User talk:Gerda Arendt/Archive 2020



Did you know ...

... that "Die Himmel rühmen!" ('The heavens praise'), which begins a song from an 1803 lieder collection by Beethoven setting Gellert's paraphrase of Psalm 19, became the title of a concert series by a pop singer?

(2 February 2020)

... that a verse from Psalm 85 inspired artworks depicting the kiss of Justice and Peace?





2020 · illumination, enlightenment and vision


Did you know ...

... that Ave Maria, an obscure piece for two men's choirs by Franz Biebl published in 1964, became a choral standard after Chanticleer made it part of their holiday programs?

(1 January 2020 · listen to Chanticleer, 2015)

... that John Rutter wrote the text and music for Angels' Carol, a choral piece for Christmas, using the Latin "Gloria in excelsis Deo" as a refrain?

(24 December 2019 · listen to us, 2019)

A barnstar for you! - thanks in 2019, visions in 2020

 * Thank you, Mz7, that's nice, just a statistical number, but nice, especially concluding 2019, a year I designated to be the year of thanks. I thank those who thanked me, - it always feels good to receive this little token of one's work being noticed and even liked. I'll transfer the barnstar to project WP:QAI for which I work. We had three topics in 2019 which are ongoing, and you can help (you all, I mean, member or not) to work on them:
 * Improve Psalms articles which come from stub (Psalm 56) to GA (Psalm 84). Thanks to Yoninah, JohnThorne and many more!
 * Expand and source translations by LouisAlain who is probably my most prolific "thanks-giver".
 * Polish articles of people who recently died, with the goal to have them appear in the Recent deaths section whare - sadly - Peter Schreier and Harry Kupfer are as I write this. Thanks to Coffeeandcrumbs, Martinevans123, Grimes2 and many more.


 * What really counts for me are written thanks is prose such as those from Voceditenore and Coffee.
 * Let's make 2020 a year of vision, together! Article for today Psalm 103. Happy editing in 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Another interesting statistical number: according to a different database query, you were also last year's most thankful Wikipedian, with 4246 uses of the thank tool in 2019. If you meant for 2019 to be your year of thanks, you certainly achieved it. Mz7 (talk) 01:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You read my mind that I was more interested in giving than receiving ;) - Of course it's also just a number, - I regard the clicks as a lazy expression of thanks, and count more what I do in thanking users in prose.

 I hope that visions for 2020 will be as successful as the thanks in 2019:

... that missed friends return (... banned, blocked for no good reason, just given up ...)

... that edit-warring is replaced by discussion - I am on voluntary 1RR

... that people realise when they dominate a discussion too much - I try to stick to 2 comments

... that infoboxes added in good faith (now or in the past) are not regarded as vandalism

... that we'll live up to the legacy of Brian Boulton, in article creation (Percy Grainger and Lost operas by Claudio Monteverdi coming to mind), reviewing the work of others, willingness to seek compromise, and respectful attitude

... or in summary: that good faith and IAR are applied more generally, - just look at Ray's Rules and "go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset over this".
 * I may add to this list later - this is just a spontaneous wishlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: The (missed) Rambling Man is with us again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2020 (UTC) and the (missed) Begoon at least edited his user page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Kirsten Flagstad - Liebestod - 1936 Covent Garden
 * Please let me offer my best wishes to you for the year 2020. May all your whishes and aspirations be fulfilled and many thanks for being so patient with heavy cases such as me. In other terms, thanks for being here, so helpful and ready to spare you time to help other users. On my part, I'll try to advance from inept to less inept. Respectfully yours, LouisAlain (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * love-ly, thank you! - just began "your radiance consumes all darkness" on my grandparents' wedding anniversary, composed for 2 January 1735, - and more articles about light to come ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As Wayne Newton said, "Danke Schoen". SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 21:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

ahead of time
Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht Happy 2020

X1\ (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC) Thank you, BoringHistoryGuy, looks familiar ;) - see below for my 2020 card. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Thank you BoringHistoryGuy, beautiful, and also to you, and see below for a link to my"card". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

·


Gerda Arendt, Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.

– 2020 is a leap year   – news article. – Background color is Classic Blue (#0F4C81), Pantone's 2020 Color of the year ''

–  North America1000 22:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Northamerica, beautiful, and also to you, and see below for a link to my"card". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Chris Troutman ( talk ) 12:03, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Chris Troutman, and please see my "card" below --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

The countdown
Thank you, Atsme, for your personal wishes and homemade fireworks. I am working on my calendar images (up to March as I write this) and wish you light and enlightenment in 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt!


Happy New Year! Gerda Arendt, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Eddie891 Talk Work 17:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
 * Thank you Eddie, and also to you, and see below, and by now I managed 12 months. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year! ᗙ D Big X ray ᗙ '' 21:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and also to you. Please find my "card" below! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thoughts in reply


singing Angels' Carol, of radiance and light

hearing about God is Now, and that great people died,

Peter Schreier singing "When will the time come ...?"

looking forward to 2020!

with wishes, calendar images,

(our) music to listen to,

and music to come in 2020

Many thanks
...for this, much appreciated. All the best to you and yours for the coming year. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to the prize from the cabal of the outcast. Cheers above, and keep looking throughout 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gott ist gegenwärtig
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Harry Kupfer dead
Hallo Gerda,

sad, Harry Kupfer died yesterday. Grimes2 (talk) 12:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, sad. I saw his Holländer, Palestrina and Susanin (the last one not long ago), - unforgettable! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * It's odd that NYT doesn't have an obit yet. Guess they're all celebrating already. – Sca (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, he just died yesterday, and is on our Main page now!! Fastest ever. Sad job. - As I said in the nom, even the last choir member was instructed to support the action, - never a boring minute! - Don't miss my 2020 wishes, calendar + the great music to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Alas, today I have a bad case of Trumpregierungsschlamasselschmerz. – Sca (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ... while I sang in a group of volunteers Jauchzet, frohlocket! and most other choral movements from the WO, even the two arias from Part I in unison, just for our enjoyment. "Verbannet die Klage" - which could mean "ban complaining". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm... – Sca (talk) 17:29, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ave Maria (Biebl)
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Demmer
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

222,222
Congratulations! Jmar67 (talk) 01:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * in 2020, the things you see ;) - thank you for copy-editing, must be a high number of repeated mistakes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2020 WikiCup!
Happy New Year, Happy New Decade and Happy New WikiCup! The competition began at the start of January and all article creators, expanders and improvers are welcome to take part. If you are interested in joining, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Creative editors like yourself seem to enjoy taking part, and many return year after year. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup are, , and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't know what it is but believe in collaboration rather than comptition. Enough that I just won the thanks competition which I didn't know either ;) - Happy 2020, the year to do something tohether about Beethoven and Louis Vierne! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nicholas Danby
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kurt Honolka
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

New article Annelien Van Wauwe
Hallo Gerda,

ich habe soeben einen Artikel in deutsch, niederländisch und englisch über diese Klarinettistin veröffentlicht. Ich wäre dir dankbar, wenn du dir den englischen einmal ansehen und hinsichtlich der Sprache und Ausdrucksweise so korrigieren würdest, dass sich ein "vernünftiges" Englisch ergibt. Vielen Dank! --Gisel (talk) 10:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll look, but am not sure when. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Gisel, thank you for "her"! I gave it a brief look, - please - if you agree:
 * reduce lead image size by parameter image_upright = 0.7 (0.8)
 * consider to use infobo person
 * drop some details from it
 * don't call her Annelien or Annalien
 * format "all-capitals" in ref titles
 * write more substantial lead
 * get concerts before awards
 * make the two recordings prose.
 * She should be good for DYK eventually (and bulleted things don't count for that). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Gisel, would you please do more of the above? Try not to reference anything to her personal website, because that's not independent. You don't have to reference that certain competition exist, such as Deutscher Musikwettbewerb, but that she won a prize. Please trim prose and inobox from too much detail. It's of no encyclopedic value to exactly know who sponsored her when. Good luck. I look in two days which is the last day for a DYK nomination. - I did some for you, marked by above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda Arendt, ich denke, alle Punkte sind jetzt erledigt, auch dank deiner Mithilfe. Oder ist noch etwas offen ("format "all-capitals" in ref titles" verstehe ich nicht bzw. kann nicht glauben, dass die Titel der Fußnoten in Versalien geschrieben werden sollen, z. B. KONZERTHAUSORCHESTER BERLIN)?--Gisel (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will look later. I wasn't clear - all-caps should be avoided even if a source has them. - Please have a source at the end of every section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Notre Père
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * thank you, going to sing Requiem in October --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hut ab
Hut ab for the 1339 DYKs as of today. The three users occupying the places on the podium will be hard to dislodge I'm afraid. In 2002 maybe. Tough luck though. And kudos. LouisAlain (talk) 13:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As said elsewhere above, I go for collaboration rather than competition. How many (topics I didn't know exist) of those did you introduce? Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the kind note you left on my userpage--really appreciated it! And just wanted to say thanks again for all your thoughtful help improving the article & DYK on Agnes Nebo von Ballmoos. I hope that you have a wonderful New Year! :) Philepitta (talk) 02:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Helping the article about an enthusiastic chorale conductor was a special pleasure ;) - happy 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:29, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Willi
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Real Monasterio de Santo Tomás
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I/archive1
Hi Gerda; sorry I was partially responsible for sinking this. I'm just dropping by to answer some questions you asked of me. (Some comments removed.)


 * What does the MOS say about translating foreign titles? I think some readers might find the unformatted "Jauchzet, frohlocket! Auf, preiset die Tage (Shout for joy, exult, rise up, praise the day)" a little confusing. Further down, you have "Thomaskirche (St. Thomas) and Nikolaikirche (St. Nicholas)", which feels like a different style. You definitely use a different style with "Tönet, ihr Pauken! Erschallet, Trompeten! BWV 214 (Resound, ye drums! Ring out, ye trumpets!)"
 * I am not sure that I understand the question, sorry. I don't see the style difference. --GA
 * Ok; here are three different ways of doing translations: 1) "Bonjour ("Hello")"; 2) "Bonjour (Hello)" 3) "Bonjour (Hello)". You seem to use all three, and then there are further possible variants when we start talking about Title Case, italicising foreign phrases, adding explanations like "Bonjour (English: Hello)". I'm just wondering how the MOS says these things should be approached, as the article's use currently feels inconsistent. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "is a 1734 Christmas cantata by Johann Sebastian Bach as the first part of his Christmas Oratorio" Do we need a verb for the as? written as, considered as, performed as...
 * Can you help wording that? This cantata IS Part I. Not "writtem as", not "considered as", not "performed as". The oratorio - as Bach planned and first performed it - tool six days to be performed, in six parts, each part a cantata. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * How about splitting the sentence? "...is a 1734 Christmas cantata by Johann Sebastian Bach. It is the first part of his...". Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "For the oratorio, the libretto by" I confess I don't really know what aoratoias or librettos are. This all feels a bit technical for the first paragraph. Nor do I know what "reflecting texts" are. And what does scene mean in this context? recitative? secco recitative? I worry this is all a bit technical for the lead.
 * I am afraid that we won't get around these terms. A scene is the same as in theatre. "Recitative" is a good English word for the Italian "recitativo", and any wording around it would be unprofessional and clumsy. There's a link for those who don't know. - We do have featured articles on similar topics, such as BWV 22. --GA
 * If you ensure that there are wikilinks at the first mention and there's definitely no way around the terms, I suppose I'm not opposed. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ" Worth a link? Nothing wrong with redlinks if the subject is notable.
 * It was linked in the infobox, then (piped) under Christmas Day, and again under "Readings and text". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I thought they were different works with the same name. (One by Bach, one by Luther.) Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Paragraph one of the subsection titled "1": Could you check your quotes match with LQ?
 * Nor sure what you mean. Don't even know for LQ stands for, sorry.
 * Yes, I'm sorry, that was unclear. I was referring to MOS:LQ; there is a surprising comma within some speech marks, for example. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In the final line of the article, I learn that this is one of Bach's most performed pieces; I feel I probably shouldn't have had to wait until then. I appreciate the note about limited scholarlship, but more scholarly/critical appraisal would, I think, add to the article, which currently focuses on just describing the music.
 * Yes, you are right, - my problem is that I am not sure about performances in the world, where German is less common. In Germany, it's what Handel's Messiah is in the English-spealing world, THE piece performed around Christmas - now often several cantatas in one concert, such as I to III and VI. I doubt, however, that it's true for the rest of the world. Help welcome. Thank you for looking, and valuable comments! - I hope that your concerns will be met by Christmas 2021 if not 2020. On vacation right now, with limited service ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspect, then, that this article might need to engage with the German-language literature on the subject; leaning too heavily on English-language sources might not reflect all there is to say. I appreciate that this is not easy. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Josh, and no, there's no fault in your comments, no need to say "sinking" ;) - I nominated an incomplete article without peer review hoping that together we could fix it to appear for Christmas 2019, - we didn't, and I look at 2020 or 2021 now. So, on vacation, I plan to work on it from later in January, including your comments above. I wonder if I should just return the article to the GA version and take it from there, because many problems late reviewers encountered came in during the FAC process. What do you think? Is it ownership to restore to a GA version? What do others think? - Btw, a pic from my last vacation is picture on the Main page today, see thread above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Raymond Wolansky
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wir pflügen und wir streuen
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Bach Digital links
Replying to your suggestion:

The BWV 36 article currently has: I'd write (ideally) something like this: Or, simplified format: Now, suppose that www.bach-digital.de is off-line (which you apparently experienced earlier today), then neither of the three formats is actually a reference in the sense of the WP:V policy, but, without doubt, the second and the third are preferable: at least they don't give disinformation like the first does.
 * Bach Digital Work

If the website works, the third actually has an advantage for those who don't understand German: it sets the language of the linked page to "English", which is preferable for English-language Wikipedia, even if, currently, the English-language version of most of the website's pages is still rather a mixture of German and English. The English of these pages might improve over time; the title of these pages might change (like many did in 2018, and many more will likely this year, that is, if the Bach Archive keeps its promise to publish the new version of the BWV this year).

Further, the pages of the Bach Digital website work with a "static URL", "static" meaning that that is the only content of the page *which will never be modified*. The BDW template, which I use in the simplified format (3rd example above), starts from this principle: if that is the only content of the page that will always be the same, then the static url's characteristic number (i.e. the number that defines the page that is being used as reference) is all that should be shown when linking to it from Wikipedia. That is another advantage of the simplified format: one does not need to revisit the visible part of the Wikipedia link when the title of the Bach Digital page changes (thus always, whatever happens, error-free as link – which can not be said of the first format above).

In short: Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:25, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If the Bach Digital website doesn't work, the first of the examples above is the least preferable while misleading;
 * If the Bach Digital website works, there are at least two clear advantages to the third way of presenting the link.


 * I'll think about it, but not now, festive day, drank a bit too much ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll ask how this would be compatible with the request to say as much about a source as we known which is normal for featured articles, - later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Aikin
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gott, der du warst und bist und bleibst
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Figuralchor Frankfurt
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Tochter Zion, freue dich
--valereee (talk) 12:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * thank you, rejoice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

FAC mentoring
Hi Gerda,

As you may be familiar, I write and improve articles primarily about radio stations, and lately I've been teaming up with my friend on several projects. One of those article improvements, KWKW, has grown quite beyond a sprucing up into a more than 5x expansion, and the article now stands at more than 37,000 prose characters citing more than 170 sources. We would like to proceed with nominating the article as an FA candidate but have no experience in the realm whatsoever, and because a significant portion of the article is about this radio station's time as KFAC—the preeminent classical music broadcaster in Los Angeles for 40 years—we thought you would make a good fit as a mentor. Articles of this length on U.S. radio stations are exceedingly rare—WINC (AM) is the only comparable FA, and there are several GAs as well.

We've completed the expansion and the page will also be nominated for DYK, but we're hoping that you would be willing to assist us in the FAC process. Raymie (t • c) 06:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Raymie, thank you for thinking of me, and I am interested! You may want someone else, because my only FAC in 2019 was not successful. You may want someone else because I am occupied with several projects of my own, - see above, look for vision. You may want someone else because I'm on vacation and have very little time besides hiking and enjoying scenery, food and drink. If you are still not driven away, have patience, and we can tackle it together. Did you already write alternate text - as for someone blind - for images? - I want to improve the article of someone who recently died before even looking at yours ;) - seriously: I hate seeing those tagged for lack of sources, but was too tired when I discovered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, have you considered a peer review? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nun lässest du, o Herr
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mariä Krönung (Lautenbach)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Dein Lob, Herr, ruft der Himmel aus
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

DW fracas
You might be interested in this Guardian piece. – Sca (talk) 14:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Stabat Mater (Dvořák)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Stabat Mater (Dvořák) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Francis Schonken -- Francis Schonken (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Angelo Neumann
M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  21:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Precious
Thank you! I see you have been busy. Happy New year! --Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉  16:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wiesbadener Bachwochen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Begotten DYK
Hello Gerda, I recently become aware of your comments for my Did You Know entry for the film Begotten. In regards to that, I was wondering what you meant by adding a year (when the film was released or how long it took for editing)? Just wanted clarification before working on that again. Thanks for the heads up.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I answered in the nomination, - just returned from vacation, and behind with many things --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I hope it all went well. The only other question I have is do you want me to list a specific date rather than say silent film? ANyways thanks for the input.--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * no, sorry for being unclear, - silent film should be more or less known, - just such a thing in almost our time is a surprise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wacław Brzeziński
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes you win
As in this case. Welcome back. Jmar67 (talk) 11:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Back from vacation which was great, hiking wonderful places, such as this (not my pic yet). - I wish we could say welcome back to some who gave up, Begoon and Onel5969 recently, and to the one who wrote the above biography, and got banned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

William Grant Still
May I have your assistance on this page? I know Americans are not your strong suit but I think you may still have some resources I may lack. I would particularly appreciate some help in finding sources for his compositions. I am trying to get the article a little better so I can include him at POTD for Black History Month. --- C &amp; C  (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I know nothing but can perhaps turn up sources. First, though, there's a DYK nom due today, a GA review to which I haven't replied several days, to name only the most urgent things where I am behind after vacation of which I also want to upload images (see right above). Did you see a pic I took, on top? More about it here. - New York City Opera - memories ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Am Grabe, WAB 2
Hi Gerda,

I have a problem with Am Grabe, WAB 2. The single complete recording of the original version of the song is by the Wagner Society Male Choir of Japan, 11 December 1988, that can be heard on YouTube: Am Grabe, WAB 2.

However, the choir used another (modernised?) text. I have asked them where I could find this text, but I got no answer... I have looked at several sources and sites, but I have not found this text or the score that they had used.

You are German speaking. Therefore, I would be you very grateful if you could listen to this recording and transcribe the used text.

Many thanks in advance, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll try. At the moment I'm in the middle of responses to a GA review, and promised many other things, more than I remember. I want to upload images also, and may want to ask you about some plant names. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gerda. You know that you can always ask me for info about plants. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:06, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! So far I managed kitten pics, hope to get to flowers today. Did you know that we call what is pictured on top Eisblumen, literally ice flowers. Does English have anything similarly poetic? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Dear Gerda, so far I know, Eisblume(n) = Frostpattern (also used for 'tracey on frosted windows'). In French = fleur(s) de givre (for 'tracey on frosted windows'). Amicalement (Mit freundlichen Grüßen), --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's great for windows. Is there a name for plants covered with frost, other than just frost? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I absolutely don't know. As you suggest, I would say "plants covered with frost". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * That's fine, thank you. - As for the text the singers used in the YouTube, - if that's something new, it may be protected by copyright, and we shouldn't print it here. Perhaps just a note that they sing a different text? (... on top of still being busy) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It is what I did. See External links. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die Opernprobe
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

 * Thank you for refreshment ;) - hope to see more by you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Jirangmoon, can you perhaps help me with the two Korean sources for Peter Beyerhaus, - translate title and publisher to English, use were facts are supported. My trust in translation progams is limited. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I will be happy to assist you. Please tell me specifically what you need?--Jirangmoon (talk) 09:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Jirangmoon I thought I did, just above. Was that unclear? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I missed the References at that time. I am a beginner. :) --Jirangmoon (talk) 11:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * nothing wrong with that, I just didn't know what was unclear - thank you for the changes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jutta Hering-Winckler
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Article Backun Musical Services
Hello Gerda Arendt, Bearcat proposed the article for deletion because it does not contain enough independent sources. So I removed one of the original 4 sources and then added 17 new ones.

The discussion about the possible deletion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Backun_Musical_Services doesn't seem to interest anyone except Bearcat and me. Could you perhaps enrich it with a small contribution, which of course should ensure that the article with the now 20 references is preserved. Many thanks!--Gisel (talk) 12:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * As you may have noticed, I tried to improve the article. Will see what else I can do. Clearly notable, - I think I eve said so in an edit summary. Or was that the opera festival? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * result was "keep", congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Reinhold Fritz
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jessye Norman
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jessye Norman you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Reaper Eternal -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Litanies (Mozart)
Gatoclass (talk) 11:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Manually archived - thank you Gatoclass! - this stayed extra long. DYK that I try to write about compositions, to appear on composers' birthdays? 17k+ clicks for Mozart, more than ten times the clicks for his litanies, but that's the idea. Not sure yet what to do for Beethoven, but also we don't know his birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Annelien Van Wauwe DYK
Hi Gerda, thanks for your work on that DYK. Just wondering if you know what's going on with that claim about the Yoga breathing, and why those refs were added at the end of the claim without apparent mention of the composer in the sources. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 14:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not now, though, I am behind in urgent topics, and her yoga is of little interest to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I looked, and don't see yoga, - check with Gisel, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Texts from Refs
 * Texts from Refs

Hallo Gerda Arendt, Lotje hat am 27.1. die von mir sorgfältig gestalteten Texte von 16 Refs geändert, und zwar mit dem Hinweis: Filled in 16 bare reference(s) with reFill 2

Ich halte das für eine wesentliche Verschlechterung des Artikels. Dazu zunächst nur das Beispiel Ralf Forster. Im Artikeltext wird er als Lehrer genannt. Es gibt über ihn keinen WP Artikel. Daher wollte ich ihn in einer Fußnote (5) vorstellen. Die URL lautete:

https://www.konzerthaus.de/de/besetzung-konzerthausorchester-berlin-new/prof-ralf-forster/224

Als Text erschien in der Fußnote: “Konzerthausorchester Berlin, introduction of Ralf Forster, solo clarinetist and professor”

Jetzt lautet die URL: https://www.konzerthaus.de/de/besetzung-konzerthausorchester-berlin

Sie ist also verkürzt und sieht anders aus. Der neue nichtssagende Text, ohne jeden Bezug zu Forster: “m i r media-Digital Agency-. Besetzung Konzerthaus Berlin“

Ich möchte Jotje am liebsten komplett zurücksetzen.Gisel (talk) 09:16, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, but have a few topic closer to my heart, first. Please call me just Gerda. I don't go for introducing people without article, - they have one in German, then ill link ill, or not, then they will hopefully be mentioned in a source about her. A ref only about a third person is clutter, imho (in my humble opinion). I don't go for complete reverts, normally, but sometimes they are the best way out of a problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above-mentioned ref - if to be used which I doubt - would be (specific link but no "introduction" etc): --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gudrun Pausewang
Sorry this nearly slipped off, Gerda -- keep up the good work! Espresso Addict (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 85
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * kiss of Justice and Peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Nearly 5,000 clicks! Great job on the hook! And the image is beautiful. Yoninah (talk) 14:22, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, - you wrote the most interesting part of it: that the famous kiss may be a misunderstanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Othmar Maga
I notice that you have done some editing for this article. My question is, if you haven't already done so, could you have a look through the discography at the end, and tell me if you are happy with it the way it is. I presume it is in German and or French, and wonder if, in your opinion, it needs any clarification in English. Editrite! (talk) 09:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I just translated the titles, I will link to some pieces and composers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Othmar Mága - I did what I could. Composers Vogel and Wagemann were left without a link. Detectives welcome, also ref finders. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your excellent work in translating his discography. My only query is that I presume "ouverture" translates to overture in English. Editrite! (talk) 08:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, make changes as you see fit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Maria, Königin des Friedens
Guten Tag Gerda! I will start reviewing this at DYK when I get home this evening. I was living a few miles away in Düsseldorf for the second half of 2018 but wasn't aware of this church until now — what a shame! Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Danke. Much more could be said about the building, but I lack the architecture vocabulary for concrete building technology. My topics - sadly - are people who died, like right above, an article with links right to the German Wikipedia for refs ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Zegani
Hi Gerda, can you use the second source listed at google books and add a bit more info on the church. It says something about a portico and the high Middle Ages but doesn't translate well on Google translate.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I looked. Probably you mean the German one, which comes as #1 for me - google knows I read German. Three pages, nothing particularly interesting, very small (exact measurements given if wanted), very modest, a cross for a floorplan with even length, but north and south are not as high as west and east. In the forest, has its own wall all around (Umfassungsmauer) which is 30 m away from the same of Zegani monastery, - so is separate. - On the third page it says Marinekirche instead Marienkirche ;) - typo, I guess. - On the first page, it mentions Portikus as a kind of waiting room, and is cut then, - not what I'd know about Portikus. - Title of the book has "Vom 4. Bis Zum 7. Jh", much earlier then than medieval, 4th to 7th century. Hope that helps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Jesu meine Freude
Thanks for the edit summary reminding me of BWV227. BHG should certainly "Trotz dem alten Drachen" :-) Guy (help!) 09:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * yes and yes, defy the old dragon, and fear on top ("und der Furcht dazu") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * the section back then was User talk:Gerda Arendt/Archive 2013 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

You're the sweetest
You always make me smile, thank you for your nice words of encouragement. I brought you some `Atayef cos baklava is too mainstream ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 12:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * This is so especially sweet, thank you, ~ Elias! How did you know that I just typed ? Perfect timing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for that. Looks like I'm missing out on a lot of Wikidrama. Anyway, I hope WP treats you nicely and you don't consider quitting ever again. ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 10:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said there: I stubbornly stay ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Yves Abel
— Wug·a·po·des​ 06:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 00:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die Himmel rühmen des Ewigen Ehre
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 2 February 2020 (UTC) The first in 2020 topic Beethoven, and second in psalms, for a pic of the composer from that year see above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for In dich hab ich gehoffet, Herr
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC) Third in psalms. Mir hat die Welt trüglich gericht' - comcerts end of March here - translates to "The world hath judged me with deceit, ... In this distress, guard me from false deceptions. " ref --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Opera singers
Hello, Thank you for your message. Zylis-Gara is misleading as I still need to cover the range from Se-Zw. They are quite interesting articles to work on.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 09:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I recognized soooo many I had worked on. Did you know that I recently wanted to create one, only to find out I had written about her in 2013? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Am Grabe, WAB 2
Dear Gerda,

I have in the meantime found a page with bars 1 to 4 of Am Grabe, WAB 2 with the modified text sung by the Wagner Society Male Choir of Japan in Am Grabe, WAB 2:


 * First strophe: Lasset uns den Leib begraben, überwindet Leid und Schmerz, ...
 * Second strophe: Nicht s für immer ist entschwunden, der uns liebend war ge...
 * Third strophe: ...

As I previously wrote, I would be you very grateful if your could find time to complete this text. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I listened in, and understand only what you wrote. "Let us bury the body, conquer suffering and hurt, ... he disappeared not forever, who was lovingly ... to us ..." - As before, the quality of the text doesn't deserve attention and translation. I found the word "heimatwärts" (towards Heimat, - rather untranslatable anyway) in a poem, but it was a different poem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have in the meantime found the author of the modified text: Gottfried Grote, but further nothing else about the concerned text. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Gottfried Grote? - You could summarize the ideas of the poem easily, just from the bits we have. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I confirm that it is Gottfried Grote. See in the Katalog der Deutschen Nationalbibliothek. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear Gerda,

I have in the meantime reconstituted most of Grote's text from Sheet Music Now:
 * First strophe
 * Lasset uns den Leib begraben, überwindet Leid und Schmerz,
 * Let us bury the body, conquer suffering and hurt,
 * denkt der Hoffnung, die wir haben: … heimatwärts.
 * think of the hope that we have ... towards homeland.
 * Second strophe
 * Nicht für immer ist entschwunden, der uns liebend war gesellt,
 * Not for ever is gone, who was our loving company,
 * denn wer hier mit Gott verbunden, …
 * because who is connected to God here ...
 * Third strophe
 * Drum laßt uns den Herren preisen, der zum Heimgang ihn erwählt,
 * Therefore let us praise the Lord, who chose him to go home,
 * und an uns will treu beweisen, daß im Leid sein Trost nicht fehlt.
 * and will faithfully prove to us that in suffering, consolation will not be missing.

The end of strophes 1 & 2 is not yet retrieved. The last word of strophe 1 could indeed be heimatwärts. The third strophe is now complete.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a quite literal translation of what we have, - just below each line. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Hopefully I will retrieve later the missing end of strophes 1 & 2. Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear Gerda,

I have just found the last row of strophes 1 & 2 on sheetmusicplus:

Strophe 1: Gottes Weg führt heimatwärts.
 * Gods way leads towards [our] homeland

Strophe 2: freut sich dort der neuen Welt.
 * will enjoy the New World there.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I like your persistence ;) - At the grave, so to speak, of the great people mentioned in the news: Mirella Freni, Volker Spengler, Lucille Eichengreen, Nello Santi, Gudrun Pausewang, three of them on the Main page as I write this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * With renewed thanks for your help! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Psalms: English text
Hi, we really need some kind of English translation on Psalm 31 and all the Psalm pages. Please see Psalm 85 where I added the public-domain English translation from the JPS Bible from 1917. It's better than nothing, no? (I'm just not sure how to do the public-domain line under Sources.) Yoninah (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. How about raising the question on the project talk, and pinging those who had concerns? - I began a little list of our efforts. Help wanted for adding at least the Latin below the English, such as: (la:) In te Domine speravi . I tried template plainlist, but it seemed not to work, - perhaps my mistake. I don't like the new-line-code for the purpose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, great work on adding text and sources to Psalm 31! I added a few contemporary songs and think we're about 100 characters short of a 5x expansion–and we have till February 10 to nominate. Do you think this source will be helpful at all? Yoninah (talk) 18:24, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The source is nice, but a little more lead might also do the trick ;) - I was busy all day so far with Nello Santi, - such a great person, and such a poor little article ... - listen and look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This source also says that verses 9–16 are used for the Liturgy of the Passion. I could add that to the lead and body, but we don't have a Wikipedia article on Liturgy of the Passion. Are you familiar with it? Is it Catholic Church or something else? Yoninah (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec:) Thank you for whatever we did, - we reached a fine expansion according to my DYK check. - Concert piece in October will be a giant and rarely performed setting of Psalm 130 by Joachim Raff! - after ec: yes: Catholic, but I don't know if same worldwide. I think the quotation by Jesus is stronger and more general, we could perhaps link to Sayings of Jesus on the cross where it's mentioned. Will turn now - finally - to the article I planned to improve today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't understand what you want me to do.
 * When you nominate for DYK, I'll provide the QPQ. I suggest something like "... that the last words of Jesus, Saint Bernard, Jerome of Prague, and Martin Luther came from a verse in Psalm 31?" Yoninah (talk) 18:50, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you do it? I have no time today, - perhaps tomorrow. Also just Jesus might be enough because whoever knows the others will know that they followers of Jesus, and for some they may be just names. Too bad we didn't wait a bit, - would have been good for Good Friday. I missed the connection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll do it.
 * Good Friday – that's what I was talking about in the previous post! We need to add the connection to the article. Should it be under Uses (Catholic)? Yoninah (talk) 18:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That the last sayings are referred to is on Good Friday for all Christians I know. Set to music in the Passions after Luke. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Carolina Crespi
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Josef Protschka
— Wug·a·po·des​ 22:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC) 12:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Jemal Gokieli
Are you able to find any sources for Jemal Gokieli, please?
 * I'll try. Unsourced since 2009, o dear ... - I just found a source for Jessye Norman, replacing an unreliable one, only to find that some of the article was from that new source, word for word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * interview with granddaughter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * discogs, not "reliable" but better than nothing
 * orchestra history
 * music, 2 conducted by him
 * 4 recordings - not much, sorry --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wolfgang J. Fuchs
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That's ... not ... opera ?!?!? --GRuban (talk) 00:55, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * no, that's recent daths which keeps me busier than I like. I saw Kirchner (just above) when he dedicated his opera - a giant book - to Walter Fink. I want to improve the psalms, today Psalm 31, and yes opera, saw Tristan und Isolde this year and La gazzetta, and yes Germany, and yes the music I sing, - so no no no to all "discussions" whether an article should have an infobox, the simple answer being "why not?". How many words and minutes were wasted spent about the difference between this abd this, to mention only the one that hurts the most, because - as Kirchner - he was of personal importance to me, see Jahrhundertring. I was present in Götterdämmerung. - Adding to my new year's resolutions to improve the stub list of the operas I saw, with dates and people, and make it sortable, and reduce the red links ... - and not to forget working on this legacy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Re:Precious
Vielen Dank Gerda für deine Komplimente, ich schätze sie sehr! Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

precious
Hi Gerda, Thankyou for my Precious birthday card, which I always enjoy receiving!! You must be kept fairly busy now that you have found so many deserving recipients, trying to think up things to say to everybody. My Quaker upbringing taps me on the shoulder to warn against taking too much notice of birthdays, but I permit myself a moment of satisfaction and just remember my first edit back in 2006 when (as I now notice) I was passing myself off under another alias. I trust all is well with you? Kind regards, Eebahgum (talk) 22:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for another lovely note, Eebahgum! Actually, I take less time for Precious these days, passing no longer every day but only when I see a new name. The birthdays are almost automated, preparing a time after me. I work on this list of memory, - everybody welcome to help: look at Deaths in 2020, see a name whose article is not yet in good shape, change that, and then she or he (just look above) will be mentioned on our Main page, giving them the attention their achievements deserve. My New Year's greting (wishes - flowers - music) is linked on top, and my visions for 2020 will stay for the year. The motto of vision is derived from project Vision 2020, "eliminate avoidable blindness", did you know? It's also a Beethoven year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "Deaths in 2020" is a bit ominous. I remember there were three real old rustic fellows who always used to sit together in a pub near here. After the first of them died, somebody put a little brass nameplate on the settle where he used to sit. When the second one died, the same thing happened. Then both the nameplates disappeared, because the third man came in with a screwdriver and took them off, saying "It will be me next!" I looked at the article this morning, and February 10 was (at that moment) still invitingly, enticingly, alluringly, menacingly BLANK: but to judge by all the precedents, the resident's list will be full up by tonight. I do not like such chilly hospitality: makes one think of the Wirtshaus in the Winterreise, but I intend to plod on a little further yet, crows, icicles, organ-grinders and all - "Excelsior"! Very best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The title isn't by me ;) - Mirella Freni, la soave fanciulla ... - so the hospitaliy of throughing out dead and unreliable sources, searching for better ones, with Mimi's singing in my head. Will go outside before doing more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Different color for hatted threads
Hello Gerda. I remember you asking if there is a different color for a hatted thread that could be used on BrianBoulton's talk page. I just saw this thread Wikipedia talk:Reference desk. Now I can't figure what part of the closing template caused the color to be beige but I thought I'd make you aware of it anyway. I hope you have a pleasant week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 05:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Marnette, thank you for thinking of me. I never minded the colour for practical purpose, such as on WP:Great Dismal Swamp, where it clearly indicates things done versus things open. I never hatted a thread, always open ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 06:34, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Maria, Königin des Friedens
Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)



... that Maria, Königin des Friedens (Mary, Queen of Peace), a Brutalist pilgrimage church in Neviges, Germany, has become architect Gottfried Böhm's signature building?

The architect just celebrated 100! I took one of the images, but not the lead ... - album here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

John Bröcheler
Here is a link to a recent picture of him. Perhaps you can use as Fair Use???? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea how that would work? I only uploaded my own pics, including one of the building mentioned just above (not the lead image, - I was afraid it would be deleted when shown prominently, as another one of my interior pics). Thanks for the find, will add to external links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Anniversary
I am unsure what the anniversary is but many thanks anyway! :) GiantSnowman 18:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * there's a link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die Wolke
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Disruption
Please stop your disruptive infobox-related edit-warring. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:10, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Pardon? For my talk page watchers: I wrote an article Die Wolke which is on the Main page right now, so underwent some reviewing. Today, while on the Main page, Francis moved the article to Fall-Out which is an English translation. He also changed the lead. I reverted both, and hoped for a polite explanation. Instead, both actions were repeated, citing WP:NCB. I read a guideline, and explained how I understand it. That was interpreted as a misreprentation. Now who is disruptive? Funny, it was just today that I wrote that often when you are told you are disruptive you think it's the other one, - both ways probably.

