (triple apostrophes) of the page title name quoted in the lead paragraphs of Clara and Robert Schumann's List Of Compositions pages. You appeared to have a problem with the link to the main (bio) page (the composer's name) being within the bolding, but I didn't understand your objection. I compomised and removed the link from within the bold, and just bolded the rest of the title. Your further undo (on only the Clara List page) complained that having "by" bold without the following name was odd-looking; I agree.

However, you pointed out that other composer lists pages have no bold in the page name (title) used in the first sentence of the lead paragraph. I can easily point out more list pages that have the bold, as well as just about ALL articles in the WP mainspace. I have had pages that I've worked on corrected by others making that title bold. One of them pointed out (as I've done) that it's a WP policy. I found that policy as a subpage of the WP MoS (Manual of Style) under Lead Paragraph: Writing_better_articles


 * "As a general rule, the first (and only the first) appearance of the page title should be in boldface as early as possible in the first sentence."

and
 * "Use as few links as possible before and in the bolded title. Thereafter, words used in a title may be linked to provide more detail."

The second part tells me it's okay to have a link within the bold, though if that looks odd, it could be a browser rendering issue, especially if one's browser is user-set to make all links display bold instead of underlined (the default). But I don't think having a link in bold will break a link... that's what it seemed you were saying: "no link from bold title", unless you meant "within" instead of "from".

I think per WP policy, all list pages should have the title (page name) in the lead paragraph's first sentence to be in bold, especially for consistency, and all pages you come across without it should be bolded. But I would accept a compromise: just put "list of compositions" in bold and "by [name]" no bold. Though actually on second thought include the "by" in bold, and just keep the name link in normal typeface, as it's already highlighted by the link.

I didn't want to get into an edit war over style with you (the same MoS page strongly frowns on this), so I didn't make any more BOLD Edits ;-) I don't particularly care one way or the other about the bolding, I just like consistency, and I think bold in that place does appear to make the page easier for one's eye to catch. It may also have something to do with search engines flagging on that bold in the first sentence of the page; I think that's why the policy got started.

P.S. Thank you for all your work making those extensive rewordings of the Clara Schumann bio page; so much easier to read now! Saguaro-sun/Chuckstreet (talk) 03:17, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The advice in the last line of WP:Writing better articles is contradicted by WP:BOLDAVOID. Articles like List of compositions by Robert Schumann should follow the MoS. This style is widely accepted – see articles in Category:Opera discographies. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:02, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Michael. For the same reason I try to have BWV bold but not linked in articles about Bach composition, but successful only in articles I create, and not in the infobox.
 * Thank you, Chuckstreet, for a much better list of her compositions, and others! What do think about making it sortable, like Reger's. Also - just waking up - did you add a citation for a 1833 date to her piano concerto? More details there from the bio (which I don't have) welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * You are indeed making great progress with Clara Schumann. In preparation for GA, may I suggest you expand the lead, summarizing the main developments in her life. See for example Kathleen Ferrier or even Frédéric Chopin.--Ipigott (talk) 06:54, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ringkirche
valereee (talk) 00:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!
Sorry I didn't write before, but I really was touched by the prize. Thanks very much!&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  00:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, to the recognition and my talk! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Irina Bogacheva (mezzo-soprano)
Stephen 01:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

List of compositions by Johannes Brahms page and history deleted
Hi Gerda! Do you know how we can get an Admin to undo the mess those other two did on the Brahms List? Undo doesn't work because the record of the previous versions in the edit history has been deleted too. We need to get the Edit History back for all three pages (List, List by opus, List by genre), so this mess can be undone, and do it right this time. I have some backups in my sandbox and offline, but they're updates, not a full page, but even if we restore it, the edit histories need to be restored and I don't know how to do that. Who can we call?...

See my posting on Talk:List of compositions by Johannes Brahms (and what's left of the edit histories) for details on what happened.

I was literally posting some more updates when the whole thing vanished into the abyss, and there was nothing for me to update. I was so pleased with the way my new table looked too, with highlights, sub-genres, sortable and everything, and got all the pages merged and moved, and these two bozos come along... Argggh! Chuckstreet (talk) 06:41, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * You'll need an admin, and Graham87 is the best for such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow I just got this. But I fixed it after the message on my talk page. Graham 87 09:52, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Antonia Laucher
Do you think it's worth the pain ? It will be an orphan one here. LouisAlain (talk) 10:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Not now, and never in that detail ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

October Events from Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Re categories on userpage
Hi Gerda Arendt, I was wondering why these categories on the bottom of your userpage are still red. :-) Lotje (talk) 09:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * They are intentionally red, and they are no true categories because the category police is after such things, - ask Pablo X. (Category:Wikipedians under surveillance by the Categories Police). Civil inobedience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * "Disobedience" ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 11:27, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Ungehorsam. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

OK. Lunch time tomorrow
OK. Unless real life intervenes, which it sometimes does, I'm gonna try to cover every issue in your GAN during lunch break tomorrow, which is around 6:00 to 7:30 AM in Idstein, Germany. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 11:26, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Tomorrow should be a good day for answering questions for me, will travel on Thirsday. No rush whatsoever, that article may eventually become FA but not for 1 January 2020, - I just had the TFA that day this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * see questions ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 11:14, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Re:Precious anniversar
As always, thank you. You are indeed a very special person. I hope you have a very nice traveling experience on Thursday. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

E♭
"Abendlich strahlt der Sonne Auge; in prächtiger Gluth prangt glänzend die Burg."

It's not quite the same thing, but my great-grandfather sang Gunther with Richter in the first Ring in English at Covent Garden in 1908. Is Valkyrie next on your list ?

I really popped by to ask if you could have a quick look at my drafts of British Symphony Orchestra and British Symphony Orchestra discography and let me what you think, especially the discography. There's even links to some Bach cantatas... MinorProphet (talk) 22:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


 * MinorProphet, perfect timing, the sound is still with me, Der Ring in Minden! Wotan will also be Gunther, and Loge also Siegmund, and Siegfried twice, and all good and with lyric and comic elements, - he left the stage like a jester! Calling Wehwalt to the scene, because he might be interested. - I'll look at the articles, but not right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Vespro della Beata Vergine
valereee (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV
The article Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Fallt mit Danken, fallt mit Loben, BWV 248 IV for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Lingzhi2 -- Lingzhi2 (talk) 04:41, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

And a barnstar for you too!

 * Thank you, you are very kind yourself ;) - My day today, my article of the year on DYK, a new article GA, music of Der Ring in Minden still in my head ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

May interest you
Hi Gerda, based on your past interest in some of my editing projects, I thought you might be interested to know that I've nominated Charles H. Stonestreet, a Georgetown president, for FAC. If you're at all interested in leaving comments, I'd appreciate them.  Ergo Sum  17:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and I am interested, but will be away for most of the time until 6 October, look for Minden above. - If you have spare time, I have a peer review open ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

William Strickland (conductor)
Hi Gerda - I've made an edit to this article, and left a message on the Talk page requesting help for creating two refs to newspapers, and deleting a bad one. If you don't know how to do this, maybe you know someone else who does. All I do nowadays is read articles that I'm interested in, or occasionally make minor corrections that don't require refs; my brain has stopped working, and the last thing I want to do is learn how to do this myself. Many thanks for any help, and my very best wishes to you. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Milkunderwood, thank you for coming over, and sad to hear about your brain. Ideally, what someone would have to do is look for the citation style in that article, and make a proper reference in that style. If you think you are not the one, you could either hope someone sees this, or just put the urls betwen opening and closing a ref in the article, or say the same thing on project classical music. I am happily away for my first Ring! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. No, I'm sorry; I've always been confused about this kind of ref cite even when I was still compos mentis. I hope your Ring will be wonderful. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, although I said on that Strickland talk page that the Washington Times ref should be removed, it needs to remain, because it apparently contains information that neither NYTimes nor the Tennessean provide. But it does need a proper link, which it doesn't presently have. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Andrea Ihle
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Alois Ickstadt
Hi, Gerda! I am happy to review another of your DYK nominations at Template:Did you know nominations/Alois Ickstadt. There's a couple of minor issues, so please stop by when you have the time. Cheers, Surtsicna (talk) 10:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sigmund Jähn
--- Coffee  and crumbs  13:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Willy-Brandt-Platz
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Euro-Skulptur
Hi Gerda, inspired by your DYK on Willy-Brandt-Platz, I've "blued" one of the red links there, finally bringing Ottmar Hörl's Euro-Skulptur to English Wikipedia. It was my first translation ever with the new tool which still is in beta. ;) You might like to give the article a "final polish", as you are so much more aware of the usances on enwiki.

BTW, I also have a question on Template:Interlanguage link which seems to have made its way into English and French Wikipedia recently. Has it been introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation, or has this been requested and developed by the enwiki community? Also, do you have to use the template by hand, or is there a bot looking for missing articles and, thus, making suggestions for translations?

Thanks in advance,--Aschmidt (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the sculpture article! the ill-links have been availble here from around 2010, and I use them manually. A bot would probably link Willy-Brandt-Platz to de:Willy-Brandt-Platz ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for providing the background! I was somewhat puzzled by finding interwiki links within articles because I'm not used to that, bearing our rules on dewiki in mind, but it seems to progress quickly now in other language versions, so perhaps we might introduce it there, too, some day. Maybe I'll again spend some more time on English and French Wikipedia, we'll see. :) ATB,--Aschmidt (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jessye Norman
 Spencer T• C 03:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I am so grateful for her singing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Clara Schumann
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Clara Schumann you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Reaper Eternal -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Potential Merger
Hey, I was thinking of merging The Music of Francis Poulenc with List of compositions by Francis Poulenc and as you're the articles main composer I thought I'd get your opinion. As I see it there's no need for a composer with a relatively small body of work to have two pages devoted to his compositions. It's not like with Mozart where his catalogue is so large it needs to be split. Both pages are fairly small so when combined they wouldn't be enormous. Also The Music of Francis Poulenc's page views are only a fraction of the composition list page so the (in my mind) much better laid out page is going unseen.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts, Hochithecreator (talk) 18:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, how would you do it. If you plan to merge the plain list to the sortable one, you'd have to ask the others ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I'd keep the prose introduction from The Music of Francis Poulenc and then have "Compositions by Genre" and "Compositions by FP No." as they appear on the respective pages. As neither article has a talk page I'm not sure how I would ask the others. Hochithecreator (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * To have compositions by genre and by number is exactly why the sortable list exists. Compare Reger and Sibelius. I find it more elegant and less redundant to have each piece listed only once, but be able to sort by different criteria (title, year of composition ...). You can find contributors in the article history, - the bulk was added by Kleinzach. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Merger finally carried out Hochithecreator (talk) 16:30, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Klemens Fischer
Gerda, your German language skills would be useful at this AFD. I know its not your content area, but I thought you might be willing to help with an informed opinion. I have no opinion myself. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I replied already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Brahms
Hi Gerda - the 'music' section of this article is poor and needs completely rewriting, so you needn't bother too much about it. I've only dealt with the Life in my rewrite so far.--Smerus (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, thanks for the warning. I'm done for the moment. The latest gem was "Brahms's point of view looked both backward and forward". Let's look forward ;) - Siegfried (first on stage ever) was great yesterday, forward to Götterdämmerung (seen before as pictured)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Brahms edit-warring by Smerus

I see you found a way around some of the Brahms' vs Brahms's problems by simply changing it to "his". I thought of that myself, but I didn't want to go making controversial changes while it was being discussed on the talk page and we hadn't reached consensus yet. That's what I tried to tell Smerus, but he insisted on edit-warring and is now on the edge of violating 3RR. One more change by him and I'm taking it to ANI. His politicking posts in the talk page thread along the lines of "I'm right so what I say goes" are disruptive and not conducive to constructive intelligent dialog.

