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Tech News: 2020-26
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * There are some new tools to make it easier for newcomers to start editing. They are available on some wikis. These wikis had a problem with the visual editor for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug in the new tools. It was soon fixed.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some user scripts and gadgets stopped working because of a change to CSS selectors.  should be replaced with   to fix this.

Changes later this week
 * The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).

Future changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 91 wikis still need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.

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Tech News: 2020-27
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID  for the go button. This is   for Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change to   in Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to use  . You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2020).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Malcolmxl5
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg John • TheCoffee • Tim!
 * Pictogram voting rename.png →
 * Pictogram voting rename.png →

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Bbb23

Interface administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg TonyBallioni

Guideline and policy news
 * A request for comment is in progress to remove the T2 (template that misrepresents established policy) speedy deletion criterion.

Technical news
 * Protection templates on mainspace pages are now automatically added by User:MusikBot II (BRFA).

Arbitration
 * Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold an RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. The RfC has been posted at Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC and is open to comments from the community.
 * The Medicine case was closed, with a remedy authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for all discussions about pharmaceutical drug prices and pricing and for edits adding, changing, or removing pharmaceutical drug prices or pricing from articles.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3


Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:


 * The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
 * More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
 * Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
 * The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has been increasing every year.
 * Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode.  You can enable it in your preferences.
 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-28
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * The Score extension has been disabled for now. This is because of a security issue. It will work again as soon as the security issue has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 July. It will be on all wikis from 9 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Abstract Wikipedia is a new Wikimedia project. It will collect language-independent information that can be easily read in different languages. It builds on Wikidata. The name is preliminary. You can read more.
 * The iOS Wikipedia app developers are thinking about new experimental tools. If you use an iPhone you can help them by answering the survey.
 * Some rules for user signatures will soon be enforced. Lint errors and invalid HTML will no longer be allowed in user signatures. Nested substitution will not be allowed. A link to your user page, user talk page or user contributions will be required. You can check if your signature works with the new rules. This is because the signatures can cause problems for tools or other text on the page.

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 11:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-29
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Users can thank others for their edits. Checkusers can now see user data related to that action. This can help identify sock puppets who harass others using thanks.

Problems
 * Everyone was logged out a couple of weeks ago to fix a security problem. The problem was not entirely fixed. Because of this everyone was logged out once again last week.

Changes later this week
 * Wikis that are not for one specific language can translate pages. Sometimes parts of translations are outdated or missing. Outdated translations are marked with a pink background . Missing translations will also be marked in the future. This markup can sometimes break things. It can soon be disabled by using  on the source page.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 July. It will be on all wikis from 16 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikimedia code review plans to use GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers.

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Tech News: 2020-30
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. The mobile main page special casing stopped working 14 July. 60 wikis now have main pages that don't work well on mobile. You can see which ones, how to fix it and how to get help in Phabricator. This is the same problem that was reported in Tech News 2020/24 and 2020/26.

Problems
 * There is a problem with the interlanguage links. The interlanguage links are the links that help you find a specific page in a different language. The sorting is broken. The developers are working on a solution.
 * Some users keep getting the notifications for the same event. Some of these are old events.
 * Some users have trouble logging in. This is probably a browser cookie problem. The developers are working on understanding the problem. If you have trouble logging in you can see the details on Phabricator.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 July. It will be on all wikis from 23 July (calendar).

Future changes
 * There is a  link. This will disappear. That is because web browsers today can create a printable version or show how it will look in print anyway.

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, appreciate the friendly reminder and your continous effort on this nice idea. GermanJoe (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * It's my pleasure, and not my idea, just continuing the ideas of others who mostly left us, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

How to create infobox
Need help Chikukiri (talk) 14:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, many infoboxes already exist for most topic areas and purposes. You'll find a list at List of infoboxes. If you really wanted to create a completely new one, you'll find some general information at Help:Infobox. But in most cases it's probably not worth the hassle and usually more consistent to use a pre-defined one from the list. Hope this helps a bit. GermanJoe (talk) 20:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for you help Chikukiri (talk) 12:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I have created a new draft
Please check it. Thank you Sorry for any mistake Chikukiri (talk) 12:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Swachh Bharat Abhiyan
Hey, swachh bharat abhiyan is still active. It hasn't ended. Mzr743 (talk) 08:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Mzr743, apparently the article states this campaign ended in 2019. If you have other information, please provide a published reliable source (for example a newspaper or journal). The best place to discuss this would be Talk:Swachh Bharat Mission though, where other editors can chime in too and offer additional feedback. Generally speaking, you also should make sure that the infobox, the main text and eventual categories are all presenting the same status information. GermanJoe (talk) 08:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-31
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The Starter kit is now available for wiki communities. This page lists technical resources, tools, and recommendations. These are essential to operate a wiki project. This is mostly useful for smaller wikis where the community has limited experience with this.
 * The first features of the Desktop Improvements project are available for logged-in users on all wikis. In order to use them, uncheck ' in your local or global preferences in section '. More improvements are planned. Feedback is welcome.
 * Octicons-tools.svg On multiple wikis, a UTCLiveClock gadget is available. For wikis that import the gadget directly from mediawiki.org, end users can now choose a different timezone to show instead of UTC.