Disruption, yes

 * Nutshell: The article was stable at Die Wolke. Even two English books cited say Die Wolke (The Cloud). The rather sensational Fall-Out is only good for talking about the printed English translation, not for Pausewang's book. It's a bad title for that article, and if a guideline makes us use it, something is wrong with the guideline. When will a discussion on the article talk begin, Francis, which you should have begun after the first revert of move and rewording? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Francis Schonken, I see what you are doing and I don't like it. You are trying to muscle this article to a different title under the pretext of Gerda doing something with an infobox. Surely one would expect someone to have better manners than that. Naming conventions (books) is a guideline, not a law, and moving something that is on the front page without so much as a by-your-leave is incredibly disruptive. I am moving it back. If you want it moved, take it to the talk page., didn't you just warn this editor about edit-warring on some policy-related matter? Gerda, I don't know what the status is between you and Schonken, but if you think this is ANI-worthy, I support that. Edit warring, move warring, and messing with the article of someone we know you have a grudge against, and thinking that dropping a few letters in an edit summary suffices, that's not acceptable. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 11 February 2020 |(UTC)
 * Thank you, Drmies. I try to avoid WP:Great Dismal Swamp, and I try to have respectful relation to all colleagues. I didn't like the move to an English title, also today, of a Bach cantata, Talk:The Dispute Between Phoebus and Pan, BWV 201, nor the change from this version to what we have now, though. Open to advice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, one thing at a time please. Schonken left me a kind of a threat on my talk page, which I reverted. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't call to action, just responded to how the status is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Responding to Drmies ping, the diffs are, , Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:22, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Francis, thank you for help with hymn articles such as Nun liebe Seel, nun ist es Zeit. I am on voluntary 1RR, but loose my good intentions and my temper when WP:BRD - which wants discussion, not war - is not followed, - also a guideline. and for positive interactions. "Nun ist es Zeit" translates roughly to "now is the time". Consider to also go on voluntary 1RR, now would be a good time. One step further, if I was you I'd refrain from doing the actual guideline changes, and stick to discussion. - Thank you also for the extra attention you created for Die Wolke, - good statistics ;) - article work is what we are here for, and I deplore the lost time (temps perdu) spent on moves and reverts that ignore the decisions and preferences of others. - I will archive this soon, as predicted in the Cassandra comment linked above. - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nun liebe Seel, nun ist es Zeit
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ulrich Konrad
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Estonia
Can you help here? Jmar67 (talk) 22:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, will look tomorrow, - dealing with DYK and ITN, and tired already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I looked, and am not sure what you mean, the notability discussion? How is that related to Estonia? - M stance on translating German titles - names of persons, books, operas, places ... - is rather clear, but not liked much. Just look at talk on Der fliegende Holländer (2013), Ein feste Burg (2018), Die Wolke (just now, the talk happened not at that arcticle, - it was moved on DYK day, and 300+ views went to Fall-Out), - now just waiting for Alte Liebe, old love. - Waste of time, almost every time, and hard to tell when not.  Happy Valentine, look for flowers on top! - While typing this and below, I received the call that a cousin died. Alte Liebe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean the section "Absent assessment classes in other WikiProject". Jmar67 (talk) 12:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I see now, and sorry, no. Assessment is one of the sectors here that leave me cold. For Passion, read Elke Heidenreich, passion for books and opera and life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Annelien Van Wauwe
Hello Gerda, all problems seem to be solved. What's next now? Gisel (talk) 00:34, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

You achieved a major step! Keep watching the nomination, and you will see if new problems arise (happens), and when it will be closed. Then it goes to a preparation area (prep), where a set for the Main page is assembled. You best watch that also then, because changes can come (happens). You can overlook the process best in WP:DYK/Q, just search for her name. There, you could still make cheanges. At some point, it will promoted to a queue, and there, you need an admin to make changes. You can see when it will appear in a table on top. You can watch, best before, WP:ERRORS, for possible problem with the hook (happens). Some are allso discussed on the geneal talk, WP:DYK (happens). - Alternatively, you can lean back and wait for some day a credit arriving on your talk ;) - Happy Valentine, look for flowers on top! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Bruckner discography
Dear Gerda,

As you have seen the discography website of the late Hans Roelofs is now transferred to the server of John Berky's discography website. I have thus to change all the links of the vocal and instrumental works (about 100 links in both En and Fr Wikipedia)... Those of the Masses, Te Deum and Psalms are already adapted. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:37, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, seen, thank you! take some Valentine's flowers, on top --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In the meantime I have done the same for the cantatas and the chamber works. I have now to do the same for the smaller religious works (about 40 links) and the Weltliche Chorwerke (about 30 links) and a few other pages...
 * Your Valentine's flowers (Eranthis hyemalis) are beautiful. Those in my garden, that began to flower in January, are now fading... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In my garden, I saw the first periwinkle blooming today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In my garden too, there are already periwinkles blooming, as well as a few daffodils. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have updated the links of the motets. Tomorrow I will do it for the remaining, mainly the Weltliche Chorwerke and the Lieder. Have a peaceful night! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:33, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Friday night = rehearsal night, and I could add one more to our music for March, by a composer to whom I had the pleasure and honour to talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you see that Harry in Alte Liebe is a hobby gardener, whose focus after retirement is his garden, while his wife loves books and would like to see him (and their grand-daughter) reading? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Translations of foreign-language sources
What freedom do we have in translation? If we would normally quote a source passage in German or French, is the translation also a quote? Someone remarked once that our own translations could be considered OR. Jmar67 (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * short answer: it's a crutch for those who would not understand anything without it. It was demanded for Reger's Requiem to be FA. I don't demand it when I review. Quotations: no, only when there is a translation somewhere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure you are in line with dogma here, Gerda. See These_are_not_original_research. I frequently translate quotations from other languages, especially in biographies when an individual's views appear to be pertinent. To be on the safe side, in some cases it might be useful to include the original foreign-language quotation together with an English translation. (cc )--Ipigott (talk) 11:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by dogma and where you see a contradiction. Example? I try to have the original also, at least in a footnote, unless it's similar enough, - just wrote Passione, a series title, and don't think we need then to add: (Passion). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Elke Heidenreich
--valereee (talk) 12:01, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Gratulieren. Coincidentally, a little earlier today I put Alte Liebe on my Amazon wish list. Have you read it? – Sca (talk) 15:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, look around - I read it out to my father --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Wunderbar!--Symposiarch (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Symposiarch, - you can listen to us on 8 March, both choirs, both interesting programs, one in the morning, the other in the evening. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Baumann
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

A hello
Just popping in to leave a greeting. First, thanks for all your excellent work on the wiki. I appreciate all the encouragement you've given me. --LilHelpa (talk) 00:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * LilHelpa, thank you, great helper! I remember how you made the very beginning easy for me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wolfgang Rehm
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nocturnes (Debussy)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Annelien Van Wauwe
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * done, thank you very much, Gerda! Gisel (talk) 14:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * you are welcome, fine pic, fine detail, in your first DYK! - What's next? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Bauer
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

... the birdie ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi Gerda, I would like to thank you for your fantastic work on Wikipedia as well as your Precious project. I think that the support and encouragement you give others produces vast amounts of positive energy which is then channeled into better content and improved work environment for all. Crum375 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * blushing - thank you, - it would be good to be true, matching the visions mentioned above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for John Bröcheler
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I can't help with the article. There's no rush with it, though; take your time. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. A funeral on Thursday - different person, younger than I am ... - With the other and friends and families, heard Jacques Loussier Trio and Dave Brubeck Quartet on one stage, - quite immortal memories. I decorated above for Handel's birthday, though, - celebrating the memories is the best we can do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Clara Schumann article
Dear Gerda, Thank you for trying to help teach me in editing this article and Wikipedia articles in general. But what I have learned is that it is just too time consuming to do the work I did and have it undone without most of it being read. I really should just stay off Wikipedia. I find that the facts are important, of course, but the secondary teaching that happens inadvertantly all over Wikipedia, the promulgation of poor grammar leading to misconstrued information, and teaching people poor grammar skills by what has been published, and the difficulty of correcting that and having those corrections accepted, are just not worth the time and effort that this back-and-forth takes. Even the 'rules' of Wikipedia hamper that process. As one example of many, to be forbidden to use Clara Schumann's first name for clarity and distinction from Robert, on the basis that it is meant for juveniles with yet-to-be-completed identities, and instead having to use her married surname because of the Wikipedia standard and rule is just demeaning to women who lost and continue to lose part of their identity in becoming the named property of their male spouse. This and the rest is a process to which I don't want to contribute. And it is overwhelming enough in its scope that I don't want to re-visit and re-do what I have done. Glad you accepted one or two of my recommendations. Thank you...

JohnLederman 15:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC) John Lederman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnlederman (talk • contribs)


 * Dear John, thank you for explaining. This is a community project, and it helps to accept certain standards. It has been discussed better not to call a woman by first name only, as a matter of respect, not being on a first-name relation of familiarity. Please consider that. Mozart would not be called Wolfgang in a biography throughout, to distinguish him from his father or sister. I recommended to not put too many different changes in one edit, - I simply had no time to change the single ingstances Clara Clara Clara manually. Do you know that you can return to your major edit and can copy from there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: please read just above, also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Dear Gerda,


 * May I use your first name then? Probably not. Odd that it's a standard here then, when regarded as disrespectful elsewhere here. Trying to use irony to make a point.


 * Dear Ms. Arendt,


 * Feel free to delete any of this. I have not really figured out how to have a dialogue here and may be doing so 'inappropriately' by Wikipedia standards.


 * Interesting value system. Reminds me of the French use of 'tu' and 'vous.' Not applicable in the culture from which I come. I find it far more respectful to use the one name that a woman's husband cannot legally steal from her and which identifies her clearly as the unique individual she is. There is even an alternative: to use both her names in every reference to her. Perhaps that is found to be awkward, but it is more respectful and less confusing, than losing some of her unique and individual contributions in the world to be confused or assumed to be collaborative or caused by those of her husband. In my opinion.


 * These kinds of implicit unstated value judgements you confirm, are pervasive in Wikipedia. These are the reasons, along with the ones I have stated: of inaccuracy, incompleteness, contradiction between related articles even, and the secondary affect of teaching poor grammar, these are the reasons, why it is explicitly forbidden by teachers, in my part of the world, in the province of Ontario in Canada, by the school system here, to even use Wikipedia as a source in students' research and writing. Unfortunate in some respects; but not in others.


 * JohnLederman 17:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnlederman (talk • contribs)


 * MOS:SURNAME: "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only" from Manual of Style. Please complain there. Grimes2 (talk) 18:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, John, if we disappoint you. Friday nights, I have choir rehearsal. I combined the two threads as belonging together, and please feel free to call me just Gerda. Tell me if you want to be Mr. Ledermann. This project will always be inaccurate, incomplete and contradicting, - if you can't live with that, better do something else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * (blushing) thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Brecher
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven
Good morning! Other than Bach, Beethoven is my favorite classical composer. The first time I heard 'Moonlight Sonata' was when I was eight years old when my Mom played it on our piano. It touched my heart deeply. God bless. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gwillhickers! Rather similar memories: at age 10, I began piano lessons, and one of the first records my mother bought contained that 14th sonata, performed by Friedrich Gulda. I played Für Elise rather soon, and it became my father's favourite, played on all his birthdays. I learned the first movement of the sonata in self-study, but wouldn't manage the third which impresses me the deepest. - I chenged the header, - it's his year! Memories of singing Die Himmel rühmen des Ewigen Ehre and Choral Fantasy date back to age 12. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Memories: DYK Notices
Hallo Gerda, you got 1645 DYK credits (notices). This is awesome, Gratulation! https://tools.wmflabs.org/betacommand-dev/reports/logs/dyk/Gerda_Arendt.html Grimes2 (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * This is combined nominations for self and others, while the table distinguishes the 2, and relies on people updating which is faulty, of course ;) - Some of them are real memories, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * BTW. I hope, that I don't produce edit conflicts with you with my edits. Please complain, if so. Grimes2 (talk) 11:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * No problem, so far I managed, - if I keep my edits focused on a short section, and you do the same, it works. I never advise - see above, Clara Schumann - to put many changes in one edit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

What is going on here?
Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't know. The talk rather recommended to trim this section, and refer to the Main article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hildegard Heichele
— Wug·a·po·des​ 03:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC) 00:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Verleih uns Frieden (Mendelssohn)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Did you know...
...that until the 1930s, the only records that were considered "collectible" were those containing operatic material? In particular, early European pressings. Anyway, just a note to let you know I appreciate you, and I recognize you do so much around here to make it better. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and no, I didn't know ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bergkirche, Wiesbaden
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that
I'm flattered to be honest. I have some other school/college articles I'm looking to improve too, it's just a matter of a lot going on in real life at the moment. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 00:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You are quite welcome to join for the prize from the cabal of the outcast ;) - I love your signature! Yesterday was a funeral day, - but yes, it was a blessed day, - look around for old love. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Alte Liebe
— Wug·a·po·des​ 01:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC) ALte Liebe - old love. In the book, a couple married during the German student movement. - In memory of Käthe, married in the 1970s. Part of my February flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * So I found this photo of the authors together. It's not very good, but is it better than none? Also for the Bernd Schroeder article? --GRuban (talk) 16:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes!! thank you! - We have a rather good one of her but I found it unfair to use for the joint venture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Infobox book
I am helping with Sixto-Clementine Vulgate. I do not want to italicize the IB title but cannot resolve the problem. There is a parameter to force it but it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? Otherwise I will ask on the template's talk page. The idea here is that the English title is an informal one and should not be italicized. Jmar67 (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Good idea to ask on the template talk. It should not have the title italic, when the article title is not, per the parameter. Never had that problem, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps RexxS would know? - We don't talk about the article title style - which works - but the title in the infobox itself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have a solution, but it will need consensus to change the main infobox template. --RexxS (talk) 02:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both! - see also WP:QAI/Infobox, - and once we are there can we also install a parameter Image_upright? ... which actually should be in every infobox with an image. - Rossini's birthday today, a rare thing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * RexxS and all: once in wishlist mood, for Precious anniversaries, I copy a template, and manually change the user name, the image size and the years. I like to do that, because it's moments of remembering that I/we are thankful for a user's contribs. However, for fewer typing errors and life after me - returning from a funeral ... - I could imagine to call a template with a year as the only parameter, which fetches the basepagename and adjusts the imagesize accordingly, 1 year 0.2, 2 - 0.25, 3 - 0,3 ... - so far we have eight, and need to find a way for 10 and beyond to not get much larger ;) - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I've made Template:User QAIbox/auto that you can use like this: . You give the number of years as a capitalised word. It scales up to ten years, but stays at   for anything beyond nine years. It should still accept the other parameters as well, but you shouldn't need them for Precious Anniversary. If you get a chance to test it (maybe just preview it on some pages) and it's okay, perhaps you can add a little documentation to Template:User QAIbox/auto/doc, indicating how you'd like to see it used? --RexxS (talk) 20:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That's lovely, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and used, and modified here to eight, because that's what it is for me know, thanks to a friend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Roberto Saccà
--valereee (talk) 00:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Dies war das erste - und netteste - was du jemals über mich gesagt hast, Gerda. Es wird sehr geschätzt. Danke.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Welcom to the cabal of the outcast, some of whom were not treated fairly by arbcom. After I joined the group, I understood the whole thing better when I read the uncomparable guide by a missed friend. ("... it has the force of a religious decree or legal mandate. Disregard the commandments herein at your peril", and I still see him smile writing that.) - You know my questionaires for candidates, and twice said you don't understand my question (which were always about fair treatment), which told me you were nor ready yet for the cabal ;) - Someone said "No foul, play on", and I hope you will listen and keep playing, the piano and with us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Eliodoro Bianchi
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wiener Hofmusikkapelle
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Misc music


I thought I'd stop by with this Locus iste recording, on the offchance you haven't come across it yet. There are at least three recordings of this arrangement on Commons! The second piece is not related, just very nicely done and a very different musical tradition.

This trombone choir page also has a number of interesting recordings at the bottom, if you like brass choirs; there are a few more recordings here. HLHJ (talk) 05:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll listen later, travelling ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Back, and more thanks, - I knew "not German" immediately for the Bruckner but would not have guessed Swedish ;) - Love the one from Sadegna especially! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Question
Did ever happen to you that you work a lot to expand an article, translate it from the German wiki, then notice that it is unsourced, find all the sources, correct the mistakes, rewrite the half of it, decide to put it on DYK, and when you are going to put the DYK template on its talk page you find out that it has been already pulblished on DYK (almost as a stub) 15 years ago? Well, it is what happened to me here today... :-((( Alex2006 (talk) 17:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Alex, It hasn't happened to me, but I can feel the frustration. DYK is for little more than stubs, so you shouldn't be too surprised. Also: wasn't it mentioned on the talk? - Now, forward: I'd find something related, write an almost-stub about that, and write a DYK for it, mentioning the other, - a palace, a person, best something you want to write about anyway. - I wrote many biographies only to mention a Bach cantata that I couldn't expand sufficiently. The other day, I wanted to write an article about Rachel Nicholls because she impressed me - only to find out that I had done it - in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea Gerda, I will do it! And maybe I will try to make of this via Giulia a good article...already written? So, I see that I am not the only one with the head among the clouds...mal comune mezzo gaudio! :-) Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 19:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Volle
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindness

 * thank you, blushing ;) - We have a saying which translates roughly to "a face like a lily of the valley, but a mind like a butcher's dog". --


 * You're most welcome, Gerda. Ah yes, inevitably! Isn't it always dangerous to offer flowers without knowing all the subtle idiomatic expressions from all of the world's languages?! In this case, it's only that lilies of the valley are my own favourite flower, about to bloom very soon; one of the best moments of the year for me. Thank you once again for all that you do for all of us; year in, year out.
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 11:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, understand, - we call them Maiglöckchen, Little May Bells, and they won't bloom before May. So far we have Schneeglöckchen, Little Snow Bells, but snow became rare. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Jessye Norman
Thank you for your work on this article! My apologies that we could not get it done in time for Black History Month, but the copyright issues definitely needed to be 100% cleaned up before I could pass the article. Anyways, now that the issues are all removed, I have passed this article. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

The article Jessye Norman you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jessye Norman for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Reaper Eternal -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Precious nominations
Thank you for awarding me the Precious prize. I would like to nominate two editors who have made major improvements to several of the biographies of women economists I started: Arbraxan and Wikiacc--EAWH (talk) 22:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Le Laudi
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 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Beati quorum via
I'm focussing on the chamber music I have details for at the moment. But I'll get around to the Church music when I can. Graham1973 (talk) 12:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will see what I can find today. Opera soon! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Le Laudi
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DYK for Georg von Dadelsen
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Asking for input at Featured article candidates/Bath School disaster/archive1
Bath School disaster is my first WP:FAC nom. I've been working on it for ages and don't want the FAC to possibly die on the vine (so far one editor has weighed in - with Support). Your thoughts/a review would be welcomed on its FAC page. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't like "die on the vine" but am also no friend of disasters ;) - will see. I'll put it up here, and next time you can do it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you are just firve days into the FAC and speak of dying, - patience please ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O salutaris hostia (Miškinis)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * listen, video at the bottom! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Response
No, I'm leaving. I don't want to deal with the folks on here anymore, and I don't think they wanna deal with me. Sorry. - Thatstinkyguy (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thatstinkyguy, you decide with whom you deal. How about me? Just avoid the word infobox, please, it hurts me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Good that you stay, tsg. Still, if you don't want to be hurt in what has been declared a war zone (I don't know why, but it's fact), avoid the word infobox altogether. Add them to articles you create, and leave those of others alone, unless you see a request for an infobox on the talk. There are many, did you know? Perhaps that would be a task you'd enjoy ;) - I add Jesu, meine Freude to my tasks to enjoy, my song of defiance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Burkhard Driest
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Old-fashioned Wikipedian values
Thanks, Gerda. (Schön. Erstaunlich, ich bin auch fast "zehn Jahre alt" wie du, eigentlich elf.) -- Silve ''' rije 22:46, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice to meet you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Günter Kehr
Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, on his centenary --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Max Laeuger
Hi Gerda! I'm expanding him from 2 lines. Not many sources in English - anything you can add, especially on the non-ceramic stuff, would be very welcome. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 18:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll look, but not immediately. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Johnbod, it took until now, sorry. I looked what's there, and see the NDB listed already, but with a fat error message that it is not called. If you don't want that to happen for people using the harv error script, either define the ref without the template, or call it . I'd drop the two dead links. Should I still look for sources in German? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that would be kind, but I've found a good deal since I messaged you. More refs on existing stuff would be good too. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 21:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I added some to the external links, - tell me what you'd accept for refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Malik
Hi! Do you have any clue or contat with Malik? I did not write so much on Wiki past years bu when I now start to be more active, I was searching for him. Did he quit? I write you since you wrote that you miss him. Everyone should miss such a great person as he is! Me specially since of our great conversations. Please give me any me info if you know anything. Best regards, camdan (dyskusja) 03:13, 19 mar 2020 (CET)
 * He left in anger, probably not treated well, - but I don't recall details. You can probably see it if you look up what he did last, quitting in June, talk page like this, with a block that was probably unfair. I miss him, and too many others, - click on the little fly further up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will check it and try to contact him. Thank you Gerda! Best regards, camdan (dyskusja) 13:33, 20 mar 2020 (CET)


 * I have a question, maybe you can help. I have issue on pl:wiki on subject of adding cathegories and eventually some problems that I dont know how to solve. Do you know someone that is good on cathegory rules? Maybe admin that can help? Best regards, Camdan (talk) 14:59, 20 Mar 2010 (UTC)


 * Sadly, one of my Polish friends died, and another, Poeticbent, also left in frustration. So, no. Perhaps ask project Poland? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Now I looked at the talk page again: perhaps Piotrus might help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm the one who blocked Malik Shabazz, for making a personal attack immediately after being warned against doing so. To the best of my recollection, I came under criticism by multiple editors for the block actually being too brief (72 hours). El_C 16:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said, I didn't follow. He left before, and returned. Hope dies last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I never had any problems with User talk:Malik Shabazz, on the contrary, I found his input constructive, but I have to say I am really not aware one way or another of the reasons for his block, and clearly they were not a random mistake. I'd hope he would come back. Leaving him a nice talk message with a ping could help? PS. But AFAIK he was not active on pl wiki, so I don't think he would be of that much help there. I am not even sure to what degree he spoke Polish. I am and I do, so feel free to ask me (with a ping). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * @El_C - I dont know what to say more that that you have balls to tell that you made one of the finest persons I know On Wiki to leave. Look, we all can have bad days or we all can disagree. We all can be emotional. But in the end, then the fog is gone - what did you win and what did we all loose. I think that You understand, otherwise You would not post it here. Also, I honor people like You that have guts to tell so I will be your friend on Wiki in the future - no matter if we agree or not in questions :) Then I will get Malik back here - please El, support that!!!, (since I now saw his e-mail/ Christ, how blind and stupid can I be to not see?) - then please make friend with him and support his comeback. Thank You Gerda Arendt for caring, big heart gor You! and toPiotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus, You are exceptional and fantastic person. I really dont know how You manage!!! :) As for Malik - we need him back! That will be my job! :) Im comming soon back with writing on en:wiki - on pl:wiki after 3 days i got blocked (after being gone for 3 years) so i go for war to block admin :) You know - its so stupid of me and to waste time on this "shit" but...its like beyond my control ;). I just cant believe that people wish to stop and not to build. Who are those guys? No worry, Piotrus - i dont have time to be blocked on en:wiki as well ;) All that I write here in subject Malik, should unite us and forward respect. We can have different point of view, we can fight - but in the end, it should be us together, meeting up some day and tell good stories about live in some place in Universe. I now start to move back to Poland so come there and enjoy place called "Ministary of Vodka and Hering"! - thats 2 bucks for each of fresh food and drink! And the best would be to meet up with all of You and Malik! :) Take good care! /Camdan (talk) 05:33, 21 Mar 2010 (UTC)

"unite us and forward respect" on Bach's birthday
Thank you, El C, Piotrus and Camdan, and let's do that, be united in forwarding respect, - inviting also SilkTork and Jerome Kohl, and whoever is interested, to avoid similar discussions all over the place ;)

Today is Bach's birthday, DYK? I love his music, and one piece particularly, Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227. It mentions joy (Freude, remember Beethoven?) in the first sentence, which is repeated at the very end, so joy gets the last word, in a motet possibly intended for a funeral. For me, it became a song of singing in defiance (you know, this wonderful line "... rage, world, ... I stand here and sing ..."). I sang it first when my grandfather was buried. I sang it here when I felt treated unfairly. (I could have left Wikipedia, but stubbornly stayed.) I sing it now to myself when all singing together was stopped.

On Bach's birthday in 2013, I suggested to have an infobox for the composer. I came from Robert Stoepel, where a discussion (still on the talk) had led to accepting one, and I meant it as a birthday gift for Bach. Not only was it not welcome, - it was seen as an action on battleground, and I was formally sentenced for that by our highest "court". This year's birthday gift for Bach is hopefully less controversial: expand the motet article. Please, all: write content instead of argueing, united in respect.

mentions singing in defiance of the "old dragon", death, and fear? (23 May 2014)
 * Did you know ... that the hymn "Jesu, meine Freude"Symbol support vote.svg (Jesus, my joy) by Johann Franck and Johann Crüger

Back to Malik: I left notices on his talk, the former time and now. Different people react differently to feeling treated unfairly. I am happy about every single one who returns to here, to build something together. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I must say that the hymn "Jesu, meine Freude" is just so amazing! I also like Bach, a lot! When my children where small in the kindergarten, they said to teacher that they always sing on the way to KG while walking with me. So teacher ask what they sing. They said Bach! Ok, said the teacher - and what more? Bethoven (mostly Ode to Joy)! Quit funny! :) As for the old "dragon" - not all of them are so bad - there are also defeated dragons that wear Christian Cross - like this one: http://ostoya.org/wiki/images/8/84/Scibora_smok_srg.jpg


 * I send e-mail to Malik and asked him to come back. I await his answer. Have a great day! :) Kind regards, Camdan (talk) 16:26, 21 Mar 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's all something to enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Sharon's talk page
Hi Gerda. I just saw your edit at Sharon's talk page, and noticed while I was there that something odd is going on with the archiving. The bot has most recently archived to page 64, but only 63 archive entries are listed on the talk page; and there are bot-spam posts from 2019 which haven't been archived. Something seems to be broken. Any idea what? --kingboyk (talk) 08:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no, I archive manually. Feel free to do it there, too, and bot spam could just be deleted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, I won't delete anything. I'll look into cleaning the page up by manually archiving (which is how I do it too). --kingboyk (talk) 08:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As you like it. On my talk, I delete bot clutter once resolved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Odile Pierre
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I expanded her article because she recently died, and then found that she was a friend's teacher. I expanded Willigis Jäger yesterday, and afterwards received emails from two women whose teacher he was. Small world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and two more notices from friends who knew him personally --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Precious
Thank you very much, Gerda, for the prize. It means much to me (some would say "Mastercard? Priceless!"). It shows that there are people who view, see and recognize the effort and contribution of other people. My contribution is not too big, but I do my best and I use all of my free time to contribute. Unfortunately, there are users who don't share your opinion, as you can see on my pages. During its long history, Croatia and its people fought (physically, politically and culturally) alomost all the time for its territory as well as for its identity in the world. This battle obviously isn't over yet. Thanks once more. -- Silve ''' rije 00:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Silverije, I agree, and thank you for coming over. Plan to have your next article to be shown on the Main page, in the DYK section, to have Croatia on the world map ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, that's very nice of you. -- Silve ''' rije 21:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Just came across this
In the event it interests you: Draft:Music in Protestant Churches during and after the Protestant Reformation. Another similar draft is User:Weberc/Lutheran music.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I welcomed the user, thinking, we should not issue the AfC decline template (which I hate anyway) to a red user page. DGG, what do you think. A new user deserves a personal explanation, - actually, a regular would also be served better if it wasn't applied. Could it at least be modified to less pompous, less patronizing? Or at least a personal one-liner added such as "We need this monster for statistics, no offense intended"? - The author of the other draft didn't edit since 2014. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I hadn't reviewed the articles much yesterday. Today I had a closer look. They are both fairly well developed. The recently declined article is excellent, though the tone is a bit too forceful, and the simplification of "Protestant Church" as opposed to the various Evangelical local churches makes it sound like a student writing. For me to reproduce this myself would be an decent amount of work. Yes! I don't want the writer to get discouraged like it seems may have happened to Dulcimerist. So I will go and encourage now. (I don't know much about DGG.)Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Fairly well developed, but not quite in Wikipedia style, so easy to reject, sadly. I might help, but have enough overdo projects already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand--I want to ask though: Did Luther really follow a normative principle, or is that an oversimplification?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I never heard those two principles until reading that article. Made a few comments on the draft talk, but that is it for today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I decided to acecept it--the discussion about itscontents would be better done in mainspace.  DGG ( talk ) 06:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, DGG. Do you hav any creative ideas about avoiding the ( horrible uninviting) template at least for newcomers and regulars. It must be all Chinese to someone really new. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Renée Gilly
Thanks for all the fixes. I did not set out to write an article on her. I was more interested in her mother, of which there is much less information. But I became really interested when I came into contact with the great-grandson of Dinh Gilly and his 2nd wife Edith Furmedge (I should do an article on her). Lots of fun! - kosboot (talk) 16:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Enjoy! I couldn't believe that she has no article in French ;) - Look above - all these connections, I write about a German friar just because I can't stand a poor stub for a person in the news, - and four friends tell me they knew him or even studied with him! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Francis Schonken -- Francis Schonken (talk) 06:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking, - It's music dear to my heart. I hope joy has the last word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

thanks!
gerda ur & the wikipoobahs that be that'd determined Precious (integer X)'s criterions r too kind --Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The venerable wisdom of crowds involves a crowd of poobahs (Hmmm. For which I'll have to come up with more apt collective term Starting my research...... Let's see. This is pooh-bah in Chinese: 公私兼职极多的人 Which directly translates into "public and private part-time jobs", accdg to Google translate. Which I guess might have captured in Chinese the gilbert & sullivan character pooh bah's transitory official statuses? To be continued --Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 17:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * collective terms: gang? plague? snobbery?
 * current coinage 'flash mob' would seem to figure in
 * . . . . --Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ok: Wikipedia's "grandpoohbahsnobbrocracy." that's it! - thank you for your patience--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * amused, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * its flashsnobb'rocracy. (better)--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee and a thank you
 Here's a digital cup of coffee for you! Thank you for believing in me and for your help! StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, makes me happy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome! And I've noticed that you're a fan of music. Here's one of my favorite singer's album. It comes from Rich Mullins. I hope you enjoy it and thanks again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbIYPYBiejM&list=PL_GEgJYfgrhdbRRAQDPBf1TsNMiwXfYNI StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Powerful stuff, and this fugue cleverly packaged ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a listen to it! I do like Bach's music. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 15:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I hope you are staying safe and isolated. It isn't classical, but my sister sent this to me and I thought it was awesome. People are so amazingly creative and can find so many ways to stay in touch. Made me smile in a time when there isn't a lot to smile about. SusunW (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * It made me smile although I can't see it in my country, as an error message informs me. I am known for singing in defiance, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry. It is a group of studio musicians performing as a choir via cell phone. I am sorry you cannot hear it, but I am glad it made you smile. Stay strong, stay away from others. SusunW (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

thank you
Thank you for the Precious QAI prize. Sapphire is my birth stone. So lovely. Jessamyn (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Jessamyn, thank you for coming over. It's a Yogo, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Views of hymns
You may find Template_talk:Lutheran_hymns interesting.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I do! Why don't you link the hymns? How about including "based on", auch as Psalm or Latin hymn? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * What article would it go in? As a collapsed table in its own section in Metrical Psalter? Could you weigh in at Template_talk:Lutheran_hymns; Francis is asking for template changes now that it is really too big.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Epiphyllumlover, I'd put in in user space for now. Collapsed is not for me. List of Lutheran hymns perhaps, somewhat like List of Christmas carols? Then trim the template to just original titles? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * For now I will wait and see what happens in the discussions instead of making a table.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jessye Norman
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel blessed, having heard her in person at Carnegie Hall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

RD?
For Krzysztof Penderecki? – Sca (talk) 13:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Too much work for me alone, - see User talk:RexxS, and. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gösta Neuwirth
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven
Hello. The phrase in the lede "his music is amongst the most performed of the classical repertoire and he is one of the most admired composers in the history of Western music." was put by Smerus in the last 24 hours, and still has not been accepted in the talk page. Please, do not put that phrase in the lede unless there is consensus to include it.James343e (talk) 17:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I looks like you have no idea what "consensus" means on Wikipedia, and I hope you won't learn the hard way. My advice: go edit some other articles, more than 6 million. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, it seems you do know what consensus is. Do you think the phrase "his music is amongst the most performed of the classical repertoire and he is one of the most admired composers in the history of Western music.", which was included in the article by Smerus in the last 8 hours, has been accepted by consensus when I disagree with its inclusion in the talk page? I think everyone's additions should be accepted by consensus, not only mines. We are still debating what phrase about his legacy to include in the lede, feel free to enjoy the talk page. But unless tehre is some consensus, we still cannot put any phrase about his legacy in the lede. James343e (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * James, my last word here: consensus means something different on Wikipedia than in normal language. Example. I don't talk about Beethoven here - on my talk - but at the article talk page (in case I find the time which I doubt), and you should do the same, or - better - just drop Beethoven. Reverting back and forth is considered edit-warring, which should be avoided, and don't expect an administrator to look at what exactly was reverted, - they will just conclude from the type of edit that edit-warring is going on. - I am busy with Credo (Penderecki) because its creator died, so please don't waste my time - and yours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Speller
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

You are invited to join this Wikipedia Movement!
If you want, I recommend joining this WP movement: Old-fashioned Wikipedian values. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * When do you think did I join? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Violin Sonata No. 2 (Stanford)
— Wug·a·po·des​ 01:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vami IV -- Vami IV (talk) 09:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Vami IV! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

GRB 080319B
He probably wished he had been alive to see Kepler's Supernova... if only he could have witnessed GRB 080319B.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227
The article Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Francis Schonken -- Francis Schonken (talk) 11:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Violin Sonata No. 2 (Stanford)
— Wug·a·po·des​ 01:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vami IV -- Vami IV (talk) 09:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Vami IV! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

GRB 080319B
He probably wished he had been alive to see Kepler's Supernova... if only he could have witnessed GRB 080319B.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Request
Planning on taking the Honan Chapel article to PR in 14 days, and would be very appreciative if you could take a look, given how helpful you have been in the past. Have a strong connection to the building; lived (in a hovel) for two years literally 2 minutes walk from it as a student, and for the last 20 years the Gobnait window works for me in about a million ways. My best friend was married there in 2005. Anyway, if you get a chance. Ceoil (talk) 21:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Ceoil, for an irresistible invitation. Once someone said to me "whatever works for you" and how true that is. The Opera house pictured was 2 minutes away from where I lived as a student, and I visited frequently. Back then, we sang St. Matthew Passion one year, and St. John Passion the other. This year, It would have been Matthew again, see above. What works for me is the song of defiance, also see above, which I sang even before, in Bach's incredible version. GA nom failed. Lyrics so suitable to these times: "weg mit allen Schätzen" - away with all treasures - and he composes weg, weg, weg, weg ... - but "ich steh hier und singe" - here I stand and sing. (I used it in defiance of arbcom already, as you probably know, and I was recently reminded.) - What keeps me busy is making articles decent of people who recently died - many. I haven't looked today yet. Then, I'll turn to that wonderful image, please be patient. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I looked now - only looked, and it's another one with many pictures which make placement tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Never heard of "river of life" as Christian theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Me neither, I'm still trying to untangle that one. Re images, have been fussing over them a lot, but have a few new sources to add, so that might help improve the text/images ratio. Also, some of the images are quite poor quality, when the travel restriction is all over, will pop over there and try and get better ones, also, may be a few of the altar and tabernacle, and plan on asking them to let me photograph some of the metalwork, crosses, vestments which are not usually on display. Anyway, great to have your input!


 * By coincidence, back when we were living next door, our big discover that first year, 1992, was the St. Matthew Passion, which for two of us, became the gateway into a classical music; until then it had all only been indie and punk! Ceoil  (talk) 20:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! By now, I also read the text, made minor changes, love it. Small things could be discussed in the PR. I think the St Matthew leaves no one with a heart cold. In a 1998 performance, the program notes (not by me then) said we are in all the characters, Peter, Judas, Pilate, the crowd ... - Today, I received a video from the church where would sung (link further up, with one of pics), - the organist is the conductor, the minister his wife. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh my, what a sumptuous and deeply coloured interior! As mentioned to you a number of times before, "mache dich mein herze rein" ps contains eye-candy! is something that has staid with and moved me over all these years. It conveys such complex emotions; both melancholy and joy as if finding hope after long dispare. Look forward to your feedback on the chapel. Ceoil  (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * said well - I just wrote about Jo Vincent, a soprano in that long Netherlands tradition, Ilona Durigo before, the alto in their first recording, and the choir. Bedtime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, lovely! - today is time for the Morning Star, a little hymn on the Main page, and Bach's cantata No. 1, written (also) for Palm Sunday, up for PR. I moved the pic right, in the interest of indenting = clarity ;) - I left a translation question for all under the DYK notice below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Diether de la Motte
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Morgenstern der finstern Nacht
— Maile (talk) 00:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Freely translated: "Morning Star, my soul’s true light, tarry not, dispel my night." - Anybody: what would be an euivalent to "finstere Nacht"? "Dark night" is not dark enough ;) - Don't miss "Saintly Soul-Pleasure ...", translated by Moonraker. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , with a little poetic license you could try “darkest night”, if it fits the metre. It might annoy the people who think translation should be strictly word for word. Moonraker (talk) 22:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Moonraker, and with more license, it could be "Morningstar in darkest night", but I didnt't even think of the metre, just the surprise that English has nothing darker than dark. What I like in the English version - see article - is "my night", hinting at that this is not some exterior natural condition. - For the next translation question, see a little below, look for Beati. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure,, dark does not need to be about the sky, you might like to see Dark Lady. English is rich in words for colours, but I think the thing here is that dark cannot mean black, perhaps because it starts from the sky, which is never black. So it means lighter than black, and darker than dark means even lighter than lighter than black, which highlights why it’s a hard idea to nail down. I think darkest is the best you will get, it seems to mean lighter than black but only just. Moonraker (talk) 02:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, taken.

Your GA nomination of Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II
The article Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vami IV -- Vami IV (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Three Latin Motets
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * One of them is Beati quorum via integra est. - Difficult to translate, the tricky word being "integra" which is not easy in both English and German, - looking for an adjective related to integrity, for the way, which is the way of living, not just walking. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We sang it last on 8 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I found this about it: “I am always delighted when I hear sung the words from a psalm, “Beati quorum via integra est” – blessed are they whose way is “whole”. “Integra” is full of resonances: uncorrupt, integrated, wholesome, complete. Yet perhaps our splendour, if humanity has any, ultimately lies in the split in our nature, and how we handle it...“ [Chris Clarke, “Wholeness”, in Knowing, Doing, and Being: New Foundations for Consciousness Studies (2015), p. 157]. His Latin may be better than his wisdom, but if I were you I should use his translation. Moonraker (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, taken. Now I'd also be interested in the meaning in Hebrew. Yoninah? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The Hebrew word, תְמִֽימֵי־דָ֑רֶךְ, can be literally read as "pure in the way." El_C 23:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds great, but would need some explanation for me. I like a positive word like "pure", compared to "blameless", "undefiled", and also to the frequent "perfect", because nobody is ... - The recordings sounds pure ;) - Yoninah, I think some of this should go to Psalm 119, even if we can't quote the whole long thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The Hebrew word תְמִֽימֵי means as says "wholesome", also "straightforward", "sincere". "Purehearted" would work. Yoninah (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I had better add that the word “via” has most of the meanings of “way”, and in this psalm it plainly doesn’t mean something you stand on! So the word way might as well be kept. It’s a matter of which other word to use for the metaphor, and wholesome may be better than whole. Moonraker (talk) 19:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 31
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jo Vincent
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Good Friday today, and the anniversary of death of Werner Bardenhewer, a friend. Look around, summary: Passion in Paintings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

On infoboxes
Gerda, are you not still limited to two comments per infobox discussion? ((I'm thinking of here). I should not like to see you getting into any trouble. Best--Smerus (talk) 12:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That provision has now expired (although I hope I don't need to remind you all that arguing about infoboxes is never going to end well for anyone). &#8209; Iridescent 12:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That provision has now expired (although I hope I don't need to remind you all that arguing about infoboxes is never going to end well for anyone). &#8209; Iridescent 12:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's dream

 * ... has expired in 2015 - I wonder when the new times begin when those boxes are treated nothing special, like tables and images, - it could be now, imagine ;) ... imagine how much editors' time could go to something more useful than debate if something meant to help readers (and could be opted out if not wanted) is permitted to help or not. - ps, and see my New year's intentions on top: I normally try to stick to 2 comments voluntarily, in ANY discussion, because it's more polite to other participants (and - selfish - it limits my waste of time). - Today's topic: Psalm 31, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I think you are wise - I will try in future to limit myself to two comments as well. Hope you are keeping well - I am finding lockdown very tedious. Best--Smerus (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I answered below. and gave it a Passion header. For the infoboxes, I began hoping in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

St John Passion 2020, in defiance

 * Thank you ;) - Normally, we would have sung St Matthew Passion, instead, I sang along in the St John Passion from Bach's burial place in the Thomaskirche, and sometimes cried. Exceptional tenor who took ALL roles, with keyboard (switching harpsichord and organ) and percussion. They left out some arias. Great moments! (... such as "kreuzige" hissed to drums, and "es ist vollbracht" first as Jesus, then an octave lower than in the alto aria, and at its end high, as if uplifted ...) - link Carus bachfest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:09, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * A header for it: Passion trotz(t) Pandemie, which is hard to translate. Suggestions welcome. Trotz (defiance) is a key word in Jesu, meine Freude (which I quoted after the arb case, to connect to the beginning). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Good Friday service here
You might like the "Meditation" video here. This is my church. Jmar67 (talk) 21:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jmar67, please help me find it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Willigis Jäger
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for I Will Mention the Loving-kindnesses
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Happy Easter

 * Thank you, Martin! I just added a video which is in German, but with images and music that should speak to every heart! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Happy Easter
Danke, Gerda. Frohe Ostern wünsche ich dir auch. I celebrated by planting morning glories by my front-porch trellis. – Sca (talk) 22:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * That's lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Paul Mägi
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

chorale
Hey, Gerda, I was thinking yesterday (not for the first time, but this time while Bocelli was singing) how difficult this must be for people whose lives revolve around communal efforts usually done in very close proximity. I hope you're doing well. --valereee (talk) 09:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, valereee, we stopped it all, weeks ago. Singing by myself, in defiance ("Trotz ... der Furcht" = defiance ... to fear), as already in 2013, and always ;) - I was deeply impressed by the Passion from Leipzig, mostly live, and possibly the only one in 2020, - and they also used the "trotz"-image (look for links under St John Passion, a bit up). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Lohengrin
Hello Gerda, I'm not actually sure how Talk pages work so I'm replying here just to make sure. Apologies if you get this message twice. Thank you for your message but I'm not sure if you've confused the fully referenced material I added to the Composition section of the Lohengrin article with the waffle that I subsequently moved into a new Musical Style section. I had left a message on the article's talk page explaining what I'd done. The unreferenced material seems to have been around for over two years without anyone doing anything about it; do you think I should have just removed it? There is, of course, a section on the opera's musical style still to be written. Best, --Flourbomb (talk) 10:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Flourbomb, thank you for coming over, and I'm afraid I looked superficially, and don't have time right now to look deeper. Unreferenced for a long time (wherever): you can demand a reference - cn - and if nothing happens, remove it. I'm looking at a composer who recently died, Dmitri Smirnov (composer), so needs citations more urgently than Lohengrin ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda Arendt, I've added that template! Thanks again for the advice. I don't Smirnov, but will have a listen. In an AN Wilson novel one of the characters observes that Wagnerians have the bad habit of only being interested in Wagner: I think that might well be true. All the best, --Flourbomb (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I love Wagner's music (Tristan more than Meistersinger) but am no Wagnerian ;) - I didn't know Smirnov until a friend nominated him for the recent deaths, for which he came too late, + was under-referenced). I am working on the refs, + plan to write on one of his compositions, many with interesting titles. I wrote Credo in memory of Penderecki, DYK? Our projects Recent deaths are here. - First of all: going outside now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Henny Wolff
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Thou knowest, Lord, the secrets of our hearts (Purcell)
--valereee (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Finally. We sang it on 8 March, and put the secrets of our hearts into it, "spare us, Lord!" - Compare the hook to the original (... that Henry Purcell (pictured) composed basically two settings of Thou knowest, Lord, the secrets of our hearts, a complex one early, and a simple one for the burial of Queen Mary?) and tell me how the result of long discussions is better. (I think that "the second of Henry Purcell's two settings" not only puts a wrong focus on the numbers, but also suggests that he wrote exactly two settings which you will find wrong when you arrive at the article, reading that on the first one, he worked again and again, and all variants are settings.) This is an example for what I mean by suggesting that - on a voluntary basis - some new articles might be better represented by just mentioning their title. (Those who know it's a burial sentence from the Common Book of Prayer, or know Purcell, may click, and will others even care? And if they care and learn, even better ;) ) - Thou knowest, Lord, the secrets of our hearts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd have passed the original hook on review, though I'd have asked whether we could remove 'basically.' I get your point; getting through DYK can be a hassle for your kinds of articles. I know you often end up with long discussions about hooks. I think a main page section for new GAs is a good idea. I'm not sure how we would handle new articles, though. There are too many of them. The DYK process being a hassle is probably a feature, not a bug: it suppresses the absolute numbers. You've got, what, 20 DYKs already run this year and I'm sure multiple others in the pipeline? Frankly, DYK can't take too many like you! :D —valereee (talk) 10:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Two years ago, I wrote a DYK article per day, and it worked. (the admins active then were driven away, or even died, remembering Allen3 with thanks) If you look at my reviews, I often ask if we can have a better hook. What I don't like is constantly being asked if I could give up saying what I find worth mentioning about a person, for something more appealing to a crowd, and my answer often is no. In the news is MUCH easier: you supply decent references, the name is mentioned, and thousands of readers profit. DYK is often about 500 vs. perhaps 800, discussion no end, and for what? I think to just list article names for qualified articles would free soooo much time for better things, voluntarily of course, - those who want a hook should still be able to get one. I'm not one of them. What I'm interested in is reaching the 500, vs. perhaps 10 without DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It would need to be a separate section, maybe What's New or something, with rules similar to RD. I'd support that. It would help DYK a lot, for one thing. —valereee (talk) 12:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I just was more precise on WP:DYK, perhaps let the discussion there. I pinged you here mostly to make you understand that the secrets of our hearts have a lot to do with the secrets of my heart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * hahaha I'd just suggested a related idea :) —valereee (talk) 12:55, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Did you know ... that Henry Purcell composed basically two settings of Thou knowest, Lord, the secrets of our hearts, a complex one early, and a simple one for the burial of Queen Mary?