He even lied about it and tried to turn it around on me, but I never made the edits, he did, without discussing it on the talk page instead. He even had a meatpuppet post there for him, LindsayH. I followed the procedures and notified him on his talk page and in my revert edit summaries.

I'm not going to complain about your edits, even though the talk discussion is still ongoing and we haven't reached consensus. We don't reach consensus just by claiming we have because that shuts out the conversation, a sort of deplatforming. Smerus' shouting me down is not going to work either. I'm trying to have a constructive dialog, but several people have just loudly insisted "It's in the rules, so we're done" when in fact the rules say otherwise. Chuckstreet (talk) 17:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I didn't pay much attention to the article, but now looked and found it in poor shape. I told you already to take it easier. I almost never go by teh rulez so forgive me for not being helpful about that part. In articles I wrote and care about, there won't be any Brahms' - with or without "s". Example Vier ernste Gesänge. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Chuckstreet, so, for a change, I looked at MOS:POSS, - very simple by that: "If a name already ends in s or z and would be difficult to pronounce if 's were added to the end, consider rearranging the phrase to avoid the difficulty" - that's what I tried without reading. If not rephrased, it ought to be "Brahms's" per the MoS, with the only exception "for Brahms' sake". Please look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Chuckstreet, I urge you to tell me here what you see at the section linked above, which is from the Manual of Style. What you quote is some article on apostrophe which seems NOT RELEVANT at all. (Sorry for shouting.) Seems a big misunderstanding, with a lot of noise. I think a little apology might be in order, or what do I read wrong? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Gerda, thanks for your comments. Mr Chuckstreet is now claiming on the Brahms talk page that you are in favour of changing many or most of the occurrences of "Brahms's" to "his". I don't know what his authority is for that - if he is overstepping the mark I think you should make that clear. It would make the article read very oddly in English.I see your comment above that you 'almost never go by the rules' - However, I think you might need to be a but careful here; as we have discussed in other situations, English is not your first language, and that may mean you are not always fully sensitive of what your constructions may imply to other readers. To my mind the Brahms talkpage already shows a clear consensus against Chuckstreet's suggestions, and I find it difficult to understand why, rationally, he is continuing what is essentially a one-man campaign. He is implying that you are on his side, but it doesn't seem that way to me; but maybe I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time :-). His personal comments on me above are unacceptable WP behaviour and I will be reporting them. Best Smerus (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC).
 * Chuckstreet seems to be hard to understand, and not a good listener. Nonsense, changing all. Those I thought could be changed, because of no misunderstanding possible who is meant by "his", I changed without asking permission ;) - Off to Götterdämmerung, a few threads below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank You!!
Aw, shucks, it was nothin'. :) WQUlrich (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry
This was a accidental misclick.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * understand, happens to all of us --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK Empress
Hey Gerda, you are the DYK Empress. There's no rush, but over time would you be willing to do me a favor? May I try to write five or more DYK blurbs, and ask you to look at them? Yes! ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 10:26, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Anytime, just with patience for the reply please, - pilgrimage will end tomorrow with Götterdämmerung, iconic image, DYK? I wish DYK had room for blurbs, - 200 chars are really too little. What would I say about Jessye Norman in one line? Will have to take her to FA, I'm afraid. GAN open, - I didn't write the article, though, many did, 4meter4 most of it. Nice stats anyway. Long live her memory, - I feel so blessed to have heard her in recital! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh I just now saw your Bengal Famine DYK. Not sure it's entirely accurate... it would be more accurate to say that after any mention of the word "famine" or discussion thereof was banned from newspapers, the Statesman printed photos instead. And not only did the wider world not know about the famine until those photos, many in Idia itself did not really know!... And... it is possible to have more than one DYK for the same article? I was asking for your help writing DYKs for Bengal famine of 1943. I wanted to nominate a DYK so I would be eligible for WP:TRIPLE CROWN... ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 12:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Make suggestions, here or in the nomination. I was told that I was a week late already, so couldn't think for too long ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I put a suggestion on the talk page of the dyk template ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 15:00, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I moved it to be ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Ring
Enjoy!! That can be a life-changing, and life-affirming experience, seeing the whole thing. I saw the whole cycle in Los Angeles about ten years ago, in a post-modern staging, brilliantly performed. Stunning. :) Antandrus (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * First three were fantastic, so close to the audience, because the orchestra is in the back. Review, in case of interest. Today, I began the article for Hunding. Tomorrow, I'll move the beginning of the whole thing from my sandbox - if I wake up soon enough. Want to hear the introduction (piano, singing and all, by someone who also does it in Bayreuth) at 11am ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * How was the Götterdämmerung? I have to say, there are few operas that end with someone so cheerfully being burned alive. But yet the last time I saw it, I was so dazed I left the opera house with my date and we walked in the wrong direction. Antandrus (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It was great. All the dead rose again and listened to the extraordinary music, turning away from the audience! A critic named Dara Hobbs the best Brünnhilde there is, and might be right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Marie-Thérèse Gauley
valereee (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Awards
I don't do barnstars, but instead here is a barn not far from where I live. Happy nothing/Nothung (neidlisches Schwert!)

MinorProphet (talk) 03:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * MinorProphet of Nothing, thank you! Ho hei! - In the introduction, Hans Martin Gräbner said that Wagner was concerned about lack of love destoying the world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

80%?
I don't think 80% is true. I tend to just add [citation needed] if that's the case. I do check each entry for other citations in the article. That's why I usually add ref improve. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:56, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Did you see that I commented out the whole section? Some prefer prose anyway. My key point: no time! I am just back from vacation, want to reply to the GA review for Clara Schumann, and struggled with a singer who "improved" his bio, in a little edit war. If someone wants to source the bits, welcome. I have other priorities. Readers can find the stuff on the German WP anyway, and in lists, the language shouldn't matter too much. I did source a film with a cn in the prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you or someone else can help me. The German version has this for a source, an archived link, and I don't know how to format it in English, - provided the website of the co-director is regarded as reliable. It's also commented out in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Next question: de:Berliner Theatertreffen 1964 bis 1969 and several others of the kind, full of detail, but bare of references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Anyway: found that one, will add and revive that section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I did see you'd commented out the sections, but I just wanted to address your claim that 80% were referenced elsewhere inline in the article. That simply wasn't the case, because I reserve the tags for "worst case scenarios" and 80% referenced would just need a couple of [citation needed] tags.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Understand (if only because I really don't have time to argue). Any help with the difference between how de handles archived links and here? Their normal citations are transformed by a bot, but their template for archived refs has nothing handled by a bot, and I don't know enough to transform it manually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, the edit summary was unnecessarily dismissive and inaccurate, but it's there forever, so that's a shame. To your point, this can be formatted as:
 * That should work fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Lovely, thank you! - Sleep last night was hours too short, - I didn't mean to be dismissive, sorry about that you felt that way, also I had completely forgotten that the Theatertreffen were not yet referenced well. - Also need food ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Understood. I'm in a pub in Glasgow (about 500km from home) waiting for food.  I know how it feels.  Let me know if you need any more help with the refs.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:02, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hope you won't have to wait too long! I have to make it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hope you won't have to wait too long! I have to make it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Palitzsch
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Eberlin
Thought you might appreciate this from the Rodolfus Choir. A piece that was featured tonight by the BBC Singers with the English Cornett and Sackbut Ensemble (conductor Robert Howarth) for a concert celebrating the 300th anniversary of the birth of Leopold Mozart. A real highlight for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:01, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Great, thank you! We sang one of his masses, and I'll pass this to the conductor. After we managed Agnus Dei, it should be possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

CSECTIONs
Just FYI, I have no issues with controversies be included in articles. However, I believe a section dedicated exclusively to controversies, in my opinion, can not co-exist with a NPOV – it is inherently non-neutral. It unduly highlights the negative aspects of the subject and is especially offensive to me when on a BLP. For example, the most controversial person in recent history, Donald Trump, does not even have a CSECTION on the article about him. These sections should always be split up and merged into other NPOV-titled sections as has been done at Peter Handke. Great job on that article! I have pinged WIR to see if we can get more help on Olga Tokarczuk.--- Coffee  and crumbs  15:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The integration of parts of the section has been done, and the rest was commented out as undue detail. I understand better now what you meant. Please watch the article, because there is more controversy about this prize. Did you see that a complete note of protest was added to the article (which I reduced to mentioning it exists? Good headline "Peter Handke’s wilful controversies" of a review of one of his bios ;) - I miss Poeticbent. He would be perfect to expand Olga who actually is in much better shape than PH was. Too many great writers driven away ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Olga Tokarczuk and Peter Handke

 * Thank you! The first ITN with a blurb, and interest seems high ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Jen Morgan
Thanks for your help with Jen Morgan Jolds777 (talk) 17:54, 12 October 2019 (UTC)John


 * You helped me, did you know! Now I only have to translate to German, instead of doing research and creating! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you able to add a picture to Jen Morgan’s page? That would be a Great help to me! Thank you. John Jolds777 (talk) 16:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (I moved this in chronology.) - John, do you have a free licensed image? A rare thing among living people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * getting that for you. Where can I send it to you? Also, what is time table for getting this published for google searches. I’m new to this! Thanks for all your help Jolds777 (talk) 05:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If you have a free image, like one you took yourself, you upload it to the commons, - on the left there's "upload file". I can't do that for you because it will ask at some point "is it your own work". When I ask Google, I get the German Wikipedia article third position, but Google treats users differently ;) - Page views are impressive, she get's more every day than my normal DYK! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * done! Thank you! Hope the German page is looking good!!! Jolds777 (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Jolds777, the rights belong to you, not the Wall Street Journal? The wording is a bit ambiguous about that, better clarify. If no problem, you can use the same code in German, just no infobox, so normal image. Tell me if you need help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Riemer (Austrian politician)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

We can't agree on everything I suppose
re your post here on 's page. I can easily imagine that the term "doomed" would be of interest to someone who was raised with a different language than English. We (Americans) tend to toss around our words without thinking much about the strict definition of the words. "unfortunate and inescapable outcome; ill-fated" has such a final connotation, but sometimes we use "doomed" simply to mean that something isn't going to work.

Now the big one: re: .. not a bit of evidence was be produced. What has to be produced? We have the WP:COI guideline. We have the facts that Greenman was editing his employers article. Those two things aren't in question are they? What is it you're expecting to be "produced"? The link to WP:COI? A link to the fact that Greenman was editing MariaDB? (this shows that it is his 5th most common page to edit - but that's right there in the edit count link). Maybe This is more explanatory. I'd imagine that what most people were looking for was some sort of "smoking gun" edit that showed that Greenman was adding POV to the article, but since nobody claimed that - why would anyone expect a link to it? Likely the closest thing to questionable was this removal of a disputed tag - but personally I don't see even that as terrible. (Remember I opposed for different reasons than just COI). So what evidence is there you want produced? Although it isn't IMO a particularly convincing argument, some could say that keeping the "most current version is like saying we have the latest and greatest software available".