(in memory of B.W.)

Precious

 * Thank you, Bibliomaniac15, blushing to a colour like the strawberries below, and mostly: welcome back!! - You may have noticed (look for the Yogo above) that I try to prepare the award for a time after me, and you are most welcome - as some others do already, and everybody is invited to - to pass the award. We sometimes have two one day, and miss days, - doesn't matter ;) - It's good for me to do first thing in the morning: to look around for the many reasons to be thankful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Monteverdi
Hi!

I noticed some inconsistencies with Monteverdi on Wikipedia that I thought you might be able to help me address since you had nominated him for a TFA. The Monteverdi article itself is of course very well written, what I was confused by is the Venetian School article. Is Monteverdi considered a member of that school?

His name is in the (very incomplete) Template:Venetian School (music) but is not on the Venetian School page (although there seems to be a source about him in the references) and he is not categorized in The Venetian School Category either. Additionally it doesn't say anywhere in the lead (or the article itself I think) for him that he was part of the school. To the best of my knowledge I thought Monteverdi was one of the last members of this school so should the school mention him/he be mentioned in these places? I may be incorrect about this. Thanks, Aza24 (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I have no idea, sorry. I didn't write the Monteverdi article, but nominated it in admiration of BrianBoulton. I wrote Selva morale e spirituale, a collection from his late period. My guess: he began composing in the tradition of the Venetian School (prima pratica), but is known for innovation beyond it. Perhaps Jerome could help who deals with the Darmstadt School centuries later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow! Now there is a recommendation! I write about the Darmstadt School and somehow I am supposed to know how to deal with this question. Well, as it happens, I do have an opinion (for what that is worth). The Venetian School mainly deals with the composers involved with the polychoral style evolved at St. Mark's at the end of the sixteenth century and continuing into the early seventeenth century. Monteverdi of course came to Venice rather late in this period, so he might be regarded as marginally associated with it but, on the whole, I would place him outside of this group of composers. Of course, on Wikipedia, what matters most is a reliable source. If some respectable authority places Monteverdi in this company, then who am I to object?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! - Ever since you - as the third Wikipedian speaking to me, according to my failing memory - clarified that Stockhausen did not compose for Siegfried Palm (my second article), although a good-looking source said so, I believe that you know everything a lot about music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Interesting. While as he is a transitional figure and almost parallels the difficulty of placing Beethoven in the First Viennese School. (Although scholarly opinion has become more confident on that) It seems to be kind of a toss up, but I'll do some more digging. I have a feeling it'll end up making sense to group him with the others of the Venetian School, with the caveat of being one of the last. Aza24 (talk) 07:20, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

 * Thank you for coming over, and how are you? - Look around. I wrote the article (DYK above) in memory of a dear friend who died in March, singing was cancelled which was supposed to be the highlight of the year, I take care of articles about people who just died, but I keep singing in defiance, - has a tradition. I was told chin up in 2013, did you know? (Thank you, Eric.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am well, Gerda, it was just a busy period of my life these past weeks. Two more extra busy days, still. You're doing good work. Such is life, and these are interesting times.  starship .paint  (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Kienzle
Sorry to hear about Kienzle. Remember him from his SDR days and enjoyed watching Frontal. Jmar67 (talk) 01:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Want to translate Frontal, perhaps, - anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed that, but by looking at the Ger. article I figured out that was the name of the program on ZDF, even though it doesn't quite fit for an English speaker. How about this: Frontal ("Up Front") – does that sorta make sense? – Sca (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure. Has to with confrontation, - hard to translate puns, always. Frontalzusammenstoß = Head-on collision. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe it could be rendered idiomatically as "At Odds" – ?? – Sca (talk) 00:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, - no allusion to the military front. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * So, how about "Talking Heads" then? Ha. – Sca (talk) 12:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Too harmless ;) - Best would really be to translate at least a bit of the German article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not worth the candle, meiner Meinung. – Sca (talk) 15:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Harv error script
Citation style was changed to now use |ref=harv as default. If you use the Ucucha script to detect harv errors, you'll get massive error messages. It helps to use User:Svick/HarvErrors.js instead (in /common.js) to avoid them. I haven't seen if it produces the wanted error messages. A user has threatened with revert anybody who changes the default to |harv=none which avoids the messages by the Ucucha script. Michael Bednarek, Jerome Kohl. As if the world had no other problems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Blessings!
I am not sure if I am actually back or not, but I must say that arbitration has gone a long way toward restoring my faith in Wikipedia. It was a difficult experience, and it was good for me to see the many others who shared it--to see they were pretty much all women--to know that wasn't just me being crazy paranoid--that it wasn't just me. Gerda, thank you for your support and understanding. There aren't enough words to explain how much that has meant to me. But it's done now, and I can put it all behind me. I haven't gotten up the nerve to ask for the restoration of my user page yet, but I'm chewing over the possibility, since he can ask to come back again in a year. His record on targeting people is worrisome. But that's for another day. I have a year! So I am working on getting the flags removed from one article. I will try to take it slow and see how it goes. So far so good. Thank you again. May all the blessings of life fall into your life and the lives of those you love! I wish you all possible good things! You're a wonderful person. I'm grateful to be able to call you friend. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, Jen, friend! You have a great way with words, which was sorely missed during your absence. Even more: your great personality, remembering the line "What do you mean, I can´t rewrite the entire article!?". Yes, you can, and vigilance increased, I believe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you dear one. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * May I trouble you for some technical assistance? I have a reference I want to be able to reuse so I don't want to include the page numbers inside the reference because I want to be able to change them.  There was a way to do that--I remember it existed!  To put the page numbers at the end outside the rest of the reference--do you have any idea what I'm talking about?!? Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Nevermind! I found it!  It's double brackets with rp! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That's one way. The other is using harv referencing and giving the page in the call, with a link to the exact page, - see Clara Schumann or Vespro della Beata Vergine if interested. I find it helpful for a reader when different corners of a book are used as referencing, to be guided to some page without search or "turning pages". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ulrich Stranz
—valereee (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ulrich Kienzle
El_C 21:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Renée Gilly
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Freimut Duve
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Philip Sheffield
Hi Gerda - opera singer prodded for deletion. Thoughts? Johnbod (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, interesting read, and if he really sang at the ROH and La Scala, and not just the third servant, notable. I'll look for sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #1 Boosey --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #2 Vlanderen (in Dutch) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #3 hint at premiere by Opera North --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #4 BBC --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #5 ROH recording with Pappano minor role, but still enough, - will take care of him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * #6 Naxos. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ping Creffett - I don't know how to process such a thing - best to be forgotten --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't understand what you're asking me. If you all believe Sheffield is notable, I won't take it to AfD. creffett (talk) 12:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Creffett, you shouldn't go by what I believe but by the sources. I am not familiar with deletion processes, so don't know what should happen to the information on the talk that was suggested to be deleted. I'd silently remove it, but ... see before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Minich
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ... begun by LouisAlain, most of the expansion work done by Charles01, - I love collaboration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Le Concert Spirituel
Vanamonde (Talk) 12:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

listen if you think uplifting music would be good for you - Concert spirituel translates to Geistliches Konzert, or spiritual concert - remembering Erhard Egidi who conducted much uplifting music, but said after a service with choral music, asked what he liked best: the unison singing of Allein Gott in der Höh sei Ehr. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Srećko Albini
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Heinz Imdahl
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Norbert Blüm

 * When you put a good amount of work into an article, like this, please go ahead an add yourself to the updater part of the ITN update template, so it's easier to give you this recognition! I typically don't dive into the page history for articles I post; I just look at the listed updaters. Best,  Spencer T• C 20:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Spencer, you are quite generous, - in this case, I feel I just did cosmetics, such as using a ref more, and link to all 3 pages of it. Grimes2 did the work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Francis Rapp
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Elisabeth Lindermeier
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Haroun and the Sea of Stories (opera)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Darmstädter Ferienkurse
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Naomi Munakata
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

BLP Baltic States
Per Template:Infobox person sovereign state only. Soviet Union never had sovereignty over Baltic States only Eastern Block countries recognised them as part of the Soviet Union. That is why on people porn in Baltic States between 1940-1991 we don't use Soviet Union. Same as people born in Paris 1940 are marked as born in France, not in Third Reich Christian Boltanski, Catherine Deneuve, etc. Please see Occupation of the Baltic states, State continuity of the Baltic states, Welles Declaration Klõps (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * While you typed here, I did the same on your talk, including a compromise suggestion. Let's please continue there. You have no idea how many people get marked as being, obviously. (... not by me, of course, nor did I add anything to Tallinn). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week
Hello there. This is an invitation to join the 50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week. £250 (c. $310) up for grabs in May, June and July with £20 worth of prizes to give away every week for most articles destubbed. Each week there is a different region of focus, though half the prize will still be rewarded for articles on any subject. Sign up if you want to contribute at least one of the weeks or support the idea! † Encyclopædius  19:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice offer, but not for me right now, good luck. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Credo (Penderecki)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC) ... that Krzysztof Penderecki inserted at the end of his Credo, from Psalm 118, "Haec dies, quam fecit Dominus ..." (This is the day, which the Lord has made: Let us rejoice and be glad in it.)?
 * Only just noticed you had done this. Impressed, its a fantastic piece of work. Ceoil  (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! As said just below, my way to honour a great composer! - I have the Chapel on my radar, don't give up hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. That was the intention, to honour the composer, - I feel understood. When I can't improve a composer to where I want him I write about a composition. In this case, I didn't know when I started how close that would get me to the topics of death and life, so prominent for Easter. He quoted from Psalm 130 and Psalm 118, creating something new anchored in tradition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Violin Sonata No. 1 (Stanford)
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

post-resurrection
Just yesterday, I linked to the page and was surprised about "post-Resurrection", so I agree with the move. But. I wanted to clean up "my articles", and couldn't find them, because - as the page was linked from several navboxes and other templates - there were simply too many. I changed six such templates, but it looks as if there are more, and some have even different redirects. Can you please help cleaning up? (... and next time do it first thing?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't generally change inbound links after moving an article, unless they could be pointing to the wrong topic. Most problems like double redirects and stale "See also" links are more efficiently fixed by bot. In the case of a spelling error, the misspellings in the other articles are pre-existing typos; it would be weird if fixing one typo created an obligation to fix other similar typos. Nonetheless, in the spirit of systematically squashing errors, I've re-pointed inbound links so no articles nor templates now link to Post-Resurrection appearances of Jesus, if that's what you were asking me to do. -- Beland (talk) 06:00, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Beland, I wonder why you brought this here, while it was just for you. Anyway: I think differently. When a page is moved to a better title, that better title should be used. We may disagree, no problem. What needs to be done, though, is changing links in templates, because templates won't recognize a redirect, and they would still list all others articles in them as still connected to the former title, which I find worse because misleading. Changing templates that I might have missed, and changing templates right away next time was all I asked you to do. Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean about templates showing a link instead of bolding. -- Beland (talk) 18:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletions
When deleting other editors, where there is a difference of opinion, please seek consensus on the article talk page, rather than just jumping back in and re reverting. It is the proper thing to do, nicer, and less likely to drive other editors away than heavy handed edit warring. --2604:2000:E010:1100:11A9:DC5E:CAB5:2E2C (talk) 10:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You must be new. Welcome! For others: we talk about Dmitri Smirnov, a composer who was also a Wikipedia user, and recently died of COVID-19, and is sadly missed in both capacities (look above for his name). 26 (or how should I name you?) added the line about his death which was in the body of the article to the lead, which I reverted, saying that it's no lead material. So, I deleted nothing, it was there, just not repeated in the lead. I welcomed you, 26, explaining that. Perhaps while I was typing, 26 reverted me. So I reverted again, per WP:BRD, because Wikipedia is a project where the status quo is retained until a consensus is found for a change. So, 26, you are the one who reverted more than necessary - but as said before - possibly without knowing these things. Now that you know, you have basically three options:
 * You can let it rest, because not even Mozart and Shakespeare have a line about their death in the lead, - it's really the norm for Wikipedia biographies NOT to have that.
 * You can request the repetition of the line on Smirnov's talk, and try to find a majority of users who support that.
 * You can request to change the general guideline.
 * I am a member of project editor retention, and the comment about me driving editors away (while I really tried to explain in detail on your talk page) seems not proper and not nice, - it hurts. Try again? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not true at all. When you delete material from the lede - you delete. When you delete material from the infobox, you delete. They always include material that is also elsewhere. But you can't go around deleting ledes and infoboxes and then saying untruthfully as you did above "So, I deleted nothing." That is untrue.
 * Also, you were the one who had made a deletion, and therefore you were the one disturbing the status quo. I reverted and asked you on the talk page to not re delete without gaining consensus. You did not respond. You did not gain consensus on the talk page. You just went ahead and deleted again.
 * As you know - because you quoted the guideine to me on the talk page - the guideline does not mandate deletion, as you asserted. And this death is not a normal death. It is from teh pandemic. As such this is just the sort of circumstance the MOS that you quoted to me leaves room for inclusion of the cause of death in the lede.
 * Which you deleted. Twice. Without discussion on the talk page. And without politely heeding or responding to my note on the talk page. Just heavy handedly. I'm just about ready to quit trying to edit. This is not right. 2604:2000:E010:1100:11A9:DC5E:CAB5:2E2C (talk) 12:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We are done here. Complaining and misunderstanding was none of the options above. Stick to the article talk page please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * IP, please observe WP:ONUS, especially the part that reads: the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is upon those seeking to include disputed content. El_C 13:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know ... that Krzysztof Penderecki inserted at the end of his Credo, from Psalm 118, "Haec dies, quam fecit Dominus ..." (This is the day, which the Lord has made: Let us rejoice and be glad in it.)? In memory of H.-K. v. K. whose obituary (of today) says "tell stories about me and dare to laugh". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anatoliy Mokrenko
—valereee (talk) 12:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

History of Christian thought on tolerance and persecution
Okay, here it is:. When and if you have time, and if you want to, I would love for you to take a look at it and be as critical as you are able. You always do so in a reasonable manner and I appreciate that. I had a copyright scare and believe I have now fixed all of that--my method was apparently flawed so I learned something from the experience--but I didn't like it!! :-) But if you want to check--I don't know how--that might be a good idea! I don't intentionally copy but I would transfer things to my sandbox and work on them there and apparently fail to recognize that I hadn't changed everything.  So now I feel stupid but at least I'm not doing that anymore!!  Such a puppy, I know.  Anyway, don't feel obligated just because I asked, but I do genuinely value your contributions whenever you make them.

I also wanted to ask if I might steal your rules thing you posted here--and how to include crediting you--because they're really good and I love them and want to see them every time I get on WP.Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:06, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for coming, and I love your user page back! Before I'll look, I should look at the wonderful request further up (look for stained-glass windows), + 10 or more overdue DYK reviews, + work on neglected articles (GA and FA plans), + go outside enough, - so it may take a while. You don't "steal"! Everything I write here comes with that "free to be used" license! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries mate. Thank you for the license to steal! :-)Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Thank you, blushing. I took the liberty of enlarging the pic, because while I recognized it, it may have been too small for others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I did think that the image was a bit small, but it was almost 1am when I posted it and I was too tired to think of doing that! In my opinion, the Mass in B Minor is one of the most wonderful pieces of music in the world (if you can call that huge work a "piece of music"!). I have been privileged to perform it twice with my choir, and I think our choir director is considering it for the spring of 2022 again. I am very much an amateur chorist, but am fortunate to be part of a rather good choir. I hope we'll get back to rehearsing and performing again in August, but who knows... --bonadea contributions talk 13:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest Berry Webber
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I refuse credit for that article. The author and his friends didn't like my suggestions (one said "bloody boring"), and I hate mentioning only something negative about a creative mind, as this hook - not by me - does. I will not count it, and best forget. Can I officially be disconnected from this article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Imogen Stuart
Would you mind infoboxing this when you get a chance. In have no issues, this is obv an article where it would suit, but I forget how to do it. Ceoil (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ceoil, thank you for coming over, and this time with an easy task ;) - You could have done what I now did: copy from a similar article. I'm lazy so took one with the same given name, Imogen Holst. I made some fixes to Stuart once I was there, such as ill, and linking Bauhaus, and wood to the carving. Is there anything similar for steel and stone? ... because if not better no link ;) - You will have to make the external links within the prose to references, - I had no time for that. Source for birth place and birth name? - It was nice to meet the lady! - Now I have a job for you and anybody watching. I met a new editor who added infoboxes, including some for composers. They carry 2002 in the user name, so I guess that's their birth year. I tried to explain the great dismal swamp around them like this:
 * Don't put more than one thing in one edit. We are lazy, and will revert all for one thing we dislike.
 * The topic of infoboxes has been discussed controversially, especially for composers of classical music. Instead of long explanations, just read Talk:Mozart. This was written in 2020. Hard to believe but that's the world we are in. There's also Beethoven, a good model which found community consensus, but I advise caution in the field of classical composers, period.
 * If you want to add infoboxes, there's plenty of room: Category:Wikipedia infobox backlog.
 * Keep in mind the thoughts by one of our greatest editors, Brianboulton: Wikipedia Signpost/2013-07-10/Dispatches. His articles about classical composers often come with an infobox, see Percy Grainger. In a nutshell: keep them concise.
 * That's what I wrote. Can it be improved? Because the user is now indeffed, - something was obviously not communicated well (enough). Brian and his Monteverdi work (see below): that's where Wikipedia shines the brightest! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Smerus, could you please check the above, written a while ago? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, I don't comment on infoboxes save in articles where they are proposed, when as you know I oppose them, on principle.--Smerus (talk) 08:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Smerus, another misunderstanding, it sems: it is not about infoboxes, but 4 points of warning for someone who never heard that some users get emotional over them. Would you think these four points are comprehensible? ... because I sometimes doubt that I can express myself. Brianboulton should be a model for us all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand, but I do not wish to involve myself in any discussion about the principles of infoboxes. I will only respond (if at all) where there is discussion about one in a page in which I am interested.--Smerus (talk) 09:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand, - I hope. I am in the process of expanding Melaten where friends are buried, - that's where I get emotional, not over little boxes which are intended to help readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Monteverdi's operas Featured topic?
Gerda,

I was looking at the work (by Brian Boulton) done on Monteverdi and his Operas and it occured to me that "Monteverdi's Operas" could probably be a featured topic. Any thoughts on this?

Aza24 (talk) 06:11, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Aza24, I am almost sure they could be because he even made the lost ones a featured article, see one of my nicest memories on this site. As all I know about featured topics is that they exist, feel free to find out and proceed and ping me when needed. The topics are mentioned when one of the articles appears on the Main page, and yes, good idea to rerun them from time to time. We'll begin with the Master in a few days, but he would probably not be part of the topic. If he would we should proceed fast. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ugh, so I did some reading into the criteria, it seems like there needs to be a “summary article or list” for Featured topics. If we were to go with “Operas by Claudio Monteverdi” I’m not sure if his main article would count as the “summary” article. It seems like an article would need to exist about his operas alone, or a list of his operas. Aza24 (talk) 09:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for investigating. I hope that list would not have o be a featured list, or we could give up right away. We could make a subset from List of compositions by Claudio Monteverdi, as List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi which should include only the operas, not other stage works - because those have no featured articles, afaik. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hm it seems that that list would indeed probably have to be featured. Why would we have to "give up right away?" Are featured lists very difficult to make? The only one I know of in classical music is List of operas by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, coincidentally also by Brian Boulton! Aza24 (talk) 21:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I only meant giving up the idea of having a featured topic ready by 15 May. Let's do it, slowly, then ;) - I was never successful with a featured list so far, but that doesn't mean a thing. Monteverdi wrote fewer operas than Mozart, that should help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah I gotcha! After some more looking around it seems like Monteverdi's article itself wouldn't need to be part of the featured topic, based on Norman Rockwell not being part of Featured topics/Four Freedoms. So if you would want to collab on a List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi, I'm sure it would be fun! Aza24 (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't quite get Monteverdi, because that IS already a FA, that's why its TFA that day. But well, never mind. Go ahead, I'm with you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I only mean that Monteverdi wouldn't have to be part of it so we won't have to rush to get it in before the TFA! I'll try to set up draft with some of the outline info and put it here later, cheers! Aza24 (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright I made a draft: User:Aza24/List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi. I used some of the template from the list of Mozart Operas. But took out type/genre of opera (which maybe we'll need to add back in) and took out language. (Because I think they're all in Italian - so we can simply say that in the lead) Aza24 (talk) 02:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, and thank you, will look! Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I began comments on the talk, more later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

About The Plebeians Rehearse the Uprising
Hi Gerda, I've broken my own personal policy - to only create articles about plays/books/films/music that I'd read/seen/heard - here. I must admit I only know Die Plebejer proben den Aufstand by its reputation: the young tyro Grass criticising of the older master about Brecht's... inaction. Could you possibly help me out with this? Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I am interested, but look around: many in the pipeline, Monteverdi urgent, bday 15 May, then Honan Chapel, then the Christian thoughts. - I managed the DYK reviews!!! Couldn't believe it myself. - Never saw that play, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Kolumba, Cologne
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Heinrich Schütz House DYK
Sorry for modifying your hook, I wouldn't normally do that, but I didn't think it would be controversial as no one else had commented and it avoids the need for a second reviewer to review the new hook. SpinningSpark 13:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being picky ;) - you can still review it, as you didn't change content. I don't like it better. Sure, the longer the bolded stuff, the more attractive, but I believe that the uninitiated might not notice that the name of the house doesn't include Köstritz. So, I needed a way to get back to the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Wir fahren, fahren, fahren...
No doubt one of your favorite German ... musicians? – Sca (talk) 16:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I fixed his parents' names. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and was reverted --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Werl pilgrimage
No rush – I know you only nominated this a few hours ago. Just thought I'd review it because of the date request. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

At Liebster Jesu, wir sind hier
Despite now having an account, my German remains limited. I see that there is some text commented out regarding the origin of the melody and stuff, but the sourcing seems unsatisfactory. Does this JSTOR article have anything of use? I see it mentions the 17th century and such but I'd rather not make a gross translation mistake. Thanks, RandomCanadian (contribs|talk) 02:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The commented-out stuff is there in German, but I found no ref yet. I don't have JSTOR access, asked friends but no answer so far, - could anybody email me the article, please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Chorus master
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between a chorus master and a choirmaster, if there is any? Editrite! (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't use any of those, but Choral conductor. It's about the difference between choir and chorus, if any, and I was told that choir would rather be associatiated with church, chorus with musical (A Chorus Line). Any help, best probably by native speakers, welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say that "choir" and "chorus" might have different associations - a "church choir", certainly; and the ensemble singing of English National Opera is provided by its chorus - but I see no problem with Vienna Boys' Choir, which is not a _church_ choir, I think. Perhaps a distinction could be made by the relative importance of the ensemble and soloists, if any. "Choral" is quite a good choice in covering both "choir" and "chorus".
 * But I wasn't entirely happy with "choral conductor",  although I do understand it, because my feeling is that conductor really describes the role of a single person in a specific performance, whereas as the chorus master or choirmaster is rather a musical director for the chorus/choir. Having said that, when a choir performs, I would expect its choirmaster to conduct or lead; whereas a chorus would be, during performance, conducted by someone other than the chorus master. Maybe that is the real distinction between the two. I'm not sure that is a help, is it?
 * As for "native speakers", so much musical vocabulary is quite different between those two well-known varieties of English, and besides that so coloured by examples from continental Europe, I don't know that it is a help either --PaulBetteridge (talk) 15:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping to more understanding of the matter. No idea why it's boys' choir, but men's chorus. Singing in church choirs, the choral conductor will also conduct the concert, but I understand that in opera, that's the exception. I try to avoid "master" because it's a word with many meanings. The Bayreuth Festival translated "choir director". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

A thank you
What I actually came to say was, thank you for what you do. Another recently deceased musician, and more hard work from you to get their biography into shape. Besides what you write on music generally. And caring too. I know you thank many others, and I am not sure you get the thanks you deserve in return. --PaulBetteridge (talk) 15:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Paul, that's nice. If you look at the top, you'll see that I'm the third-most-thanked person on the project, and I doubt that I deserve that ;) - I'm working on this list of thanks for what people did in life, and - while the reason to look is sad - it's quite rewarding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Another funny number: 50k articles on the watchlist --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

help?
I am working on a file (by the way the grand-daughter of Ambros ­Rieder) and I need help. Perhaps you or a page stalker can assist? I have a lot of press files, i.e. 1902, 1904, 1908, and particularly these two from the 1920s 1922, 1924 that I cannot read or translate. I am particularly interested in the later pieces, as I am finding a lot of claims that she stopped working during the war and died in poverty after many years illness, but on the other hand, press indicates she was working as late as 1931 (and she died in 1932). As I am unsure what these pieces say, I do not know if they can help in solving that mystery, or might contain information which would be helpful in her biography. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Susun, I hope you have some patience, because - look around - I'm busy. I am determined to have a good list of Monteverdi's operas by his birthday, 15 March, and then people die, and have an unreferenced stub for an article, sigh, - I drop all my plans then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not to worry, I have plenty of patience. Perhaps someone who reads your page or sees the post on the article talk will help. SusunW (talk) 21:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ian was able to read the 1904 and 1908 pieces. SusunW (talk) 14:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ... good, - a bit chilling that I'm working also on a person who presented lions --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Susun, I can read the 1902 piece, - it reads pretty much like the 1908 incidence, happened in Lemberg, 2 lions attacking, wound at left hand but not dangerous. The 1920s clippings are both only for subscribers. Do you have access, and could possibly email me a larger version? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well that's good, as I think it confirm's Ian's idea that the "attack" is part of the act. I've sent you an e-mail and can send PDFs of the 1920s pieces if you can respond. SusunW (talk) 19:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I will see. Meanwhile, I found another ref for the 1908 film, which doesn't take so long to load ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Cool. PDFs are on their way to you. Again, thank you so much for the help! SusunW (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting! - As for Baby-Doll: it's about an exhibition about several artists, - the source de:Wikipedia is only for the small biographical part. Would you need translation of some of the rest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This mentions on p. 62 a book Amazonen der Manege about her and other women like her. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How is this? - I can't tell, don't speak French, but see that she is mentioned and pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * in Frankfurt 1903 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Add anything at all that you would like and helps the article. Honestly, she was really, really hard as I had sources in Dutch, German, French, and Spanish and very, very few in English. Since I don't speak any of those except Spanish, it was a game of translating it through lots and lots of translation machines and the back translating to verify. But, I thought she was quite fascinating and obviously was internationally known during her lifetime. SusunW (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the English article is better than the German, thanks to you. No more time right now, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I totally understand lack of time and thank you for your help. I appreciate everyone who has language skills more than I can say. :) SusunW (talk) 21:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "right now" means only: close to midnight here, and many other open tasks above and below, and wanting to do more about Monteverdi, approaching his birthday 15 May. Anybody: please go over his Vespers and improve - see my 2020 lead image on my user page, - history, looks like from a different world right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Norbert Balatsch

 * Thank you, that was fast and smooth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Seht, er lebt
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Seeking FAC mentorship
I am hoping to have Meghan Trainor up for TFA on Trainor's birthday in December, and am seeking some help. Would you like to mentor me for its second (and hopefully successful) FAC?--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 12:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you don't expect too much. Did you take it to peer review? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, though it is yet to receive any replies. And I doubt it will attract any due to Trainor's obscurity currently.--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 15:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. My first step will be to reply there, but look above, for things I need/want to do before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to FAC nominate this by the first of June. Any idea when I can expect comments? Regards.--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 06:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't know there were deadlines involved, sorry. I promised Ceoil that "his" was next in line three days ago, when I thought I'd have time that day. OK, will make "yours" next. But before, I'll have to get my own FAC in order, - after restructuring, the last line is without a ref ... horrible ;) + get a DYK nom going that is due today, for someone else, so it involves heavy referencing. I postponed writing an article I wanted to do yesterday to have it in time for Pentecost to tomorrow, - there's real life ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, there's absolutely no worries. You are in charge here, since I can't go through with the FAC without mentorship. June 1 is what I had in mind, but by all means a delay would be okay. The TFA date I'm aiming for is December 22 so there is some time. :D--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 07:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * fine, December is far enough away to stay relaxed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem
I see you're quite often involved with WP:DYK so if there's something from this article which seems appropriate, feel free to point it out at the proper place. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 23:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * RandomCanadian, that's an interesting article, which I had watchlisted already, - did you know that you can watchlist red links? - I am not happy yet with a link from the composer's works list to the hymn. Perhaps give the paragraph on the composition in the article a header, and have a bold name for the anthem in the lead? - I am also not happy with the term "Paschal victory" in the lead, before anything else, but now I'm also not happy with "Triumphal entry into Jerusalem", while paintings and murals are simply called "Entry into Jerusalem". I think these may be Anglican phrasings that the uninitiated reader may not recognize. Perhaps explain in the body but not us (at least not without quotation marks, and not with a link to something else) - I will think about a DYK hook - would you have an article about Pentecost also? We should make a list of Pentecost/Whitsun hymns, but how to call it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The link from Stanford goes directly to the musical settings section (since that's where I made the redirect go), I could reasonably add a subsection and link there instead. Linking "Paschal victory" to Resurrection of Jesus is my own interpretation of that bit of text, and it seemed obvious to me (since this is a hymn for Easter proper, not for Palm Sunday)... RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 13:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Fine with the redirect, I misunderstood. - I wasn't clear about the other. For our general readership - imagine a Buddhist from Pakistan reading that - Paschal victory may be an unknown term. I would not use it in the lead, and would prefer a clear link to Resurrection of Jesus. (The other was only an analogy, - I feel the same about that not factual-sounding "Triumphal", where a neutral "entry would" do.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Fixed. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 18:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

New version of the article Basset clarinet
Guten Tag Gerda, ich habe den Artikel teils inhaltlich, vor allem aber vom Erscheinungsbild her wesentlich überarbeitet. Vorerst befindet sich der geänderte Artikel hier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gisel/basset_clarinet.

Ich wäre dir dankbar, wenn du ihn einmal auf Fehler (vor allem sprachliche) durchsehen und sie ggf. korrigieren würdest, bevor ich den Artikel in den Namensraum bringe. Vielen Dank Gisbert Gisel (talk) 09:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I will but please be patient - look around. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Please see and correct now here: Basset clarinet Gisel (talk) 08:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Good to know. Will take two days minimum. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Gisel, I looked right now, and sorry, you made a mistake, blanking first, and then adding "your" new version. Can you do the following: return to the last version with the old text, and edit that by replacing by your new version? If not, we'll need Graham to fix the article history, because we now miss the interesting comparison of what exactly was changed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I corrected the error by resetting twice. Now you can compare the old and the new version directly. Gisel (talk) 09:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. For what it's worth I wouldn't have removed the blank version from the history anyway ... I don't think little slip-ups should be removed like that, especially since the diff between the old and new versions is still possible to get at (even though it's more awkward). Graham 87  09:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for helping me to less awkwardness, - I'm lazy ;) - please return to here tomorrow for Monteverdi's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Du findest die Anordnung der Bilder verwirrend. Testweise habe ich sie hier einmal umgesetzt und teilweise verkleinert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gisel/basset_clarinet. Findest du das so (oder noch anders) besser? Gisel (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Jetzt ist wieder links, was ich recht gesetzt habe (Sabine Meyer) ;) - Nein, was mir missfällt, ist das dreifach-Bild neben den zwei superlangen Hörnern, das die nächste Überschrift in die Mitte schiebt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hallo Gerda, das Dreifach-Bild habe ich (unter User:Gisel) so verschoben, dass alle Überschriften links stehen. Besser so ? Gisel (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * (kein ping nötig auf meiner Seite) Besser für die Überschriften, aber nun steht es weg vom Kontext, und ich würde nicht verstehen, womit es zu tun hat. - Ich bin altmodisch und mag keine Bilder direkt unter einer Überschrift. Brauchen wir wirklich Frau Meyer in einem Artikel über das Instrument? Vielleicht eine kleine Galerie mit ein paar anderen? - Vor langer Zeit hat jemand einen bestimmten Cellisten im Artikel Cello untergebracht ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dreifach-Bild unter den Absatz Fingering gesetzt und unter Performers (Text dort leicht geändert) eine Galerie mit meinen mühsam beschafften Bildern eingestellt ( alle Fotos hier: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gisel/Bilder_von_Klarinettisten ). Ich habe auch andere Klarinettisten oder deren Fotografen wegen Bildern angeschrieben aber keine Antwort oder keine Freigabe in der von Wikimedia vorgeschriebenen Form erhalten.


 * Wenn jetzt nach deiner Meinung O.K., würde die Änderungen in den Artikel übernehmen. Gisel (talk) 22:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Viel besser! Ich hab mal versucht, mehr von den Spielern zu zeigen. Ich würde sie entweder alphabetisch anordnen, oder links die, die am meisten nach rechts guckt. Danke für den großen Einsatz! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Die Reihenfolge möchte ich gerne so lassen. Sie entspricht der Anzahl der (geschätzten) jährlichen Auftritte mit Bassettklarinette. Alle Änderungen sind jetzt eingefügt. Gisel (talk) 08:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Auch gut. Ich schaue bei Bildern mehr danach, dass Menschen, die nach rechts schauen, links sind (look "in"), aber verstehe schon. Man guckt trotzdem nicht auf Meyer, sondern auf die, dieren Kopf größer sind ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die Sintflut
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for fixing O Sacrum Convivium!. I didn't have the time to do that myself this morning. Ron Oliver (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the cutie! No problem, but you will have to sort refs, and provide the page numbers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Rolf Hochhuth †
RD?  – Sca (talk) 12:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * look around, to busy, but will of course look, - can you help? - I looked, referencing is poor, my personal interest low, - I hope others will do it, or not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Herbert Jöris
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know that Hans Herbert Jöris conducted the first church concert I ever heard, with a Bach cantata? - 15 May is his birthday, and Monteverdi's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Might I offer you another kitten?

El_C 09:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * yes but not left, she should look "in" ;) - List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi on my mind today, not passion hymns. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, me and the kitten can help with the vandalism, at the very least! El_C 10:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Great especially since I will be outside for most of the day. Another DYK going to come up shortly, - sometimes nothing for days, and then two on one ;) - thank you and the kitten for watchful eyes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Of course. It is my pleasure. El_C 10:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Dur/Moll
You might be interested in "Term for a major scale" at Reference Desk/Language. Jmar67 (talk) 10:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * yes, when I looked all had been said well --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Klarwein
—valereee (talk) 12:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Musikalische Exequien
Did your choir ever perform that? Was listening to it earlier.† Encyclopædius  20:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, not this one. We did a lot of Schütz in 2014, including Selig sind die Toten. Last year the Monteverdi Vespers, see above. Brian left me the sources he had collected, on 2 November, - quite a legacy. Planning to go for FAC today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Monteverdi
Happy Monteverdi baptism-day! :) ~ RLO1729&#128172; 22:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, love it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * RLO, in the morning: + a table idea --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Deutsche Wikipedia
Do you know what the German equivalent of Template:Citation needed? Is there even one? There appears to be de:Vorlage:Belege fehlen, but that's more Template:refimprove, not quite what I'm looking for. Danke, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 00:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * We don’t have an equivalent of in the German Wikipedia (cf. de:Wikipedia:Citation needed).  is indeed the next-best equivalent; per policy, claims that are dubious and lack a reference should be removed outright. Cheers  ⌘  hugarheimur 01:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Go to the talk page. Dare to write in English, - most Germans speak some, so may understand or be willing to translate. I hate tags in articles which discredit the information for our readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: Divine service
Oh - the template was on some hymnal pages and not on others. It made sense to be consistent - that is, to either remove the box from all of them or to include the box on all of them. I'm fine with either. I did add the box to the rest but we can easily remove it. Thanks. --Shruti14 talk • sign 11:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC) Shruti14, what is this about? My memory is limited. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hellmut Stern
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Thank you for adding the pic, Moonraker! For the older ones however, I found a different way in my archive, please check ;) - The three great personalities are also pictured in the thankful list, among many others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Latso Pianist
Hi there, I was wondering if you could help me with improving this article to see if we can get rid of the ban (article has a multiple issues) which was placed few days ago. Please feel free to make an edits, I see you have a long experience with wiki. Thank you and have a nice day! Sausa (talk) 19:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Look above, much on my plate already. Find sources and add, that's most important! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sausa, I looked briefly: could you add references to all awards and recordings, please? And perhaps trim a bit? One masterclass pic is enough, for example, and images right and left should not "sandwich" text. Less is more ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, I will see what I can do. It is always hard to find referneces because soemtimes web pages are good for year or two and after certain time url seems to be not working. For exammple, his London Wigmore Hall, Berlin Philarmonic hall, TV intervies, etc., 10 year ago were working, of course now none of them seem to be valid, and I understand that because venue organizations make updates on their pages and old stuff get deleted. Thanks Gerda! Best, Sausa (talk) 01:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sausa, four things: 1) no pings are needed when you post to someone's own talk. 2) References do not have to be online. If you have a paper clipping, or a program book, you can cite it. 3) I find the article overwhelmingly detailed, - compare Inge Borkh, for example, or Igor Levit. It's not the pianist's personal website, but should only contain information of encyclopedic value. 4) I - as a reader - would prefer to see only the three most memorable awards, not a bunch for which I will not have patience to read. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with you Gerda, the article is too much detailed, I think it should be filtered, I will see what I can do when I have time or I will ask somebody to collaborate. Thanks for all your good advices, I appreciate that! Best, Sausa (talk) 17:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jesu Leiden, Pein und Tod
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Vespers / Vespers
Hi Gerda! I didn't want to go on at length in the FA discussion, but for what is is worth, my rationale was:

If, for example, we were talking of the Pastoral Symphony and then referred to it, for short, as Symphony - e.g. "Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony is very nice. The Symphony is a great favourite with audiences", it would be right (I think) to have the second appearance of Symphony in italics (because there is an understood elision of Pastoral), and beacuse it's that particular symphony you are referring to. Admittedly there would be no italics if we were talking about the First Symphony (in which case, second time round, there would still of course be a capital letter). If we were to say "Beeethoven's Pastoral Symphony is very nice. The symphony was a form he was good at." there would of course be no italics (or capital) second time round. I don't think one can easily formulate a rule about this, save to suggest that repetitions of a title, even if curtailed, should be in the same format as the full title. You could ask the other contributors what they think, so that you have an explicit consensus to refer to, otherwise passing editors will always be changing it back and forth.--Smerus (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining, and I think I can follow. Two things though. 1) How would you say that a specific symphony was a favourite if it wasn't a title such as Pastoral Symphony but just Mrs. ABC's Symphony No. 3? 2) For the vespers, we have the extra difficulty that it's Vespers / Vespers / vespers, - with the service the same word as the composition. My try - debatable of course - is having the service (and only the service) lowercase, and have the short name (which is not a title) of the composition uppercase, and when a title is wanted, use the full title. Some of our confusion may stem from the fact that the article title used to be Vespers of 1610, in which case Vespers really was a short title. After the move to Vespro della Beata Vergine, changes should have been made that were not, and that's where we are. - More tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Benedikt Kristjánsson
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

see below --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Neopeius, thank you, and that was all my pleasure]: feeling that concerns were considered, understood and illumination happening on both sides. It's one of my keywords this year, did you know? Look on top. I have the pictured hook below on the Main page, but my heart is more with yesterdays, about the most extraordinary St John Passion to watch. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the parting comment in the DYK. I'm Gideon, by the way, and the Facebook friend request is from me (so you know its provenance). Pleased to meet you, although I think our paths crossed before -- I think you did something nice for me earlier on. --Neopeius (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Gideon, thank you, and forgive me for not remembering, - perhaps I can remember Gideon better ;) - pleasantly busy today, more later --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I meant to say the request is from me! ^^;; --Neopeius (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * not sure if I get it, - I'm not on facebook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Uh oh -- must be a different Gerda Arendt, then. ^^;; --Neopeius (talk) 11:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Boddenberg
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

World at War
Hello. I may have been premature in assigning Oliver to the World at War category but there is a renaming request open on that category to drop "episodes" from the title. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O Licht der wunderbaren Nacht
-- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  12:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Werl pilgrimage
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Finbarr Donnelly
As I am old and forgetful and a bit lost, can you make the infobox img larger please. RIP. Sound as always. Ceoil (talk)
 * ✅ Grimes2 (talk) 10:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Ceoil  (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both, have a good Sunday! Ceoil, I haven't forgotten the pic ref request in the FAC, nor the Chapel, but have a few (pleasant) things in real life, and some more requests with deadlines, look around, + my article on hymns for Pentecost which is a baby, and it's a week from now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries Gerda. Have a good day. Ceoil  (talk) 17:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Unplugged
When you plug back in, would you mind reviewing this for your next QPQ? Thanks! --evrik (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Template:Did you know nominations/The Unplugged Collection, Volume One

Main page, DYK section
You 've said you plan to have my article to be shown on the Main page, in the DYK section. If it's not too late and if you perhaps haven't noticed, I wrote an article about House of Knežević a couple of days ago. Maybe you 'll like it. Best wishes, -- Silve ''' rije 22:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Silverije, thanks for the pointer, looks interesting but needs work (no links from bold places, please, impossible red links ...) - it needs to be nominated today, and I don't know if I will have time, have an article with the same date and not long enough yet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I tried to find something, but nothing special came up, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Silverije, if you can tell me a fact interesting for the "broad audience", I could still try today, when I'll hopefully have a bit more time than yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you answer. Sorry i haven't answered before. I'm afraid I haven't understood what you meant by a fact interesting for the "broad audience". Do you mean something more dealing with the Knežević family (i.e. some more details from their lives, wives, battles, orders, anecdotes etc.) or something else? Best wishes, -- Silve ''' rije  22:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Among the DYK rules is that it has to be a referenced fact which is interesting to a broad audience, and that is interpreted as "appealing" to said audience, and I found nothing particularly "hooky". I need help, or let's try the next one, - for a person it's always easier than a family. How about one family member, and then mentioning the family also in a hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's OK. If you think that there nothing particularly interesting, I have to accept it. As for the person of the Knežević family, there is only one article; it's about Vinko Knežević, the most notable member, and it's written a couple of years ago. In any case, I agree that we can "try the next one". Please, give me the suggestion on the theme (person etc.) which would be interesting to broad audience and I could write about it. Best wishes, -- Silve ''' rije 23:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you are wrong. YOU, not I, should be burning to bring something to said audience, look around on this page. You, not I, could have seen something worth mentioning in the family article, because you know it in depth. I - sorry - saw a noble family, living some place, doing some normal things. - I have a red link I want to fill today, just because it looks ugly, and then I'll see if the article gets long enough for DYK, and if there will be something you can say in 200 chars, which will be tough as the title is so long. (I have a list of my plans on my user page), DYK? Not every article is for DYK, - we should not pad just to get it long enough, and not add an exceptional (but unecyclopedic) fact just to please the crowd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda, it seems I haven't understood quite what you meant. I see that you are very busy and probably have a lot of deadlines. I said I agree with you that there is nothing particularly interesting in the article of the Knežević family "to please the crowd", as you said. The fact that in the 18th century family produced five generals of the Habsburg Imperial Army in just two generations probably isn't interesting enough, is it? I took a look at your user page. There are some interesting questions for me there, but also some of them that are not. If you put, for instance, a question like "Did you know ... that in the 18th century the House of Knežević, a Croatian noble family produced five generals of the Habsburg Imperial Army in just two generations?", would that maybe suit you? Or e.g. "Did you know ... that the Croatian baron Vinko Knežević, a member of a notable military family, who served as general of the cavalry in the Habsburg Imperial Army, became in 1815 a commander of City of Venice at the end of the Napoleonic wars?" Maybe I could suggest you some other similar questions dealing with Croatian inventors, explorers or so, if you agree. -- Silve ''' rije 22:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, just for the family it's too late, should have been 25 May, not (almost) 29. An article may not be older than 7 days, or improved to Good article, - that's always an option for an old article, but takes a lot of work. - We'll get there, some day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The above hook is way too long, btw, - best to mention just one significant thing. Do you think that article could go for Good article WP:GA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda, I was absent for two days and couldn't answer. As for the Good article rating for Vinko Knežević, I think that it would be nice, because he was a notable person, but I suppose my English is far from perfect, so it should be done by somebody who is native or near-native speaker of English. Yes, it takes a lot of work, as you said. As for the too long hooks, can't they be shortened? Like e.g. "Did you know ... that the Croatian baron Vinko Knežević, who served as general in the Habsburg Imperial Army, became a commander of Venice in the Napoleonic wars?" As for the Croatian explorers and inventors, I 've got some ideas and I've found enough material so I could write an article. What do you think, which would be more interesting: An ethnologist, linguist and anthropologist who lived with Indians in South America and wrote a dictionary of their language or a sea captain and banker from the Republic of Ragusa, the only person to whom a monument was erected in the long history of Dubrovnik? -- Silve ''' rije  22:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Operas by Monteverdi
Hmmm so I'm looking at List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi and it seems pretty solid. Before I nominate for FL, just wanted to see if there's anything you want to add or ideas for improvements? Aza24 (talk) 06:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, thanks for asking, try ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome. It's late where I am so I'll nominate it tomorrow. (Although I might double check/ce the descriptions under the table first) Cheers! Aza24 (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Would you please...
... review this for me? I have just missed the centenary, which was on 22 May, but I am hoping it can be used soon. Moonraker (talk) 01:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, later today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * done, imagine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov)
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

This article was written to honour a composer who recently died, and a double bass player who recently celebrated his birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Reutter
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Liebster Jesu, wir sind hier
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Frederick Swann GAN
Hi Gerda, I see you're still very busy at DYK, etc. You'll be interested to know this well-known organist's article is now a Good Article candidate. Best regards,  JGHowes   talk  12:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great! I did some formatting, hope you don't mind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"


 * style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | A small cup of coffee.JPG
 * style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Much appreciated, Gerda! Have a cup of coffee on me.{ &mdash;  JGHowes   talk  14:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * }
 * Delicious, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Life saver
Thank you for showing me how to add a space to avoid a displaced header!

{-} is a life-saver, thank you. :) --Neopeius (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for List of hymns for Pentecost
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

This beginning of a list is a virtual singing to my friends for Pentecost, an inspiring feast where at least the cantor was allowed to sing today here, Komm, Heilger Geist, der Leben schafft, Come, Holy Spirit, creating life. I'll try individual messages, but if I don't get around to you, please take this instead. I'd be happiest about a response in form of adding your favourite song to the list, - couldn't believe how few have an article. You can list without, of course, as an invitation for creation. Thanks to Cnbrb for having done so before I asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Bist du wirklich bei der Martinskirche in Idstein? Ich glaub das nicht! Cnbrb (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Warum nicht? I was there in the morning, a Baroque sonata for trumpet and organ, and the song (by the cantor alone) that I added today (planned before, stubby). - See article talk, I was even supposed to have a COI. I took a pic of the church today before the service, but it's not good enough to be uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Vor vielen Jahren wohnte ich direkt gegenüber von dieser Kirche. Cnbrb (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * small world ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Bin auch ehemaliger Mitglied der Idsteiner Kantorei. Cnbrb (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am a member of the Kantorei when they need extra singers, Beethoven's Ninth, Carmina burana, also in the recent Bach WO project (pictured above the conductor's left arm), - having planned Matthäuspassion this Lent. - Did you have a chance to see Unionskirche after the 2017 restoration? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: getting sentimental, seeing "annual ecumenical service on Pentecost Monday" pictured, because tomorrow will be the first in decades without. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't been there for decades! I remember it was an incredible building. Fond memories of singing Bach motets there. Cnbrb (talk) 22:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Look at the article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerda!
St vs. St. is an WP:EngVar issue: with a period is what an American is used to, but British usage is without. Since you probably know the article history better than I, I'll leave to you to sort out which applies. Tschüss, Sparafucil (talk) 06:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, yes, I know. Same article uses St. John for the Evangelist, - St is for English churches, afaik. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Scot Weir
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC) Did you know that I heard Weir sing Schubert's Winterreise? And briefly talked to Zender before a performance of his version (with another singer)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Mady Mesplé
I think that most of the prose is referenced, but there are 2 chunks I cannot fix: "During the 1960s, Mesplé appeared frequently..." is covered in outline by Gramophone and Le Figaro, but not in the detail written in the article. And the next para "During the 1970s she added operettas to her repertoire...", which once again is covered in a general way, but includes other details. -- PaulBetteridge (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We need help from people who read French and have access to the sources the article was originally written. I wish her Kutsch/Riemens page was online. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
For the Birthday wish. Aditya (talk • contribs) 18:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jagdschloss Kranichstein
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Help w/ anti-paganism
When you next get around to reading, if you would take a particular look at the anti-paganism section I would appreciate it. I feel like I said too much, but don't know how to say less since it's controversial. I'm unsure if I lost the bubble of trying to nail down what Christian thought and instead got off into the weeds of the controversy itself--but how to separate them? Your brilliant insight is desired! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Past midnight, but I took a brief look: Don't begin a section with a quote (readers my jump to it from the TOC and are without context), and - for me - no more than three refs for one fact ;) - too tired for more, and I promised Ceoil to look at his FAC. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for changing some. I read the para now completely, but would need the background of the previous ones to say anything with sense. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * It's okay ! I found a critic!  I figure that in this topic area it's easy to find an opponent, so I went looking.  I found a critic and he hates everything!  It's wonderful really!  It will be tremendously helpful!  He's tagging stuff right and left and forcing me to take a harder look at everything.  It's great!  He's not mean or rude either, but I am hoping to get some actual input from him beyond just tags.  I have now completely re-written the anti-paganism section and posted it to him on the talk page and I won't use it till he agrees! I think the new scholarship has been a bit of a shock to him, but for heaven's sakes, Brown started this back in the 60s!  He is actually the guy that is credited with starting Late antiquity as a field of study.  Anyway, I have help!  Thank you thank you for all of yours. Is there anything you would like me to look at?  Any way I can show my gratitude? I send you good thoughts every day but I don't know if you get them! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * To start at the end: I do get them!! - I hate tags in articles (I have my critic tagging ...), because they discredit the information in the eyes of the reader. Nothing wrong with a good talk page discussion, and I hope yours will turn out fruitfully. - I have a FAC open, but enough people supported already, - it just needs a source review. You could join the peer review of Honan Chapel, or just watch what else is going on here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to know you can tell -- people all over the world are sending you love. I went and looked at Honan Chapel--it's amazing Gerda!  The article is wonderful and the topic is fascinating.  I was interested to learn about it as I'd never heard of it before.  WP is so much fun!  :-)  I hope my Talk page discussion is fruitful as well.  This guy is mostly a critic who doesn't do editing.  I have posted my rewrite on the Talk page in hopes of a response.  It is improved I think while still respecting the shift in scholarship that has taken place.  If he doesn't respond, I will go ahead and trade it out and take down the tag on that section. I am doing all I can to cooperate with him. There's always another way to say the same things... :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)


 * You are so right. For clarification: I was invited to the Honan Chapel by Ceoil who wrote it, and runs a peer review. In a PR, sometimes comments from readers new to a subject are helpful. The great thing about it is that you - as reviewer - can comment on just the bits you notice (as I did) and don't have to rate the whole work, as when doing a Good article review. For more clarification: this is busy week, so I will probably not get to "your" paganism. About "another way to say the same thing": you could perhaps help me wording a DYK hook for Meine engen Grenzen, we are struggling. - Did you know (see top) that I wrote Doktor Johannes Faust in memory of a friend who died, with Hans as part of his name, with whom I visited another piece based on Faust at the Oper Frankfurt? That's how Wikipedia also got an English article on the librettist ... - If you want to help me further you could also go over the songs listed on top, right of the TOC, and see if the articles make sense. Btw: I hate tags like the below as well. One of the songs comes with a tag. - In my reply to the invitation to the Honan Chapel, I named the song of defiance which keeps working for me. - (The blessing song with the long title will grow. "The Lord will bless you with his goodness" - is that a good translation of the long title? The Lord will bless you with his goodness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Reinhard Pfundt has been accepted
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 * My editing would be happier without such templates. For those who didn't follow: LouisAlain created the article as a translation from the German Wikipedia, as one of thousands, a great service imho, - we are a community, and everybody missing sources there, and missing content, can help improving. Instead, it was sent to draft space for lack of sources by Boleyn, and declined to be accepted by Robert McClenon for lack of notability. I looked for facts and sources, and the result is this pompous template, + I was lectured about not posting in old threads (as if we couldn't see any change directly) and that it was explained again and again to me that the English Wikipedia has different sourcing requirements than French and German. - Yes, I even understand. I have a wish: if that happens again, just list the name of the article below, and I and my helpful talkpage watchers will see what we can do. Imagine how much clutter of templates and angry messages we could avoid (while we seem to not have space to mention a theatre in a DYK hook, see below) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You could also enter, seeking or offering help, here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * user:Gerda Arendt, we've been through this - New Page Patrollers are not going to leave articles in mainspace if they don't meet the criteria to do so. You could have helped LouisAlain (and all of us) much more by encouraging LouisAlain to create in draftspace then alert you, or submit via WP:AFC. Or by encouraging LouisAlain to take our referencing and notability criteria seriously. This may end in another ANI. Boleyn (talk) 10:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We have been through that indeed, and you wrote several words we heard already instead of just listing below the next three articles you meet. I treat LouisAlain as an adult, am grateful for him translating, and willing to copy-edit and change the referencing to inline citations. I usually catch his new articles because they come up on my watch list. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Boleyn, today I met Eino Tamberg, a 2007 article with practically no inline citations. I don't see the difference to Pfundt. Different standards? I'll work on it, no need to send it to draft space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles by LouisAlain needing help

 * Reinhard Pfundt --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cyrano de Bergerac (Tamberg)
-- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  00:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

... from the theatre where I met Arvo Pärt during a concert intermission, but we have not space enough to mention that theatre in a hook ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Heinrich Schütz House, Bad Köstritz
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Mendelssohn House
Many thanks for getting a DYK on the main page today for my article about Heinrich Schütz House.

I will try adding more to Mendelssohn House, Leipzig. There are another Mendelssohn House, which is in the German wikipedia: de:Mendelssohn-Haus (Düsseldorf). There is also Fanny & Felix Mendelssohn Museum in Hamburg. AtticTapestry (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I was at the Leipzig house, remember how "present" the composer seemed, with his paintings on the walls ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Doktor Johannes Faust
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I wrote the article in memory of a friend, with whom I saw Faust II in Frankfurt. I should have written his article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Prächtig!† Encyclopædius  10:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Marcello Abbado Comment
There is an IP adding rubbish that I was reverting on that page, but their edits seem to disappear from the history, I did not intend to revert any good edits by yourself. I have to check out the IP see what's happening. Sorry for the inconvenience JW 1961   Talk  22:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, thank you for watching, - bedtime for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The IP (or at least the editor behind) is the same one that has been vandalising the daily featured articles for a while... They're all socks of User:CGSFH (not the oldest account but the most relevant to explain this) who seemingly has some grudge with a certain youtube personality ("ella" is the tail end of said person's youtube account name) (the remaining 3 letters in their username standing for some absurd vulgarity which you can guess without me pointing it out). See also the previous discussions on the issue at this thread at WP:VPR. Gerda: the article is, sadly but simply, collateral damage since it appears on the main page... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you're still updating the relevant edit filter; but looking at the IP's edit summaries (which aren't yet redacted) what I proposed to you via less-public channels should be implemented (unless if the filter is for the TFA page only due to false positives, in which case extending it's scope slightly could be an option). Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * False-positive rate has gotten pretty high. Semi-protection is doing fine, and we're working on some other things that might help. Apologies to JW & Gerda for the disruption. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * All no problems as long as watching the Main page works while we sleep, thanks to you! I have every day's TFA on my watch list, and you (all) can do the same, and watch others exposed there, to your liking. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for the precious! Very sweet of you. Storye book (talk) 08:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ludwig Strecker Jr.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Zoltán Peskó
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

In this case, don't miss the nomination, with credit to a user and composer who died, Dmitri Smirnov. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Gerda, cententary means hundred years, Stavinsky death was 1971, so this can't be. I think Stravinsky's birth is meant: 1882. Grimes2 (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, you are right. Please report at Errors (go to Main page, click on talk, and you will be guided), - makes much more sense, to celebrate birth! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Re. "Nun jauchzt"
As I said, I don't think that having the text of another hymn, which is not a translation of the German (unlike, say, for Ein feste Burg and it's direct English translations) and is sung to a different melody, is relevant. There are surely quite a few hymns based on Psalm 100 but I don't think listing the other variants in each article about such a hymn is relevant. As I said, the best place to put this would be at the article on Psalm 100, if it is not already there. Sorry for the revert, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I just "replied" your talk, giving you a job ;) - Should we merge this on the article talk, or is it just between us? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Grace Hoffman
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Kudos for this one that you once nearly regretted I had translated. And now it is a DYK! Congrats for your hard work on it to the point of doubling its size. Reminds me of my very first article here which has turned from a meager unreferenced mongrel into a substantial article. 520 ko into 5,830. As Hegel wrote "The oak is contained within the acorn".
 * Which also explains why I'm fuming when such and such ignoramus questions the notability of such and such subject of an article. LouisAlain (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Please don't get me wrong, I didn't regret that you translated a singer that - while I never saw on stage - I remember hearing on radio. I regretted only that you translated so much, because for DYK, every bit needs a ref. It would be easier - for me - to fully source a shorter subset, and add detail after DYK. In this case, the Kutsch/Riemens was visible to me, a great help compared to having to collect refs for facts other places, but - did you see it? Loooong, and not well organised, and you can't copy from the book excerpt, have to type it from scratch. - Enough, next time, please keep a potential DYK article shorter. Potential is when I know the subject and like it enough to do the extra work ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand. That may be why Ulrike Liedtke fell flat and Kurt Gudewill wasn't even considered. Should I carry on with Draft:Wolf-Dieter Hauschild ?
 * Liedke is nominated, don't know what you mean by fell flat. I missed Gudewell, possibly because he doesn't come up in articles I watch, - I don't follow around what you are doing. You might begin listing articles you think might be good for DYK right here, in this thread, and I'll check. Hauschild is a notable person, try a subset ;) - The English Wikipedia will not need all that detail, ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Like this ? But it may be too late now. And too long LouisAlain (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's another one frightening by sheer length. Imagine how many inline would have to be found and added, minimum one per paragraph! - It's not too late, created 5 June, could be done until 12 June or even 13, but not by me, busy getting older. - Amazing work to translate that and give it to us, - thank you! Anybody ready to do the inline citations? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Devil in Love (opera)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

In memoriam. The pic was taken, and the opera's article started, by Dmitri Smirnov. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Eight Hungarian Folksongs
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Tilly Bébé
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:01, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Sagenhaft!† Encyclopædius  19:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Herzlichen Dank! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020
Please do not remove the copyvio/core template from articles, as you did with Michael_Maaser. Your action has been reverted. For legal reasons, we cannot accept non-free text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted, and removing copyright notices will not help your case. You can properly contest the deletion at Copyright problems. If you are the owner of the material, you may release the material under the Creative Commons and GFDL licenses, as detailed at WP:IOWN. Alternatively, you are welcome to create a draft in your own words at Talk:Michael Maaser/Temp. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators and/or removers of the copyright notice templates will be blocked from editing. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Come on, don't template the regulars... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) How sweet. Talk to Michael Bednarek please, who did that. I only restored. What I didn't know was that the article changed in the meantime. There is no harm, - an article doesn't have to be deleted because there was copyvio at some time. Believe me, it can be deleted months later (check out history of Psalm 100). I rephrased the bio. CommanderWaterford, I'm calling El C for help.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, you should have been more careful because this is clearly a translation (heck, the first sentence is not completely translated so you can even compare...) of the German Wikipedia page on the same... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I told him the same on the article talk, hours ago. Listening is a great gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry stuff like this is happening... people keep mistaking lists for violations! I’ll add a note to the g12 template about false positives in lists when I have the time. I need to write a guide on copypatrol too.Moneytrees🌴Talk🌲Help out at CCI! 14:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't mind maken the mistake. But when reverted by two rather experienced editors (Michael more than myself), it might be a good idea to check premises. Another good idea would be not to template, regulars or not, - it's just not what you'd do to your sister, right, Commander? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You should also maybe make the note at WP:G12 too... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Commander, kindly show that you understood a bit of the above, and apologize on Michael's talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I got the ping, Gerda. Is everything okay now? El_C 06:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know - waking up - if the Commander told Michael that he's sorry for the unneeded mess in template form, not understanding what a copyvio is not, but otherwise, yes. Article threatened with deletion because it contains the same list of publications in German and English, - that's so (insert decent word) that I looked for a different reason. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What the commander did was lecturing me (on LouisAlain's page) that an article can be deleted if the references don't get translated. No, I didn't know that. The best advice I ever received here was ignore ignore ignore, so that may be best in this case as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is a matter of the non-native language for you, I don't know - I did not say at no point that the article could be deleted because of the references not being translated! I just wrote that in my personal opinion it would not survive an AfD Discussion but as you might have seen I did not take the article to AfD so far (and I will not). As a somehow experienced editor you should be able to be more relaxed if you made a mistake - which can happen at all time - insulting Editors ("silly tag" etc.) is definitely not the correct way to handle this. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You seem not to understand what Ignore ignore ignore means. Please follow the link. This discussion is closed, but I hate templating, so won't do it with a template. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I apologise
For my closing summary on the Trainor peer review page. Revisiting it, I can see how it looks passive aggressive. No one is entitled to your (very precious) time. The whole reason I had approached you for help in the first place was because I admired your work and kind attitude. You were nothing short of professional in your conduct at the page and did not deserve that. So, apologies.--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 17:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I missed it altogether, and nothing therefore I could "forgive" you. However, I believe a link to the peer review belongs on the talk page, for completeness. - An article which attracted only one reviewer in peer review made it to FA today, - I'm in a good mood ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Theo Akkermann has been accepted
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DYK for Günther Massenkeil
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Featured article length & Laura Harrier
FAC Laura Harrier is currently in a standstill. One editor supported the promotion to FA status but the current editor believes the article is too short to be a Featured Article. Could anyone assist with this article or quickly look over it for a review, or if not interested in reviewing it, let me know if it is indeed too short please? Factfanatic1 (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Factfanatic1, interested, yes, time no, is the short answer. Yesterday, I heard that Anna Blume died, today that Jürgen Holtz died, - planned work left undone to feed WP:ITNN in time. I hope I'll be able to take a look, but look above for what I promised before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, please take your time. Thank you. Factfanatic1 (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Anna and Bernhard Blume
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... that the art photographers Anna and Bernhard Blume created Kitchen Frenzy and Pure Reason?

... that in 1968, the German artist Bazon Brock created a sign in the style of a high voltage warning saying that "death must be abolished ..."?

DYK for List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi
— Wug·a·po·des​ 23:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 12:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * good timing, just after it received the FL star. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Old 100th
Ouch. My intention had been simply to add the one-line hatnote, no more. I have no idea at all who the other edits crept in. Thanks for discovering it. Feline Hymnic (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. Actually, something similar happened recently when I used a tool to repair duplicate links. For some reason, more than I wanted got deleted, but I also got warned by an observant person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

A birthday
Happy birthday? El_C 05:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * not mine today (but close) - want to add? - Today is the birthday of one with the river Rhine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Cool, sounds primordial. El_C 05:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What can you do in restricted times? I'm on my way to make the meetings real, in portions, a hike to that meadow, another around the rose town, a bike tour along the Rhine from Oppenheim and another to the Kreuzkapelle, a lunch overlooking the Rhine in Mainz, and church services happened already, more hikes and even organ concerts are planned, and for me, that's even better than seeing them all the same day as 2 decades ago. It helps to live in a blessed area where others come for vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * (Belated apologies.) That sounds absolutely serene. Petting a chipmunk is also nice. Anyway, A very merry Unbirthday to you! To you! El_C 01:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy petting that happy chipmunk! - Thank you for the wishes, coming a good day, 20 years OTD that the Chanticleer sang at Unionskirche, Idstein, as part the Rheingau Musik Festival, and I was permitted to take photos during their rehearsal, - such wonderful and still vivid memories of walking around in a great building filled with unbelievable harmony. I wanted to make a box above but perhaps better to keep it down here, modestly. What I did was begin the years with their sounds, DYK? Look above for Chanticleer. - This year, a cellist - subject of my first article here, and I never wanted to write any other, only there was this red link ... - wants to play for me and my guests, as many birthdays before, which is more tricky to arrange. My favourite church (pictured above) is too small (36 people right now), the next holding 100 but too resonant (looking forward to an organ concert there on Saturday, which was planned for March), - perhaps I'll ask Unionskirche ... - Would you like to tell me a place and a song for my virtual sing-along? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I found the 2000 program, - first half sacred music by William Cornysh, Tomás Luis de Victoria, Vasily Polikarpovich Titov and John Taverner, and then music by Alberto Ginastera, Benitez Valencia, Astor Piazzolla, George Gershwin, Nacio Herb Brown, and spirituals. We were taken by the black voice of Eric Alatorre, who retired only last year, as I found out today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Second Battle of Oituz
When you get a moment: take a look at this (pp. 515-518) [I'm aware that military history is probably quite out of your reach, but in any case]. I certainly feel confident enough to add the information to the article, but in case there's anything I miss or misunderstand feel free to improve on it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll watch, - it reads like a foreign language though ;) - but seems a decent source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A far cry from Bach :) It's the official history (compare with other ones listed here) so a little dose of care regarding bias is required (but at the level of a single battle like this one, probably not too much). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh and if its the abbreviations "ID" is Infanterie-Division; "KD" is Kavallerie... and "k.u.k" is Kaiserlich und königlich (which indicates the unit is Austro-Hungarian and not German if there's any confusion) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And now since I bothered with translating the near totality of the text I'm going to ask if you could be so kind as to translate this short sentence: it looked interesting as a possible DYK hook but I couldn't quite get the meaning (other than there was some music involved...) either by myself or via google...


 * Vielen danken, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I told you it's not my language ;) - "Vielen Dank" - translator has some nonsense, but seems mostly fine: "On the 12th, on the other hand, the Bavarians had to repel eight assaults at the most recent border level, which had been recited impetuously by the enemy to the sounds of music." criticism: "at the most recent border level" has more than one problem, 1) should be "recently taken", and 2) the key word in Grenzhöhe is Höhe, - the border is at some peak or higher elevation. "vortragen" would be "recite" for music, but here the assault is "carried forward" or whatever term is better, and yes, these enemies (German has singular "vom Feinde" but I'm not sure if that would be the right way to do it in English) played music. My helper for idiomatic translations is Moonraker, and I'm tired now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, perhaps something like this: "However, on the 12th, the Bavarians had to repel eight assaults on the recently taken border heights, which impulsively the enemy carried out to the sound of music." Moonraker (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Isn't "ungestüm" = "impetuously"? So "However, on the 12th, the Bavarians had to repel eight assaults on the recently taken border heights, which the enemy carried out impetuously, to the sound of music." "Grenzhöhe" I had figured, mostly from knowing the two component words but also from the context of this being mountain warfare... This clarifies it enough, and I have added it to the article. If you want to take a quick glance at the relevant pages in the volume (515-518) and compare with the section in the article to see if I missed anything crucial (I tried to be as thorough as possible, paraphrased everything a bit, and of course tried to tone down the language in the few instances were it felt a bit biased, and there's a paragraph about what the OHL suggested on the 8th - before the battle - that I felt wasn't really relevant) that would be, of course, welcome. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  01:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , very few words have an exact equivalent in another language, if you prefer "impetuously", it is near enough. I am busy with other things, but if there are any particular points I might be able to help. Moonraker (talk) 01:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Impulsively" is not common when describing military operations, and playing music while attacking in the context of WWI - machine guns, artillery and all - is clearly impetuous, (dictionary definitions aside, the only one that seems to refer to something related to military terms is from the Military Dictionary and Gazetteer) i.e. "foolishly brave"... Anyway, thanks for the help, the remainder is not that big a deal. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I know almost nothing about the Romanian army, you would need to know its traditions to know whether the music was impetuous. Scottish regiments, for instance, almost always went into battle with bagpipe music, even in the First World War. I wouldn’t put "impetuously" into quotation marks in that context, as you are quoting from a source in another language. Moonraker (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh well turns out I was too stubborn in trying to translate the German: this has already been done, per this... The translator there has:


 * So "impetuously" is probably the correct term (and the translator is credited as a historian so I assume he would be aware of what he's writing about...) Thanks again and sorry for the trouble, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Always learning, thank you, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done for the quotation marks. It seems significant (unusual?) enough for foreign official historians to mention it specifically in this case (there's no other reference to "Musik" anywhere near)... Now of course fact is I know as much Romanian as I know about the Romanian army so in either case this will remain stale until someone who knows about it has a look at it. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm delighted about the progress, and surprised that battle music is no more than a redirect. Could there be something at least about pipes and drums? RC, could you please add the tune to the hymn we "sang" today, - not yet we, but congregation singing announced for next weekend! (look for 28 June above). The text is under copyright but the 1640 tune is by Crüger, video added, C minor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe it should instead redirect to Martial music. I'll see what I can do about your hymn, I am playing organ at a service today (first time since March) and I'll probably stay a bit longer after to practice a bit... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 12:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Good! Redirect done. Other hymn wish: Das Jahr steht auf der Höhe, similar, same box, just no good YT (but several not so good ones). Will (or rather have to) nominate that one for DYK today, so if you have time for one, that one please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Re. "Dank sei dir" : this is the melody, right? And for Das Jahr steht auf: this? Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, just Gotteslob has it in C, not D. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

i am, very sorry
but i have no idea what that actually means... JarrahTree 09:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * you mean you don't find a link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * ahh ok found it - like digging into the recesses of the memory... all a bit weird at first - thanks... JarrahTree 10:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Update on Monteverdi's Operas Featured Topic
Gerda, I've been quite busy the past couple of days but am now back preparing to continue pursuing the Featured topic nomination. I don't know if you saw but I brought up the inclusion of Monteverdi's article itself on the Featured topic questions page and a user who has done quite a few Featured topics advised not to include Monteverdi's article since the topic is "Operas by Claudio Monteverdi" and Monteverdi himself is of course not an opera, which makes sense to me.

Anyways before I nominate I still need to alter the referencing style on Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria and L'incoronazione di Poppea to match the rest of the articles. In the meantime, I wonder if you have any thoughts on what a blurb for the topic would look like as the criteria requires one. The criteria says that the blurb can be a shortened version of the lead article of the topic (In this case List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi) and gives this one is given as an example. So how does it sound just using the first paragraph of the list? (Slightly altered)

"Claudio Monteverdi (1567–1643) wrote several works for the stage between 1604 and 1643, including ten works of the then-emerging opera genre. For three of these, the music and libretto are extant: L'Orfeo (1607), Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria (1640), and L'incoronazione di Poppea (1643). Seven other opera projects are known, of which four were completed and performed during Monteverdi's lifetime, while he abandoned the other three at some point. The libretto has survived for some of these lost operas and fragments of the music for L'Arianna."

Best - Aza24 (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all this! Waking up, I think we could drop "works for the stage" and begin with that opera emerged when he lived. I like that every article in the topic is mentioned, but would like to see it end with Poppea, and a hint at still beloved, and I think Mantua and Venice should be mentioned. Travelling, I can try wording only much later, perhaps tomorrow. Feel free to do it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Aza, how is this?
 * Claudio Monteverdi (1567–1643) composed ten operas, a genre which emerged while he was court musician in Mantua. His first opera, L'Orfeo, was premiered in 1607 and became the first opera still in today's repertoire. For seven opera projects the music is mostly lost. Four of these were completed and performed, while he abandoned the others at some point. Librettos have survived for some of them, and fragments of the music for L'Arianna. Monteverdi composed operas for a theatre in Venice when he was master of music at San Marco there, including Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria in 1640 and L'incoronazione di Poppea in 1643, both also operas which remained in the repertoire.
 * I wonder if we should include how he called the genres. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great! I think talking about the genres might be a little too much specificity for a broad summary, especially since scholarship today sees them as mostly operas in the modern sense. I also think that perhaps the last line can be altered to "both of which have survived and also remained in modern repertoire".Aza24 (talk) 00:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh also, I finished standardizing the refs in Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria and L'incoronazione di Poppea so we're pretty close to ready once we finalize the blurb above. Aza24 (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I don't think we need to say "survived" of the two, because we said it twice: seven of ten are lost, and they can't be in the repertoire if they didn't survive. "both of which" sounds strange to someone coming from German, but I really can't tell ;) - Go ahead! Brian's birthday is 4 July. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


 * more on your talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Cunningham
Try citation 91. Dapi89 (talk) 20:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Please stay where the discussion began, or supply context here for my talk page watchers. There's more than one Cunningham. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme
The Gloria Landesposaunentag Ulm is verse 3 of the song Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme, BWV 140. In 1946 a crying started. 2021* Seite des Landesposaunentages, 2021 --2003:D2:2F12:A965:B0C4:943C:FE21:336C (talk) 12:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest you place that on the article talk page, and see if you find consensus to add it to the article. I am not sure. I bet it was heartbreaking for those attending, but it has not too much to do with Nicolai's hymn or Bach's setting, - could be some other, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

File:Title page of the 1656 libretto of L'incoronazione di Poppea.jpg
There you go. It's not amazing, but it'll do, I suppose. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 20:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I like it! Would you please add it, Adam? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and can the description please explain how it is 1656 while the title says 1641? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Text says as produced in 1641, a.k.a. the time of performance, not publication. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 21:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Performance was 1643, probably writing of the book was 1641, and for the some reason I don't know yet the opera is called a 1642 work. ??? Thanks for adding! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Might be old style years, which I think ended in, like, April? The kind of thing you used to write 1642/3. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.2% of all FPs 22:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah. From the article: "The date of the first performance of L'incoronazione and the number of times the work was performed are unknown; the only date recorded is that of the beginning of the carnival, 26 December 1642."
 * (ec, same thought:) Perhaps it's 1643 Carnival season, - no idea when that began. Today's 2021 season - if there is one - will begin in Germany on 11 11, 11:11 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In any case, it's in the article. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 23:56, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Any other operas you're looking for? As I said, my resources have some gaps, but I can do my best. I have Les Huguenots, Bacchus, and La bohème up at FPC right now. Eyeing File:Prison of Dardanus, from Jean-Phillipe Rameau's Dardanus - Original.jpg, although that does have a dating problem. A.k.a. the opera it's from has miraculously gained a prison scene several years before it was added. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 19:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll let you when something comes up. I think that in the other Monteverdi operas, the lead image should also be something from the opera, not a painting or sculpture of the hero, but that may be just me. I wonder about Monteverdi's handwritten score, mentioned above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can find, but Monteverdi seems poorly illustrated. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 21:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Title pages are already in the articles, just not in the position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll leave that in your capable hands, then. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 00:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the flowers. With my capable hands, I changed the image placement (to make Poppea "look in", and was reverted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Stravinsky and Psalm 39
This edit of yours is very bizarre. Even a blind person can see that the Psalm "I waited patiently for the Lord", which Stravinsky used in his Symphony of Psalms, is not the same as the Psalm "I said, “I will watch my ways and keep my tongue from sin“ , which Brahms used in his Deutsche Requiem. You can see it too, so what was your purpose? --Edelseider (talk) 07:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Psalms should be referred to by numbers only. Sorry for not having looked closer. So, as I said in the edit summary, our article is wrong. Psalm 39, I guess. Can you fix it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear: Symphony of Psalms needs the fixing most. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Muss es sein ? Es muss sein !
And also Peter Herde. Not to mention Karl Otmar von Aretin. LouisAlain (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * sure, just when is the question --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Raymund Weber
Gerda, do you know more about Raymund Weber?--Symposiarch (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * no --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Tous des mercis beaucoups, dear Gerda A.!
Dear lovely Gerda A.!

You have warmed my soul.

I'm going through an unexpected health unpleasantness at the moment (fortunately noninfectious and with no cognizable COVID-19 nexus; just what a drag it is getting old) and I don't have any more of the words in any of my fumbling languages to thank you sufficiently for this truly appreciated and even more unexpected recognition.

YOU are the precious one!

--JDL.