I'm sorry we disagree on this, but I have to wonder how many folks actually read WP:COI. It is pretty strict in its interpretation. Maybe instead of condemning those who opposed over it, the time would be better spent in trying to loosen some of the restrictions and suggestions in that guideline. to quote: Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. MariaDB IS his employer. He DID edit about the employer. Like I said - what more evidence is there that's needed? Hope we're still friends, I assume we are. — Ched (talk) 17:04, 14 October 2019 (UTC) (edited: — Ched (talk) 17:12, 14 October 2019 (UTC))


 * (ec) Yes, he edited his employer's article, making factual updates, nothing promotional. If that constitutes a conflict of interest, I understand that term even less than "doomed" - which, raised Christian, is horrible, something deserved for sin. - I have been accused of COI, as an amateur singer who distributes knowledge about pieces evenly to newspapers and Wikipedia, - read our church's talk. Of course we are friends. Your "oppose" was well-founded. I didn't go on a crusade to make people think again in the case, just waited hoping common sense would prevail, which told me that this user didn't need a second RfA, just some training on the job. Could you offer him some training, perhaps? - Magnificat tonight, sung before with my friend whose birthday we celebrate, and article needs to grow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Of course I'd try to help if he(?) asked. I suspect there has been enough unsolicited advice already posted to his talk though.  I'll check out your Magnificat (Vivaldi) article later today.  Oh - and saying "an amateur singer who distributes knowledge about pieces" is a COI is simply ridiculous.  All my best. — Ched (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Wait with the Vivaldi, I haven't written a single word yet ;) - but at least copied the table of movements. - Check out his talk and user, yes, he, unless Ian is now a girl's name. (Isn't that the first thing to do before commenting in an RfA? I at least check out interactions with others on the talk, before even reading a nomination.) Precious, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm so unsure of myself when it comes to using personal pronouns these days. I look to see if they've chosen a preference, and if nothing is check-marked, I just don't know anymore.  Perhaps it's an indication that I've outlived my time, IDK.  And yes, I do check their talk first, contribs second.  I did see you had given him a "Precious".  Indeed there were a LOT of folks that I highly respect in the Support section.  Still, at the end of the day, I have to think for myself, and make the choice I feel is best.  — Ched (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * We are looking at faces such as Lefcentreright (nominator) and Thuvack (supporter), which I think are our future. Teh rulez, teh rulez. Seven years ago, this loving community was in full swing to ban our friend, who had been marvellously productive just in the few months as Br'er Rabbit, for teh rule of socking (which he broke intentionally then). Before, our friend Rlevse was driven away over teh rule of copyright violation. Afterwards, the RfA of our friend Montanabw was "doomed" because she defended me with too much temper outburst, for teh rule of civility. Now Eric Corbett, civility and socking (the latter perhaps also intentionally, who knows), while it remains valid to speak of living people as "toxic personalities", - how civil is that? Nothing wrong with all these rules, but IAR is an option ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Clara Schumann
The article Clara Schumann you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Clara Schumann for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Reaper Eternal -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Reaper Eternal, also copy-editors Jmar67 and Chuckstreet and all former editors, - I did only little. PR will be the next step. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Enea Scala
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Hevrin Khalaf
so sad, but had to be done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Mohr (tenor)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Happy birthday, Herr Mohr. What I remember best in the performances wasn't the great Wälse calls, nor the lyric Winterstürme, nor the tender drink to Brünnhilde followed by an irritated face when drinking the potion and falling in love with Gutrune, but the irony of Loge who - when the Gods left for Walhall which he made possible - says - a bit like the jester in a Shakespeare play - shaking head: "What do I even have to do with these?" - My feelings, seven years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Clara Schumann

 * Nice one, Gerda. A little bit of "Allegro maestoso" for you, with Isata Kanneh-Mason!! (.. who seems to have that more notable brother, haha). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Amusingly, the radio was playing some works by Clara Schumann as I drove home from work yesterday. Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Highly recommend. I was hoping to slip this into External links when no-one was looking and get a small percentage, of the extra sales, from Isata.... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both. Block Ritchie more often, then I can catch up with him ;) - Actually, I never even counted. My first GA nom, Great Dismal Swamp Maroons, nom was written by a user who was blocked then. It was about the time when WP:Great Dismal Swamp was created. I wonder which redirect would be appropriate for arbitrary enforcement, the saddest lowlands Wikipedia has to offer. Even I was broken there, lost my pride and asked for mercy appealed. Well, at least successfully so. Reaper eternal, it was a pleasure working with you on the GA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ... and don't miss the mood in the thread above, t'is the season --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * An intriguing idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * more than seven years old and still fresh, - gives me an idea! (look for "Reformation", toppish on my user page --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Piano Concerto (Clara Schumann)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Request
Please don't ping me just to snipe at me like you did here. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * PMC, my question out of helplessness was sincere, no sniping intended, and sorry that you felt that way: how can I respond to you?? I don't speak the same language it seems. Before I respond, I have to update the article of Anke Fuchs who died, get Clara Schumann ready for peer review, work on two articles that were started on 11 October by a friend so have to go to DYK today, and the sad duty to nominate Hevrin Khalaf, and haven't seen my watchlist yet. Until I find time for a response - and I may not come up with anything good enough, so better remain silent - take a good look at my edit notice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * PMC, you're an elected member of Arbcom, don't suddenly arrive at places like this where good people are doing good things for Wikipedia and give them a hard time because your decision-making is questionable. How objectionable.  Sorry Gerda, that you have been made to feel that you made some kind of mistake here.  The message you received from this departing Arb is bullying and harassing in its tone.  Shameful.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, PMC, you think that is "sniping"? Gerda, one of our most industrious and diligent editors, deserves better than some kind of abrupt petulant scolding. A lot of folks feel exactly the same way as she does about Ritchie's ban. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with her disagreement, but I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to be pinged to a comment complaining about me on the talk page of another editor entirely. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll get the violins. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and it's really good news that PMC will soon be off the committee. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (ec, and no time for moar): Don't worry, TRM, don't interpret too much. I gave PCM a ping because I mentioned the name (had to to make the connection), and should perhaps also given one on the page of Opabinia regalis where I had discussed the same thing before (without a name though). I don't think I made a mistake, but feel sorry when someone misunderstands. The word "snipe" has not appeared on my talk in 10 years, but always learning ;) - PMC, after 5 DYK nominations and requesting a peer review and choir rehearsal, and precious still missing, here's my answer: everything I could possibly say, said better, 7 years ago OTD, - the edit that made me stay, because I was on my way out when the best editor I knew was banned by the "community" I was/am part of. It's quoted in my edit notice which you passed coming here, together with the creed of the banned, and it's on this page to stay for the year, the year of thanks. I am happy that I could thank him while he was still alive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC))
 * I would love a laugh. But PMC's block  and the obnoxious pointed bullying harrassing behaviour of those who accused Ritchie of lying without anything more than circumstantial and out-of-policy  requirements is a pure  indictment of the final death of this Arbcom.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When I linked to ArbCom (in other words: thank him while he is still alive), TRM, I hadn't seen that you commented there in 2017, - made me smile. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * SeriousLy, TRM, YOU fo go for ArbCom. Sadly the "if Boris ran" is no danger. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely happy to do that. Last time I was destroyed and came second-last.  My manifesto remains the same: expose the machinations of the Arbcom to the regulars.  Fix the HUGE gulf between Arbcom (whatever that means now) and the editors who currently think of Arbcom as a complete joke.  I'm happy to run again as a "none of the above" candidate.  Or even as a "I've had 14 years of this shit" candidate.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, Ritchie also commented, and Drmies, and Bishonen, and Floq, and --- too tire for more, - that was a good party! Close to getting sentimental. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Boris? Or, as we call him in UK, "Boris-not-quite-good-enough". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * His real name was Raymund, with the 10 rules, and a 1/200 of a Nobel Prize (but math wrong). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When you criticise (sniping? really?) without informing the criticised editor, you might get berated for talking badly behind their back. When you ping them (on a page they hadn't edited recently, so likely not one they're following or have watch listed) you're asked not to ping them. Can't win for losing, Gerda. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Good news, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Haseleu
valereee (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Clara Schumann
The article Clara Schumann you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Clara Schumann for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Reaper Eternal -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Reaper Eternal, also copy-editors Jmar67 and Chuckstreet and all former editors, - I did only little. PR will be the next step. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Request
Please don't ping me just to snipe at me like you did here. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * PMC, my question out of helplessness was sincere, no sniping intended, and sorry that you felt that way: how can I respond to you?? I don't speak the same language it seems. Before I respond, I have to update the article of Anke Fuchs who died, get Clara Schumann ready for peer review, work on two articles that were started on 11 October by a friend so have to go to DYK today, and the sad duty to nominate Hevrin Khalaf, and haven't seen my watchlist yet. Until I find time for a response - and I may not come up with anything good enough, so better remain silent - take a good look at my edit notice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * PMC, you're an elected member of Arbcom, don't suddenly arrive at places like this where good people are doing good things for Wikipedia and give them a hard time because your decision-making is questionable. How objectionable.  Sorry Gerda, that you have been made to feel that you made some kind of mistake here.  The message you received from this departing Arb is bullying and harassing in its tone.  Shameful.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, PMC, you think that is "sniping"? Gerda, one of our most industrious and diligent editors, deserves better than some kind of abrupt petulant scolding. A lot of folks feel exactly the same way as she does about Ritchie's ban. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with her disagreement, but I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to be pinged to a comment complaining about me on the talk page of another editor entirely. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll get the violins. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and it's really good news that PMC will soon be off the committee. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (ec, and no time for moar): Don't worry, TRM, don't interpret too much. I gave PCM a ping because I mentioned the name (had to to make the connection), and should perhaps also given one on the page of Opabinia regalis where I had discussed the same thing before (without a name though). I don't think I made a mistake, but feel sorry when someone misunderstands. The word "snipe" has not appeared on my talk in 10 years, but always learning ;) - PMC, after 5 DYK nominations and requesting a peer review and choir rehearsal, and precious still missing, here's my answer: everything I could possibly say, said better, 7 years ago OTD, - the edit that made me stay, because I was on my way out when the best editor I knew was banned by the "community" I was/am part of. It's quoted in my edit notice which you passed coming here, together with the creed of the banned, and it's on this page to stay for the year, the year of thanks. I am happy that I could thank him while he was still alive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC))
 * I would love a laugh. But PMC's block  and the obnoxious pointed bullying harrassing behaviour of those who accused Ritchie of lying without anything more than circumstantial and out-of-policy  requirements is a pure  indictment of the final death of this Arbcom.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When I linked to ArbCom (in other words: thank him while he is still alive), TRM, I hadn't seen that you commented there in 2017, - made me smile. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * SeriousLy, TRM, YOU fo go for ArbCom. Sadly the "if Boris ran" is no danger. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely happy to do that. Last time I was destroyed and came second-last.  My manifesto remains the same: expose the machinations of the Arbcom to the regulars.  Fix the HUGE gulf between Arbcom (whatever that means now) and the editors who currently think of Arbcom as a complete joke.  I'm happy to run again as a "none of the above" candidate.  Or even as a "I've had 14 years of this shit" candidate.  The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, Ritchie also commented, and Drmies, and Bishonen, and Floq, and --- too tired for more, - that was a good party! Close to getting sentimental. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Boris? Or, as we call him in UK, "Boris-not-quite-good-enough". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * His real name was Raymund, with the 10 rules, and a 1/200 of a Nobel Prize (but math wrong). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When you criticise (sniping? really?) without informing the criticised editor, you might get berated for talking badly behind their back. When you ping them (on a page they hadn't edited recently, so likely not one they're following or have watch listed) you're asked not to ping them. Can't win for losing, Gerda. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

New day
... and I am the person who said on an arbcom decision talk "We can start today ..." which we didn't, instead I was restricted, and too proud to appeal a kafkaesque decision, so was taken to arbitration enforcement (AE), which broke my pride so I appealled 2 years later, and was set free on parole, and 6 months later free. That's where I come from, PCM. We can start today to talk among colleagues, and I confess that the header a little above, "We can't agree on everything I suppose", was more to my liking than you assuming that I had sniped at you or complained about you. I didn't talk about you, in any way about you as a person, only about the situation and what leds to it.

Background: Ritchie was blocked by PCM as an AE block, for violating an interaction ban (iban). That was commented on PCM's page. I appeared as a talk page watcher. (All arbs and former arbs are on my watchlist, - I am too lazy to clean up.) I received a response from another user, and asked a question which remained unanswered. Next morning, I received a ping by PCM who had then answered, but not the question. I didn't know a fast reply (article work has priority, and there was a lot yesterday), and wrote a sincere request for help - English is not my first language - on another user's talk who shares my view of the situation. The ping in that edit (meant to inform that I talked about PCM, + make aware of my pov) caused the above.

For more background: the sentence "A ban is a ban." (as in PCM's reply) is nothing I'd agree to. Bans are what we (the so-called "community") make, and if they are in the way of improving Wikipedia, we better change them. Seven years ago (16 October), the "community" banned my friend whom I miss day by day. From 14 October to 31 October, I can't help reacting extra emotionally to "A ban is a ban." Do you understand?

Today: I see Ritchie as someone who rescued an article which included copyright violation. He deserves thanks, not to be blocked for a week, even if he had broken some interaction ban (the last edit before had been by the person he has the iban with), which - as explained - he didn't (it wasn't a revert). We shouldn't request that people stay away from articles that someone they are banned to interact with has ever edited, which includes the last edit). The articles and their improvement should come first. - If his iban leads to such a kafkaesque result, it's wrong and needs rewording or lifting. He should be unblocked.

I wrote this far when I finally noticed that Ritchie was unblocked!!! Forgive me (all) for leaving it here anyway once I took the time to write it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Haseleu
valereee (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Mambucaba
I've had an apartment in Bracuhy, a neighborhood and also a large condominium, situated 20 kms from Mambucaba, a historic village to where I used to go with my family in the 70's. As I'm taking the plane to Rio in about 6 weeks, I, of course, will be visiting the place once more. I don't like it there anymore, due to the increase of the population of the village. I prefer the next beach called Praia Residencial de Mambucaba, destined to the engineers who work at the nuclear power plant, 10 kms before this village. It is a historical site. Interesting story I found today about Indians, the French, Portuguese, and a German called Hans Staden.

I guess you could make it into another DYK, who knows :) ? Krenakarore  TK 18:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, but you will need to have a ref at the end of each paragraph. Thanks for sharing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Erhard Eppler
He deserves the recognition, a visionary thinker in politics. 21 October 2019 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Márta Kurtág
Blimey Gerda that (Márta Kurtág) was quick! Well done. Nice start. Hope you don't mind that I changed her tense in the obvious and sad way. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Was my first thing in the morning, after the round of thanks. Add whatever you find, I need a short break. The French source is best (no date though, that came from here, and don't know if reliable) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I do internally think of Lebrecht as quite reliable, though I have no idea whether he would pass a formal test. Maybe yes, in fact, but I will not set out to check. :) DBaK (talk) 09:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

In other news ...
In other news:
 * That cantata! It pops up (pseudo-)randomly all the time now for me – I think iTunes has learnt that I like it, or something ... wonderful.
 * I ought to try to become more of a cantata expert ... I feel very guilty about only knowing the noisy brassy ones, at best. And even those not that well compared with the monster-works!

Shutting up now! Sorry about the waffle, just wanted to touch base. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Did a lovely gig with Celia W last weekend, she pro leader, me bumbling but well-meaning amateur. She was fabulous.
 * My family are all getting German passports following a governmental volte-face on who counts and what their Dad Grandpa did or didn't do in 33! (Like emigrate.) I will be able to get one too if I go and live there for 5 years! Hmmm maybe not. I am furious, as I think I am much more German than my "German" family but I will be in the long queue at passport control. Grrrr.
 * Have you see the wonderful CD or iTunes collection of LOADS of István Kertész recordings with the LSO? I stumbled over it by accident. It is an amazing treasure trove.


 * All lovely! Did you see the YT? "pops up" - a user whom I reminded of precious today wrote sonatina. Graham W is also German now. Should we write an article on Celia? Enough material? - I connected the threads, because every time I reach 50 I feel obliged to archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Which YT? I am on holiday and not paying attention properly so I have probably missed something important. Graham – no surprise there! Celia – probably not, I think she's not-famous in the best possible way (and might prefer to stay thus). Sure re the threads – I should have done that. I think one of our orchs is doing the C Schumann Piano Concerto soon ... cheers DBaK (talk) 09:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * YT at the bottom of the article. DYK that I haven't because I'm afraid it will move me to tears again? But I will now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ... and it did ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha, wonderful, thanks! What bliss DBaK (talk) 10:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Márta Kurtág (2)
I am sorry for your loss. Did you know her? Please nominate her for DYK and I will review it. Nomination at ITN was too late. Maybe we can get her a photo spot at DYK if you get permission for a good photo. QPQ with my DYK nomination for George Kent? --- Coffee  and crumbs  22:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I combined this thread with the above where you can find background. See the YT video mentioned. Will nominate for DYK tomorrow. I think something is wrong with ITN going by date of death, instead when the death becomes known. The RS is from 21 Oct. It just takes a day to compose a new article. I translated to de, and Hungarian, Dutch and Simple English were also written today. I found a solid source for the DOD just a few minutes ago. Tired, but we achieved a lot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If the news was announced very late, you should put nomination for the date the news became published in RS. We make exceptions for late announcements of death. BUT... this was not a case. There were RS from the same date. --- Coffee  and crumbs  23:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, can you add them to the article please? Need sleep. Lovely pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * nominated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

~ sorry ~
Sorry for your loss also ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 20:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you, - not family, but still sad --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Minor typo
I don't want to interrupt your improvements to Raymond Leppard, but please can you correct "uch as " to "such as "? Philip Trueman (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being so considerate. I take a break there. The sources have much more, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Ray Leppard
Thanks for all your hard work on RL. Another great gone! Sheesh. Inevitable I know – none of us are actually ageing backwards – but still very sad to hear. Thanks again DBaK (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Not done with him, comes Hans Zender. Talked to him once briefly. SWR Chor sang a giant piece, forgot which. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Rolando Panerai
Sad record: 3 people one day and should be 4, - missing Márta Kurtág. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Dirk Müller (stock trader)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Philipp Kochheim
The German original page states "Er schrieb auch das Libretto zur Willy Brandt-Oper Kniefall von Warschau (Musik: Gerhard Rosenfeld), die 1997 unter der Regie von Dew in Dortmund uraufgeführt wurde". I have strong doubts than Willy Brandt was ever involved in any opera. All the more since the reference given leads to a play by B. Brecht. Do you have any take on this ? I've already deleted Willy Brandt's name.LouisAlain (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Kniefall con Warschau was a famous gesture by Willy Brandt. The opera around it was composed by Gerhard Rosenfeld, see review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Did you know ...
That during a little-known visit to Newcastle upon Tyne in 1725, Bach composed his Geordie Cantata, Wo soll ich fliehen, hinny? DBaK (talk) 23:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Kupelwieser
Gatoclass (talk) 03:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

A thank you kitten for you!
Dear Gerda Arendt, I just got the notice of the 2 year anniversary for the Precious award. It made an otherwise gloomy day; brighter. Thank you so much. Please continue. You do not know how much that brings joy to others' hearts.

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Just seen your message :)
Hi Gerda - just seen your message today, thank you very much for the well-wishes. I'm doing a lot better now - I was indeed a patient patient lol, which always helps. ;) Hope all is well with you too? Best, Patient Zerotalk 13:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Whatever happened
Hi Gerda. Whatever happened to the DYK for BF43? Tks ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 04:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said: it needs a reviewer with courage, and has not found one yet. But also: it's not even in the list of "old" nominations yet, not even month old, and we have more than two. Adding it to "our" list, and you could go and find someone, or watch and wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that a fairly typical wait time? ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 07:51, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the longer the article is, the longer the wait time. The typical DYK article has 1.5k chars, compare what is demanded by someone reviewing a biggy. If you don't want to wait until it floats to the top of the oldies, find someone who is not the GA reviewer and not the nominator. Someone from the FAC perhaps. - Sorry, I had no time for that yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Serge Rezvani
Thanks for your later addition to this page. For what it's worth, save for the artistic circles, Rezvani is totaly unknown in France except for the two songs sung by Jeanne Moreau (whose mother was English) which now belong to the repertoire of the French chansons. They are known by heart by dozens of million here. Now what do the new generations know? LouisAlain (talk) 18:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hard to tell, - at least you give them a lot they could know! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, my pleasure, though! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