 Julietdeltalima   (talk)  20:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * thank you, so nice of you to come over inspite of health trouble, - best wishes to overcome it! - ... and yes, just call me Gerda, - nice to have found you, Juliet --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Frederick Swann
Hi Gerda, me again. As you know, there's a backlog at GAN. I see one of your nominees has been there even longer than this one! Knowing of your expertise in the realm of sacred music, would you be interested in doing the GA review? &mdash;  JGHowes   talk  13:32, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't do GA reviews, because I couldn't really do justice to the prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Friedrich Dörr
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

💎💎💎
Gerda ~ I’ve been meaning to stop by here to tell you how much your presence is appreciated. (You beat me to it by mere hours with your “like”, which is also very much appreciated). I can’t actually imagine being so selfless and warm-hearted that I would spend my time investigating others’ good actions, and create little gifts 🎁 for fellow editors that highlight and celebrate what they’ve done right, like you do. You give out 💎 when really you are the true gem around here, my dear. 💕 <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8"> petrarchan47 คุ  ก </b> 02:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sarah, thank you - blushing - for a beautiful gift, wrapped preciously, however, I explained on this page more than once that it's quite selfish ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh did I forget to add: ...and humble too. ;) <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8"> petrarchan47 คุ  ก </b>

Rerum Creator Optime
Hi Gerda, I ran into this while shuffling through some orphaned articles, and I was wondering if you had any suggestions for where I could link it from? I know you're knowledgeable about hymns and sacred music so I was hoping this is in your wheelhouse. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 03:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * As long as it's one line, only to Matins ;) - compare Te lucis ante terminum which has also "rerum creator" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:56, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah! I looked at where Te lucis ante terminum was linked from and it turns out there's a List of Catholic hymns, so I've linked it from there. Good suggestion, thanks! &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I also meant for categories, and where to look for better sources (cause a wiki is weak) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Eventually I'll take a look at the hymn. The list is pretty awful, and I said so on the talk. Will make a new category for those in German, because the socalled list is no more than a category, and mixing Latin and English, anyway. Compare what could be done, in List of Christmas Carols, for example. Good luck with your task. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you too :) &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 09:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * a start Category:Catholic hymns in German - all of them missing in the so-called List of Catholic hymns --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Outstanding nominations
Hi Gerda. I wonder if you could look at the reviews and suggestions being given on your older nominations and either approve the alts or suggest better ones. I know you're busy, but we're trying very hard to clear out the nominations from April and May. Here are the ones to look at:
 * Template:Did you know nominations/O sacrum convivium!
 * Template:Did you know nominations/Gerhard Erber
 * Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * commented there, thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yoninah (talk) 15:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

 * I just opened the PC with a cup of a tea - can you read my mind? - Thank you! My pleasure. I was less successful with a former sex worker DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Translating
I am wondering if you can translate this phrase into Bavarian and Low German for me: Aerial view of Sturgeon Bay, Northport, and Plum, Detroit, Washington, and Rock islands --Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no, I have not even spoken knowledge of those two.
 * talk page watchers?
 * project Germany (link on my user page)?
 * look at those encyclopedias for similar descriptions?
 * good luck! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think the or  dialects have their own word for "Luftbild" (aerial view}. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I'll go look at the encyclopedias and see if I can find a similar phrase or caption to imitate.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Was just able to translate the caption into both using Luftbild and the different variations of "island"--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed that Bavarian says "Buidl" for "Bild", and that Low German has Ennio Morricone still pictured on the Main page under recent deaths, something the English Wikipedia didn't manage for one second. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, a search for Luftbuidl turns up some results on the bar Wikipedia. I changed it to Luftbuidl.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Meine engen Grenzen
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gabriella Tucci
... the soprano who sang 11 Verdi ladies at the Met --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

chris....
the tone of the last communication that I had had was bitter and unforgiving - suspect that nothing will pull him out of where he is at, pity, as the quality of the work was something to be impressed by JarrahTree 07:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * yes, and saddest that the tone of the early communications was extremely uplifting, and about standing strong when the ill winds blow, - wish he could listen to himself --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * when I read that thread again I got a bit sentimental, - I had forgotten that I mentioned my song of defiance in 2012 already, prominently used when arbcom was the ill winds a year later. I should have linked to BWV 27, of course, but that was a miserable stub back then, but now nominated for GA, DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ulrike Liedtke
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Heinrich Bone
Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  00:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

O Jesu Christe, wahres Licht
>> Commons:Category:O Jesu Christe, wahres Licht. Beste Grüße, --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * true light, thank you ;) - we sang the song in the first service with singing, see above, one of "my churches" pictured! - any help with Cantate! appreciated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: the midi file is pretty awful, I prefer the guy singing to his guitar --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Übrigens merkwürdig, dass Heermann sein Lied mit der Melodie "Nimm von uns, Herr, du treuer Gott" verbinden wollte, denn diese Melodie hat ein sechszeiliges Versmaß, passt also gar nicht :| --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Vielleicht wurde etwas wiederholt, wer weiß, wie bei "Geh aus, mein Herz" in der populären Melodie. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi !🙋
Ummm.. Feeling a little bit nervous ..Actually I'm a newbie so I don't know how to fresh start 'pedia. So would you like to help me ? Cappuccino lover (talk) 15:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ask me more specifically, and best on your talk page, - I'll watch. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Antje Weithaas
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Stadttheater Magdeburg
You may consider that one for a virtual DYK. The snag is the lack of refs and the way too brief lede. Or you have other plans for the coming days. LouisAlain (talk) 04:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * LouisAlain, I looked now. Now way for DYK, too much unsourced. Is there any red link to go with it? I'll copy-edit the theatre, and that's it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked further, LouisAlain. Confusing - not your fault. There was Stadttheater Magdeburg before the building of that house in 1876, - where to send links before. The article pretends to be only about that house, but then also covers other venues. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gerhard Erber
Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O sacrum convivium!
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Naming conventions (music)
Innocently logging onto WP now and finding this subject at the top of my Watchlist, I was curious to look at the discussion. In partial answer to your question, it has been my general impression (from records, etc, rather than from WP guidance) that a sonata or concerto for a single solo instrument generally states the instrument first, as Piano Sonata in D-flat major, D 568 (Schubert), whereas if it's for multiple instruments (or players), it would usually take the form of Sonata in C major for piano four-hands, D 812 (Schubert). The same distinction would apply to Flute Sonata in C major, BWV 1033 as opposed to Sonata in G major for two flutes and basso continuo, BWV 1039. Also, it's my general impression that both K. and BWV tend to be more widely known and recognized than D, at least by English speakers. But I have no idea about capitalization being inconsistent. I was appalled at the rudeness I found in that discussion; and was similarly appalled to find in that user's archive that he had made revisions to guidelines with no prior discussion. Nulle Bastardo Carborundum. [Look it up.] Milkunderwood (talk) 04:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * An obvious exception to the general rule of a single solo instrument would be the many violin sonatas, etc, that are written for harpsichord (or piano) accompaniment. This is why BWV 1001, etc, usually specify for solo or unaccompanied violin. But see, e.g., Duo for Viola and Cello in E-b "mit zwei obligaten Augengläsern", WoO 32, where it's an unexpected or unusual combination. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:16, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How lovely to come in and meet you, Milkunderwood! For those who don't know you: we fought for decent name for Beethoven's 14th piano sonata, instead of a nickname ('moonlight') coined after the composer's death. That was in 2012. Now, I am not sure if the name we gave it (back), Piano Sonata No. 14 (Beethoven), is a good name. Why isn't it Piano sonata No. 14 (Beethoven)? I mean what makes Piano Sonata a name, instead of a generic word. I understand Missa brevis (generic title) vs. Missa Brevis (Britten), because the composer named it so (not that we always take the name Britten gave a piece), - but Beethoven certainly didn't name it anything in English. The first publication was in Italian, by Luigi ... -I understand that catholic church means something else than Catholic Church. Could somebody patiently explain why and when we say Piano Sonata vs. Piano sonata? That's one of three questions. The second: why the key first in the Schubert? (Record companies usage is some answer, thank you.) The key is not part of the name, and we could disambiguate Sonata just as well by the instruments first and the key second. And number three: why Schubert, while we have his distinct catalogue? Answers here or perhaps better on Classical music. - When I have a question for only one user I go to that user's talk, but have been told there to go article talk instead soooo many times that I tried to avoid step one of futility. A RM is the last thing I'd want, bringing in comments from people who have no idea about the subject. - Milkunderwood, hop on here, perhaps, - that's why I spend my time these days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I may have given a possible answer to your third question, Gerda: relative familiarity, or not, with catalogue abbreviations among English speakers. Or simply less familiarity with Schubert than with Mozart or Bach. And I think I did address your second question, as I understand the situation based on my very limited exposure to names given to music pieces - that is, in general, modern common English usage, irrespective of what a composer or original publisher may have used; irrespective as well of either logic or consistency. That same answer probably applies equally to your first question. And would also explain a question you did not ask. That is: why is no key given in the article title for Piano Sonata No. 14 (Beethoven)? Again, modern common English usage, where (frequently inconsistent) post hoc numbering takes precedence, and obviates the need for specifying the key.
 * And, keep in mind that inconsistency is a hallmark of Wikipedia. One of my own bugbears is if you ever go to a "Help:IPA/[language]" to find an English approximation, there is no consistency at all in the English words chosen to illustrate the sound, from one foreign language to another; people just make up their own. (For that matter, I've always felt that the Common Name stricture for article titles is disastrous, and unencyclopedic - that's what redirects are for, to show a searcher for "moonlight sonata" the piece's proper name. But for stuff like this, there's the US expression "You can't fight City Hall" - the bureaucracy always wins.) Milkunderwood (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, helped on four questions. The bureaucracy installing teh rulez for a system of inconsistency is perhaps the most ironic aspect, and my answer, given early in the original discussion: create the redirects to how others might call a piece. Some like it short, some like it long. I'm also inconstent, still using Sparrow Mass because I like flowers and birds ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Trumpet-toned

 * Secrecy, I am come to lock all fast sung by John Whitworth, YouTube - just found his by Moonraker on my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jürgen Holtz
— Wug·a·po·des​ 21:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC) 12:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Das Jahr steht auf der Höhe
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank You
I have seen your 'Precious" awards over the years but I never thought I would qualify. Thank You. Eschoryii (talk) 02:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed your thoughts on BBB23, to whom I never gave it so far, because he blocked too many of my friends, - justified of course ;) - You all: when you notice someone did something precious, give them the award! Someone to BBB23, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am going to add you to my like list along with Xeno. Now there are two. I studied in Basel, Switzerland in 1970 and so I notice your German across the Wiki world. Eschoryii (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel highly honoured by that exclusivity! Consider Precious my like list ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ludwig Finscher
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Elza van den Heever
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Honan
It might be the time soon. Am surrounded by all the books and ready to go. EEng did a serious copy-edit. But gulp as always! Ceoil (talk) 08:32, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm ready to look tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sound, have also asked KPL for his expretise in this. I know that have been pushing it re number of images, but am open to loosing some :) Ceoil  (talk) 11:12, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jeffrey Kurtzman
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Claude Mercier-Ythier
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Precious edits
...at Hans-Jochen Vogel. Thanks a lot. De728631 (talk) 13:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I liked to do that, wish I had more time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rheinsberg Music Academy
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Current countries
Hi Gerda,

what do you mean by exactly what you stated in the edit log? In the majority of articles, I met vast linkig of present-day countries, even when a historic one should be linked instead...so I really don't understand what do you meant by never....(KIENGIR (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC))


 * When you search for a guideline, it usually helps to put WP at the beginning, WP:OVERLINK, and read under "What generally should not be linked": countries. So, admitted, "never" was too strong, but edit summaries are no bible ;) - If you see links to current countries, and their capitals, feel free to remove them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Here must be a huge misunderstanding :), I certainly know how to find guidelines, but was not expecting they are so rarely followed in the pages I met. Clear.(KIENGIR (talk) 07:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC))
 * I wholeheartedly agree with the letter and spirit of WP:OVERLINK, but it can be argued that in an article about Mozart's nationality links to Austria and Germany may be appropriate. It would take an interested reader a long time to distil the relevant background information from those links, and the article itself does a good job of providing that background. So there are arguments in both directions. On balance, I agree that those links are not needed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Gerda. I'm just posting to let you know that List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for August 21. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Or here, User:Giants2008? Firstly, this is an honour, for Brianboulton who wrote the articles, and Aza24 who made most of the list, and for me. It's a first for me, my second attempt at FL, and the first successful. Date considerations: firstly, the topic is up for featured topic, and I'd want to have that closed before it appears, hopefully also successful. (Review! Close!), and secondly, Monteverdi's Vespers are requested to appear as TFA on 1 September, and I wonder if that would be the perfect day for the operas also, or rather not. Blurb considerations: should they go to the talk of the proposal? I wouldn't want to end with the sentence about some lost operas, rather the master pieces, so change the order a bit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


 * September 1 isn't going to be an option, because that is a Tuesday and TFLs run on Mondays and Fridays. If there's something special from the lead of the article that you want in the blurb, please feel free to edit it, as you'd know more about the most important elements of the topic than I would. I moved one sentence on the lost operas so that the blurb wouldn't end with it, but you may wish to go further. As for the FTC closing, I'd be surprised if it was still open in a few weeks' time the way it's going, although I admit to lacking knowledge on how quickly the typical FTC goes through the process. Assuming that it passes, we can add a link to the topic in the blurb; let me know if it passes and I'll be glad to take care of it. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Independently, Aza24 moved a blurb to the nomination. Please check if that could be used, as is or modified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Theo Akkermann
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Massenet operas
Sorry I took a while. Been kind of ignoring my talk page due to being kinda... distractable.

I'd say Bacchus (opera) because the article is weakest and I already found some good sources: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530487303/f7.image.r=Bacchus%201909 - if translated - would vastly improve the article with a sourced plot summary, which it very much lacks - plus, we have the set designs for almost all the scenes. There's also https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8405793p.r=Bacchus%20Massenet?rk=107296;4 as a source. Ariane (Massenet) also needs some bulking up, but there's more details there already, while Bacchus is really weak. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 01:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

As for my favourite Massenet opera? Probably Werther or Cendrillon, though I do love Le Cid's music (I just haven't seen it performed yet). But I don't think he really wrote much that can be considered bad. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 01:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Fine, Adam, Bacchus then. First step: no lead image of the composer but from the opera! (Look at the others fo the same.) Sadly not more in French about Bacchus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I found some reviews. Linking just the first page for each of them - there's a button on the right to go to the next page:
 * https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5618206c/f3.image.r=Bacchus%20Massenet?rk=64378;0


 * There's loads more. I can probably go back and continue searching from https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k46408589/f2.image.r=Bacchus%20Massenet?rk=665239;2 if you want more; I know enough French to research, but not enough to translate and summarise. But I'd imagine that's a start.


 * Honestly, I think this is why I find Bacchus so fascinating. It's a wonderful mystery of the past, and there's ways in to find it, but they're all in a language I don't know.


 * Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 06:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! How about moving the links of reviews to the opera's talk page? I hope we can win LouisAlain to participate, but on the other page it would be more open to all. For the next days, I have plans already. Go ahead! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Copying it over there! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 06:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

summer greetings
Thanks for all you do! :) --LilHelpa (talk) 23:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color:#E6E6FA; border: 1px solid #7D00B3; margin: 0.5em auto; padding: 0.5em; width:90%; text-align: center"> Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - I remember well, first article deleted within minutes, but then I received great help, first by Cmadler, then Michael Bednarek (see above), LilHelpa (see just above), Jerome Kohl, and all you others (in the order of appearance). Thank you! (If I think I missed you, let me know, right here. )-Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

 * Thank you, more detail above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago
Thank you for your many years as one of Wikipedia's shining stars. Your exemplary work is greatly appreciated! M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  07:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, blushing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulation! Grimes2 (talk) 08:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and even more for updating Leon Fleisher! A nice gift: Monteverdi's operas are a featured topic now!! We can't thank Brian enough for being such an inspiration, still! DYK, today is also his day of Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago ;) - Thank you, Aza, for the initiative to honour him. Giants2008, letting you know for the FLN above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Bon anniversaire.
I got a reminder.

So I hope you are well, and you can't say I forgot.

Take care.

Begoon 19:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * How lovely to see you "alive". 'cause missing the dead is bad enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Leon Fleisher

 * Thank you, another gift today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Johannes Schüler
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hugo Thielen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Waldemar R. Röhrbein
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Liselotte Funcke
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We struggled about the hook for the first woman in that position and as minister of economy where I grew up, and livin that for life, not only in the 1980s. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Marianna Martines
Hi Gerda, I'm going by current sheet music and CDs, but do you think WP:COMMONNAME for this composer is Martines or Martinez? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK nom World Heritage Site
Hi, thanks for having assisted me in creating an appropriate DYK hook for World Heritage Site, today visible at the Main Page! It stands on top, and I don't regret that it is accompanied by the not-so-flashy emblem, haha. Cheers, Kareldorado (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, including to haha. I just thought we might have more unusual pictures, such as a little above, which thank goodness was also taken, but one will have suffered ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cantate!
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Freuet euch der schönen Erde
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

3RR
Your recent editing history at Psalm 149 shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Really, use the article's talk page instead of edit summaries for discussing if you don't agree. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh how lovely!! You don't understand WP:BRD, I revert you a second time because of that, and you - of all people - tell me to not . Cantate!
 * Your recent edit history shows that you remove an information on your talk which concerned you and nobody else, about me planning to write Singt dem Herrn ein neues Lied. When I was done, I ran into edit conflict, because in the meantime, you had created Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, and used the other for a redirect. So, I left the content at Singt dem Herrn ein neues Lied (1941), because the author is not known (and had not much time to think). You moved that. - Other topic, the one above: you removed the infobox on Psalm 149 which had been, which I am sure is a bold move, reverted by me, but you reverted back, out of process imho, and now a third time. The matter should not be discussed on that article's talk page, but on Talk:Psalms, because improving the psalms, including addition of an infobox, is discussed there. Cantate! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, please stop your WP:CANVASSing (now on some other users' talk pages too): this is really not how you should behave. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Bringing the matter to my attention —as an uninvolved admin— is not canvassing. Your edit warring on a matter subject to discretionary sanctions risks imminent sanctions. El_C 15:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * User talk:Fylbecatulous: enchantment --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Benjamin Britten
Note that England is not a state, it's a component part of the UK. If I wrote something like "Napoleon decided to leave Seine-Maritime", a reader would rightly make the assumption that he was not necessarily leaving France. English people - and indeed people from other countries - often make the error of thinking that England is synonymous with the UK. It's not. Britten didn't leave England, he left the country altogether. The amendment was an uncontroversial correction. Deb (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please take that to the article talk. The main authors of that (featured) article said English, and one is dead, so can not explain any more. Who says it means a state? I might say Bavarian, which is not a state, but more precise than German, when it comes to cultural background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Saying he "left the UK" is unnecessary when the line before "In April 1939 Britten and Pears sailed to North America, going first to Canada and then to New York" implies clearly that he left England for North America, not just to Wales or something. He left England and returned to England – in my mind saying that he left and returned to the UK would imply that he spent much time in many parts of the UK (like he did with the US in New York, Boston, Chicago and San Francisco) rather than just England. Aza24 (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey dear one, I am worried you are unhappy with me over the kingdom of Germany thing. I haven't heard from you since then. I'll take it out if you think I should. It's okay if it's something else going on, but of all the people on WP, I can't stand the idea of you being upset with me most of all. Tell me how to fix it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not upset with you! ... perhaps a bit that you can think that ;) - Look around, I'm just busy. Today, I wanted to upgrade an article article a friend started, had to expand one today or never for DYK, and then a great person died. Plus real life ;) - Take the short-lived kingdom out, yes, please. Yesterday we sang a song about singing a new song, after months of not singing it, - I spontaneously wrote about it, - see talk, and never again think that I'm upset about you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose the isolation is getting to me and making me paranoid--at least "that's my story and I'm sticking to it." That's a quote from a song--just for you. :-) You are always busy and still generally find time to keep in touch--it's part of why I admire and love you so much. So I will emulate you--but in a more positive fashion from now on. Glad you are getting to sing again. I wish I were doing something!  I will go remove that 'short-lived kingdom.' Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can sing! Just where you are, for yourself. It's both fun and healthy. - I sang a bit every day, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, blushing a bit. Did you see 3RR above? I enjoy the softer tones ;) - DId you know that Erich Gruenberg was the lead violinist for Sgt. Pepper? I didn't, and keep learning? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Erich Gruenberg: Palestine Orchestra
The article mentions the orchestra of the Palestine Broadcasting Corporation -- would this in fact be the Palestine Broadcasting Service Orchestra, which later became the Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra? I'm not sure, though, or how to find out. How extraordinary that he led it when he was 14! --- Robina Fox (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, seems convincing, especially with the Menachem Pressler photo, but - I checked - the article said "Corporation", not "Service", and the Service orchestra possibly had a leader a bit older ;) - Feel free to investigate, everybody! Perhaps on the article talk? - I have a busy day, and won't be able to help much. - Nice to meet you, Robina! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I doubt that. Palestine Broadcasting Service Orchestra and Palestine Broadcasting Corporation Orchestra are two different orchestra's. Grimes2 (talk) 08:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi
It is perhaps odd that I'm coming back to this :) But I'm convinced we don't need the key above the table. We only added it because we removed the description section but everytime I go to the article I see this bulky key that is half the size of the table. I think that the headings are pretty self explanatory and the only "key" needed includes the "survived - fragments - libretto - lost" part - this can be solved by using "hover titles" on the other columns (like I have been in List of works by Leonardo da Vinci, if you hover over a column title). Let me know what you think. Aza24 (talk) 09:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I'm suggesting something like this. Aza24 (talk) 02:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Look fine to me, but I don't know if we should change much, - no idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that the legend is unnecessary. I would not recommend explanations that are only revealed by mouse hovering – half of the readers don't have a mouse (portable devices). The only term that needs an explanation is 'SV' which can be linked. Aside: I don't think the table needs to be sortable. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think sortable at least for some fields is good, as chronology, status, SV and premiere arrive at different results. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I've kept the hover titles only for SV, status and period. A lovely waltz by Liszt (performed by his reincarnation) if either of you need a new piece to brighten your day... Aza24 (talk) 06:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Bright with dear company, so don't expect much until tomorrow, - nor me looking. Looking forward! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Article Rescue Barnstar
My third article was about a viola player, and someone thanked me for the DYK, and I remember ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Congrats! 🤣 Camy (talk) 14:08, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Ludwig Hoelscher
Hi Gerda, I just promoted this for an August 23 birthday appearance. I'm wondering, though, what is the point of all your birthday requests? The subject can't be around to celebrate it. Do music lovers really care when they were born? Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I prefer to celebrate birthdays to days of death. The world celebrates the birthday of Beethoven all year this year, - some celebrated my birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rheinsberg (story)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Stephanus, Bork
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I went to that church for three funerals of beloved people, and never looked at the architecture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 19
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Kreuzkapelle, Bad Camberg, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Chapel of the Holy Cross.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That one is intentional. Perhaps it should be an article instead of dab. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bernard Ładysz
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured list 21 August 2020
Note to self and Aza, with thanks, in memory of Brian. See Today's featured list/August 21, 2020 and 21 August 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! One more feather for you highly decorated cap.--Ipigott (talk) 09:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but the crown goes to Brian who wrote the articles listed, and to let his work shine was the only intention. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Monteverdi
Congrats, Gerda! Is there anything I can do to help? I'm not having great luck with illustrations for Monteverdi, but I can do what I can. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 20:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Scores would be good. The one planned for the 1 September TFA is such an eye-opener. Like for Bach, we only have an image of him old. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Einer ist unser Leben

 * Your submission of Einer ist unser Leben has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Also, congratulations on the featured topic you have been working on. A great achievement. CMD (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ludwig Hoelscher
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

When you get back inside
...and if you have time, would you please take a look at Debra Cheverino?? Feel free to make any fixes you deem necessary. I hope the sunshine where you are today is as beautiful as where I am today (and have been since February). Warmest regards...<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 17:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Back from biking to Obernhof, and seen the chapel on top from the train back, and mercifully little sun, - too hoot until yesterday: Atsme, I hope there's no rush, because I have to complete the nom for another church and promised myself to begin a third, and LouisAlain keeps me busy with translations. Read about Monteverdi's operas (see a bit above) while you wait, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Whenever you have time - no deadlines here, sweetie pie. I'm in the middle of creating 2 new articles myself, and trying to help with the NPP backlog while working on some lead improvement projects (Cleavage (breasts) being one of them). And here I am, happily retired from the madness of television production/scriptwriting thinking I could fill some of the void retirement thrusts upon us by editing WP where there are no deadlines. SMirC-chuckle.svg While the latter may be true for the most part, the overabundance of work on WP fills much more than a simple void in one's day; rather, it consumes the whole day...if you let it. A nice bike ride sounds fun, and so does a dip in the ocean. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  Talk 📧 19:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Understand! The other day, I met cleavage for the first time, - there was a link from the Farrah Fawcett iconic poster which I cut (actually removing the whole sentence) as not helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * this is what I saw, much improved in the meantime! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow! Our work on the Cleavage is really spreading, aye? So nice to see the hardwork paying off. Thanks for the hand, looking forward to a great lead emerging. And thanks Grenda for the support.  Aditya (talk • contribs) 08:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kreuzkapelle, Bad Camberg
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 07:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Aza! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O Jesu Christe, wahres Licht
—valereee (talk) 16:19, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the personal delivery, valereee! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * lol...it was a learning experience. :D —valereee (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Asking
Tell me am i eligible for new page reviewer.--Prasanth202 (talk) 10:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea why you ask me, sorry, I know nothing about new page patrol, only that I often shake my head in disbelief about tagging and taking to draft space what only needs more references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Memory lane
28 August was one of my worst days here, due to arbcom. I heard a concert that night and seem to remember every drumming (Prokofiev!) expressing my feelings of utter despair. - I didn't know yet that an arb could change his mind after voting to ban, and one did, not the one though who had cast the most unspeakable vote. Relief. Then came the million award for Kafka, - the perfect comment. How I miss Khazar! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt
The article Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 22:41, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

IT'S NOT COOKIE MONSTER

 * very sweet, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

September Women in Red edithons
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Christlicher Bauarbeiterverband
I am distressed to see that there is no article even in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia about the Christlicher Bauarbeiterverband, Christlicher Holz- und Bauarbeiterverband (CHB), etc., at least that I can find. Sadly, although Ich bin von Milwaukee, I don't have the Deutsch to research or write such an article. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree Mike. Perhaps ask at project Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Violin Sonata No. 2 (Hindemith)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rhythm Is It!
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I remember well. Education of an energetic kind, for kids from many cultural backgrounds to work towards one goal, - a model for us all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Leuninger
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Michael, Fürth
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

TFA Monteverdi Vespers 1 September
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This article is about the Vespers for the Blessed Virgin, or Vespers of 1610, by Claudio Monteverdi. His opera L'Orfeo, premiered in 1607, is the first opera still widely performed, and the Vespers are similarly exceptional. Monteverdi, aspiring to a better positiom than court musician in Mantua, demonstrated the broad range of his abilities, writing with a post in Rome in mind, but instead went to San Marco, Venice, a few years later. We don't know if the music was ever performed completely during his lifetime, nor if he actually expected it to be performed that way. Certainly musicologists and musicians have been fascinated from the 20th century on. Monteverdi set much more text than the usual 5 psalms + Magnificat, and required a 10-part choir in one psalm, and a rich orchestra. He combined the ever-present Gregorian chant with dramatic and virtuoso elements from the emerging opera, and offered a great diversity in musical styles and expression. Here is a short introduction, - in the background you hear an extreme performance, a recording which renders only the music Monteverdi wrote (and no additions to make it a proper liturgical vespers service), with 10 singers, and soloists for all instruments. I heard them in concert at the Rheingau Musik Festival which will be missed this year.

The article is the work of many over many years ... The main inspiration came from Brian Boulton who wrote the articles about the composer and his operas, and who generously left me the sources he had collected, the greatest honour I received in my ten years here. (from the FAC)

(1 September 2020 - 1 September was the day of the dedication in 1610, and of our concert in 2019)

Congrats
On your TFA. I have enjoyed reading it. Altamel (talk) 06:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe one day you could do the same for Selva Morale e Spirituale? I think the Beatus Vir Primo is the best walking bass in musical history (fight me!). When we were rehearsing this, our conductor was ill one day so we had Robert Hollingworth dep for him. The band for the performance included the English Cornett and Sackbut Ensemble, and I am still friendly with some of them now, since my friend Catherine often books them for the concerts I do with her. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I wrote Selva, but would rather take the Brahms Requiem to FA. Struggling with Mass in B minor, since 2012, and Jesu, meine Freude (which I find even more defiant than the Brahms) right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Guy, what do you think about the thread a bit above, named Silence (which was much longer, archived), or - similar topic on ARCA which I revived today because I believe we really need to call a war ended that ended long ago, only some overlooked that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Schadeberg
Wow, an FA, DYK and ITN all on the same day would indeed have been a great Triple Crown (I wonder if that's been done before?). I understand your disappointment :( I'm really just speculating about why it's not been posted - it could just be a simple oversight and nothing to do with the image talk. There's a discussion right now about that perennial problem.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jürgen Schadeberg
I'm very glad to say I spoke too soon!-- P-K3 (talk) 18:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I should have quoted Günter Schabowski and said, "Post it sofort … unverzüglich!" – Sca (talk) 22:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Ha.


 * Thank you for what you did there, Sca. Some seem not too have understood the irony of 2090 though ;) - Flowers to come, - I was a bit too tired yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Theodor Scheidl
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Lingzhi
Thank you for watching my former user page. I am Lingzhi. I am done with Wikipedia. However someone emailed me and suggested that change to that user box. Would you please self-revert that edit? Thanks againOneOffUserName (talk) 02:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Lingzhi, it crossed my mind, but I was a bit in a rush, busy makink the Vespers known (see just above). Done, of course. I prefer you on to off, DYK? I just discoveed Funerary art on the way. Here is mine, and keeping the memory of Brian is another way. You are remembered each time I pass Impact, and the moment I received the image is fresh in my memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Appreciation
Hi there! I hope you don't mind that I nominated your dahlia image as a quality image since it is really awesome! I've just read about infobox thangs but whatever, you're really kind and compassionate and I just wanna give you a virtual embrace for all the "blood", sweat and tears done here (And of course D Y K). Did you know ... that I have an appreciation list on my userpage? Do talk soon :D Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Vincent. You received my everlasting embrace years ago, remember? - Tears were few, when Dreadstar died (see Impact, just above), and when Boris died (top of 2019 archive, and quote and link therin). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yea, and I remember looking at Boris's article too, good times. We do love embraces don't we :D Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 14:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Vera Little
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Flowers
Gerda, are we having a May to September romance? – Sca (talk) 14:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All year if you want ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Vorsicht: Bald werde ich 73. Sca (talk) 15:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wann? Mein Tag ist kein Geheimnis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll keep you posted. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Kurt Forest
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * quite a life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

German composer help
I expanded Leonhard Lechner, but I was wondering if you would be able to contribute an English translation of the two works that I added to the article. I also wouldn't mind if you decided to work on the article because you are the expert, and I can't read any German sources. SL93 (talk) 07:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * SL93, yes, but not right now. Out for the day, need to expand and nominate for DYK two articles by a friend today, rescue two others soon (nominated for deletion), want to expand two articles for GA and one for FA, soon, review a FAC, expand a great singer, - pleasantly busy. Perhaps it helps that we usually don't translate work titles, only descriptions, "violin" for "Violine". Perhaps go to project Germany or Project classical for help with that? Or look at other articles for inspiration? You may find some at User:Gerda Arendt/2020 - After having written all that I see it's only 2, so the answer is yes after all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you taking the time during your busy schedule to edit the article. Thank you. SL93 (talk) 08:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We should expand Lechner further, for DYK, how is that? Over the next few days perhaps. out right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be great. SL93 (talk) 19:44, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kurt Szafranski
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Reinhard Kager
You notice my new translations faster than I make them. And yet... I've stopped linking to cities where not a single iota will be found about the subject of the articles. LouisAlain (talk) 12:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Better link to all towns other than capitals and New York City. It's to inform readers who have no idea in what surroundings someone grew up to change that. I have relatives in Graz, even wrote an article on one, DYK? - Please, for accessibility, end the line-break thing formally (at least on my talk page) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Das Wandern ist des Müllers Lust
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rudolf Hindemith
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I wondered if "relationship" might not work better here than "relation" but it might just be my flaky grasp of English. I'm shutting tf up now. DBaK (talk) 08:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Yesterday's horrible news
What a huge huge loss. I didn't even know him that well, but I am devastated. DBaK (talk) 08:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So am I. - We talk about the memory of Jerome Kohl, with whom I had good conversations over ten years, - many topics, such as Schnebel (he said: "Sad to see another great music maker gone") and Stockhausen's Originale which I saw, and he said "Fantastic! What an experience it must have been! Thank you for telling me!". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Silence
While I agree with the sentiments of this post, I think it's worth quoting a bit of Ignore all dramas : "Say something there only if you can say it well and politely, and it helps all concerned, causing no further harm." I have to say that for those who understand what you mean, you're telling them something they already know, and for those who don't (or don't want to), you're just going to antagonise them : "none so deaf as those who will not hear". Let those who want to tear each other's heads off do so and go about your business improving the encyclopedia; hopefully when the dust is settled around the charred remains of burned-out editors, some may think "you know what, we really should have looked at that picture of a kitten after all". <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You just caused further harm sadness. I replied to a post on your talk, where I had mentioned silence, and (instead of silence) was questioned further. Silence please. I miss a great person. There's a picture of a kitten, - hope you like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, please look around. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand it's upsetting to hear that friends, colleagues etc. have died. However, there's a line between being upset and using it as a stick to beat other people with. For example, here when I was trying to make the point that the COVID-19 pandemic was putting severe strain on people's mental health, going as far as suicide (and somewhat ironically, I had User:Gerda Arendt/User talk before you block at the forefront of my mind there); however, using someone's death as a device to win an argument on Wikipedia is not acceptable and I shouldn't have done it. In the case you mention above, the point Cassianto and others were making is that there is an intractable and seemingly unresolvable dispute that doesn't seem able to resolve itself, and it would be a huge boost for the project for somebody to cut the Gordian Knot and allow things to progress. But taking a stand on a difficult issue as an admin means you get a target on your back by anyone who doesn't agree with it. I think that's the point Cass was getting at; hoping the issue will go away is the simplest issue, but not necessarily the right one. It's different from ignoring individual drama queens who draw attention to themselves. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you misunderstood completely, and lack of good faith is what's missing most in the sad repeated discussions. I mentioned respectful stance towards each other as the cure Jerome lived, and we should follow. I said again and again that I don't want ANYBODY sanctioned, because I think this is exactly the opposite of a respectful look at a user's comments. I am not even IN that argument, have refrained to say support or oppose in the two (and no more!) RfCs of 2020. So what do you mean by "winning" it? (rhetoric question) I disliked taking one person to AE, yes, for the reasons explained, that was one too many, imho. - I told you my solution about a cutting of the Gordian knot: don't participate, let it dry out. Who cares at the end of the day if a certain article has an infobox, or if it is collapsed? I don't. If we'd all stop to care we were done with the topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * see also tributes - we should write his article --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have made a start here. I'd like to give a fuller reply to the above at some point later today, but for now I'll reference this quotation : "It takes a lot of courage to stand up to your enemies. It takes even more to stand up to your friends." <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no enemies, and request everybody thinking I am their enemy to please let's talk about it. I stand up for those new to the discussions "welcomed" is if they were not (two more on Mozart recently, by the way). Sure, some may be not so new, but would it really hurt to treat them as if they were? And that's about all I'd like to see changed, in the spirit described. Is that general enough? - In case you defend your walk to AE, I believe you could find ways to stand up for your friends that don't deliver someone else, potentially innocent, to the [insert word of disgust] of AE. - Could you please let me know that you understand that I used my dead friend as a model, not as a stick? Because that really hurt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, I'm sorry you were upset about that, and it was not my intention to do so; it's just when I get off-wiki complaints saying "Why can't you do something about Gerda?" (when from my point of view you are a prolific content creator, extremely kind and patient, caring and considerate) then I feel I at least need to spell the issue out so there's awareness of it. I used the quotation above because I'd like to consider you a friend on the project, and as it says, it takes courage to try and resolve an issue involving one of your friends when you think it may upset them. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So you support my point that there's too little good faith, expressed in offline and online aspersions. Made my day! - I consider you a friend, but telling me I have anything to with a stick and "heads off" wasn't exactly an expression of what I understand as friendship ;) There's a long history of the infobox wars on our project page, ending (bottom line, and hopefully last line ever) "In 2020, we could realise that we have more productive things to do than waste time in arguments about infobox yes or no." (February 2020) - Could you perhaps coordinate steps in getting there? Get the people together, - and I think you are on speaking terms with all involved? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think my point is more that text communication is a difficult mechanism to convey what you actually mean (as opposed to what the other person thinks you mean) and it is too easy for people to misunderstand each other. All I would say is - concentrate on the articles. I see you have got two DYKs on the main page today, as have I. Focus on that. As stated above, I have started Draft:Jerome Kohl with a one sentence microstub off a single source; we'll need several more serious quality sources to demonstrate WP:PROF or WP:GNG; if you've got them, put them and we'll see what we can do. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Text communication is difficult. Please go over my New Year's resolution, below the TOC, and tell me if anything is unclear. - I wrote about 130 DYK articles this year (not counting a FA and a few GAs), and commented (no more, not even taking a side, just commenting a futile waste of time) in 2 RfCs, and you tell me to focus on content, really? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

It crossed my mind that Licht - Jerome's great work - matches my topic of the year - vision - perfectly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

It crossed my mind further that perhaps I should not be silent about being just an observer of the infobox wars (or however they might be called). I was wounded, and had enough, deciding to step away in 2015. - Let's look at the current discussion. It could have been so short. Nominator presents reasoning per the MoS to uncollaps an infobox, asking for good reasons not to follow the MoS in the specific case. There are no good (= factual) reasons. So instead, we argue about not so good reasons, on several noticeboards, with rising heat. I try to be silent but sometimes the level of frustration is too high. It's a complete waste of everybody's time. The simple answer to a good proposal could be "Why not?" - The Autobahnkirche Siegerland is a place for silence. Thank you for watching, made nice stats. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Matthias Hölle
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

This DYK was worded as a greeting to my friend Jerome Kohl who wrote all we know about Stockhausen and works. It became a tribute in memoriam, In Freundschaft. The piece was played at a concert dedicated to William Waterhouse. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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a minute of silence

Did you know ... that Matthias Hölle, a regular bass singer at the Bayreuth Festival, appeared in the world premieres of Stockhausen's Donnerstag aus Licht and Samstag aus Licht at La Scala in Milan? (8 September 2020)

... that cellist, composer, and conductor Rudolf Hindemith was the brother of the famous Paul Hindemith, with whom he played in the Amar Quartet, but later used pseudonyms to hide the relation? (7 September 2020)

DYK
Would you be willing to take care of the DYK for 1789 Virginia's 5th congressional district election? It is not quite finished, there is work to be done on the aftermath and legacy, but it's in usable shape. The obvious hook would be the final sentence of the first lead paragraph.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but not now, see above. 6 Sep - we have some time. Remind me if it escapes me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The Live Debut?
Hi, I’m really sorry if I’m a little pest at the moment haha but how’s the live debut rehearsals going? (DYK) :3 Hope to hear soon :D Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 22:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but not now, see above about my mood, and please help me with a link, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Here u go! I actually thought I would have been more a pest for inserting the link earlier and that I would look insensitive. Much love <3 Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 15:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Normally I know my reviews, but sorry, my mind was somewhere else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hanna Ludwig
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Joan Arden Murray
Hello! You might have a glance at the list of articles on artists that have been created by User:Joan arden murray. Scroll down on her user page. She is quite a precious asset, I would say.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll look, but am out today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Autobahnkirche Siegerland
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC) Thank you, - one of my places ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As you did ask for me to keep a look out, I fixed the fact tags. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's excellent, Ritchie, thank you! Biking Weikersheim to Wertheim, a first for me, also excellent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I took almost the same pic, evening, someone leaning out the right window, - perhaps I'll upload it, - of course I believe that mine is better ;) - nice stats for the place of silence, 9.707. Thanks all for interest! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library
Hi Gerda, the Library Card Platform now offers free access to MGG Online (and also Grove Music Online). It might be useful for your work. Grimes2 (talk) 11:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Simone Schröder
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Johanna André
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

For what it's worth...
When I leave red links with no help to get to the orginal German article, it is an indication that I will turn these links blue the same day the new article was created or within days. When I use the ... template it means I won't. Z.B heute Beate Albrecht comes from Kurt Johnen. I keep a list of the links to be turned blue.