When is an Adolph an Adolf
Dear Gerda, this gentleman, Adolf Borsdorf, is Adolf in his page title and Adolph in his body text. The International Horn Society thinks he's Adolph. Google votes quite heavily in favour of Adolf even if I try to take out "wikipedia" and granted that I am rubbish at constructing credible searches. The LSO, who paid his wages for a while, thinks he's PH. And so on. What's going on here, please? Are they interchangeable, or is it dictated by era, the language addressing, personal whim ... or what? I know there are plenty of Anglo-German spelling weirdnesses around but I just don't know how this one operates. Do you have a view please, if you have a moment? Is there a rule?? I'm not planning on radical action but I'd love to feel a little better-informed ... absolutely no rush; I know you have plenty on! Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:23, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Short reply: I don't know (yet) in the particular case, but some genral things: names were not codified in early time, some would never want to be called Adolf because of Hitler, some prefer ph over f for looking more sophisticated, If someone has several names, they should all be present, and bolded. In an infobox, you can clearly differentiate common name (on top), birth name and other names. I heard the tenor below as Des Grieux, look and listen? DYK wanted ghosts ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Joshua Guerrero
valereee (talk) 00:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hello Gerda Arendt: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 14:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you! At the airport to fly away. 31 October is a tricky day for me, look around, - reformation day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. This is about the Chuckstreet thing. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 23:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not interested in WP:Great Dismal Swamp. There must be better ways to deal with colleagues in a voluntary project. Nocturnes (Debussy). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * btw, AnUnnamedUser, you picked the perfect day: the swamp was mentioned in reformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Like Raymond Arritt says, you just have to laugh! :-D The ANI is for urgent matters, emergencies, not whining "hey you reverted me!" and "you're being mean to me!", not to mention "you're attacking me, I'm reporting you!" and especially "I'm right and you're wrong, so I'm having you blocked, so there!" :-) I thought of replying to his completely-mischaracterized, factually incorrect, and singled-out whining about his petty "dispute" on the ANI noticeboard, but I got a good laugh out of it instead, so I think I'll just ignore him. He keeps up the disruptive editing (including on my own and others' talk pages), I'll just keep deleting him. He's just one of those (many) editors that can't engage in intelligent (or light-hearted) conversation, so they "act out" instead. Some of them throw around flames, others just try to derail or divert the conversation. They tend to make a big mess wherever they go. What are we to do? Laugh and ignore or go read a good book or make some music. Just keep on making Wikipedia better, despite these weirdos. :) Chuckstreet (talk) 00:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ignore is often best, but I am not sure here. We spoke about uniformity of appeaance, example concert dress, disregarding the personal taste of the individual group member. Where are er regarding the wish for uniformity towards the audience (readers)? When black attire is prescribed by the conductor (MoS), what about an individual singer who adds a red ribbon to her hair (... bolds level 2 headers, enters extra white space ...)? Worm That Turned might be interested in this topic. We have been told that the principal editors should have some more sayin such matters, - how far does that go? Btw, you mentioned that all white would be more appropriate for certain pieces, and that's another question discussed controversely in choirs, often taking much time. I remember the great Karl Maria Zwißler, appraoching a concert of the Brahms Requiem which he knew would be his last, saying "I'd love to see you all in white, but ... all black, please". There was no discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Manuel Gervink has been accepted
<div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding:1em; padding-top:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.5em; width:20em; color:black; margin-bottom: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> Manuel Gervink, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! K.e.coffman (talk) 02:55, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Manuel_Gervink help desk] .
 * If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.
 * Thank you, LouisAlain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Oops!
Aw crap, my first edit in a week is an accidental rollback! 🤦‍♀️ Sorry! I'd blame the cat but nope, it was all me. Guess that's a hint that I should actually try to get something done around here.... :) Opabinia regalis (talk) 02:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Why is it that some blame themselves for aaccidents, and some don't blame themselves for intentional irritations? I'm on vacation, in forgiving mood, after a great concert of Stabat Mater and a matching image I met yesterday, - feeling blessed. Two of my friends have there birthday today, - improving Psalm 121 on the occasion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Jauchzet
Our church choir is singing a choral arrangement of the aria "Bereite dich, Zion". I just discovered this the other day. Jmar67 (talk) 08:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for copy-editing, there and all-around. Our children's choir sings the aria in unison. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Vespro della Beata Vergine
Since Vespro is now a GA, I'm shortly going archive the sandbox on which I summarised the sources. I assume that you've already transferred the details into your own space, should you need them again. Brianboulton (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

PS: I saw from the Vespro talk that it's classified as of "low importance". Indeed not. I'm unilaterally promoting it to high. Incidentally, the link to Grove Music Online is returning "page not found", even though I'm a subscriber. Brianboulton (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Brian, for sharing your sources, and go ahead archiving. It was a memorable concert experience, and I agree: importance is high! I have a FAC for Christmas, but the Vespers will eventually follow. Our concert date was 1 September, date of the dedication, sheer coincidence, - sometimes things work. We had excellent soloist and orchestra, a pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Márta Kurtág
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

The article was created when she died, and fond memories of her playing and togetherness with her husband surfaced. She had no article yet, not in English, nor Hungarian (but Dutch, found only later). The English article was created with the help of LouisAlain, Jmar67 and others. Articles were also created in Hungarian, German, and Simple English. Thank to all who helped. also with the ITN nom (failed) and the DYK nom! As DBaK said above: "What bliss".

See also:
 * 
 * Wikipedia talk:In the news
 * Wikipedia talk:Did you know

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the Precious recognition
4 years later, I am still engaged in the activities for which I received recognition in this award. I appreciate everything you do to make Wikipedia a welcome and encouraging environment.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  12:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Blue Rasberry, thank you, that's all I want to do here. Today - see above - I am proud of Márta Kurtag who has a lot in common with Clara Schumann, not only being a bit overlooked, although the first critics and players of their more famous husbands' works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your thanks, as it were. I actually thought of pinging you about the AfD on Vilmos Tátrai as I imagined you’d be interested and might have sources, but I know canvassing is bad form. Mccapra (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Mccapra, saying a discussion exists is no canvassing, only if you suggest more or less openly which outcome you prefer. Nice to meet you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Oestrich
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Opera project November
Hi, I have completed Claudio Bonoldi, Violante Camporesi and Carolina Bassi. Feel free to check and edit if necessary. Thanks Jay (talk) 05:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jay, seen in the prominent display on project opera. Will look, but am on vacation, opera tonight, so it may take some time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

No reason to promise something in the TOC which has no content
Dear Gerda,

I was a little bit surprised by your revert of the section "Discography" of Vergißmeinnicht, WAB 93.

I understand that there is no reason to promise something in the TOC which has no content, but we have then to be consistent and do the same for e.g. Arneth Cantata, WAB 61 and (presumably) other pages.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


 * You know about these others, I don't. Also, I just returned home, and many things waiting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have removed the others. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:52, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jennifer Morgan
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Q2
Hi Gerda, I am afraid I don't understand your second question fully and want to give the best answer I can. You say there were some facts open which you found unclear - to which facts are you referring? I see a diff pointing towards Fram's interactions with LouisAlain, but that's quite a lengthy tale. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish +<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate 11:29, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If only I knew. My friend's name was thrown into that super-secret game (on meta). I am sure he didn't complain. I suspect someone looked at the interactions (deletion of articles, a bit rough language) and complained. If THAT was the quality of looking at "open" evidence, I have my doubt about the looks at secret evidence. As the great SBHB (pictured smiling, above) said: "Arbitrators usually work from broad impressions and do not consider details, nuance, or context." I like to vote for the unusual arbs who consider details ;) - My background: a friend was almost banned because an arb misunderstod a MoS fix, and other sad stories. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda, but I still don't get it (and it seems I'm not the only one). Could you rephrase your question?  Do you want me to comment on the LouisAlain/Fram situation?  Or something else? <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish +<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate  12:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I had ringside seats for the Fram case (I was literally the first person to raise a concern and was the nominator of his aborted resysop request), and I don't understand your question either, even with the benefit of having seen you make the comment concerned and SilkTork's response at the time and in context. Are you asking whether, since the committee had ruled that T&S's desysops and blockings were out-of-process, the committee were themselves acting out-of-process by not restoring the permissions of everyone involved to the status quo ante of June 9? &#8209; Iridescent 12:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I probably don't have enough English vocabulary to even understand arbitration, and don't want to tell the candidates what to say ;) - I think it's clear that I would have liked the state before the ban restored (didn't even think of the others involved, - good idea!), and let the community complain again in the future, in case any problems come up. - I really have no idea who may have complained about Fram's interaction with LA, because I haven't seen anything serious (which makes me think that some may have looked superficially, which wouldn't be new from what I saw in arbitration, - but of course I could be the one who overlooked something). - Perhaps I should have stayed with my first idea of a question: do you know a single arbcom restriction that was beneficial for Wikipedia (because I don't). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It would quicker to list the bad ones, because most restrictions have been beneficial, or were made with the intent of being so. For example, the discretionary sanctions imposed via Arbitration decisions on GamerGate or AIPIA have been a boon in empowering administrators to better and quicker manage some particularly contentious issues involving some particularly contentious editors.  I remain confused as to what you're expecting as an answer to the second question you've put here though - are you asking the same question as the first? I don't want you to tell me what to say, just tell me what you're asking :) <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish +<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate  15:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a different diff (after I corrected that). I am asking what you would have responded to my thoughts about me not seeing Fram doing things not fit for an admin towards LouisAlain. That's a situation I know, there was nothing obscure/hidden/secret, but someone must have complained, or the name would not have come up. - I have no doubt about good intentions, but I've spent time on AE that was frustrating, and have seen others spend time there (see User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2014, for example). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, got it. Thank you for explaining!  <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish +<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate  16:18, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
Thank you, Robert. The assumption of good faith generously applied could be healing for this place, - I am sure. Just look above. I'm afraid we may loose Chuckstreet which would be a severe loss. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Tijl Faveyts
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Errinerungen
Vielleicht hast du schon genug vom Mauerfall usw., aber diesen Film scheint mir gut getan zu sein. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sca, oh, memories ... - I was in California then, watching tv with a friend with whom I had stood at the Brandenburger Tor, thinking that would never change! Little language things in the above: what you meant is probably "dieser Film scheint mir gut gemacht" (was well done)? Or did you mean "dieser Film hat mir gut getan" (was good for me)? Or both? Such as by George, which was well made, and good for me. I came with bad feelings, thinking of Mitläufer, and left much better, thinking of community. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I meant gemacht. I was thinking "was well done." My German will never be perfect. Aber nie aufgeben! I once stood on the barrier at the Brandenburg Gate staring at the Vopos bzw. Genzsoldaten drüben and smoking a cigar. It was 1971. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Christof Nel
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK page view stats
Hi, I noticed you recorded the one-day page views] for Fall of the Berlin Wall. Please remember to use this formula VX &minus; (VX&minus;1 + VX+1) / 2 for a hook like this that gets lots of page views outside of DYK. We can update the page views based on this formula after today's page views come in. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

About Maria Krönung (Lautenbach); Maria Krönung
Hi precious Gerda, Could you possibly help me out with this new article? It's currently half in English, half in German. There may also be a Mariä Krönung main topic: see Stuppach Madonna. Your thoughts about this? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, promising, but I have some urgent things first (DYK nom I missed yesterday, expand another, PR replies, ... also update ACE 2019) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Pete, I did what I could, should be ready for DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Britten's Purcell Realizations
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process
Hello!

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to improve the community consultation outreach process for Foundation policies, and we are interested in why you didn't participate in a recent consultation that followed a community discussion you’ve been part of.

Please fill out this short survey to help us improve our community consultation process for the future. It should only take about three minutes.

The privacy policy for this survey is here. This survey is a one-off request from us related to this unique topic.

Thank you for your participation, Kbrown (WMF) 10:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Kbrown (WMF), I reached out to several people from the WMF in the unspeakable Fram case, - no satisfying answer. I have no time for reaching out further, and don't remember if I participated, - I think I did in the test period. I have articles to write and no time for this. Please fill any forms with this infomation if it helps, with a stress on: members, if asked a question, answer! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

remember remember
When you said "remember remember", did you know that's the bridge into a hit single? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * no - I thought of the days of September ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I said remember, remember, - did you read the poems, Ritchie? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I did. I also had a bit more of a look into what Phaedriel did, and why they left - as an admin, I can see some deleted / redacted stuff which makes it a little clearer what went on, and why it's such a shame. I'm not sure how they would have fared with WP:ARBAP2 and the rise of Trump, but perhaps they would have been fine and calmed down people wanting to tear each other's heads off. We'll never know. :-( <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, and even if we knew ... - Br'er seemed to know some moar but this loving community had to ban him, for more shame - I'll keep "have a laugh" (as the great SBHB told him then) in my edit notice, note to self also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Gerda, can I be honest about a few things? I notice you didn't support my latest RfA candidate, nor (unless I'm mistaken) has she been classified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and I can't help feeling it's because once upon a time she managed to get an editor kicked off that we both respect (as several people mentioned). All I can say is that I have seen some deleted / redacted stuff that she's had to deal with, and having looked at that, any skirmishes from over four years ago really aren't important compared to some of the crap that she, and by the looks of it, Phaedriel had to put up with. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Ritchie, what a question: can I be honest? - I'm just as honest. Short version: I'm neutral, and never waste time for neutral. (Voters for arb candidates: don't vote neutral.) Longer version: When I saw the RfA, I had no time to look into it, because - on top of being busy writing articles all the time - had the extra load monitoring arbitration candidacies. So I looked at the name of the candidate, a beautiful name, and vaguely remebered that I had seen it before. I looked up Precious, and saw nothing. I went back to the other work on my mind. When I looked a few days later, my memory was refreshed, as you described. No reason to oppose, but not to support either, especially as the RfA seems to travel towards succeessful without my vote. - I am in celebratory mood today, look around, anniversary of a family event in a church that modestly looks like a tent, flowers and choir singing remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Alike but different
While at RexxS's TP trying to figure out what I did to mess-up my browser view, I saw your Márta Kurtág comment and had to watch her play on YouTube. Wonderful, indeed. But I also figured out an easy way to show that we're alike in some regards - the core of kindness you might say - but different. I see your good taste in music to be more along the line of (Márta Kurtág) vs mine. Yes? 🎼 😊 🎶 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  Talk 📧 23:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I love the music of laughter, yes ;) - Look at the smile above. What an arb he would have been. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Renatus Mészár
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Philipp Schlößmann
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)== Jürgen Möller == Liebe Gerda,

Ich bin auf dich aufmerksam geworden, weil du am Artikel Jürgen Möller editiert hast. Herzlichen Dank. Paul war so freundlich und hat mir den deutschen Artikel auf die englische Seite gebracht. Wir beide verstehen uns nur mit dem Google Übersetzer. Ich habe heute noch Ergänzungen vorgenommen und möchte dich fragen, ob du die englische Seite bitte noch mal liest und korrigierst, zum Beispiel auch nach Fehlern.? Ich würde mich sehr freuen und danke dir ganz herzlich im Voraus. --Caisare (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Auch würde ich mich freuen, wenn du mir helfen könntest bei der Übersetzung ins englische von Klaus Eberhard (Kernphysiker), Galerie Hotel Leipziger Hof und Alina Cyranek--Caisare (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Caisare, I like to help, but you will need patience, for Klaus Eberhard (physicist), Galerie Hotel Leipziger Hof and Alina Cyranek, I have things to fo for the rest of the year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Gerda Arendt, vielen Dank für deine Änderungen; es hat keine Eile, vielleicht richte ich erst mal eine Baustellen-Seite ein, gibt es das auch auf der englischen Seite? Beste Grüße --Caisare (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, use Draft:artikelname --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Uwe Wolf (musicologist)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Bach Choral Preludes
Hi Gerda, I was just wondering if pages will ever be created for the hundreds of Bach choral preludes. I understand that they are only for (mostly) SATB choir and that they could be considered unimportant, but I think for people who would want to know information about the choral preludes, that they would be very useful for them to have their own page. Of course, I'm going to you because you're the only other person I know currently interested in Bach pages :)

-- 02:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Cans, good question, but I don't understand it yet. Chorale preludes are for organ, perhaps you mean chorale settings, as here List of chorale harmonisations by Johann Sebastian Bach, by Francis Schonken? Other editors interested in Bach are on Bach's talk page. Missing Mathsci who wrote about several preludes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * List of chorale harmonisations by Johann Sebastian Bach is not "by Francis Schonken". --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Cans, this is Francis, too modest, only 88%. - I was sloppy, just wanted to introduce you to a user interested in Bach. Just waking up ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant the reharmonization of the choral settings from their original hymn tunes. Also I should rephrase my question to being whether or not chorale reharmonizations by Bach that were not part of a larger setting (cantantas, oratorios, passion masses, etc), but were made stand alone, from BWV 253-438, which all have an individual BWV number, but no corresponding page. Also, sorry if I making a bunch of errors! I really used to be an editor at Wikia, which is so much smaller compared to Wikipedia. :) -- 12:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * We all make errors, no problems about that ;) - "harmonizations", - no "re" needed, or why? You could take a look at Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, BWV 225 - a rather simple motet article - and take ideas from there. There's also BWV 226, of course, for the next steps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * FYI, all chorale harmonisations in the BWV 253–438 range have separate Wikipedia links, at least by BWV number, e.g. BWV 253, BWV 254, ... up to BWV 438. Most of these are redirects to the List of chorale harmonisations by Johann Sebastian Bach page. A few go to other pages: such other page can be an article on a Lutheran chorale where the information on Bach's harmonisation of the chorale tune is more extended than the information found in the list. Another example is BWV 299 which goes to a section in the Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach, etc. I doubt, however, whether 186 separate articles for each and every composition in that range would be feasible: I'd group, at least, settings of the same chorale tune. E.g. BWV 277, 278 and 279 are all four-part settings of the same hymn tune and could, for instance, all redirect to a page called Christ lag in Todesbanden, BWV 277–279 if a separate page on these 3 settings would pass WP:GNG (about which I'm not too sure). --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the reharmonizations, I meant harmonization. Also, the most feasible idea does seem to be to group them together in those separate categories based on what Lutheran hymn they are based off of, if many of them can be grouped in that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cans48 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, yes they all have links, but they are just redirects to a long, massive list on Wikipedia, with it just listing it in order, without any information about they whatsoever. -- 23:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I suggest we get BWV 231 in shape, and then look which other settings deserve special treatment. One approach might to be to add o the article of the hymn and add there, and make the redirect to there. - Please think about your signature, - light red is hard to read even for those not colour-blind. I go for accessibility ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hevrin Khalaf
valereee (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC) <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 50em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 ); border-radius: 1em; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">

Kurdish civil engineer and politician

Hevrin Khalaf,

who worked for tolerance

among Christians, Arabs, and Kurds,

was killed

in the 2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?

(19 November 2019)

DYK for Francesco Filidei
valereee (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 election voter message

 * Unfortunately only 106 edits...--NezLe (talk) 07:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, the world won't change by the outcome. User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2019 - I want arbs who apply in dubio pro reo, because I have seen too many victims of arbitrators not looking closely enough, wanting to ban for following the MoS (misread as an offence, 2013), saying "violation of a restriction" for formatting help for a new user (2014), - depressing, so I began to look away in 2015. - However, nothing compared to ... that Kurdish civil engineer and politician Hevrin Khalaf, who worked for tolerance among Christians, Arabs, and Kurds, was killed in the 2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Therese von Zandt
I know you don't like to be told what to do and this is not the point but I thought you may be interested with this new article, long enough, with refs and sources for another DYK. Just sayin'. LouisAlain (talk) 05:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Fascinating! I knew that I had seen that lead image before. Will do. - I don't mean article work when saying I don't like to be told what to do, I mean the advice to keep my mouth sh o ut! when I see that users are not treated fairly. They mean well, and it's better for my health. I surcived so far.


 * This is where you may have seen this pic before.


 * No, here, Giulietta Guicciardi. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

<div style="margin: auto; max-width: 34em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 ); border-radius: 1em; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">

Kurdish civil engineer and politician

Hevrin Khalaf,

who worked for tolerance

among Christians, Arabs, and Kurds,

was killed

in the 2019 Turkish offensive into Syria?


 * Who wants to speak about infoxes on such background? Still: see just above (I have seen too many victims of arbitrators not looking closely enough ...) and go vote. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Sacred Heart
Gerda,

I'm new to Wikipedia. My edits to the Sacred Heart article were removed by you. I read your comments. I appreciate that you said my edits were well-intentioned. The subject I added, Enthronement of the Sacred Heart, to the Sacred Heart article is appropriate and relevant for that article. My article is well researched and I have lots of references. However, I am not presenting the information in the proper Wikipedia way. This is a whole different way of thinking for me. Could you give me some advice on how to proceed?--Shenaw2016 (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I suggest we do that on your talk page, because it's already a bit crowded here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bengal famine of 1943
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Clara Schumann
Hello! Apologies for intruding on your talk page, but I just wanted to thank you for the work on Clara Schumann article. I love her work so I was very happy that I could learn more about her from the article. Good luck with an FAC if you decide to take that article in that direction. Aoba47 (talk) 05:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was only the nominator, so everybody who contributed - too many to list, Chuchstreet recently (tell him we miss him) - they all deserve praise, and Lingzhi and all who helped for the above which I also only nominated (FAC open for that one, PR for her). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response and everyone who worked on the article definitely should get praise for it. I hope you are having an excellent week so far. Aoba47 (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for A Hymn of St Columba
 Kees08  (Talk)   00:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

sing "with fire"
My annual little tribute to BB's birthday on St. Cecilia's Day, patron Saint of music. <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 50em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 ); border-radius: 1em; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">

Schon gewusst?

Roman Twardy dirigierte in seinem ersten Konzert in St. Bonifatius Dvořáks Stabat Mater.

Did you know ...

... that Benjamin Britten, who composed A Hymn of St Columba for the 1,400th anniversary of Saint Columba's voyage to Iona, wanted it sung "with fire"?

(22 November 2019)

DYK for Serge Rezvani
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Totentanz (Distler)
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2019 (UTC) <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 50em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 ); border-radius: 1em; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">

Schon gewusst?

Márta Kurtág und György Kurtág spielten über 60 Jahre vierhändig, aus Játékok Spiele Games.

Did you know ...

... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler combines motets with spoken dialogue between Death and its victims?

(24 November 2019)

December events with WIR
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Hello
Dear Gerda, we have recently made updates to Stephen Cleobury's information. I understand you need a source. Please see the obituary published yesterday in The Times newspaper. SCrookes (talk) 08:54, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I replied on your talk page, - can we please continue there? Thank you for updating, I will take it to the new German article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Nicholas Danby
Are you aware of organist Nicholas Danby (1935-1997)? A few months ago I noticed that several English-language WP articles mentioned him, but that he had no WP article of his own. Yet he does have a Dutch-language entry here. It seems unfortunate that a non-native WP includes him, yet his native WP doesn't have him. I drafted an English-language article, but another editor has put it into Draft space: Draft:Nicholas Danby. Might you be able to talk a look and see whether we can get it polished and accepted? Feline Hymnic (talk) 11:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I will, but later, - and yes, I agree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Feline Hymnic, I looked, and of course he is clearly notable, and sources for that were easy to find. You could expand recordings, based on them. Missing - and I have o time to look: sources for birth and death, all but one pupils, "professional?" choir, jury work. Good luck, but you could propose move to article space already, arguing that sources may be found easier there than hidden in draft. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I've added a little more. Sadly, Google and Bing don't come up with much in the way of independent, reliable, secondary sources. The "Gramophone" review of his Bach that you mentioned is freely visible to me; I'm in the UK so might the Gramophone website enforce different geographical visibility? Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Might the attempt to get the article accepted be assisted if User:Jerome Kohl could do it? Feline Hymnic (talk)
 * (edit conflict:) I read several Gramophone reviews, - they seem to ask for subscription after a certain number. - Drmies, perhaps you can find what the Dutch article was based on? - Looks like some bio as in concert programs. Feline Hymnic, just drop unsourced things, like students, jury, then submit for review. --Gerda Arendt (talk)
 * Can you be more precise than "a recording of Bach" when he likely played something with an article here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this the recording reviewed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this useful? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * interview, at least a title --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ref for teaching Hale --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ref for teaching Russill - no more time but there's hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the links. Excellent!  By the way, my initial draft (first edit) in June this year was (as I recall) putting the text of the Dutch-language article through Google translate and sanitising the result (i.e. tidying up the resulting English and some quick verification of its references). Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine. You could tidy even more, - "was apprenticed" sounds strange, and - not knowing Dutch - I can't help. Bedtime, and will travel for the rest of the week, so be here only sporadically. Please watch the two organists ITN, who both were Master of Music at Westminster Cathedral and died within 3 days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Colin Mawby
Don't miss the legacy in the last ref, look for "We must save our finest music before it’s too late". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC) <div style="margin: auto; max-width: 54em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 ); border-radius: 1em; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">

Did you know ...