Sometimes ago, you asked me not to use (or was it to use?) a certain template (on your talk pages. You know how thick I can be and I didn't figure out what you meant.LouisAlain (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * When I plan to nominate for DYK, I can't expect a reviewer to know your intentions ;) - Of course, normally I don't (nominate the same day but a week later), but today is different. Listening to Beethoven op. 111 (about which Thomas Mann wrote in Doktor Faustus, referring to Wiesengrund = Adorno, remember). - For a new line, don't put just "br" between the html brackets, but "br /" (to close it properly), not only on my talk pages, but everywhere, - the signature of my much-missed friend Br'er Rabbit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Klaviermusik mit Orchester
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, just what I needed. (Funeral 17 September, in Munich, where the memorial is.) Thank you also for excellent copy-editing. The article is the result of many users working together, - I hope they watch here. I couldn't believe - prompted by the death of his nephew - that he had no article. I love that music, sung in Hannover and Wiesbaden. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the setting of this text in Brahms' Ein Deutsches Requiem. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's what we mean. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, lovely. Thank you for taking advice on board! I gave advice in another case, but the main author didn't listen, and it was deleted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Moop Mama
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

listen to Meermenschen (people from the sea), in rehearsal --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Leuninger
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Anniversary
Hi, Gerda, thank you for the reminder of the Precious Anniversary. Attempting to write coherent, meaningful, well-referenced articles for WP is one of my chief joys. You are one of the very few WP editors whose musical opinion I respect, and I wonder if you could take a look (during your busy schedule) at Elements of music and let me know what you think? I may be wasting my time. Very best wishes, MinorProphet (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll check but it may take some days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look, and see the work of many, with many ref errors, - at least a consistency fix is worth trying. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Sechs Lieder, Op. 59 (Mendelssohn)
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Peanuts Gallery
M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  06:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * PEANUTS WEWWWWWWWWW Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 08:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

About DYK, sigh
Hi Gerda, I just want to say I am really very sorry that I may have been a little responsible on causing perhaps a little drama in the review process. However, I just want to rant that I am just so exhausted when people butt in to rush things up when I have perfectly given you the time you needed to process all of this. Sigh, I hope there is something I can cheer you up with. Much love <3 Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 08:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * no drama, just peanuts compared to matters of life and death - for peanuts look here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ngaw :3 But I am very glad I walked out of it now. It's way better. As once a wise man said (we all know who it is), IAD (ignore all dramas). Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Another one: going to reply to this here as well uwu. Yes, of course I remember. Unfortunate that I never worked with him on any, he looked charming, like a legendary prince, in his sexiest ever toga ;) . Vincent LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1789 Virginia's 5th congressional district election
M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  00:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Johannes Evangelist
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

St. Johannes Evangelist
You had me excited/nostalgic there for a moment when I saw your edit to Portal DYK -- in the 1980s I was an altar boy at St. Johannes Evangelist, but a different one :) Happy editing, —Kusma (t·c) 20:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Small world! Do you still live in that area? Congrats to your DYK stats yesterday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I still have family there and usually visit at least three times per year, but this year I haven't left England since January... —Kusma (t·c) 09:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing! I took 2 pics yesterday, did you see at Kreuzkapelle? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Very nice, looks like perfect weather for a little tour! —Kusma (t·c) 12:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's an annual pilgrimage, - good company. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Leonhard Lechner
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

A little help with Tschaikovsky Pas de Deux?
Hey Gerda. I came across the article Tschaikovsky Pas de Deux (the spelling of the composer is intentional) I'm certain that among the articles I can't request for deletion, this is the worst one. It has a lot of information but most of the sources are dead and there's an entire section that's basically personal opinion / original research. Do you mind take a look at the article and see whether I should go BATHWATER or rewrite the entire thing? Corachow (talk) 15:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No recent edits. I'd tread carefully and make the needed changes. For POV, make a note on the talk that if no references will supplied within a week, the section will be deleted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Someone had noted about that section in January, so I think it's safe to delete the entire thing now. I'll work on the page within this week. Corachow (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Solang es Menschen gibt auf Erden
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Dutchness
ObMusic: I have subscribed for commissions from Gabriel Jackson and Peter Maxwell Davies. My dearest friend is a Dutchman, music director of the Westerkerk in Amsterdam. He taught me to love the music of Vic Nees, Ton de Leeuw and Daan Manneke (and of course, Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck) alongside that of Bach, Biber and Brahms. Solang es Menschen gibt auf Erden delights me in every way, though it will probably never displace spem in alium (better than the Striggio 40-part mass) or Ein Deutsches Requiem, which I think is the greatest chorlied ever written - I would rate den alles fleisch above the Lacrymosa of Mozart and even rivalling Bach's Singet despite my notorious soft spot for that. Anecdote: I have a friend who had never been to a classical concert. I had a spare ticket for the BBC Symphony Orchestra and Chorus [a friend sang with them] for a concert conducted by Jiří Bělohlávek; the first half was Martinu (obvs) and the second half the Deutsches Requiem. It was a delight to see Kim literally on the edge of his seat, captivated and ultimately blown away by the sheer emotional intensity of the Brahms. Honestly, I prefer the four-hands piano reduction, but it was a privilege to introduce someone to the full experience. Denn alles Fleisch is 100% on my Desert Island Discs list. Real heart on sleeve stuff.

But so much for banter. We have an article on Chris Sherwin, whose edits I remember mostly for being tendentious and leading to a topic ban. This was created by a Wiki-friend. Why do we not have an article on the foremost scholar of Stockhausen? Surely Jerome passes WP:PROF handily? Guy (help! - typo?) 22:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Last first: please - everybody - help with Draft:Jerome Kohl!! - my friend with whom I struggled often, and won Maxwell Davies ;) - The Brahms Requiem was the piece our conductor chose for his last concert (last row, 2nd from right). - It was on my mind for last week's funeral, and helped. - I have a soft spot for the Trotz (defiance) in Jesu, meine Freude which was my only reaction to being misunderstood in the infobox case. I believe that - if there ever was a war - it was over long ago, just some still enjoy it - or what? Still curious about a thought about "Silence" where I pointed out that the question "Could we make some info that's in the article a tad easier to see for the disabled?" was answered in a load of comments on several boards as if the world would collapse if yes. And I'd say "why not?" (if I wasn't branded as an infobox warrior and remain silent, just pointing at article history, ten years of yes, five years of no. And one who said yes was blocked. And one who sayd "yawn" saw a reason to leave when common sense prevailed). But no one has time to write the article on Jerome, instead??? - Alois Ickstadt is 90 today! Great to see someone whose article you started still alive!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I actually have a signed score by Max with my son's name in the list of dedicatees. It's one of two pieces of new music I have subscribed to commission, the other was by Gabriel Jackson (who is hilarious fun to be with).
 * I'm with you on the correct response to dem alten Drachen. My favourite recording is by the Hilliard Ensemble. Our previous conductor's swansong with us was the B Minor - he is now chorusmaster of the Hallé. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:49, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The B minor was second-to-last for Erhard Egidi (who conducted Trotz the night before my grandfather's funeral), his last was Matthäuspassion. - Reminds me of an old promise. Dona nobis pacem. I sang that in the U.S. the day before the Irac war ultimatum. They didn't hear us, not the drummer nor the minute of silence for peace at the reception afterwards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I started St. Gallus, Flörsheim, where Ickstadt worked (B minor!), and Andreas Großmann still works, and where the organ is older than the Rococo church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I started St. Gallus, Flörsheim, where Ickstadt worked (B minor!), and Andreas Großmann still works, and where the organ is older than the Rococo church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hildegard Uhrmacher
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Florence Wickham
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and in Germany meant the Royal Court Theatre in Wiesbaden, in 1900? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Could we have a 'Gerda's monthly newsletter'?
Hello Gerda, I'm a 'first-time caller, long-time listener' of your one-of-a-kind work here at Wikipedia. I wanted to ask you if you would consider creating a weekly or monthly newsletter that anyone can subscribe to? The proposed newsletter would basically include: Just think about it. Thank you for reading.  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  09:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * one beautiful themed/seasonal image of your choice
 * one inspiring quote/words of wisdom/specially-themed greetings of your choice
 * one DYK of your choice
 * and your weekly or monthly thoughts/commentary (about anything Wikipedia-related)
 * Blushing. Well, this talk is my daily newsletter, and you are free to copy from it what you like. I have no extra time, and also no specific readership in mind which would direct my choices for such a thing. English is not my first language, so greetings, quotes and thoughts would be better in your hands. Feel free to pick what you like, or simply enjoy what's coming up here, no subscription needed ;) - Congrats to your rollbacker right, and enjoy my friend's Dobos Torte ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a great idea! No excuses about this second language nonsense, you write English like a native--no--better than half the natives!  It would be a lot of extra work for you--and what you would consider non-productive work--but what a wonderful thing it would be for the WP community!  Sigh--I realize it will never happen, but I will exist in the glow of imagining it for awhile longer.   Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, seriously, why don't you two use the heap of my talk page and extract something? You know where to find my monthly images. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha ha! I guess you told us!  Seriously, I never steal without asking first!   Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * and, here is a rough draft and sample *Issue#0* of the proposed monthly newsletter, in case Gerda decides, hopefully soon, to give it a try. Cheers,  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  07:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That looks great, and now why don't you just sign it and say you took it from my talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The proposed newsletter is "Gerda's monthly newsletter", this sample I presented is as far as I will go because I'm sure that your 374 talk page watchers want to hear more about what *you* have to say...in the upcoming Issue#1 ;-) Cordially,  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  08:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * These 374 know it all, so newsletter would be wrong, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that a monthly newsletter could also serve as a space for you to share with the Community a summary of your activities and contributions to Wikipedia in the month prior as well as a medium to talk about your current and future Wikipedia-related plans. But if the newsletter idea interests you then great, if not, no worries.  History DMZ  ( talk )+( ping )  11:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries then. I have QAI for the things to share with the community (including a monthly round of flowers for members), and this talk, and individual talk pages for things that concern me, and the Main page for sharing article content which is what I'm here for. You picked well, but the church needs a link ;) - You could continue to extract. Did you see how Jen did it? Next DYK: a park for I which I took pics, today's not yet uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I have to say I loved Gerda's first newsletter! If only she had actually written it!  But stealing and compiling from her actual posts is almost as good--then you can make comments as well--and she encourages it.  I'm sure she wouldn't mind if you took that on for her on a monthly basis! . She is already so good at keeping in touch with people that I can see why this would actually be kind of redundant for her.  Of course if she could do one of these and have a 'mailing list' it might actually save her time, but since keeping in personal touch is her priority, not saving time, we probably can't sell it that way either.  Nope, I'm afraid we're on our own with the newsletter.  Hey, we could just start writing each other once a month!  Hi!  I'm Jenhawk777!  We both love Gerda so that's a good basis for a new friendship right?  Write me anytime! . Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Organ Symphony No. 3 (Vierne)
Hello! Your submission of Organ Symphony No. 3 (Vierne) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Hi Gerda! Love that you used recording liner notes on this one! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Puppy
Obwohl ich eher ein Katzenmensch bin, freue ich mich, Ihnen diesen Welpen anbieten zu können. <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks">LouisAlain has given you a puppy! Puppies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Your puppy must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a puppy, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Spread the goodness of puppies by adding {{subst:Puppy}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message.

DYK for William R. Watson
—valereee (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Deiters
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Re: Precious anniversary
Thank you! You are always so thoughtful, bless you. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Laura Ward
Do you think Laura Ward, the pianist, is notable enough for an article? She just accompanied Denyce Graves at the Funeral of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. --- C &amp; C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What else did she do? The singer has too little lead, and too big images ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * C&C, she seems to be an accompanist above all, hardly mentioned in a review like this. Worked for Teatro Colon, best bio at a glance but all in Spanish, and small grey print, - no idea why they do that to readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nerotalanlagen
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I took two of the images in 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gerhard Weber (designer)
Hello -

Nice one on the DYK nomination. I was wondering if we could get one piece of information. How much was the contract worth? I thought I had seen it yesterday, but, I am not able to find it today.

The blurb can be re-written as:


 * ... that Gerhard Weber signed tennis player Steffi Graf, at age 17 for X Deutsche Marks (Y EUR in today's money) before her international success, to be an ambassador for the Gerry Weber fashion brand he had co-founded?

Ktin (talk) 22:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, co-worker on the article! Please say so right in the nomination. That would be the first in my 1,450k+ DYK to mention money, and we'd need conversion to US$ or UK pounds, I guess. The figure is in one of the sources, half a million DM. Yes, impressive, but I find his belief in a young promising girl more important. Vision is my topic of the year, did you see above? On top of that I pass the stadium when I go to see close family. Too bad we don't have an image of Steffi young. Perhaps we could say Wimbledon instead of international. GoodDay, what would you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't know. GoodDay (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks much. I did the conversion using an online calculator. 0.5M DEM would be ~0.45 EUR in today's moneys. But, the more I think of it, as much as the contract value could make the impact come through, the DYK hook as it stands right now is simple and tells the story well. Thanks for that.
 * Also, I just saw the topic of the year. Really like how you have topics of the year. e.g. the previous one being 'year of thanks'. It is a wonderful concept. You truly are a champion ambassador for this community! Ktin (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I just saw the topic of the year. Really like how you have topics of the year. e.g. the previous one being 'year of thanks'. It is a wonderful concept. You truly are a champion ambassador for this community! Ktin (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KartikeyaS (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Happier now that this is back from undeserved draft. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Eugène Szenkar photo
Hi Gerda, I saw this DYK nom and photo, so I went ahead and enhanced the contrast so it's not so pale &mdash; see File:Eugène Szenkar.jpg. If you prefer the original version, feel free to revert!  JGHowes   talk  23:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I love that, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hainer Hill
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Composer Guidance
Hi Gerda, Several questions: 1) I'm not sure I'm using the talk feature correctly. Is it better to respond on your talk page (like this) to something you posted on my talk page? 2) Where is the guidance about the common names of the composer? I will follow it, but I need to find out what it is. 3) Is there similar guidance about listing the works by the composer? The works are not always listed consistently in the original sources, though I try to standardize them in the wikipedia article. Thanks! T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll get back to you on your talk page, where we started. Thank you for coming over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Burg
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, there are so many great pictures of Robert Burg in Deutsche Fotothek that I don't know where to start. It's unfortunate it's such a short article, if it were longer, I'd like to put in half a dozen or more, even as is I think we can make room for a couple. Take a look: http://www.deutschefotothek.de/ete?action=addFilter&filter=bildnisse&term=Burg%2C%20Robert You can upload the ones you like, or just tell me which are the ones you like. --GRuban (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * All great, and we could make a gallery. I'm a bit pressed for time, - you have a good eye for these things, - he shouldn't be too small, and sometimes less is more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My first 3: Escamillo - Boris (reading the roll with a boy) - Falstaff (fingers up) - give all which show him the personal commonscat please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ --GRuban (talk) 21:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

FAC mentor
Hey, I saw you help newcomers when it comes to FA. I am new and would love your help on "Cups (song)" and how it can get FA status. If you can't, I totally understand! The Ultimate Boss (talk) 07:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking, and I'm willing but have no time before end of next week. I'm also not familiar with the topic, but think that sometimes is even an advantage. - (Now that I looked) I see that you already nominated and got positive response, so think you don't even need much help. I will probably just comment later, and recommend the review to my dear page watchers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Bafta cloth
Respected Sir,

I have recently created the subject page. Kindly see and advise. Thanks RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Kindly notice that I don't remember, and have no time for the next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sir, it's okay, Thanks RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Gerda is busy, may I offer some comments in her place? Many of these are small changes that I could just make, but I gather you are a relatively new editor (sort of: 8 years, but under 1000 edits), so doing it yourself will help you learn. All in all, a good start of an article, thank you for contributing to the encyclopedia! --GRuban (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Gerda is a female German name, and Sir is an address for men, I'm pretty sure you want "Madam", or "Ma'am", or "Ms. Arendt" ... or, to be honest, just "Gerda" will likely work. She's very kind, and probably won't take offense whatever you do.
 * 2) “ bafta ' - you probably want to correct that to "bafta" - straight, rather than curly, quotes (MOS:QUOTEMARKS), no spaces inside, and the same type at the beginning and end.
 * 3) [Term?] - I'm not sure why you put that there.
 * 4) Tic earliest Englishman to notice ’it ... - this is a quote, you want to make clear where it's from with a reference.(MOS:QUOTE) And are you sure "Tic" is correct, and not a typographical or text recognition error?
 * 5) Nicholas Downton (1614-1615) calls it "one of the pleasantest situated and strongest fortified cities in those parts, ... - this isn't really about the cloth any more, I'd remove this part. It might be suitable for the article Bharuch, or not, since that article is already fairly long, I didn't look in detail.
 * 6)  ‎Professor Beshara Doumani, Beshara Doumani, (1995). Rediscovering Palestine. 9780520917316. p. 73. - not clear why you want to use a book about Palestine as a source for Indian cloth, especially since you have two other sources for that sentence.
 * 7) Characteristics and use - this section doesn't have any references, at least one would be good.
 * 8)  "vol1_chapter05". www.columbia.edu. Retrieved 2020-10-01. - This seems to be a page from "Selections from Travels in India (1676) by Jean-Baptiste Tavernier, Baron of Aubonne, translated by Valentine Ball", and should be cited with more details. The Template:cite book form is admittedly a bit complex, but if you can't work it, at least write that information in text.
 * 9) Add a link to this article in BAFTA (disambiguation)
 * I should probably ping, so you notice this. --GRuban (talk) 16:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Firstly I am so sorry for addressing Ms. Gerda incorrectly but it was unintentionally. I am sincerely apologetic for the same. Secondly, I am really grateful for your time and in-depth analysis. I shall certainly correct the things as suggested. Thank you so much! RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * RAJIVVASUDEV, no problem, how would you know? - Saying just Gerda is fine with me. GRuban, many thanks. Feel free to represent me anytime ;) - Going to travel over the next days, with only sporadical presence here. If you see DYK coming up, it would be nice to watch for the day, - normally nothing much happens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ThanksRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Annette Jahns
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Marina de Gabaráin
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I added to the article an audio file of the hymn, done for piano. It's not difficult to change the instrument, tempo, etc. if you think it needs amending. I'll review the article in the next day or two. Amitchell125 (talk) 21:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gerhard Weber (designer)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Norma Wendelburg
Hi Gerda, Out of the 60+ female composers I have profiled so far, no one has received as many scholarships/fellowships as Norma! She got her undergraduate degree at Bethany College on scholarship, received fellowships to Tanglewood and to the Wellesley Composers Conference, a Fulbright scholarship to study in Europe, and residential fellowships to the MacDowell Colony and to the Huntington Hartford Foundation.

Other interesting female composers include Hilda Wilson (who published music under a man's name, "Douglas Hope") and Ann Wyeth McCoy of the famous N.C. Wyeth family. At least one of her compositions was performed by the Boston Symphony.

Thanks for your attention to female composers! T. E. Meeks (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC) T. E. Meeks

DYK for Einer ist unser Leben
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Louis Vierne
I remember your request about a text in French that could contain information worth adding to the English article. Actually, comparing the two versions, would have been a very heavy load of work (not withstanding the copyvio issues) so I just added the French text as a reference. Considering that the French article weighs over 170 ko against a paltry 13 ko in English and even less in German, this is a situation where I prefer to upend the whole thing by translation the original French article. Hope you undestand my position. Always ready for another commission though.

I also notice that you sometimes link to YouTube when I was told it wasn't accepted. So which is which ? And finaly, you may be interested in Agnes Stavenhagen. LouisAlain (talk) 10:12, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. YouTube is fine when properly licensed, but not as a reference. Great if you can just add the ref (by name) where something is supported, because I'd have a hard time telling where that is, not able to read the ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library
I got now access to RILM via Wikipedia Library. Surprise. I have also full access to Kutsch/Riemens Großes Sängerlexikon. (and MGG) You can register for free very easily here: https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ Grimes2 (talk) 10:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

QPQs
Hi, I went to WP:DYKN to do some reviews and see that you have four nominations with QPQs "to come". From my point of view, I have no desire to do a review and then wait for a QPQ. Perhaps you could bank up a supply of QPQs so you can do complete nominations? Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did one. Bedtime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Whilst we were on hold...
Hi, I agree I think we have a problem with changes made to the article since it was put on hold. As reviewer/nominator I want to tell the editor to allow us both to complete the review before such changes are made, as I don't wish to go right through the GAN process for this article twice. Fyi the only remaining points to address before passing were:
 * Ref 1 (Kirschbaum) says it was one of Gerhardt’s last sunsongs. a point worth noting I think (Sonnen-Liedern may be a term unique to his compositions—if so, I would use this).
 * ...calls for cheerfulness. - doesn’t seem to be verified by Ref 1 (Kirschbaum).
 * and anything else either of us want to add or amend. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 15:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, tomorrow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Symphonie en la mineur (Vierne) (1)
I've tried my luck at this one but have met unexpected problems... I can't drop the "(1)" from the title for example. Also, I'm very tired and not fit to complete the task right now. Yet, the bulk of the work has been done. LouisAlain (talk) 10:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the birthday gift. The article name in English should be Symphony in A minor (Vierne), see his list of works. Graham, can you help to that? - LouisAlain, could you imagine - unrelated - to translate a bit of Folker Bohnet when refreshed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I got brutally rid of the one. The long French title should redirect to it. --LouisAlain (talk) 10:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah sounds alright to me now. Graham 87 10:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean we should it at just Symphony (Vierne)? ... and not move it to Symphony in A minor (Vierne). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just got this ... sounds OK to me, like String Quartet (Ravel). Graham 87 18:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, will change works list then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Not proud of what I left behind after I worked on this piece. Yesterday I simply was out of this world... Vielen Dank für rescuing it. LouisAlain (talk) 09:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I believe in collaboration. Tell that (again) those who send your translations to draft. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Some recognition

 * music in my ears ;) - thank you, enjoying the birthday celebrations for a man with a tough life and the death he wanted - listen to a friend playing his music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Walther Killy
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Breitkopf
I just received a vocal score of BWV 8 from Breitkopf & Härtel sent from Wiesbaden (posted by FedEx). If I remember, that's your home town? It was very efficient in Germany but came by a very circuitous once in England. Mathsci (talk) 09:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It was my hometown for a while (such as when singing the Vierne mentioned above), and I still live close enough to keep singing in that choir, - just not this year, and we'll see. I heard the two Vierne organ pieces mentioned above, the symphony live in 2020, and the Carillon live before (as a frequent postlude), and now on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne
The article Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Tifu
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, happy to have heard her, back to listening to a symphony concert, on 3 October, with the orchestra that made Der Ring in Minden possible. She played a Bach encore! (... in the second concert of the orchestra's second series of the season, while in was Eugène Ysaÿe the first, and George Enescu the third. Listen to the first movement in 2012, the article has a Ravel Tzigane YT, and there's one out with her at age 8. Thank you for the image, GRuban! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Jacobi, Werther
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Gerda, there's now a possible sockpuppet and my watchlist is a mess. the alleged sockpuppet uploaded this image (the article had a fine image) Do you mind checking that.? Corachow (talk) 14:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I restored the fine image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Gallus, Flörsheim
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Today is the birthday of a friend whom I met in 1983, organist (!) and choral conductor, and the first piece was Suscepit Israel, about mercy, and the oboe plays the Gregorian Magnificat to three upper voices (would have been boys in Bach's time), - one of the greatest inventions, ever. - Cutting it short, she became member of the family. If interested in organ music, don't miss the video in the St. Gallus article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

free flowchart generator
Do you know what a free flowchart generator is or where I can find instructions on how to do one? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The advice I get when asking such questions: "google". I know what a flowchart is, and there must be programs to make one. Friends, experts, help please. Do we have anything here, as we do have tables? I'd ask RexxS first, but don't know if health permits? Best wishes, RexxS! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In the past, I've used LibreOffice Draw, which can do the required vector graphics for flowcharts, but in my case it was more for mind mapping, and updating the SVG map on Woolwich Ferry. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * O-o-o-ohhh! I thought it was a Wikipedia thing!  You know, type in three colons, then type in sb and a dollar sign, hop on your left foot in a counterclockwise direction, spit into the wind, then be sure and sign your work. That kind of thing.  Thank you so much for this! I will go google till my heart's content! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

You're very clever
I must say you're very clever to be able to align the pictures nicely without Br'er Rabbit or RexxS helping. I always make futile attempts and then end up asking RexxS. Very envious of your skills! Little Stupid talk, 09:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC).
 * PS, yikes, I see a picture of Darwinbish on this page. Hope she hasn't been bothering you! Little Stupid talk, 09:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC).
 * Gerda has an adequate supply of apples, so fret ye not. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) Darwinbish has stolen grabbed some apples, but I have a large supply. All my technical cleverness comes from the two you mentioned, and Alakzi who showed me how to have pics in one line as here. Thanks to them as long as I can remember, - one banned, one ill, one given up! Look above, RexxS made me a neat template to remember Precious by just changing the number of years celebrated, imagine! (If I'd organise the dates, that might even run without me.) Feel free to use the QAIbox, modeled after the popcorn Br'er gave me as a farewell gift, eighth anniversary now as he mentioned then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would also say that although good editors leave the project, if you look around carefully, you'll see new editors coming up through the ranks and starting to contribute more, like zmbro. Let's show our appreciation for those as well. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I like hints for Precious. (I also like others to pass Precious, - no need to wait for me.) I think I do my share of appreciating newcomers, greeting red links on my watchlist, and passing Precious for a first DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I stole my cutest infobox opera from the 2013 arb workshop pages, image by Br'er, title idea by Voceditenore who also was instrumental in creating the template with Andy, facts somewhat updated. I think we just reached kind of peace there, - imagine (that I ). All operas by Rossini have an infobox now, not only his latest. Much room for improvements: more appropriate images, for example, and many composers not yet improved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: 1201 transclusions of the template as of now, but I guess 1 is what you see here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought the image on the right was the result of putting the wrong sort of dash in an FA candidate. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Highly suitable. Jen probably thinks the same about ref details. Thanks for helping her with the flowcharts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Just for being you and everything you do here. Danke für alles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>
 * Can I second and third this? Vielen Dank meine freund - for being who you are that inspires us all to be better than we are. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Such a cutie! Thank you, also for not having to miss you, as some mentioned in the thread above, and many not mentioned. Br'er didn't like left pics, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Question
Gerda, what's an "ambient flute" – ?? — Sca (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea. I met that article shortly before midnight, wondered about the insider-speek prose, but had more to do to change the antique harv referencing, and fell asleep over it. Today, I wanted to write 3 articles in honour of my friends birthday, just finished No. 1, only to find we have something already, - just not in German. Merge time - no time for Glass. I guess it means a wide range what we'd call ambitus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, it sounds like you need to slow down a bit. Alles gute! – Sca (talk) 16:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * PS: Perhaps an ambient flute is one that floats in the air – a floating flute? – Sca (talk) 17:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * PPS: I guess to play one you'd have to be a floating flautist. (But hopefully not a flatulent one.) – Sca (talk) 18:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * my third or so article was about such a person, - had never heard the word "flautist". Quite a character. Third article that survived, - the real third one didn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * He was also the first of my subjects who had been a living person when I wrote but died, - so happy I had done it before. As I was happy to have done this for his 90th birthday, DYK and SG. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * anyway, moar music on top, determined to expand For the beauty of the earth today instead of yesterday, listening to you ;) - Today is another festive day, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * that worked, and nominated, and approved - all one day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox Bach composition
Template:Infobox Bach composition has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox musical composition. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Gonnym (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * explained history there - those were times of trying something new! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Singt dem Herrn ein neues Lied (Kempf)
Hi Gerda. Please forgive me - I know you contribute a lot and you are so busy. I've been trudging around the DYK nominations, attempting to resolve and move on some of the oldest ones, and discovered the above nomination, dated originally 16 August. It appears to be waiting for your reply, and I'm wondering whether you have missed the call? Storye book (talk) 19:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Storye book, thanks for caring, but waiting for what reply? It waits for someone to approve the last ALT and strike others if not done yet. I said before that I like it, and the needed article works was done also. - Congrats to DYK No. 100! I'd give you the award but don't like the ribbon, so that's for someone else to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you. I did not want to interfere in your discussion there, but if someone is needed, then I'll go in and do what I can - it will probably have to be tomorrow now because it's getting late here (UK). Thank you very much for your kind words about the 100 DYKs, very sweet of you! Storye book (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Eugen Szenkar
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Fitting to remember this persona non grata on the day I remember that eight years ago, this community banned my friend whose name was not Jack: creative, productive, helpful, witty, charming, a great photographer, a free spirit, miraculous, who said "wikis are not about authoritah they are about collaborations and merit." in September 2012. (You read that in my edit notice, didn't you?) I debated with myself then if I could still be a member of such community.


 * Agnus Dei - mourning becomes ... (11 April 2012)

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[Breathing out a light spray of stroopwafel crumbs as she speaks :] Darwinbish has stolen your stroopwafels! The stroopwafels made her happy and she'd like to give you a great big hug for leaving them where she could reach them. Spread the WikiLove by giving her some more baked goods, unless you want her boys to pay you a visit!  darwin bish  BITE 12:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC). Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 13:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Dona nobis pacem - a promise (16 October 2012)

Here I am, still singing in defiance. Darwinbish has stolen the apples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Norma Wendelburg
Hi Greta, I was able to add the two missing citations - they were in the Cohen (footnote #6), which I am fortunate to have in hardcopy. Thanks for choosing this article! T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Cohen was also my source for many of her works. I removed the redundant source. Hope this is ok. Grimes2 (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Pls explain
So as not to barge in on the page of an editor who is already struggling under several factors, could you please explain this comment here on your page? Sandy Georgia (Talk)  14:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What is unclear? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Why you would stay away from a FAC because I reviewed it. 2) Why you would burden an already burdened editor with this for whatever reason.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  18:16, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have have high respect for your knowledge in FAC matters, and would not like to disagree with you. How is it a burden to explain that to the nominator? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You didn't "explain that to the nominator"; you stated I was one of three reasons to stay away from the nomination. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  18:31, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that I worded it ambiguously. Jen, was it unclear to you that I hesitated and why? - I'll go over to the FAC after writing my article of the day and giving out thanks. Fresh air outside was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda in all the years I have known you I have never known you to be anything but kind and straightforward. I did not read anything negative into your comment as I know you always choose good faith in others. I just try to live up to your example. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Since Jen and I first "met" through a mutual problem, for me to get involved at all in that article was and remains risky.  Jen expressed elsewhere that he has been "banned forever", which is in fact not the case-- he can request an unban after a year.  I wish I could have given Jen stronger advice, but I have been treading very carefully. With an already tough topic, and a very tough first FAC, my advice would have been (and remains) that the best way forward-- to sort out the existing source-to-text integrity issues-- is to meet all of those editors previously engaged at Peer review and give the article a thorough going over.  Had she gathered you, A Parrot, Johnbod, Mike Christie, Axl ... I can't remember them all, but all previously engaged ... on a peer review before re-launching at FAC, she would have had a stronger shot. My formatting fixes were not only stylistic; source-to-text integrity issues were also revealed.  So with all that, and our "mutual" friend, I have felt constrained in being able to give Jen better advice on a most worthy topic, and regret seeing unclear implications about my involvement.   Because I can assure all of you of one thing; you may not be checking every source for source-to-text integrity before you support, but the Dog will.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec - article started, rough so far, but to grow) We may agree more than is obvious, for example that peer review is a great idea. I'll approach the FAC in that intention. I had no time to even look there so far, just noticed frequent comments on my watchlist. Now to a round of thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I remembered from the beginning how we had first encountered each other, and yes I know my nemesis can be reinstated in a year, and if that happens, I will probably be gone again. Rather than say all of that, I sometimes just say he is gone. I suppose it's wishful thinking that he will never be reinstated and is gone forever. It's a statement of faith in arbitration. I am saying it forward with hope.
 * I too have avoided mentioning it to you for reasons of my own. Your reviewing style is always tough and on occasion it borders on harsh. That harshness made me wonder if you were so concerned about showing bias toward me that you erred in the other direction. And I wondered the opposite - if you harbored some bad feelings toward me. I decided that was just an emotional response, so instead, I opted to choose having good faith in you. I hope I have done so. I have endeavored to cooperate with all you have asked. I have been genuinely grateful for what you have taught me. I am distressed to find a negative attitude toward this article continues anyway.
 * I am surprised that it seems from what you say - and don't say - as though you think all this article has are major problems that can't be simply fixed. If I am struggling, this is why. I don't believe BC's problems are major, and I believe they can be fixed in a reasonable time frame. If all FAC candidates have to be perfect before presenting as FAC candidates what's the point of the review? What's the point of saying five times that I should have done something I didn't know to do?  If you want to fail me, go ahead and fail me, but it would help - if that is what you care about - if you would stop going over what you think should have happened that didn't. That needs to be put into FAC instructions because I would have done it if I had known. But I can't undo what is past. I can move forward or I can go away.  Your call. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I get irritated when people are reading on the page things I never typed; in this case, it's the opposite :) If you will read between all of those lines above, you will see that we all need to be tough on this nom to make sure you don't have problems down the road because of our "mutual friend".  As to whether there are still issues, I can't say, because I haven't taken the deep dive.  I only know that enough came up during my stylistic issues that I realize that reviewers need to take close looks when they do dig in. And because of our "mutual friend", I'm not wanting to be one of those reviewers to dig in any further.  I have no interest in seeing you fail; it's a worthy topic.  I am saying all of this because I have an interest in seeing you succeed, but the Single Most Important Aspect of any FAC is source-to-text integrity, and that should always be the first thing checked.  When reviewers dig in to fix prose, without first looking at sources, they do you no favors. I am certain that no one involved wants you to go away.  I always believe that there is a faster, more efficient way forward (via peer review) when a nomination stalls.  But please understand that in everything I say at FAC or about FAC, I am only one person's opinion, and plenty of people disagree with me.  It's always your call. And it's never too late for anything; patience is a virtue, ever moreso with FAC! "Slow and steady wins the race." I have done as much as I feel I can at this point, although I will also do a MOS check once others are satisfied. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  20:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I get irritated when people are reading on the page things I never typed; in this case, it's the opposite :) If you will read between all of those lines above, you will see that we all need to be tough on this nom to make sure you don't have problems down the road because of our "mutual friend".  As to whether there are still issues, I can't say, because I haven't taken the deep dive.  I only know that enough came up during my stylistic issues that I realize that reviewers need to take close looks when they do dig in. And because of our "mutual friend", I'm not wanting to be one of those reviewers to dig in any further.  I have no interest in seeing you fail; it's a worthy topic.  I am saying all of this because I have an interest in seeing you succeed, but the Single Most Important Aspect of any FAC is source-to-text integrity, and that should always be the first thing checked.  When reviewers dig in to fix prose, without first looking at sources, they do you no favors. I am certain that no one involved wants you to go away.  I always believe that there is a faster, more efficient way forward (via peer review) when a nomination stalls.  But please understand that in everything I say at FAC or about FAC, I am only one person's opinion, and plenty of people disagree with me.  It's always your call. And it's never too late for anything; patience is a virtue, ever moreso with FAC! "Slow and steady wins the race." I have done as much as I feel I can at this point, although I will also do a MOS check once others are satisfied. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  20:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clearing that up for me. It is a weight off my shoulders to know that you want this to succeed.  May I ask what 'Dog' you are referring to?  Because I will go ask him to come and review as long as it isn't the absent one. And are you saying I could withdraw my nomination and go ask all the former reviewers to please show up for a peer review?  Then nominate a third time once that's done!?!  Holy Moly Batman. But I am not in any hurry.  Slow and steady is fine with me. I will do as you recommend whatever it is, but please be clear.  Some former reviewers have already declined.  Perhaps I could ask everyone to come and just do a source review; they could take 25 apiece.  What do you think of that idea? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The Dog is the Jyt. Who is probably reading this conversation. Which is just what I wanted to avoid. Yes, you could withdraw and go to Peer review instead, but I am NOT saying that is what you should do unless that whole list of other (previous) reviewers also support that path and might agree to meet you there.  If they do, it could be a faster route, because you could show up to FAC the third time with supports already on board. But the last thing you need is a peer review where no one shows up. It is not my recommendation; it is an alternate path worth considering if the FAC stalls.  The other problem now is that the FAC is getting borderline long, so you should be careful to use the talk page of the FAC rather than the FAC for anything other than responding to reviewers.  Good luck, Jen ... I think what I will do for now, as this is such a spot for me to be in, is unwatch the FAC so no one has to worry about or take me into account.  If/when everything is settled, and you want a MOS review, you can bring me back in.  All the best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  20:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , srsly? Is Jytdog still around? I feel bad for him. He is a nice guy, but very... overactive. He contacted me off-wiki, we had a chat via Skype. He's not a bastard. But he certainbly crossed a line. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Guy there is more context here than I am willing to go in to in this discussion. It's complicated.  I have so many sockmasters and other sneaky editors who follow me around and make misrepresentations about me than you can shake a stick at :) But I didn't want to see Jen's good efforts wasted, so I got involved where I would have been safer not to.  And I hope that Gerda notes the irony regarding the socks who follow me around to make false statements about me.  Bst, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  22:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

All this does is make me feel I never should have come back here. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See my message to you way back in April :). You can do this! Sandy Georgia (Talk)  03:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Sandy, for "And it's never too late for anything; patience is a virtue." I gave my message in 2013, that we can start today. (This was in the proceedings of our "highest court" misrepresenting me.) "I keep dreaming of a new discussion style in the future, instead of looking back at who made what mistake in the past." Things do look different today. Courage, Jen (and all), and patience. Guy, you talked on ANI about what a friend should do. Be that friend, do it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Grimes2! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Dutch composers
Thanks to a beloved friend I have sung music by Ton de Leeuw, Daan Manneke, Vic Nees, Alphons Diepenbrock, Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck (in the church where he was organist), and probably others, especially if you count Flanders as part of Netherlands (hello Ockeghem and Josquin des Prez!). Who's your favourite Dutch composer of the last 100 years? Do you sing in a choir (or did you, prior to The Event?)