... that the prolific composer and Westminster Cathedral conductor Colin Mawby said, "I cannot write choral music unless I work with choirs ... I have to write for particular people"?


 * --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Messiah capitalization
Thanks Gerda,

I learned something new today about the (non-)antiquity of Reverential capitalization! While I can't find a single 18c print example, there's still a puzzle in the manuscript, which I've added to the capitalization article. Sparafucil (talk) 22:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Isabelle Kabatu
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Mutter Courage und ihre Kinder (film)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanksgiving

 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanksgiving
Giving thanks for your wonderful demeanor, motivating spirit, and exemplary contributions to this encyclopedia. You are always a shimmering light in this vast abyss of data, and I just want to let you know I appreciate every thing you do here. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 00:54, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * This is sweet, moistens the eyes, Coffee, - it will go to my blushing corner. I am so happy that you are not part of Die Fliege (above) anymore. I turned to thanking those who died - too many. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Braun (baritone)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Kathrin Göring
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Debussy Nocturnes DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Nocturnes (Debussy) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! dm (talk) 05:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)  As an aside, the editor who expanded the article was banned as a sockpuppet a little over a week ago dm (talk) 05:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * dm and ALL: No, the editor was discouraged, tried again under a different name, - you know what our loving community has to do: block the efforts to improve the knowledge of the world. - I said a little higher up that we will probably loose him. I also said that the assumption of good faith generously applied could be healing for this place. I keep singing in defiance, did you know? Magnificat. - (I'll get to the nom, but possibly after singing, or after the opera, or tomorrow.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Gerda Arendt - I have no knowledge of this editor's dispute, just picked your nomination randomly for QPQ. As for the nom, take your time, seems there's quite a backlog  dm (talk) 11:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Back from singing the Magnificat: Chuckstreet helped A LOT with Clara Schumann, and with some lists of composers' works (her, Brahms, Fauré, ...), where he got in trouble because he preferred a different layout. I wish he had given in, and removed some of his extra bolding and spacing lines, but instead, he tried the same under a different name, - that's a crime on Wikipedia which calls for indef. - This is not a nuanced story, but in a nutshell. I'll see what we can do. Later. Perhaps LouisAlain could help reducing similarities between sources and article for the Nocturnes? Anybody else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Be careful with your blood pressure Gerda. Just, what do you expect from me in terms that I can understand? You know how impaired I am regarding my mental abilities. LouisAlain (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Click on "your nomination" above. There will be something about too close similarity of article and sources. The author was driven away, so we can't ask him. I bet knowledge of French my help. If you have no time, fine, - same for me. Today is Sunday, and I'm going to see a French opera (link above) soon, a first for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Please don't let anyone's blood pressure rise...  The expander leveraged a specific source and borrowed the exact language too often.  The quotes are understandable, the phrases he kept but didn't quote are much more problematic.  I'd go so far as to suggest that the language could be simplified and made more encyclopedic, rather than narrative and dramatic.  If I get some free time, I'll try to help myself.  Thanks dm (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh and enjoy the opera! dm (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * dm, the opera was great, - second production in Germany, can you believe it. I looked at the Nocturnes, finally, and am a little helpless how to say things such as "The images evoked are dream-like and ritualistic ..." in encyclopedic voice. I am quite busy, and people keep dying, even friends here, - so sad that Brianboulton will not inspire us further. Would you have time? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Tune
From rainy Ireland. Hopefully it will clear up by Paddy's day. Ceoil (talk) 08:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, like the cat especially! You may like the third movement of the Magnificat that we just sang (Et misericordia), at the bottom, a pic from the church where we sang in the middle, never mind German, pics and music are international. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, you actually watched all the video to have spotted the cat! Impressed. Not a huge Vivaldi person, find him a bit airy, but do like choral works of almost every kind. ps myself and Liz are besotted with the Crown series on netflix; I always liked Margaret, so brittle, but courageous. But, until now....hadnt seen the pic. What a shame he was such a cad.  Ceoil  (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just returned from the opera with wonderful Irish Paula Murrihy in the title role, sooo delicate and with sensitivity. Not open yet for other music, - tomorrow. Sad about Mariss Jansons. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Ignaz Saal
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Why do you write in the caption that this is a picture of Carl Weinmüller? --GRuban (talk) 17:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Next time you see me writing the image caption in the alt= paragraph, could you just silently fix it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't even notice the alt paragraph! --GRuban (talk) 03:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, - copying things and then not changing everything that needs to be chnaged is one of my mistakes. It happens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC) -->

DYK for Charlotte Pistorius
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Johann Baptist Metz
Hi Gerda, I have made a few copy editing suggestions on the talk page for the above article which I felt would be better if reviewed/considered by you (rather than me just boldly/rashly doing them). --PaulBetteridge (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * done, some changed, some explained --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Alois Ickstadt
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

crisco
maintains the rage against his latter stage of editing all this time later, I am sure he will not take the message in good faith... JarrahTree 08:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * sad every time I here of rage --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * maintaining the rage nuance in english can be slightly different than 'rage' as a term alone - perhaps keeping an attitude of disparagement towards the community as he last experienced it - but I cannot speak for him... JarrahTree 15:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you, never heard the phrase, helped - so tempted to add what Raymond said (pictured smiling), but it may not fall on softer ground - it helps me, though --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

That jam
Hi Gerda, thanks again for reviewing and commenting. I think you forgot to add the green tick for the bot, though -- would you mind adding that? Thank you, —Kusma (t·c) 11:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reminder! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Der Ring in Minden
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

... finally appeared today, - my opera experience of the year. Part of the hook, "... to listen to the music at the end", would be a good motto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Dixit Maria
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gebhard Fugel
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Peace Dove
Thank you for the reminder, Buster. All season'r greeting below this header, please. As before, my greetings will appear right here, to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!!

 * Thank you. Cheer needed, miss Brian. - I collected the beauties under Peace, and my card to you will appear here when Christmas comes. Advent has to offer plenty of beautiful music, see top today, or here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Weinmüller
Gatoclass (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Twists of fate
Gerda, you might be interested in this story about the Reimann heirs, headlined "Wealthy German family gives millions to Holocaust survivors." – Sca (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Candidate
Here is a Precious candidate for you! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Judith (Matthus)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:10, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jeff Martin (tenor)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 05:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC) ... and as Mime in Der Ring in Minden --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Angelo Neumann
Wenn Sie meine übersetzungen corrigieren, fühle mich ich wie bedauernswert. Schlechter: bemitleidenswert... LouisAlain (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please: no self pity ;) - do you know that the motto of the season - at least in Bach's Jauchzet, frohlocket! - is "verbannet die Klage" - ban complaining, ban lamentation? - Thank you for Abel just in time, before his contract with what made me want it will exspire ;) - German lesson: you wouldn't say "schlechter" in the above, but "schlimmer", only: the two words seems rather synonyms to me. However, I discussed it, and others agree with you that it's "schlimmer" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I hesitated between the two. Next: Hans Heinrich Eggebrecht. Leider ist die Deutsche Wiki ziemlich zchwach when it comes to Kategorien wie Deutsche tenors, sopranos, musicologists usw. LouisAlain (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, but I am really "booked" enough already for this year. Haven't written my articles for Christmas yet ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bernd Loebe
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 03:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC) Happy birthday, Herr Loebe, we thank you great and enlightening opera nights, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)



Besten Glückwünsche ...
...zu Beethovens Geburtstag!
 * – Sca (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * dankeschön, - wrote a little article on the occasion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Many Happy Returns Ludwig :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Alle Menschen werden Brüder* wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
 * ∗ – Or should it be Alle Menschen werden Geschwister?. Ha. – Sca (talk) 19:15, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sing Brüder, think Geschwister ;) - also there's this clause: only where gentleness prevails - A friend of mine said yesterday on this site "We need to treat each other kinder." and was blocked today for saying "fuck you" in an edit summary. We need to treat each other kinder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * (Oder zu gut Englisch, more kindly.) – Sca (talk) 02:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * He who said it is Irish and was blocked, and his name means music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Sonatina
Thanks for your kind comments! Good luck with your article. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 03:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind reminder that you can just listen to Sonatina to know what peace on earth means. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Clara Schumann
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for En blanc et noir
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I missed it.
Thank you for telling me about Brian Gerda. I haven't been following any of the drama boards/Great Swamp posts, or even really watching my watchlist. I didn't know him well, but I knew he put in a lot of time with FA stuff, and often helped folks when they asked. He seemed like a really nice guy to know. — Ched (talk) 01:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the shock, Ched. I had one when I saw an edit by SchroCat on Brian's page, edit summary "dark day", which was a noble way to do it,and I didn't have to look at the page, - I knew by the summary. Brian was the one to give Kafka a thorough review, remember? Yes, I knew that he was ill, and there had been a long time that we thought he'd never edit again, but he returned, and just last month came to my talk (look for his name above), offering his collected sources for the Monteverdi Vespers. I should have been prepared, but didn't read it as a legacy then. - Summary: don't watch drama boards, but the QAI talk, which tells you about articles to be reviewed, the psalms project, the LouisAlain project, and yes, Brian. Today's DYK deals with a composition dedicated to a composer who fell in WWI. The merriness expected for Christmas is not yet right there. But have you heard the news that we'll sing on radio, live? "Have you heard the sound ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in here but, likewise. I have been in a small self-imposed exile and just back today. I was very shocked to hear this. Sad sad news. DBaK (talk) 11:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I like this version. Beautiful.  I had forgotten that he did the Kafka review until you mentioned it.  Sadly, for all too many people there's a bittersweet feeling during the holidays.  Still - I suppose it's what makes us human; the ability to feel pain.  Anyway - I hope you have a wonderful and joyous holiday season Gerda.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. — Ched (talk) 07:37, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * sweet, that version, and giant, - our former conductor was blessed with being invited to attend a rehearsal and sing with them. We will be about a tenth of the people, and just piano and plucked bass, - "simple stable". The conductor's version is this. Best wishes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Etiquette
Hi Gerda! On Jauchzet, if I just want to do really minor stuff (a comma etc) is it OK to edit on the actual article, or would you rather it all went via the FAC page? Obviously anything of greater significance I would discuss in the FAC bit anyway, but I really wasn't sure what was the preferred approach with teeny edits. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking! (I am used to a whole section being removed ...) Go ahead, change, bit by bit please for easy revert, just in case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * – Insert amusing thumbs-up emoji here – thanks Gerda! DBaK (talk) 15:09, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Awwwww those likes – thanks!!! DBaK (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Irma Beilke
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK review
Hi, can you review Template:Did you know nominations/Kapiʻolani in time for an anniversary promotion on December 31. Thanks. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:27, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I will see, little time these days ... look around! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat (Vivaldi)
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Manfred Schenk singing Hagen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITFgrTc1sbQ

Wiener Hofmusikkapelle
It's Christmas, so I expect you are busy, so please feel free to say "no" if you do not like the idea. I came across the article Wiener Hofmusikkapelle when new page patrolling, seemingly abandoned by its creator. At the time, it had a single sentence, two images and about five empty sections. I found that the German Wikipedia had a lengthy article, so I decided to have a go at expanding it. I speak no German, but Google Translate is very good and I have been able to find sufficient information. Would you like to cooperate in improving it, we could do a joint DYK? I may have misinterpreted the sources. Die Grüße der Jahreszeit! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for thinking of me, and if you just expanded we'll have enough time, - I should have more time from the 28th. Kapelle means both the place and the choir, the lead should say so. Going to sing the next 3 days, pleasantly busy ;) - best wishes for the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Angels' Carol
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Peace Dove
Thank you for the reminder, Buster. All season'r greeting below this header, please. As before, my greetings will appear right here, to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

(same) Season's Greetings to you and yours. ― }} FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!!