Have you ever heard ro sung Josquin's Nymphes des Bois (déploration de la mort de Johannes Ockeghem)? It is astonishing. Or Vic Nees' Magnificat? Guy (help! - typo?) 22:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking, - for choirs check the infobox on my user page, for more detail of compositions click on "memories" there, several Flemish, - I wrote about Jules van Nuffel's In convertendo. I'm tired right now, past midnight here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I have to butt in with how much I adore Nymphes des Bois – part of a popular Medieval/Rennaisance tradition of writing laments when great masters died (see Armes, amours by Andrieu for Machaut, or Ye sacred muses by Byrd for Tallis for other famous examples). If you're interested, this JSTOR article has a list on the page 31. Aza24 (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , like! Thanks. Aslo mentions Ockeghem's Mort, tu as navré de ton dart, which I have also performed. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wiebke Lehmkuhl
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

New message from Berchanhimez
Hi, I've reviewed your DYK nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Kommt ein Vogel geflogen. I'm watching the page and happy to re-review when you resolve the minor issues with the citations. Regards, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Alma Vessells John
As a matter of personal interest, why are you using strings of colons and asterisks in your replies? Why don't you just run a string of colons and end it with an asterisk? Yoninah (talk) 15:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For accessibility, compare essay cited on top of User talk:Drmies, by RexxS. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Sinfonietta (Poulenc)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, - enjoyed 3 October! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Baptist Hoffmann
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne
The article Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 11:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, a real treat after I don't recognize the article any more, and it has details about English publications but not about its content. Joy and delight! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to self "go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset". Guy, be that friend, do it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Philharmonia Quartet Berlin
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

String 4tet list ist pear-shaped gegangen
Hi Gerda. My brain has just exploded, as Sigi Nissel, whom I knew, is listed as vln 2 in Philharmonia Quartet Berlin. Hellllpppppp mmmmeeeeee. DBaK (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * How? Do you have a photo. He also has his own article, and the first violinist is pictured in his. GRuban, any photo of the 4 - first or second formation - because showing just one would be unfair ;) - same request may come up for Fauré Quartet, and we thank all these articles LouisAlain! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Found what seems to be a completely different Faure Quartet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2qYWix4ssU ... --GRuban (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and indeed, not two people the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This unnamed ensemble in the video plays Fauré Piano Quartet No.1 in C minor, op.15. Grimes2 (talk) 15:27, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As usual, through the in-laws! I will have a look for a photo, but if I do have one it will only be Sigi, and informal. I must say I did wonder, as soon as I looked at his article ... do you think an informal social photo is better than none?? Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:32, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Query: are you planning to fix it or shall I? I just wasn't clear whether to use the list as in the body text, or the current people from the website, or what ... Thanks! DBaK (talk) 08:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) By "how?" I meant how can I help you ;) - Informal, - depends, and I would check with him before publishing, and don't publish anyway if not your own work, or someone does it whose work it is. - Nice matching philharmonic colours on top, I must say. My brother is pictured third from right on 3 October. Also here.
 * After edit conflict: fix what? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * oops sorry about the ec. I mean fix the 4tet list in the infobox. It has Sigi in it and should not have; the body-text vln 2 is listed as viola, the viola is missing, etc. DBaK (talk) 08:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, lovely, you did it, thanks! DBaK (talk) 08:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * re photo: it is my photo, and Sigi is dead, so there is not much to check there. Your brother is the bass player??? DBaK (talk) 08:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) oops sorry, my bad, I just noticed and changed, - you see from where I copied ... - and next time, you please fix immediately!
 * after ec: yes, on both pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: so when they played Der Ring in Minden, he and a colleague opened the whole thing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * WOW! That is v v cool. DBaK (talk) 10:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Fauré Requiem
Look what I found. The location might seem familiar:) Ceoil  (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note the size of the chapel - the acoustics must have been mind bending. Ceoil  (talk) 01:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Imagine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Reminds of having sung the Petite messe solennelle at the Berger Kirche, and the Fauré in the two major ones, we rehearsed it for St. Martin, and our dress rehearsal was the sing-along at Chor von S. Bonifatius. I guess I should make sortable lists of my places and songs ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * wow. really. I guess you should! Ceoil  (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * An unsortable list is here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Eli (opera)
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hermine Finck
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Singt dem Herrn ein neues Lied (Kempf)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Re:QAI
Gerda,

thank you, much appreciated! I promise precision won't be ignored as well in the future, on the contrary I believe the project should be as accurate as far as possible. I wish you a beautiful day (Ich wünsche Dir einen schönen Tag)!(KIENGIR (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC))

Psalms
Hi Gerda, Thankyou for your "Thanks" ! I was looking to put in a bit more to Psalm 83 (How lovely are thy dwellings) on the connection made by Augustine/Cassiodorus between verse 6 ("ascensiones in corde suo disposuit") and the Psalms of Ascent or Cantici graduum. However I suppose if every psalm article had a full account of what the Commentaries say about each verse then not even all the Wikipedias in all the world could contain them... I shall leave well alone. I hope you are keeping well. I have to see the dentist tomorrow - too much gnashing - and I am hoping they supply good masks! Very best wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 12:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for coming over. Did you know that we try to improve the psalms, - with Psalm 84 (= Psalmus 83) - the best developped, but others mere stubs, - you are very welcome to help, after the dentist, of course. Just today (look above) we expose a little song about daily wonders and daily praise even under oppression, written in 1941 - during the War that is - in French and German, so languages of conflicting parties. That's the way towards peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Franz Goedecker
I wonder if I might pick your brain? I have found good sources in England for this obscure wine merchant and artist, Franz Goedecker. I have an unreliable source that he was born in Mainz in 1840 and that his father was Johann Baptist Goedecker. Do you know of any searchable German sources that might find his birth and marriage, and indeed perhaps a report of his strange death? Greetings. Moonraker (talk) 03:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Moonraker, sorry, I don't know much about family tree sources. What I found, though, is this record, supporting the year and an unusual death. Horrible mistakes on the title page (due to scan), - please ping me if you want to use it. He was born Gödecker. The name you give for the father was mentioned here, with background/marriage (but details not accessible to me) here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Moonraker (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I just found Neues Musikalisches Seelenparadis, mentioned (full title test) on Christian Flor. Moonraker, do you feel inclined to make an idiomatic translation? GRuban, could we have the title as an image? Due to be nominated for DYK today the latest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, published in 1660 is thoroughly public domain. Uploaded, and made three images with various levels of brightening, pick the one you prefer. But I'm afraid you'll need to improve the categorization of the image(s), as I am not quite clear on what this is; I mean, I understand it's German music from 1660, but not much beyond that. --GRuban (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You are brightest! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK Review
Hola! Can I ask for an assist? I have a DYK nomination that I submitted. But, don't think it has been picked up by anyone for a review. Template:Did you know nominations/Vijayalakshmi Ramanan. If it is alright with you, can you do me an assist and pick that one for a review? :) Ktin (talk) 03:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ktin, I looked briefly yesterday, - if it's still there next time I look, I'll consider it. "first woman" is becoming a no-no for DYK, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Solved, congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks much! :) Ktin (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

November edit-a-thons from Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

DYK for Katrin Lea Tag
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I thank her for Dido, Judith, Carmen and Salome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Norma Wendelburg
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Fauré Quartet
—valereee (talk) 12:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Future
Perhaps you are another nice person on Wikipedia. Kohl was a very impressive resource who I could count on to add reason to a discussion without any expectation that he would agree with me. Thus he is in my network of trust (however, I have once been accussed of canvassing for saying, only to Kohl, "hey, you might be interested in this discussion," which is sad because Wikipedia's definition of canvassing explicitly requires that one contacts more than one person. So you risk being viewed as my accompice, even though that is not what I'm asking for at all.).

I assume this is bad taste but perhaps I could count on you in the future (not that I plan on contributing much more. Wikipedia is the worst volunteering possible: on Wikipedia when you add citations supporting a position that another user stated on a talk page you get criticized for being duplicitous rather than thanked for supporting their position. This may seem extremely irrational but it is mundane on Wikipedia.

So, I ask you, may I alert you to discussions in the future so that you may uphold Kohl's legacy and add unbiased tolerance, reason, respect, and maybe sometimes some work (or a suggestion for work)? Hyacinth (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, it's an honour - I'll keep this open for the rest of the year, and you can simply add here. Jerome was one of the first helpful people I met here (actually he told me that while a source claimed a fact, that fact was wrong, - and he was right, of course). In Freundschaft (in friendship) connected us, so disagreements were acceptable. We should write his article, and I don't dare to. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bruder Martin
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you - reformation, a work in progress. The day is also a birthday, connected to childhood memories. If you came for treats: pumpkins and popcorn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bettina (opera)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Flor and Rist
Dear Gerda, seeing you wanted an idiomatic translation of the full title of Rist's Seelenparadis, I attempted the following, what do you think?:- The New Musical "Souls' Paradise", Containing The most sublime passages of the Holy Scripture (Old Testament) in most learned, reliable and deeply-considered songs (which can be played and sung equally to the well-known and familiar Melodies used in the Evangelical churches, as also to the quite new, artistically-, pleasantly- and reverently-composed Melodies by that most admirable Musico, Herr Christian Flor, the well-established organist of the church of St Lambrecht in Luneberg), correctly explained and arranged, ONLY for the promotion of the Honour of God and for the dissemination of the Holy Word (which alone makes us blessed), and for the recovery into plain light of the songs of our wellnigh utterly fragmented Christendom, and set forth with a threefold register or page-index, by - Johann Rist. I'm not quite sure what "Wo(h)lbestellt" means here, whether Flor is correctly appointed, or of long service, or simply correct in his musical instincts? Anyway, there it is... Best, Eebahgum (talk) 12:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's lovely. Please grab some of the apples above. - I think that "well-established" is great for "wohlbestellt" because it carries the same ambiguity. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Egel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Windsbacher Knabenchor
Hallo Frau Arendt, verzeihen Sie bitte, falls ich einen Fehler in der User-Kommunikation mache - das ist mein erster Austausch in desem Format. Sie hatten mir freundlicherweise eine Nachricht zur Begründung Ihrer Löschung meiner Änderungen beim englischen Artikel des Windsbacher Knabenchores hinterlassen. Ich hatte es so verstanden, dass allgemeine Informationen keine Beweisführung bräuchten. Die Angaben waren nach meinem Verständnis recht kurzgefasst und neutral, sodass ich annahm, dass es da keine externen Quellen bräuchte. Ganz allgemeine Infos, wie hier z. B. zum Schulbetrieb, findet man i. d. R. auch nur schwer in externen Quellen – ganz sicher wohl nicht auf englischen externen Quellen. Ich möchte gerne Ihre Kritik annehmen und den Artikel wieder entsprechend erweitern. Zunächst habe ich nur 2 aktuelle Fotos hinzugefügt („small portions“). Weiter werde ich jetzt Absatz für Absatz vorgehen und kleine Änderungen machen. Ist das ok? Letzte Frage: Hatten Sie eigentlich ein Problem mit der Listung der CD-Aufnahmen? Da war meine Quelle die deutsche Wikipedia. Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfestellung und herzliche Grüße Tilman Klett (HerrTK (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC))
 * Thank you, and perhaps can we keep the talk on your page in context. On talk pages, you normally post at the bottom in a new thread, but nothing serious ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Re. Poulenc Clarinet Sonata: Thank you
Thanks for your comments and input over at the Poulenc Clarinet Sonata article. I really hope that I didn’t come off as gruff, or that my edits seemed aggressive. Appreciate your work and wisdom. Thank you again.CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All fine, and looking forward to you expanding and splitting off ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for So nimm denn meine Hände
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Stalking precious
Hi Gerda, I gave someone Precious who I think deserved it and did what I think is the necessary paperwork - hope that's okay. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I just thanked you for that when I noticed. I always try to write a third line, for a more symmetric look of the image. When I translated an early model for the designer, however, it was also too short ;) - Great minds ... - we wrote 2466 almost simultaneously. I fixed "mine" to 2467. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, main point is you agree the Precious in this instance was a good idea, right? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:36, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I do ;) - did you notice that on top, I have two friends pictured whose birthday is today? She plays bass, he plays cello. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * "She plays bass, he plays cello" - invoked Johnny Cash for me - Daddy sang bass, Momma sang tenor". 🤠 I remember receiving my first Precious and how uplifting it was for me - one of the little things that have a huge impact. You're a special lady, Gerda. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 11:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * cute! - I also remember my first, then called awesome, 3 August 2010, shared day with Brian (imagine!). 31 October the same year, the giver left over a copyvio discussion (of the TFA about a "witch"), returned without saying so, so left again over an RfA with socking accusations, - that's some of the reasons why WP:QAI is AKA the cabal of the outcast. Feel free to join if you feel you belong there. Will bring you monthly flowers, - that's all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I just realised that Keith Emerson would have turned 76 today .... I'll go and find a Hammond L-100 and fetch the carving knives from the kitchen drawer.... interesting factoid, Emerson was influenced by the Scottish group 1-2-3, who were in turn named after Martin (or was it the other way round?) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * great! - so many remembered - St. Martin just a few days from now - did you see brother Martin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: planning to make ecumene/ecumenism my 2021 topic - you heard it here the first time - perhaps to be called unity? See Unionskirche. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be an ecumenical matter <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * just received sparkling music by Percy Grainger, - remember, ? - Something for Martin as well, I'm sure, music and compromise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , an under-appreciated composer, probably because he wrote a lot of what is sniffily termed "light music". Brian Kay used to play his compositions fairly often on Radio 3, I recall. Guy (help! - typo?) 21:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ita Maximowna
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * saw her Zauberflöte --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Folker Bohnet
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

First-time FAC nomination
Hello again, Gerda, and I hope you are keeping well. I'm writing to you because you are listed as an FAC mentor and I'm thinking of nominating an article there for the first time. The article is 1900 FA Cup Final which has just been on DYK having been promoted to GA three weeks ago. I have done some extra work on it since it became a GA, essentially fine-tuning but with a few additional sentences. Although I've been frequently involved at GA over the last year or so, my only FAC participation has been helping with three reviews, all of which I supported after discussion.

I think I could probably manage an FAC nomination without help but the instruction page does "strongly advise" first-timers to seek a mentor. I see that all other nominations have a presentation paragraph so it would be useful to know how best to approach this. I'm used to presenting items for publication elsewhere but publishers come in all shapes and sizes and have different requirements – I've worked with one who insists on no presentation at all and even says the covering letter must contain nothing more than contact details!

The other thing, of course, is to know of any pitfalls in the actual nomination process. I don't want to bring the whole thing crashing down. I did once delete an entire database at work but, fortunately, they had a backup and the manager thanked me for proving that their disaster recovery process worked (at least, he said he was thanking me).

As for the quality of the article itself, I can only say that it has been well-received at GAN and DYK, but FAC must be seeking a higher standard and my purpose here is to find out how close I am to that standard. For me, the feedback I receive will be the most important thing because I would obviously like to bring other articles up to standard. I don't intend to work on football articles much longer as I want to return to more academic subjects such as politics, prehistory, world history, etc. The football articles are useful for getting to grips with the different review standards as they tend to be relatively short and are essentially uncomplicated. Also, the majority of football articles on the site use "footy jargon" such as you would find in a newspaper or hear on TV – upgrading this level of language to a higher standard is a very good way of discovering what that standard is. So, method in the madness!

Anyway, Gerda, I hope you are able to provide me with some advice but please do not feel obliged to do so if you are pressed for time, as I am in no rush; or you may well prefer that I approach someone with a special interest in sport. That will be fine by me.

Best wishes and keep safe. Roy. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fast answer: my first recommendation would be a peer review, see WP:PR. I am not at all familiar with the subject so will be the wrong person regarding article details. The person best familiar with FAC procedures and quality requirements is SandyGeorgia, and for sports specifically, I'd think of TRM. Take a look at other introductions, and try one already for the peer review. My last was Vespro della Beata Vergine, - on the talk, click on "identified". It's good custom to say a bit about the article history, and mention others such as principal contributors and the GA reviewer (with links), which is both polite and an invitation to participate. So, longer answer still the same: run a peer review, get input from different people. Warning: it will be you to decide what of recommendations - which may conflict - you take on board. I have some already reviews lined up (see my user page), - patience is also helpful in the process. Good luck! - Now, I have to nominate an article for DYK, translate a composer's article because he died and we don't have one, and look at my planned article for today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All good advice, Gerda. I'll do some more research and approach others as you suggest. Good luck with the translation. Best wishes and thank you again. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * My advice, though, was to run a formal PR, - sometimes, nothing happens, and you can call it off any time, but sometimes, you receive input from independent others - not hand-selected - which can be eye-openers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Gerda, didn't make myself clear. I will be starting a PR as you suggested – I helped the review of Burnley F.C. at both PR and FAC, and the PR was a useful preliminary. Thanks again. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy to help here, I think I just got an FA Cup final to FA a few weeks back as it happens...!! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!&#33;!&#33;) 13:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, TRM. I'll write to you at your page. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Loveliest of trees, the apple now...
(Yeah, I know, but my spouse is intermittently allergic to cherries...)

I was wondering if you happened to know the cultivar of those toothsome apples you have distributed on various talk pages? Qwirkle (talk) 22:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no. I passed by them in Finthen (part of Mainz, has a small airport, and large apple orchards), far west, north of the road, and they are my calendar image of October 2020. Some pass sweet treats on Halloween, - I pass apples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Very wise, so long as it doesn’t involve Dorothy Parker Qwirkle (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Agnes Stavenhagen
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die Prinzessin Girnara
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gott Vater, sei gepriesen
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Variations for Cello Solo
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * ... not without irony, and as it happens DYK #1500 after #1 was about the composer whose birthday was a few days ago, a day before the piece was planned to be played. He also wrote Bright Angel, look: "He recalls a hike which he took, age nine, with his father William Waterhouse. In 1972, when the bassoonist taught for one year at Indiana University, they crossed the Grand Canyon from the North Rim to the South Rim, on the North Kaibab Trail and the Bright Angel Trail." - more memories - Did you know that he wanted to call the variations Väriäschons, as a German might pronounce the English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Inviting DBaK and Smerus to the party, who know relatives, and Cmadler who helped me with the first article, - back from deletion and to DYK.

A barnstar for you!

 * grinning a bit --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I remember when I was starting to add up DYKs I noticed you had over 400, and thought, "Will I ever get there?" Now I have over 400 and you have ... 1500! You'll always be the front-runner! Congratulations! Yoninah (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - it's due to three things: 1) eagerness to share topics I'm interested in, 2) LouisAlain constantly providing people I never heard of (or so I think and later find out I heard that voice but forgot her name), 3) being tired of infobox discussions, the determination to write simple short articles where nobody will discuss the topic, - and right, the last time was January 2018, Psalm 149, remember? (... which therefore didn't go to DYK). Thank you for all the wording help, and next psalm will be 148. - The front-runner became tired at 1666, - we'll see how I long I last, - writing more GAs instead would be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Christian Flor
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Look a little above for the sublime translation of the title page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Gerda - thanks for the Precious Anniversary acknowledgement. Much appreciated!Maias (talk) 06:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And a big thank you from me as well! Thomas Blomberg (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gudrun Schröfel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Vergnügte Ruh, beliebte Seelenlust, BWV 170
The article cites "Bischof 2019" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. Is it just a typo and should be 2020? Can you please clarify? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, Renata, only: what I'd need is something to remind me to look at the article after an update. I have the script installed. - I wanted to update the article because the piece wsa chosen for a concert next Sunday, which will not take place at St. Martin, so no rush, but I still should have looked ;) - Remembering the smaller church today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kommt ein Vogel geflogen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the Precious Award, it means a lot. I was jut beginning to wander if anyone ever noticed what I was doing Hochithecreator (talk) 22:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for saying that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * That's an article by LouisAlain, KittenKlub Grimes2 and myself, and will grow to DYK eventually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Prep 1
Hi, Gerda, I'm having trouble getting this under 200 characters. Here's what I'm up to:
 * ... that only the refrain of "Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein", a 1970 offertory hymn based on a Dutch model, appeared in the first edition of Gotteslob, and the complete text in the second edition nearly 40 years later? Yoninah (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You could also stop after second edition if you link. Sadly, both articles on the editions are not (yet) well developed but the first is worse.
 * ... that only the refrain of "Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein", a 1970 offertory hymn based on a Dutch model, appeared in the first edition of Gotteslob, but the complete text in the second. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yoninah (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, I'm just wondering what exactly a Dutch model means here – according to the article, I presume it refers to the fact that the hymn is based on a text written by Dutch theologian Huub Oosterhuis, but this isn't really made clear by the hook. Would the following work instead? Alternatively, we could pipe Oosterhuis to "a Dutch theologian" if you'd prefer that his name not be mentioned in the hook. Thanks! — <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif"> RAVEN PVFF  · talk · 16:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ... that only the refrain of "Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein", a 1970 offertory hymn written after Huub Oosterhuis, appeared in the first edition of Gotteslob, but the complete text in the second?
 * "after O" is fine by me, - someone else once said that "after" can be unclear. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've amended the hook in prep to "written after Huub Oosterhuis" as above; thanks. I do agree that the phrase "after ..." could be a little unclear at times, but I think it can still useful for brevity's sake, especially in the context of DYK. — <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif"> RAVEN PVFF  · talk · 20:40, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Christian Flor again
Hi Gerda, I thought the Flor article might contain all the German which I attempted to translate, and found in doing so that I had made the elementary misreading of 'Lieder' for 'leider!' (sic). This changes the sense significantly, because Rist is saying that he is concerned with the Wideraufrichtung of the fallen Christenthum - alas! (leider!) - rather than the revival of merely the (Songs) of Christenthum - quite a different scale of challenge, one might think! I apologize for my former inaccuracy. "Re-edification" was a popular English usage for the setting-up-anew of the church in the 17th century, with resonances of OT Zachariah, and makes a fair equivalence for Wideraufrichtung (again-setting-up-rightly). oops, Eebahgum (talk) 07:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Eebahgum, thank you, and no problem with mistakes, I make them all the time. Best probably if you change the article. In modern German, it's Wiederaufrichtung, wieder=again, wider=against, - a similar trap as Lied=song vs. Leid=sorrow. I noticed that the English in the article is longer than the German, and found no time yet to find the rest. Busy with a grim piece for peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for having done all that before I asked! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, at any rate it makes better sense now. What a very convoluted way they had of expressing themselves. Haha! Eebahgum (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You said that succinctly ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I need a German!!
Would you have any way of knowing if this book is available on any German site you have access to that I don't?   The google version has no page numbers and I need page numbers. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't but Grimes2 perhaps? Or try project Germany, - link on my user page, under workshop. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. Grimes2 (talk) 08:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No problemo! I found what I needed. Thanx anyway. Do you have anything you would like me to look over? Anything I can help with? Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's good to know! Check out WT:QAI, - psalms might appeal to you. I'll do Psalm 148 next. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Faustas Latėnas
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Goodbye and all the best
Hello, Gerda. I'm sorry to tell you that I have decided to quit the site. I am struggling to find time for it anyway but I've become completely disillusioned and can do without it. I'd like to thank you personally for your kindness, help and friendship. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am sorry to hear that. I thought . I came to celebrate an anniversary today, and now have to deal with another disappointment, and another helper lost. Isn't it enough that dear people die? ... and good people die (see just above)? Yesterday; I met someone who was away for three years. We'll see. I decided against quitting in 2012, DYK? - I know the feeling, but stubbornly stay. I'll give you Die Fliege (look below the beeches) for your time away. Best wishes for private happiness, and read In loving memory, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Flowers for the Elderly
Hi Gerda! I hope you're well. Yes, it does make me smile that Die Fliege is getting some love.

Since you popped up on my notifications I thought you might appreciate a little update. In the past few months while studying Health and Social Care (retraining to become a care worker) I've started a local community project. Visit Twitter.com/FlowersElderly and follow the link to see the website.

All the best, <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 22:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great news! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

About ArbCom elections
You didn't tell me that there was a shortage of candidates for ArbCom. -- llywrch (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't know. Actually, my trust in arbitration is limited, so I believe fewer arbitrators who really look may be better than what I saw: one, superficially looking, said that an editor who uncollapsed an infobox (which I had created, even) should be banned for battleground behaviour, and - worse - none of the colleagues intervened, so none of those checked it out. Well, according to the wisdom of Shock Brigade Harvester Boris, arbitration will never admit they made a mistake. "Criticizing the decision after it has been made is pointless." - Go, y'all who feel capable of looking, and nominate yourself. My question this year is much easier than the first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, now I understand what you meant by "look" -- to actually investigate the matter. (The latest American jargon for that is "deep dive". Or so I gather.) Anyway, several more have volunteered, so I don't need to feel duty-bound to run this year. Maybe another year if I ever figure out the secret to running a successful campaign. Take care. -- llywrch (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - well no, I didn't ask to dive deep, just look. Not every edit that begins on top with an infobox that wasn't at the position in the previous edit means an infobox was added. In the case in question, it was only moved from an unusual position, and uncollapsed. It doesn't take deep diving, just looking at a diff to the end, and not superficially staying at the top, and think you've seen it all, and tell your colleagues your interpretation of said diff, and none of them checks! Just by the mercy of one of them, who also didn't check but said he didn't want to see a good content editor banned with his voice making the difference, my friend wasn't banned. Just to explain my limited trust in arbitration ;) - It's over, but to see candidates still believing the wise restrictions in said case helped towards peace makes me smile. - So arbs, please look, just look carefully. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Why did you make that remark?
Gerda Arendt, I'd like an explanation for you made to me on Drmies's talk page.

"(watching) You seem not to be able to create a proper link to WP:Great Dismal Swamp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC)"

Specifically I'd like you to explain:

1) Why did you make fun of me for making a mistake in linking to a post on the AN/I page?

2) Since you were already editing that section of the page and apparently knew how to do it "properly", why didn't you fix the link?

3) Why did you put "(watching)" at the beginning of your comment to me?

Thank you.

Coastside (talk) 08:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * As I said also, you seem to be new, and there are inside jokes among people who have dealt with each other for years - such as Drmies and myself - that will be hard to understand, and even explain, + explaining jokes is doomed to failure from the start. I'll try anyway, because I recommend a good portion of AGF (assuming good faith) as the best medicine (look above, New Year's resolutions, and see what you can adopt).
 * I didn't mean to make fun of you, sorry if you understood it that way.
 * I won't change other user's comments (with very few exception, such as a typo that could lead to a misunderstanding, - not a simple typo). On top of that, Drmies had already responded on ANI, + the proper link was mentioned below on his talk. But the other is more important: don't change other people's posts.
 * I try to always put "(watching)" at the beginning of a post that a second user started on the talk of a third user, indicating that it's an outsider's view what follows.
 * I haven't cited anyone to the miserable place that ANI can be, and don't plan to do so. I am here to write articles. Do the same, leave others alone, and your happiness might increase. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not new here. Can you also please explain the following remark in the same thread?

"Coastside, you really try to be taken seriously, don't you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)"

Were you suggesting that the issue I raised with Dmries was not to be taken seriously? Were you trying to be derisive? Was this another inside joke?

Thank you. Coastside (talk) 10:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * So you are not new, but stile waste white space in your comments, don't manage indenting, and want to be taken seriously. You exhausted my patience. Write articles, and leave Floq and Bish alone, regarded among the most capable admins we have here. I hope that you read above that more than two comments are to be avoided. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

No more awards please
No more awards for me please. As you may note from my WP page the environment and corporate power rate very high on my WP interests. I accept that your views may be much different than mine and I do not wish to discuss or try to change them. But, no more awards please. Gandydancer (talk) 12:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I get that. Do you mean no more reminders of the one award? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Gandydancer, I looked at your pages, and still don't see what you mean about different views. I'd like to learn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Fall
For some time, starting at look-down in March, I've had weekly bouts of fainting. Medics have diagnosed weak anaemia, treatable by folic acid. I had three months of treatment, but lost balance today injuring myself on my jagged digital spinet. Poetic justice probably, since I've been uploading images of spinets from Commons ... But still shaken.

I think you noticed my upload for the "alleluja" on BWV 140/1. I listened and watched Ton Koopman & co performing BWV 140 with Marcel Ponseele performing the 1st oboe—quite impressive. Have you ever sung that? Mathsci (talk) 12:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ooooh. Best for your health!!! Yes, one of our favourites, especially that jazzy alto entrance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Another sad loss
Apparently Sheila Nelson died on Monday. There's nothing published yet but there will be and I or someone will surely update her article. Sad loss of a very influential and charismatic teacher. :( DBaK (talk) 14:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * sad, our job of remembering - no idea how the one on top died who looks skeptic --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite. DBaK (talk) 16:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

ArbCom question follow-ups
Hi Gerda, I know this is a pain, but at the pre-election RfC this year, we added a new rule that prevents editors from posting Analysis of candidates, questions or answers on questions to candidate pages (see WP:ACERFC2020). Because of this, I've moved some of your follow-up discussion with Barkeep49 and SMcCandlish to this page and this page, respectively. Sorry for messing with your comments. All the best, Mz7 (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Mz7, do what you have to but how was there any analysis of a candidate? I don't do that, at least I try not analyze and judge. I explained above what makes me smile, but it's nothing personal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the new rule wants to move the Q&A pages in the direction of "just Q&A", with room only for very brief "thank you"s and "good answer"s, but anything more substantive should go on a different discussion page. I do see where you are coming from, though, and this will be something that SQL, GeneralNotability, and I will need to ruminate on over the next few weeks regarding how strictly we want to interpret this new rule in the interest of the project. Mz7 (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining. I have written my collection of answers from 2013, and one thing I intentionally avoided was analyzing. At times I even said if you want that look what others offer. In the two cases moved, there was not even a follow-up question, just more background, one invited by a candidate who said he met the topic in 2019, - lucky person ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to look closer at "My wish for arbitration is to look at things closely and without prejudice, no more", . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

The trumpet shall sound
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Did you know ...

... that before Carole Dawn Reinhart was appointed professor of trumpet at the Vienna Music Academy, she performed in several of Al Hirt's Fanfare shows in 1965?

(20 November 2020)
 * Inviting DBaK, again, now for a trumpet player on top, singing the praises of great collaboration by nominator Lajmmoore, Yourworstemily who found recordings and refs, Penny Richards who cleaned refs, Gruban who found the pic, and those doing the regular cleanup for DYK articles, and concerned about Women in Red. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fabulous! Well done and thanks to you all – I am delighted to see this. I just popped in and did a couple of minor tweaks. As you know, I am in no hurry to out myself here, preferring to be grumpily anonymous, but I was amused to see that I had had more than a minor hand in one of the references used there. It also reminded me that I really, really ought to own a copy of her biography, and I have now ordered it. Too significant to not have, I feel. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 20:59, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - I couldn't believe she had no article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein
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Did you know ...

... that only the refrain of "Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein", a 1970 offertory hymn written after Huub Oosterhuis, appeared in the first edition of Gotteslob, but the complete text in the second?

Poetry layout
Yes, absolutely it could! But I just feel that you tend not to include the punctuation like that, on the (perhaps spurious) grounds that its place is sort-of taken by the slash. I am not, however, willing to pick up my musket over this, and you have done this work a lot more than I, and I am too lazy, ill and knackered to look for evidence to support my case, so I think I will just stfu now, as the young people so charmingly put it! Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not one of the young people - just replaced the pic of the disillusioned author by a youthful one but keep it here, - so what's stfu? Will think about layout more, but promised poetry for Zueignung, and have already 2 more tasks before getting there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, and I am ashamed to say that it stands for Shut The F*** Up! DBaK (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * listen to Wie der Hirsch schreit (Mendelssohn) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * will do, and thanks all round! DBaK (talk) 13:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: Wow, stunning, thanks!!! Due to your disproportionate influence upon my musical life (my lawyers will be in touch ...) I now have Collegium Vocale Gent / Herreweghe performing it. What a treat! Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Collegium Vocale Gent: heard them last year with the Monteverdi Vespers (surprised how much was done by the soloists of what we did with the choir), and I enjoyed a workshop with the one who trains them, - quite a treat! (They needed women to form a choir.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah the wonderful Vespers! I have very fond memories of a fantastic candlelit one with this lot at this lovely place about a zillion years ago – well, getting on for 30 years now, in fact. But a stunning memory, though clearing up the acres of candlewax the next day was somewhat less fun ... DBaK (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * wax - I know exactly how that feels because we once had all these candles for excerpts from the Christmas Oratorio ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Children's Crusade (Britten)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Heiligenfest, oder Namenstag
I wonder if you have ever heard Gerald Finzi's For St. Cecilia? I sang it around 40 years ago on the chorus benches at a summer musical festival in Cornwall (shades of Tristan?), sitting next to Jamie Gilchrist, who (unlike me) became a leading tenor soloist. Here he is with the Bournemouth band and singers. The words are here (pdf) - the poem is by Edmund Blunden. The chorus is far too distant for my liking in the recording, but the overall effect is excellent. It lasts about 15 minutes. Happy St. Cecilia's day. MinorProphet (talk) 14:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * PS I'm in no hurry at all with 'Zueignung': Gilm and Strauss can wait. MinorProphet (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * MinorProphet, thank you for both. Just returned from a lovely walk in the mist. Today proclaiming Mendelssohn's setting of what they called "Sehnsucht" (Yearning, after Psalm 42), and obviously quoting the first musical phrase from Sicut cervus desiderat which brings as back to Zueignung. Two things strike me there: the closeness in letters to Zuneigung, and that it literally means passing ownership to a person (and to do that of a person, even oneself, seems dangerous). Short story in that song: He is sad that he is separated from her who blessed him sinner long ago, and by that magic made him want to belong only to her, but back to the beginning. Sad story in the end. (Needless to say the "He" could also be a woman, and the "She" could also be a man. On Britten's birthday.) - Will listen to the Finzi eventually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The poetical I/he/she is one of the less-discussed concepts: those who make it matter only point up their own deficiencies. Bis später >MinorProphet (talk) 16:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As an equally bad horn-player, baritone, and poet, I can only respond with "Blow, bugle, blow, set the wild echoes flying: and answer, echoes, answer, dying, dying, dying." MinorProphet (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Impressive performance of the Finzi, thanks for sharing! - I came to sit next to Andreas Scholl in a performance of the St Matthew Passion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Crusade
I saw from your previous post that you are crusading. I know of the work, and used to have a vinyl of it, but all I have has been in store for 3 years now, so I live like a saint or a mournful knight in my Poeten-stübchen, and wait to dance the night away with the spirit Vikipedia, my Nixe-weib, before returning to the dreary daylight with sagging eyelids. Do you think that picture of BB was taken at the Red House? Looks like Vicky Pedia visited him, too! - Eebahgum (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - I try a work by him on his birthday every year since his centenary, DYK? All I know abut the unfortunately only pic we have of him - but better than none - is on the commons. We have several of Donizetti, see a bit below, or browse his operas which now - if we don't have something about the work - show him at an appropriate age. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Did you know ...

... that Benjamin Britten (pictured) composed Children's Crusade, with text by Bertolt Brecht, as a piece to be performed by children about a group of children in wartime Poland?

Donizetti
I think that if you're going to remove Donizetti operas from articles before the deletion discussion is over (which I think is a poor choice) you should at least provide an accurate edit summary indicating what you're doing. This only caught my attention because you removed it from L'ange de Nisida but your edit summary indicated you were simply changing the image. That's discourteous at best. There are others where you are using it as an opportunity to remove the template and add an infobox. It seems at times that you enjoy stoking the fires of the infobox issue. -- Laser brain  (talk)  04:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Laser brain, several short replies. Today is the day we remember the dead, please look around. Today is Benjamin Britten's birthday, look just above or on top. It's always the day of St Cecilia, patron saint of music, and I always try to honour that, - a little annual crusade of mine. Today I received Wie der Hirsch schreit - Mendelssohn and meditation, a video entitled Sehnsucht (longing is a weak translation), also related to the thought of missed people, for this Sunday. I'm not in the mood to "enjoy", sorry, and I see no fire about infobox opera, used in all major (important / prominent / significant?) operas.
 * For context, see Template:Bizet operas, and User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2020. What would be your answer to the latter? - I was lazy when I added infobox opera to Donizetti's masterworks in 2015, and so a few were stil left over, including this one strange thing about an opera that was never performed. I remembered that the principle author(s) dont like infoboxes, and acted in respect, but saw no reason - and have to type out edit summaries, and spoke about laziness before - to make notice of that particular personal respect. Sometimes I . BB stands for me for Benjamin Britten and for Brian Boulton, and all of Brian's featured articles on operas have infoboxes, compare featured topic Monteverdi operas. I follow a great example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I believe in "live and let live". I would actually prefer L'ange de Nisida have an infobox, if the template ends up being deleted (rather than just an image of the composer, which adds little value in my opinion). If that surprises you, it shouldn't. My main concern is value for readers, not editor egos. The issue I approached you about is using misleading edit summaries, not "lazy" edit summaries. I saw on my watchlist that the image was changed and I'd like to be able to take that at face value, not to inspect and see that a template was removed that's still under discussion. I hope that's more clear. -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's more clear, but it was lazy, - that article was the very last of felt 10 that day, and 20 the days before. I am sorry for having being misleading. However, enjoyment of stoking fire was never my thing, and that's what I reacted to. - I believe that it would be helpful if people wouldn't through all infobox topics in one pot. We had a case about infobox opera (or should have had, because its implementation against massive protests was what caused the case request). The topic looks settled once infobox opera was added to the project guidelines. We have infoboxes for classical composers discussed or reverted because there was a general project guideline back in 2010, and some haven't noticed that the arbs ruled, no, it has to be discussed on every individual page. Then we have infoboxes for performers where some of their admirers prefer to see a plain picture. We had discussions if an infobox which is present should be collapsed (which seems nonsense), and some even think an argument about inclusion of one parameter is an infobox discussion. I try to avoid them all. - Thank you for having created the article! - I saw that only now, having looked up the history ;) - It wasn't you who reverted my attempt of an infobox in 2016, and all I remembered was that it wasn't welcome. A deleted template has been replaced by its code, and something similar could be done for the Donizetti if wanted. If ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

File:Beeches, Ehrenbach.jpg
Lovely picture. I saw it on Bishonen's talk page and, mistakenly reading it as "Birches", thought "wow, so Frostian!". But, it is so regardless - the lonely woods, the roads diverging ... beautiful!--RegentsPark (comment) 23:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for describing what I saw better than I could, RegentsPark. I use them now for memory, which "happened" for lack of space, but seems a good way: diverging roads. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Maddalena Mariani Masi
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message

 * Guess what, I know that, and prepared User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2020. You all are invited to say what you'd answer to the question, which quoted an evaluation of the infobox field from 2018, implying: ... was it a good description then? ... would it describe 2020? I would have liked to discuss answers with the candidates as in previous years, however, that's not possible this year. It could be done right here, though ;) - Summary: we have 12 candidates who - with different kinds of reservations - agree that there is no infobox war obvious in 2020. Which is good, - compare my . I am partial and believe that simple 1RR and limited number of comments in a given discussion might produce better results than discretionary sanctions, and restrictions of specific users, - try it.
 * This user survived arbcom restrictions, but feels still branded. Did you know that my most militant action in the alleged wars was restoring a preferred version weeks after an edit war (Sparrow Mass). Otherwise, I mainly (too?) often said that I prefer this to this, and by now, the community seems to agree. Please "vote" in that matter, also. Compare . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Messiah Part I (& II & III): the Source columns
Dear Gerda Arendt

You recently thanked me for removing an unnecessary Clarify tag in the Messiah Part II article. My pleasure entirely; thank you for all your brilliant contributions.

However, the clarification-seeker might have been "irritiert" by a wider issue in the articles about the three Messiah Parts, namely: Does the Source column in the tables serve a purpose, or is it more distracting than helpful? The only content (information) in any of the Source columns is Italian (or It.). Where a movement recycles material from an originally Italian piece, the subsection about that movement says so. The question therefore arises: Is the Source column redundant? Could it be removed from each of the three articles, and with it the sentence beginning "Movements originally in Italian... " in the General Notes in each article?

You know the rationale for the columns better than I (and anyway I should probably make a terrible mess if I tried to edit the tables). Whatever you decide, thank you in advance for considering this. Frans Fowler (talk) 05:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Frans, thank you for a good question. I removed the column. I confess that I almost stopped looking at the articles years ago when the sound files were added which destroy the layout. Help, anybody? What I did now - little time, many other things promised - was to have voice parts mostly lower case, and keys upper case and with a hyphen for "flats". The tables look all different, not even the columns are the same, some abbreviate instruments, one not ... - again, help, anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Opera images from Ricordi
Hey, Gerda! Are we talking Ricordi specifically, or in general, because I have a ton of images for Auber, Donizetti, Halévy, and I think Delibes, Cherubini, and Charpentier, probably Rameau and Grétry - honestly, any composer that worked in French probably has stuff on Gallica -  but, offhand, I don't think I have any images of them from Ricordi. I also recently got a portrait of Smyth to Featured picture, and that's from the Library of Congress, and I have decent Sullivan resources. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 17:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, just Sullivan I will not touch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Adam, you can do Cherubini now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Pierre Bleuse
—valereee (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for For the beauty of the earth (Rutter)
Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy Thanksgiving if you celebrate that, and happy thanks if not! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

User: Gerda Arendt
Hi Gerda, it is irritating, that your person infobox in the user page states born 2009. I think, your joining date is meant. You can use Infobox user with the joined_date or first_edit parameter instead. Greetings. Grimes2 (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The infobox is not of Gerda Arendt, but of User:Gerda Arendt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

December with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Belated follow-up, Sokoloff etc
Hi Gerda: Apologies that I did not follow up on your inquiry several months back on Eleanor Sokoloff. I was not aware that my edits at the time made things more difficult. I thought that I had done my edits in my traditional manner. In any event, hopefully this has not been a problem.