 * Thank you. Cheer needed, miss Brian. - I collected the beauties under Peace, and my card to you will appear here when Christmas comes. Advent has to offer plenty of beautiful music, see top today, or here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers
Thank you, Marnette. I have a concoction up right now, and more to come for Christmas, and a vision for 2020, both right here, so please keep watching. Thanks for what you do here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. It is always wonderful to see what you create GA. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * blushing ;) - I created Jauchzet, frohlocket! a year ago, translating to rejoice, rejoice! It was moved today, the redirect changed from bold and recognizable to a link, the background section moved to a different article (as if it could not be in both), - rejoice, rejoice! FAC open. The text also contains ban complaining. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
Thank you for a sublime beauty. Christmas music to come (on radio live this year), but we are still in Advent mood, Dixit Maria and Magnificat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Johnbod and all: can you help me finding an image for Angels' Carol: sweet and clear angels' voice - radiance and light - new hope ... - my Christmas and New Year's card will be made at User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2020, and change during the season almost day by day, so please watch, card or talk. Preview: User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2019. An image of us singing Angels' Carol will not be pretty, bcause it will be for a radio live service, with microphones for candles. Wish you radiance and hope already! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There are several lovely groups in this category - unfortunately not the highest res. These flanked the altarpiece in the Magi Chapel. Johnbod (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, lovely, thank you. For the purpose, it would be nice to have something 20th century, and somehow the angels not as concrete, - they are only heard, while talk is about "purity and love" and "radiance and light", - it could almost be abstract. Did you see what I found for a place-holder? (Also wrong country, wrong period, but at least bright ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

 * Thank you, and watch here for music during the days to come. Best wishes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
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Hello there! Shearonink (talk) wishes you & yours the very best of the season!

Whether you celebrate Christmas, Diwali, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus (for the rest of us!) or even the Saturnalia, here's to hoping your holiday time is wonderful and that the New Year will be an improvement upon the old. CHEERS!

Share these holiday wishes by adding   to your friends' talk pages.

Thank you, and see just above for the reply to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

 * Thank you, Buidhe, and also to you. More to come right here, please watch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Kingsif! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

God Jul och Gott Nytt År!
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Please enjoy these messages from our readers! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:14, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, love the song bird! Same to you, more about our songs on top, below the rose hips. Best wishes, and keep watching here for more songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
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Season's Greetings
Thank you, lovely, - please watch User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2020 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Christmas
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May you have a very Happy Christmas, Gerda ...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk)

10:32, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Voce, also to you, - programs for Christmas (live broadcast on 26 December!) and the new year look promising, keep watching here, - and Zanaida on stage today was interesting! - Thank you for your voice around here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you, same to you, - my card in the making, see above. Lightburst is a great name for Vision 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Thank you, ThatMontrealIP! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
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Dear Gerda,

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

♠    Jay     ♠

- Jay (talk) 11:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jay, - you'll appreciate today's soprano. There will be singing all four next days, - please visit again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho!
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Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.


 * Thank you, also for you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Be well

 * Thank you, SilkTork, appreciated, and same to you! You did well in your last term as an arb. My "card" is the making, please watch here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, FWiW Bzuk! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Frohe Feiertage!

 * Thank you, - the taste of coffee and crumbs stand for bittersweet for me, and that's what 2019 was, meeting you often at In the news when people died whom we thank a lot, especially bitter when we knew them. Singing Magnificat, in defiance, about high spirits, compassion and social justice! Enjoy your days in that sense! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Weihnachtsgrüße ...............................................................



 * X
 * Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
 * X


 * Frohe Weihnachten und
 * alles Gute zum neuen Jahr!


 * Wesołych Świąt i
 * Szczęśliwego nowego roku!


 * Linksmų Kalėdų ir 
 * laimingų Naujųjų Metų!


 * – sca


 * Thank you, Sca, forgive me moving it from user page and fixing spelling a bit. Response below --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 * Thank you, good idea, and also for you! We'll sing Hallelujy by, who pointed out how much our singing is rooted in synagugue singing which Jesus did himself. (link in his article, ref 6) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda
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Hoping that Christmas may bless you with peace, love and a Cuban groove... and wishing that you may find a little traditional fun ...
 * Thank you, Martin, thank you for spirits and help last year, - it's now your talk where I let go, DYK? - Beautiful images, and here is mine, and more to come day by day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

A wish for you..

 * Thank you, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง, very kind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thoughts in reply
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just listen to Sonatina to know what peace on earth means.

singing Magnificat, about high spirits, compassion and social justice!

singing Angels' Carol, of radiance and light

Enjoy your days in that sense!

Thanks!
Thanks so much for your kind greeting and, of course, for all the wonderful work that you do! - kosboot (talk) 11:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Entschuldigung
Sorry I mistakenly stuck my greeting on your user page. (Doh! ) Thanks for moving & fixing it. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Kommet, ihr Hirten
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Requiem for the Living
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Mirko Ludwig
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Bach Digital
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

A Bruckner premiere on YouTube
Hi Gerda,

Today I found a Bruckner premiere recording on YouTube: A life performance of Die Geburt, WAB 69 by the Kenyon College Männerchor: Die Geburt, WAB 69.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for sharing. Did you listen to our podcast (on top, look for "listen")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Heiko Trinsinger
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

ahead of time
X1\ (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC) Thank you, BoringHistoryGuy, looks familiar ;) - see below for my 2020 card. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Thank you BoringHistoryGuy, beautiful, and also to you, and see below for a link to my"card". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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Gerda Arendt, Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.

– 2020 is a leap year   – news article. –  Background color is Classic Blue (#0F4C81), Pantone's 2020 Color of the year 

–  North America1000 22:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Northamerica, beautiful, and also to you, and see below for a link to my"card". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

The countdown
Thank you, Atsme, for your personal wishes and homemade fireworks. I am working on my calendar images (up to March as I write this) and wish you light and enlightenment in 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt!
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Happy New Year! Gerda Arendt, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Eddie891 Talk Work 17:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
 * Thank you Eddie, and also to you, and see below, and by now I managed 12 months. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year! ᗙ D Big X ray ᗙ 21:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and also to you. Please find my "card" below! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thoughts in reply
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singing Angels' Carol, of radiance and light

hearing about God is Now, and that great people died,

Peter Schreier singing "When will the time come ...?"

looking forward to 2020!

with wishes, calendar images,

(our) music to listen to,

and music to come in 2020

Many thanks
...for this, much appreciated. All the best to you and yours for the coming year. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to the prize from the cabal of the outcast. Cheers above, and keep looking throughout 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gott ist gegenwärtig
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Harry Kupfer dead
Hallo Gerda,

sad, Harry Kupfer died yesterday. Grimes2 (talk) 12:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, sad. I saw his Holländer, Palestrina and Susanin (the last one not long ago), - unforgettable! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * It's odd that NYT doesn't have an obit yet. Guess they're all celebrating already. – Sca (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, he just died yesterday, and is on our Main page now!! Fastest ever. Sad job. - As I said in the nom, even the last choir member was instructed to support the action, - never a boring minute! - Don't miss my 2020 wishes, calendar + the great music to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Christmas carol rename
Thanks, Gerda, for your kindly rejoinder to my rename effort. I should have put it up for discussion first, which I now intend to do (at the Talk page). Please revert at will; not sure I see how to do it with the three adjustments it triggered. Sorry!--Artaxerxes (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind message, - all the best, - I have no time for any moves and their discussions right now. For those who do: we talk about Christmas carol. I rather sing them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

The South Korean articles like US articles
I need you help, why the almost all South Korean article on Wikipedia use American date Format (MDY Format) like US figures rather than British date format (DMY Format) ? 111.94.241.18 (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Ask at project South Korea, please, - not my topic, and I have no extra time. Happy 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! - Thanks in 2019, Visions in 2020

 * Thank you, Mz7that's nice, just a statistical number, but nice, especially concluding 2019, a year I designated to be the year of thanks. I thank those who thanked me, - it always feels good to receive this little token of one's work being noticed and even liked. I'll transfer the barnstar to project WP:QAI for which I work. We had three topics in 2019 which are ongoing, and you can help (you all, I mean, member or not) to work on them:
 * Improve Psalms articles which come from stub (Psalm 56) to GA (Psalm 84). Thanks to Yoninah, JohnThorne and many more!
 * Expand and source translations by LouisAlain who is probably my most prolific "thanks-giver".
 * Polish articles of people who recently died, with the goal to have them appear in the Recent deaths section whare - sadly - Peter Schreier and Harry Kupfer are as I write this. Thanks to Coffeeandcrumbs, Martinevans123, Grimes2 and many more.


 * What really counts for me are written thanks is prose such as - see below, kept from last year - those from Voceditenore and Coffee. Let's make 2020 a year of vision, together! Article for today Psalm 103. Happy editing in 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Another interesting statistical number: according to a different database query, you were also last year's most thankful Wikipedian, with 4246 uses of the thank tool in 2019. If you meant for 2019 to be your year of thanks, you certainly achieved it. Mz7 (talk) 01:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You read my mind that I was more interested in giving than receiving ;) - Of course it's also just a number, - I regard the clicks as a lazy expression of thanks, and count more what I do in thanking users in prose. - I hope that visions for 2020 will be as successful as the thanks in 2019:
 * ... that missed friends return (... banned, blocked for no good reason, just given up ...) - I didn't even add The Rambling Man and Begoon yet
 * ... that edit-warring is replaced by discussion - I am on voluntary 1RR
 * ... that people realise when they dominate a discussion too much - I try to stick to 2 comments
 * ... that infoboxess added in good faith (now or in the past) are not regarded as vandalism
 * ... that we'll live up to the legacy of Brian Boulton, in article creation, reviewing the work of others, willingness to seek compromise, and respectful attitude
 * or in summary: that good faith and IAR are applied more generally, - just look at Ray's Rules and "go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset over this". - I may add to this list later - this is just a spontaneous wishlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Conclusion
The last version of this talk was this. Thank you for all your conversations! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 2 January 2020 (UTC)