It looks as though I may need your help again with a disruptive editor. Edwardx foolishly reverted my edit on Dan Ettinger without paying the slightest notice to my changes. I have done a new edit, with some changes to my earlier version, but I am bracing for edit wards from Edwardx on this article. Hopefully Edwardx will see reason, but if he is as inattentive as he was before, I have my doubts. You probably already have too much on your mind, but I know that you have authority here compared to me. Thanks for reading, and all the best, DJRafe (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mihoko Fujimura
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * ... and I heard her, but not the conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Abbreviation of City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra is CBSO not BSO. Already noted in Main page errors. Grimes2 (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and seen, and sorry. I hope someone will fix it, - then I'll fix it here as well. Thank you for having dealt with so many things that lacked references! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Macht weit die Pforten in der Welt
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Ein Lichtlein brennt
Thank you, Gerda. That was kind. --Frans Fowler (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Macht hoch die Tür - danke!
 * Macht weit die Pforten in der Welt
 * Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
 * Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
 * Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
 * new: Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Re:Welcome again
Hi, I'm not that new, I already have a few editions :) As for the edit war, better look at this user's page. Dude wants to delete content on his talk page, instead of writing back to me honestly (he calls it rubbish, by the way). I wanted to let it go, but since you did respond - I invite you to read it and reprimand it. Najgorszakomediaromantyczna (talk) 20:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * When someone reverts you on his or her talk, go away. You can do the same on your talk, did you know? When someone reverts you in an article, discuss the matter on the article talk page and find consensus for what you want changed. It's so simple. I am on a voluntary 1RR (one revert back) - see . It really helps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, thats some point :) Najgorszakomediaromantyczna (talk) 21:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, I've reported this fellow here for persistent vandalization of my talkpage. Just thought I would let you know.--Smerus (talk) 21:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw. Najgorszakomediaromantyczna, what in "go away" in "When someone reverts you on his or her talk, go away" did you not understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Lagger
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Your thoughts..

 * Dear Gerda I think I must retire from this place. I left a year and the petty hate is still here. Am I escaping the real world by leaving here? After all, all that we encounter in the 'real world' is here, but a little magnified. Have you ever considered leaving? Leibe Simon Adler (talk) 06:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Simon, I considered leaving in 2012, when teh community (so I, no? - which drove me almost crazy, and I made a category that I don't belong to that community) banned my friend. I then considered that some would just want me go, and didn't want to do them the favour. I was never tempted again. I recommend (to everybody): just don't edit. Simon, thank you for wonderful things you told me here. I'd sadly add you to Die Fliege if you left us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a year-long break myself, back when (aside from occasional pop-ins when people e-mailed me directly about something). It can be refreshing. If you find you're not inspired to return after a year or whatever, that's fine.  I used to play pool 4–6 nights a week.  I don't now.  Used to skateboard for hours almost every day, except in mid-winter (and even found some ways around that!). I don't now.  Your time is your own, and your interests are free to realign!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I am not leaving. I was a bit upset when I foolishly contributed to the drama boards a couple of days ago. It just bugged me that some colleagues just can't let go of an idée fixe, that of a narrow, tortuous logic that can be tagged on (tenuously) to a condemnation of another's WP behaviour, which can be perverted to near- persecution. I mentioned WP:Apology being a lost art round here. It seemed to have sunk in to our more self-aware colleagues, but it just left me sour. If you cannot function here, how can you function in the 'real world' where things are infinitely worse. I have had my year out, and it affected my edit count badly! It was nice to see my page watchers had all stuck with me through that year out. It is the little things.. Anyway, thanks for your encouragement, means a lot. Simon. Simon Adler (talk) 03:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You add to a good day, thank you Simon! I know the feeling (look around, where the long entries are on this page). However, today is a birthday of a friend, and Die güldne Sonne (The Golden Sun) is mentioned on the German Main page (more long entries for the English version). Please see if my is for you, - nutshell: go away when a wall is too hard, "have a laugh, don't get too upset over this". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * go away when a wall is too hard, "have a laugh, don't get too upset over this" – yes, yes, this, a thousand times this. It is an incredible and useful skill to sometimes just walk away and do something else. I wish I had it better but even so. I could not agree more ... and I think it is better for the encyclopaedia and probably for us as individuals to go on editing even if it's at a different level of commitment for a while. DBaK (talk) 16:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ... just remember that the quoted line is by someone much wiser than I am, - it's in my edit notice, did you see? - Now they play the Bossi Concerto. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Wiedemann
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rudolf Gerlach-Rusnak
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

BWV 140
Lovely! Thanks for the heads up. Is the horn really just +sop the whole time?? I am listening now and trying not to make brass-playing-peasant-like remarks! (But it is utterly gorgeous, yes!) DBaK (talk) 16:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Believe or not, we only did an organ version of the choral movements. I listened to three, Veldhoven, Lutz and Koopman, found first too slow, 2 a bit over-exited, 3 fine. No expert on assumptions on colla parte playing, and which instrument to use. Bach specified no horn, but Bach Digital has it. Best alto line ever, that Halleluja entry! - Just now I'm listening to birthday child, because he was honoured by 24 hours of him playing organ music on stream radio! organroxx.com - enjoy, a lot of funny music, right now Nigel Ogden's Scherzo for the White Rabbit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, great stuff! Thank you. I was listening to the Suzuki one, with horn, and the next thing that happened was BWV 112 because that's next on vol. 52, and at that point my brain exploded with sheer delight ... it's really got horn parts! :) And gosh I will have to listen out for the White Rabbit. DBaK (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

An idea....
Greetings, Gerda, and happy December! I have an idea to run by you for feedback. Two days ago I created an article on Black-on-black ware a type of Native American Puebloan pottery, hope you find a moment to have a look at it. While researching the subject, I came across the amazing Tafoya family of Kha'po Owingeh (Santa Clara Pueblo), and learned of the matriarch potter, Sara Fina Tafoya, b.1863 (she does not have an article). She is intriguing, as many of her children, grand children and great-grand children became notable ceramic artists (five generations according to some sources.) I've ordered some books which should be arriving in the next couple weeks to help me get started on the article. Never having proposed a DYK before, I think she may be DYK-worthy, what do you think? Netherzone (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, good for DYK. Just see that every paragraph ends on a citation. Will you nominate, or should I? We have 5 more days to do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the Black-on-black ware article, (that we need 5 days to nominate); or the forthcoming article I plan to write on Sara Fina Tafoya in the next few weeks. If you mean the b-o-b ware, I can certainly check that everything is properly cited. I have never nominated a DYK, but can give it a try! Is there a special submission form or template to use? Thanks in advance, Gerda! Netherzone (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant the b-o-b ware. Whenever you need something on Wikipedia, begin with WP: so WP:DYK, and for the nomination, click there in the sidebar on "Nominations (awaiting approval)", and then the first two items in the TOC deal with nominations, the first explaining, the second the nomination, for which you enter the article name, and then get prompted in a template. If you look at that list you can get a feeling for what gets nominated. You can search for my name, - I have always several ;) - Ping me if you go for it, or say I should do the first. - And then go for the other also! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, the deadline on the Black-on-black ware article is coming up too fast for me, I'm swamped with work as well as an issue at home. If you have the time to nominate it for me, that would be great, but if not, that's fine too! I know you are super busy! When I do create the Tafoya article (on five generations of Pueblo potters) I will plan differently, and in a more timely manner. Thank you so much for your guidance! Netherzone (talk) 16:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * How is this: I nominate it for you, and we see how it goes, as a learning experience. Once nominated in time, there's usually quite some patience, especially when encouraging a newcomer. Will probably do it later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, thank you so much. I will track the progress of the nom and learn from your example. Blessings! Netherzone (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Schey
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nun singt ein neues Lied dem Herren
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Didone abbandonata (Hasse)
Hi Gerda! Do you know Didone abbandonata (Hasse) or indeed this chap what wrote it? I am feeling terribly pleased with myself and a bit Sherlock Holmesian because whilst in Northumberland I heard this wonderful countertenor aria with horns (yes OK 1-track mind, I accept it) on Radio 3 but being in a slight flap at the time – and subsequently – I managed to fail to write down what it was or even which day or programme I had heard it on. However, after a bit of (incompetent) nosing around I found out today that Georgia Mann had it on her Breakfast show here and that what I was looking for was "Johann Adolf Hasse / A trionfar me chiama (Didone abbandonata) / Performer: Iestyn Davies. Performer: Arcangelo. Conductor: Jonathan Cohen. / HYPERION. CDA67924. 6." It is gorgeous! Do you know it? It's on an Iestyn Davies album called "Arias for Guadagni" and the whole thing is just bliss anyway but the CT+horns is absolutely blowing my socks off with delight. I am shutting up now but I just wanted to tell you! Cheers DBaK (talk) 19:58, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Just listening to Donizetti's Maria Stuarda. The Hasse opera could do with some expansion ;) - Bach liked the Dresden opera! He wrote the arias for the B minor with the soloists from there in mind, one with horn (and two bassons) ;) - I am determined to get Beethoven's middle cello sonata ready for his birthday, DYK? Played it (piano) when I was younger. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome, and should you get round to giving it a listen, I hope and trust that you will enjoy it. I don't know the Donizetti but, taking cognizance of your reference to it, I shall be giving it a go. Apparently some Austrian bloke wrote a book about the same lady too ... hmmm. Yep, that is really a thin article – maybe someone will get round to it one day. It's been hanging around since 2017, I see. Yes, I know and greatly love that Quoniam – what a fabulous piece of writing it is, albeit within an utterly wonderful setting especially if you are a trumpet player! . No, I don't know the Beethoven but, obviously, I will be needing to go and hear it now. Do you have a favourite recording, out for which I should look? Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * no favourite, but just added a list of giant names to the article, Casals, DuPré ... - I heard the opera because it was on radio, 3 nights a week Radio Stephansdom, Tu/Th/Su, often rarities - tired now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, thanks! Looks like it might be Isserlis/Levin for me then. I shall look forward to it. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Requiem (Martin)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

L'ange de Nisida
Would you like to draft and place an infobox on L'ange de Nisida? I don't really like the stacked images there now. I'd rather remove the template (which survived deletion) and use the current lead image for an infobox. -- Laser brain  (talk)  16:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, and just change what you don't like. One of the arb candidates found the 2016 version, that may be a start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I left the parameters "based_on" and those for the premiere open, - usually we list only staged performances, and 2018 might be confusing anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I like it! Thank you. -- Laser brain  (talk)  17:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You made my year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Klaus Bernbacher
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat (Penderecki)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * nice on a Marian feast, and in honour of Penderecki who died this year, a friend who celebrates 60 years as a priest today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Schreiber
Hello Gerda--not sure why you reverted my last edit: the version you restored takes some liberties with the text from Appelius. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So sorry, accident, I meant to thank you, - sorry that I notice only now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem--that's kind of funny, actually. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The two buttons are close, but usually I notice on the spot, - must have been absent-minded. To make things worse, I clicked on my talk after a break, so didn't see the orange bar pointing here, and noticed only when I looked at the edit history. Almost too rich a day, with memories in the morning, and more memories in the afternoon, DYK-wise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for David Cordier
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Marjon Lambriks
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

... rescued from deletion in collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nina Dorliak
—valereee (talk) 12:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I never heard her sing, but him play. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It must be pretty cool to write about someone you've heard! —valereee (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * actually, that's what I do a lot, writing about pieces I heard, and people, - perhaps I should make a list ;) - I didn't write about this giant, though, not even about Jessye Norman whom I heard, but brought her article to GA quality, - some hard work that I would not have done without being so grateful for what I heard. And in the end, she sang "This little light of mine". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * blushing deeply - thank you for the colours of the rainbow and the spirit your words carry. Look above: I try to reach those who are frustrated enough to leave, and am happy for everyone who doesn't leave this ship ;) - you made my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

BWV 93 and BWV 616
I noted that you ignored the English translations for cantata BWV 93 that I had found. Why?

It was only through Commons that I found BWV 616 had been omitted. That's not great. I also checked the Buxtehude chorale prelude BuxWV 76. For organ chorale preludes we use the word cantus firmus and the joy motif is usually associated with dactyls. Albert Schweitzer mentions that, and it can be found in the glossary of Peter Williams' Organ Music of J. S. Bach. The beginning of the Music section that I was editing, which you originally wrote, had loads of tags from June 2020. I tried to clear up the mess. Mathsci (talk) 22:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You've also given a literal translation by Francis Browne, which is under copyright. Mathsci (talk) 22:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I am sorry, I was quite busy with Beethoven. Don't trust that I will notice changes without a pointer, please. Thank you for cleaning up, but I had only a simple (I thought) language question regarding cantus firmus (instead of melody or tune), when speaking of a hymn, not a chorale prelude or chorale fantasia. Tomorrow, please, can't think any more today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Copyright: Please remove it. I can't think any more today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A Canadian IP editor. I have substituted Winkworth's translation. Peter Williams gives the melody for BWV 616 = BWV 125, which also was used as the elegy for Buxtehude's father's death. For the hymn, the fourth line of the stanza has a descending scale matching the words. Williams writes that the Simeon/Nunc dimittis melody predates Luther. Mathsci (talk) 11:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, interesting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Helmut Koch (conductor)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kündet allen in der Not
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 21:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kein schöner Land in dieser Zeit
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

More of those adoring thank yous.

 * Jen, I'm blushing deeply. - Did you know that I made the redirect He was despised? ... and hear Andreas Scholl sing the aria
 * he was - - despised, - despised and rejected. (... and didn't only think of Isaiah's Servant, but some here - and too many no longer here - whose friend I am)? Tell all in need: take courage. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Detlev Jöcker
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Alcestiad
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello!
Dear ! You are possibly one of the sweetest people I have ever met on Wikipedia. You are such a pure soul and inspire me to be the same. So, lots of love for you! Also, could you possibly do me a favor? Would you please sign my contact book? I would be extremely happy to have you there. Yours  Dishita Bhowmik   talk 11:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the sweetness, but I'm probably not as sweet as you think because I don't sign guestbooks. Write a DYK article, and I'll come over ;) - ... and please never write - for a new line - just "br", always close it "br /", or you confuse the colours in edit mode. Accesibilty is one of my key issues, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay if you don't sign guestbooks. I still don't think you are any less sweet because of it :) I contributed to DYK once with a fact from an article I created but two experienced editors had to pull me through it (because I had no idea what to do) and that is my only experience. ;) Also could you possibly ping me when you reply? Yours  Dishita Bhowmik   talk 06:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I was pulled because too close wording to the source. Can I help you finding such things? I don't normally ping, because I think someone asking a question will be interested enough to look. I don't like being pinged, interrupting my work. I hope you understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay. Have a nice day :)  Dishita Bhowmik   talk 13:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cassandre (Jarrell)
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Help required
Hi can you help to correct mistakes that I might have interpreted wrong while translating de:König-Ludwig-Eiche into today's DYK King Ludwig Oak. Thank you — Amkgp 💬  16:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything specific? Don't translate names of institutions, very generally when translating. If you think the understanding of a name is needed supply a translation also. Little time, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ,Grammatical mistakes mostly. I have nominated for WP:GAN. Could you suggest or tell anything that I should change or correct so it can become an obvious GA — Amkgp 💬  16:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Next year, yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Otto Jochum
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Alas, no more.
Gerd(a), please remove me from your list of Precious recipients. If you can award the same accolade to someone who has made substantial contributions to I Spit on Your Grave and I Drink Your Blood and little else except very similar articles, then I can only suspect that there is something very deeply wrong with you. I have no wish to be associated with such editors and articles. In the meantime, and having little else to do, I will haunt your eternal soul (when it finally leaves your earthly body) all the way to the wide-open gates of hell, and I will make sure they close firmly with your soul on the nether side. They say there are seven circles. MinorProphet (talk) 00:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Wie sie befiehlt, Bichette." (As you command.) - Precious is not about the content, I wish you'd understand. I try not to judge. Cassandre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Leonard Bernstein Discusses Humor in Music and Conducts Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks
I started preparing articles on albums that won the Grammy for Spoken Word and came across Leonard Bernstein Discusses Humor in Music and Conducts Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks. I found Bernstein's lecture quite interesting and took a stab at starting an article. Sony has released the lecture to YouTube here. I thought you might enjoy and perhaps consider collaborating to develop the article? Cbl62 (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - busy right now - Beethoven's birthday tomorrow - but will look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 21:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

More of those adoring thank yous.

 * Jen, I'm blushing deeply. - Did you know that I made the redirect He was despised? ... and hear Andreas Scholl sing the aria
 * he was - - despised, - despised and rejected. (... and didn't only think of Isaiah's Servant, but some here - and too many no longer here - whose friend I am)? Tell all in need: take courage. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cassandre (Jarrell)
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Help required
Hi can you help to correct mistakes that I might have interpreted wrong while translating de:König-Ludwig-Eiche into today's DYK King Ludwig Oak. Thank you — Amkgp 💬  16:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything specific? Don't translate names of institutions, very generally when translating. If you think the understanding of a name is needed supply a translation also. Little time, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ,Grammatical mistakes mostly. I have nominated for WP:GAN. Could you suggest or tell anything that I should change or correct so it can become an obvious GA — Amkgp 💬  16:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Next year, yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Otto Jochum
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Leonard Bernstein Discusses Humor in Music and Conducts Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks
I started preparing articles on albums that won the Grammy for Spoken Word and came across Leonard Bernstein Discusses Humor in Music and Conducts Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks. I found Bernstein's lecture quite interesting and took a stab at starting an article. Sony has released the lecture to YouTube here. I thought you might enjoy and perhaps consider collaborating to develop the article? Cbl62 (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - busy right now - Beethoven's birthday tomorrow - but will look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for List of monuments to Ludwig van Beethoven
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Classens
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Christian Schreiber (philosopher)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Johannes Chum
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven - happy 250th birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

The celebration of Beethovens birthday on the main page is fantastic, Gerda. Grimes2 (talk) 09:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for noticing, - not that I care about the rank, but it's a nice coincidence with what I thik was my best DYK effort in 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

A bit much?
Don't you think that posting the same message to the pages of 32 different editors is a bit ... promotional? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I promote music, and especially above the Ode of Joy. The message was expressing thanks for (estimated) more than half of the recipient. Check out responses, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations! With 11,899 views, your Beethoven monuments hook is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of December. Accordingly, it has been included at DYKSTATS December. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Cbl62, firstly, when I entered it to the stats I was told that it didn't even have enough views/hour to qualify, so this is a nice surprise. Secondly, I was only the one to have the idea, and the nominator, - all thanks and notification should go to Aza24. Thirdly, I'll move to the topic. - Good news! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * After some back-and-forth, the threshold for DYKSTATS was further tweaked, and Beethoven now makes the cut. Deservedly so. Cbl62 (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I like that! Did you see the whole bunch, Cbl62? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I did. Nice work. And I also left a congratulatory note for Aza24 per your note. Cbl62 (talk) 21:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Detlev Jöcker, too. Impressive! Cbl62 (talk) 21:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Editing question
Hi Gerda, I don't know who to ask about this. I have discovered two separate articles that I think need to be combined because they are about the same person and are listed under different names: 1) Gwyneth Walker 2) Gwyneth Van Anden Walker. How is this handled? I mentioned this on the talk page of both articles but wasn't sure if there was anything else I should do. Thanks! T. E. Meeks (talk) 01:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be easier with links, because it depends how they could be merged. The formal way to do it is WP:RM. I'd first ask Graham. - Gwyneth Walker - Gwyneth Van Anden Walker - which name - what content -. how merge? A woman composer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not really requested moves here ... see Merging and Proposed article mergers. Graham 87 07:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * T. E. Meeks, this tells me you could boldly do the merger: add all information from one article to the other, saying in the edit summary where you got it from, and deleting duplicate stuff, and make the one article a redirect. This leaves both article histories as they are. - Thank you, Graham! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks - I'll probably merge them under the longer name with a redirect from the shorter one. T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Why the longer name, - WorldCat has the short name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been working off this list, which uses the longer name: WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/International encyclopedia of women composers - also the article under the longer name is better. But I will include a redirect so people searching on either version of the name will get there.
 * I'd go for the short name because it seems the one under which she published. I agree that the other is the better article, but you could copy from there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Christmas hooks
Hi, can any of these run on December 24 instead of Christmas Day?
 * Erfreue dich, Himmel, erfreue dich, Erde
 * O magnum mysterium (Lauridsen)
 * Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * "Erfreue dich, Himmel" could go 26 December (2nd day of Christmas in some countries), or actually any day, such as New Year's Eve, - liturgical Christmas running to 2 February. Not really so well on 24 December, - "Süßer die Glocken nie klingen" is better for that (and I hope to get to the poet soon). O magnum mysterium is a liturgy for Christmas Day, and I'd be reluctant to have that a different day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm just trying to save room for Dec 25 "musts". I'll reserve a slot for Erfreue dich, Himmel, erfreue dich, Erde on December 26 and wait for the others to be approved. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Zweig's The World of Yesterday - too much? (Gerda and Stalkers help request #1)
Dear Gerda and your legion of Talk Page watchers, Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I absolutely get it that everyone is very very busy. I am having one go at this issue but then shutting up shortly. Please do not worry for a nanosecond if you have no time to address this. It's not even worth discussing and no offence can or will be taken. Given all those preconditions, if you feel like it:
 * 2) Please have a look at Talk:The World of Yesterday, at the recent topic "Article issues".
 * 3) There you will see a worry from  that the article is a mess. Quite a big mess – you need to see what they wrote about it.
 * 4) I wouldn't really know how to go about fixing this, if indeed it needs fixed..
 * 5) I have a very mild COI which might perhaps keep me off addressing it too much anyway; more important, though, is my lack of competence to address this! ...clutching-head emoji...
 * 6) If it's not you (or you or you or you, stalkers), then do you know who is a good literature/German/overlength/whatever editor who might be interested or able to help?
 * 7) I would be most grateful if someone could please have a look, but the Thames is not on fire and no-one will die over this if it is unaddressed for the next 17 years. I just thought I should have one try at helping and then I am: "bye-bye".
 * See just above, I'll nominate the last bit for Christmas, and go to bed. Friends, please help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Britten's Owen Wingrave - mention a version? (Gerda and Stalkers help request #2)
Dear Gerda and your legion of Talk Page watchers, hello again, Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I absolutely get it, still, that everyone is very very busy. I am having one go at this other issue but then shutting up. Please do not worry for a nanosecond if you have no time to address this. It's not even worth discussing and no offence can or will be taken. Given all those preconditions, if you feel like it:
 * 2) Please have a look at Talk:Owen Wingrave, at the recent topic "2020 Grange Park Opera lockdown(ish) version".
 * 3) There you will see a question from me about a new version (Grange Park Opera) and whether the article needs or wants it.
 * 4) Apart from my complete lack of editing competence I have a mild COI here which precludes me getting into this, other than offering the info then going stfu at myself. I say that you ought to have a look anyway, because (I think) it's jolly good but that's the whole point, innit?  – I'm standing too close to it to use even the limited judgment that I occasionally display. So, over to you, if you fancy a look, and if not, no worries.
 * 5) If it's not you (or you or you or you, stalkers), then do you know who is a good opera/music/Britten/whatever editor who might be interested or able to help?
 * 6) I would be most grateful if someone could please have a look, but the Thames is not on fire and no-one will die over this if it is unaddressed for the next 16.35 years. I just thought I should have one try at asking fellow editors about this and then I am: "bye-bye".

Season's Greetings
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Hello there! Shearonink (talk) wishes you & yours the very best of the season!

Whether you celebrate Christmas, Diwali, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus (for the rest of us!) or even the Saturnalia, here's to: hoping your holiday time is wonderful and - especially -

that the New Year 2021 will be an improvement upon the old of 2020. CHEERS!

(Sent: 04:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC))
 * Thank you for the inspiration, Shearonink, please watch here for my Christmas greeting, - I'm still in preparation, and celebrate Beethoven 250. Further greetings best with a level-3-header below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Response
Thank you for greetings and wishes, - mine will grow here, - please keep watching into the New Year, I will not post individually. Just find out if it speaks to you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Vespro della Beata Vergine
Vespro della Beata Vergine is a featured article. The mentioning of Psalm numbers were changed from Wikipedia's numbering system (Hebrew) to Catholic, leading to piped links and unlinked numbers which I find misleading. ... I need sleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Waking up, a discussion of two users has been called a consensus which was enacted. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * This is exactly what is making us all lose time... See ya next year. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * You make me smile. I could so well imagine this whole thing not to have happened, and much more time not lost. ... Please leave me alone a bit more. Merry Christmas, or whatever you celebrate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * nutshell: we can name the psalms this way and that way as long as it's established that both systems exist. A change of that style would need a broad consensus, not two users thinking it's better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays

 * That's a stunning image, - thank you for the good wishes, John! My reply ever-changing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mit Ernst, o Menschenkinder
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland (Böhm)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I heard it on the First Sunday of Advent. Bühm set all eight stanzas, while current hymnals have only five. Today, same place: Bereitet die Wege. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank You!RFD (talk) 17:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * you are welcome, - thanks for coming over! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Hammerstiel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, bright colours on the darkest day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for List of monuments to Ludwig van Beethoven
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Classens
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Christian Schreiber (philosopher)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Johannes Chum
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven - happy 250th birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

The celebration of Beethovens birthday on the main page is fantastic, Gerda. Grimes2 (talk) 09:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for noticing, - not that I care about the rank, but it's a nice coincidence with what I thik was my best DYK effort in 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

A bit much?
Don't you think that posting the same message to the pages of 32 different editors is a bit ... promotional? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I promote music, and especially above the Ode of Joy. The message was expressing thanks for (estimated) more than half of the recipient. Check out responses, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations! With 11,899 views, your Beethoven monuments hook is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of December. Accordingly, it has been included at DYKSTATS December. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Cbl62, firstly, when I entered it to the stats I was told that it didn't even have enough views/hour to qualify, so this is a nice surprise. Secondly, I was only the one to have the idea, and the nominator, - all thanks and notification should go to Aza24. Thirdly, I'll move to the topic. - Good news! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * After some back-and-forth, the threshold for DYKSTATS was further tweaked, and Beethoven now makes the cut. Deservedly so. Cbl62 (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I like that! Did you see the whole bunch, Cbl62? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I did. Nice work. And I also left a congratulatory note for Aza24 per your note. Cbl62 (talk) 21:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Detlev Jöcker, too. Impressive! Cbl62 (talk) 21:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Zweig's The World of Yesterday - too much? (Gerda and Stalkers help request #1)
Dear Gerda and your legion of Talk Page watchers, Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I absolutely get it that everyone is very very busy. I am having one go at this issue but then shutting up shortly. Please do not worry for a nanosecond if you have no time to address this. It's not even worth discussing and no offence can or will be taken. Given all those preconditions, if you feel like it:
 * 2) Please have a look at Talk:The World of Yesterday, at the recent topic "Article issues".
 * 3) There you will see a worry from  that the article is a mess. Quite a big mess – you need to see what they wrote about it.
 * 4) I wouldn't really know how to go about fixing this, if indeed it needs fixed..
 * 5) I have a very mild COI which might perhaps keep me off addressing it too much anyway; more important, though, is my lack of competence to address this! ...clutching-head emoji...
 * 6) If it's not you (or you or you or you, stalkers), then do you know who is a good literature/German/overlength/whatever editor who might be interested or able to help?
 * 7) I would be most grateful if someone could please have a look, but the Thames is not on fire and no-one will die over this if it is unaddressed for the next 17 years. I just thought I should have one try at helping and then I am: "bye-bye".
 * See just above, I'll nominate the last bit for Christmas, and go to bed. Friends, please help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Britten's Owen Wingrave - mention a version? (Gerda and Stalkers help request #2)
Dear Gerda and your legion of Talk Page watchers, hello again, Best to all, DBaK (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I absolutely get it, still, that everyone is very very busy. I am having one go at this other issue but then shutting up. Please do not worry for a nanosecond if you have no time to address this. It's not even worth discussing and no offence can or will be taken. Given all those preconditions, if you feel like it:
 * 2) Please have a look at Talk:Owen Wingrave, at the recent topic "2020 Grange Park Opera lockdown(ish) version".
 * 3) There you will see a question from me about a new version (Grange Park Opera) and whether the article needs or wants it.
 * 4) Apart from my complete lack of editing competence I have a mild COI here which precludes me getting into this, other than offering the info then going stfu at myself. I say that you ought to have a look anyway, because (I think) it's jolly good but that's the whole point, innit?  – I'm standing too close to it to use even the limited judgment that I occasionally display. So, over to you, if you fancy a look, and if not, no worries.
 * 5) If it's not you (or you or you or you, stalkers), then do you know who is a good opera/music/Britten/whatever editor who might be interested or able to help?
 * 6) I would be most grateful if someone could please have a look, but the Thames is not on fire and no-one will die over this if it is unaddressed for the next 16.35 years. I just thought I should have one try at asking fellow editors about this and then I am: "bye-bye".

DYK for Robert Hammerstiel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, bright colours on the darkest day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
The article Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
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Hello there! Shearonink (talk) wishes you & yours the very best of the season!

Whether you celebrate Christmas, Diwali, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus (for the rest of us!) or even the Saturnalia, here's to: hoping your holiday time is wonderful and - especially -

that the New Year 2021 will be an improvement upon the old of 2020. CHEERS!

(Sent: 04:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC))
 * Thank you for the inspiration, Shearonink, please watch here for my Christmas greeting, - I'm still in preparation, and celebrate Beethoven 250. Further greetings best with a level-3-header below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Response
Thank you for greetings and wishes, - mine will grow here, - please keep watching into the New Year, I will not post individually. Just find out if it speaks to you, and watch for updates throuout 2021. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kündet allen in der Not
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Vespro della Beata Vergine
Vespro della Beata Vergine is a featured article. The mentioning of Psalm numbers were changed from Wikipedia's numbering system (Hebrew) to Catholic, leading to piped links and unlinked numbers which I find misleading. ... I need sleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Waking up, a discussion of two users has been called a consensus which was enacted. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * This is exactly what is making us all lose time... See ya next year. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * You make me smile. I could so well imagine this whole thing not to have happened, and much more time not lost. ... Please leave me alone a bit more. Merry Christmas, or whatever you celebrate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * nutshell: we can name the psalms this way and that way as long as it's established that both systems exist. A change of that style would need a broad consensus, not two users thinking it's better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Mit Ernst, o Menschenkinder
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland (Böhm)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I heard it on the First Sunday of Advent. Bühm set all eight stanzas, while current hymnals have only five. Today, same place: Bereitet die Wege. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays

 * That's a stunning image, - thank you for the good wishes, John! My reply ever-changing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

God Jul och Gott Nytt År!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Gråbergs Gråa Sång is wishing you the season's greetings. Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus, or the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.


 * Thank you, and also to you, - My reply ever-changing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Buon Natale
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May you have very Happy Christmas, Gerda ...

and a safe New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Voce, how angelic! My reply ever-changing, with sweet music planned for 24 December, mysterious music for 25 December, and joyful music for 26 December. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

(Season's Greetings)

 * <font color="#006633"> Merry Christmas & Happy New Year


 * Frohe Weihnachten und
 * alles Gute zum neuen Jahr!
 * Wesołych Świąt i
 * Szczęśliwego nowego roku!
 * Linksmų Kalėdų ir
 * laimingų Naujųjų Metų!


 * – Sca (talk) 17:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Sca, look above for reply. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho
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 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!


 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Rudolf Steglich
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * Thank you, - come here for my reply tomorrow please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

same:
 * MRRaja001 (talk) 09:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Kingsif (talk) 10:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * scope_creep Talk 11:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both, and merry Christmas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hope you had a good Christmas in this dismal year and that you will have a happy and prosperous New Year. Donner60 (talk) 01:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Donner60, and also to you, - my card is here. Yes, it was good, and hope also for you! - forgot to sign


 * Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jen, and which of my two cards do you like better, sounds of peace and joy or mystery and joy? Can you help with Psalm 71, planned for 1 January? See WT:QAI --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Thank you, Davey. My creativity will flow tomorrow, please look here then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); float: left; margin-top: 3px; background-color: #FC9; border: 1px solid #8888aa; padding: 10px; width: 425px; clear: both;"> <div style="border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-style:solid; border-color:#4682B4; background-color:#900020; color:white; border-width:5px; text-align:left; vertical-align;top; padding:18px;" class="plainlinks"> "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,  I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version) HAL ]] 333  is wishing you a  Merry Christmas.


 * Thank you, and please be back tomorrow for a response. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

same:  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 20:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and also to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Thank you, and please come again tomorrow for the reply. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for St. Michael, Kaubenheim
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * One of User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2020, and only yesterday I learned of the good story how the image (not by me) came to be: that the grandfather of a friend's friend was pastor there, and the parents got married. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Friedrich Wilhelm Kritzinger (theologian)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That song - of bells ringing peace and joy throughout the world, sweet and holy sound - "Glocken mit heiligem Klang klingen die Erde entlang" - can be sung like kitsch, but I hear my grandfather's sonorous bass voice, - he was from Silesia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

My card 1
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Did you know ...

... that St. Michael, a 17th-century chapel on a hill near Kaubenheim, Bavaria, which offers services in summer and for Christmas, received electricity around 1980? (story)

... that Friedrich Wilhelm Kritzinger wrote "Süßer die Glocken nie klingen", a popular 19th-century Christmas carol to the melody of an evening song, evoking the sound of bells as a symbol of peace and joy? (story)

(24 December 2020)

Your GA nomination of Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven)
The article Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Cello Sonata No. 3 (Beethoven) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 01:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Aza24, that is a very welcome gift, part of our passion for Monteverdi and Beethoven. For good wishes, please look around. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * X
 * <font color="#006633">  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year


 * X
 * With as much love as you show to us all Gerda. Peace. Simon Adler (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Simon, you make me blush (again). For more reply see below and around, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Slow as Christmas!!

 * Thank you, fairy, look on top and around, - I don't send cards, but make my musical "card" in steps, with two things on the Main page right now, and three to come. Sing for me, something to yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Frohe Weihnachten. Grimes2 (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - you are just amazing! I declare you honorary member of teh cabal, for always being there to help, rescuing articles from deletion and tags, repairing (my) typos, negligence in copying and dab links, finding all this yourself, - Frohe Weihnachten! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
@ Have a blessed Christmas! Warm regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 14:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you too! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Thank you, and also to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Thank you, - perhaps I should change my plan for today, There is no rose. Merry Christmas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#01902a; background-color:darkred; border-width:3px; text-align:center; padding:3px; height:262px; width:800px;" class="plainlinks"> Merry Christmas! ''Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten! ¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua! God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus! Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce! Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством! শুভ বড়দিন! ~ 圣诞节快乐！~ メリークリスマス！~ 메리 크리스마스! สุขสันต์วันคริสต์มาส!'' ~ Selamat Hari Natal! ~ Giáng sinh an lành! Hello, Gerda Arendt! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! <b style="color:orange">Linguist111</b><sup style="color:purple">talk 23:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and Merry Christmas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O magnum mysterium (Lauridsen)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the 2020 Christmas bottom line. Merry Christmas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Fröhliche Weihnachten!
I hope you like crystallised oranges.

Britten knew very well that all boys are show-offs.

The choral writing in "This Little Babe" is extraordinary. Narky Blert (talk) 04:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and I agree, - perhaps I should change my plan for today. Merry Christmas! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

 * Thank you, Netherzone, and Merry Christmas! for now, - that will by my signpost for the new year also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Reinhold Johannes Buhl
Gerda, hope this Christmas day finds you well and healthy. Wanted to give you a heads up that I moved this article to draftspace. I didn't notify LouisAlain because I didn't want to cause you any angst. The issue is that with NPP becoming cleaned up, LouisAlain's articles are now at the end of the queue, but they can't be marked as reviewed in their current state. LouisAlain was informed that there were issues with the article almost a month ago, and has done nothing to improve it. It appears they are complacent with you cleaning up after them, and you appear to be okay with that. When I come across one of their articles at the beginning of the queue, if I can I mark it reviewed, but if I can't, I simply let it stay in the queue, hoping it will be improved. But when it gets to the end of the queue, action has to be taken. I hope you understand.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll think about it next year, being more than "booked" for this one. I don't follow LouisAlain's productions around, just look at what I see per my watch list. I missed this one. Grimes2, any chance? On Christmas, which means tomorrow as well in Germany, I do only fun work if any, same on Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Natalis soli invicto!

 * Thank you, Ealdgyth, and Merry Christmas! for now, - that will by my signpost for the new year also, in cased of interest. The top pic was taken by a friend in response to a request for my birthday, and I think the bright toy colours serve us well these day. There's also a (linked) story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ser Amantio di Nicolao, for a thoughtful message, and Merry Christmas!, - we celebrate 2 days, and in Bach's Leipzig, it was 3 days, so cantata tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Erfreue dich, Himmel, erfreue dich, Erde
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Psalm 148
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

My card 2
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Did you know ...

... that Psalm 148, calling heaven and earth to be glad, inspired the 17th-century Christmas carol "Erfreue dich, Himmel, erfreue dich, Erde", which Maria Luise Thurmair expanded with more details from the psalm in 1963?

(26 December 2020)

... that O magnum mysterium, a motet for double choir by Morten Lauridsen, is a setting of a medieval Latin text for Christmas to music described as "ethereal sounds in imperturbable calmness"?

Happy New Year!

 * BoringHistoryGuy, thank you for the artful display of art and thought, and no, history is not boring ;) - Wishes for the new year are here, and for Christmas here, - take what you like! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Astronomically speaking.
Hallo Gerda,

You may have noticed I'm not much of a religious person (reason over imagination) so Christmas, Ramadan and Roch Hachana have no meaning to me. But since I believe in science over "nanny tales" (Ludwig Feuerbach), I have noticed that the new year has already begun. Please, let me sincerely wish the best to you (health being the primary concern) for this upcoming new turn of Earth around the Sun. And more specifically, a significant increase of the number of DYK you'll put out. I promise I'll keep up providing material that may be of some use to you in that respect. Your obedient servant. LouisAlain (talk) 16:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, LouisAlain! I look forward to more collaboration in 2021 whenever it begins, and take good wishes anytime. Just please check translations for "under (the baton)" and new music, which to avoid would make my days brighter ;) - I hope the pic for the imagination on top speaks to you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you don't protest I declare you an honorary of teh cabal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays

 * Thank you, Ceoil, and thank you for much inspiration! My card is here, - matching colours ;) - Safe and well with some hikes in sun and some in snow. Planning to listen to BWV 28 with the matching title Gottlob! nun geht das Jahr zu Ende (Thank God! that year is going to end now) - a comment from almost 300 years ago. Working on the article of the place, and the cantata should also be improved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

A New Year With Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Peaceful Christmas and a very Happy New Year
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:gold; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Warmest seasonal wishes to you and hoping 2021 is brighter.''' Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Martin, you seem to have spent weeks on the making of this card. My latest Christmas card is on top, and New Year in the making below. Please come again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Gerda, thank you for appreciating and praising people! Really great. Have a good start for 2021. All the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 19:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you,Horst, and have a good new year 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt!
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Happy New Year! Gerda Arendt, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

 MRRaja001 (talk) 11:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and have a good new year 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Black-on-black ware
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerda, thank you again for your help with this. It's rather thrilling to see the article linked on the main page! Blessings to you for a wonderful new year. Netherzone (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Netherzone, it was a real pleasure, and easy even! - I remember the feeling of the first, 6 hours on the Main page back then. - I hope you saw my card, - for more images and outlook look here. - Let me know when the next DYK is ready, for nomination or for review of the nomination ;) - My third card is in preparation, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda, I created another new article, Pueblo pottery on December 23, which may qualify to run in the DYK column in the future. I would have jumped on this sooner, but there is a lot of technical info in it, and I had to wait for some books on the subject to arrive which held me up from alerting you sooner. I think it is in good shape for nomination now. A good hook might be: Did you know.... Pueblo pottery has been made by made by indigenous Pueblo people and their antecedents, the Ancestral Puebloans and Mogollon cultures for almost two thousand years?
 * If you have the time, let me know what you think. And if it's too late for a nomination, I will soon create the article on the matriarch potter, Sara Fina Tafoya, who inspired seven generations of women (and men) potters of the Santa Clara Pueblo. Thanks for the inspiring cards and the best to you, Netherzone (talk) 15:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 23 is fine, last day today. I'll nominate for you as it's last minute, and you'll do the next, with my help, and one day sooner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you! Yes I promise, I'll do the next, and sooner! Netherzone (talk) 15:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar
-Philippe (talk) 05:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Now you made me smile, Philippe ;) - Have a good new year 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)