Problems
 * Octicons-tools.svg The deployment train for MediaWiki has been blocked this week.
 * Translation Notification Bot was sending the same message multiple times to every translator. This has been fixed.
 * Some users were receiving the same notification multiple times. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 29. It will be on all wikis from JUly 30 (calendar).

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2020). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Red Phoenix
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Euryalus • SQL
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Jujutacular • Monty845 • Rettetast • Madchester

Oversight changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg GB fan
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Keegan • Opabinia regalis • Premeditated Chaos

Guideline and policy news
 * There is an open request for comment to decide whether to increase the minimum duration a sanction discussion has to remain open (currently 24 hours).
 * Speedy deletion criterion T2 (template that misrepresents established policy) has been repealed following a request for comment.
 * Speedy deletion criterion X2 (pages created by the content translation tool) has been repealed following a discussion.
 * There is a proposal to restrict proposed deletion to confirmed users.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Your revert here
Hi GermanJoe,

I am a new Pending Changes Reviewer and I accepted the following revision here:



However, it seems you unaccepted this revision I accepted because it contained spam. I believe when you reverted this revision you were referring to this source, which you thought to be spam. I disagree; because this website is a legitimate information website on online gambling. Although it may not be written by lawyers, you can tell that it is well researched and detailed. An example is this page on general gambling and why it is legal/not legal.

I would like to know why you reverted this revision for future reference because I'm still new to reviewing pending changes. I would value your feedback. Thanks, P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 15:17, 31 July 2020 (UTC).


 * Hello, thank you for checking back. Generally, Wikipedia content should be based on sources from acknowledged experts with a history of accuracy and editorial oversight - so mostly mainstream newspapers, journals, books or major non-promotional websites with a full editorial staff. Personal websites by a group of laypeople are not suitable as sources. Also, as this site hosts advertising, bonus tips and betting recommendations, it is probable they have a financial interest aswell. So their content is neither reliable nor fully independent. Especially in gambling-related topics, but also in any other commercial topic, editors need to be extra careful to avoid such sources. GermanJoe (talk) 15:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback! P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-32
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * All queries to the Wikidata Query Service failed between 17:50 and 17:59 UTC on Thursday 23 July. Some queries failed during a longer period.
 * Interlanguage links were ordered incorrectly for the past few weeks. This problem was also mentioned in Tech News two weeks ago. The problem is now fixed.
 * There is a problem with the global preferences for the "" option. Developers are working on fixing it.
 * A bug in the Wikibase extension had disabled the "move" and "create" types of protection in the main (Gallery) namespace on Wikimedia Commons. New protections could not be added, and existing protections were not enforced, allowing some page moves and page creations that should not have been possible. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. This week, the current beta feature will become the video player for everyone on most non-Wikipedia wikis. The old player will be removed.
 * Users'  and   pages will now also be loaded on the mobile site. You can read documentation for how to avoid applying styles to the mobile skin.
 * Octicons-tools.svg In the MonoBook skin, the  identifier is now  . This may affect CSS and JS gadgets. Migration instructions can be found in T255953. This was previously mentioned in issue 27.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Bot operators can use Pywikibot to regularly archive discussions. The behavior when the bot uses  to prevent large archives was changed.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 5. It will be on all wikis from August 6 (calendar).

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Thank you for your reference management software updates
It will be invaluable for a chapter I am writing. Bellagio99 (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-33
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * FileImporter and FileExporter became standard features on all Wikis during the first week of August. They help you transfer files from local wikis to Wikimedia Commons with the original file information and history intact.

Problems
 * The mobile skin displays a message at the bottom of the page about who edited last. This message showed raw wikitext. This has now been fixed. Some messages in Structured Discussions and content translation may still appear as raw wikitext. Developers are working on it.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 12. It will be on all wikis from August 13 (calendar).

Future changes
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks.

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Exsite Webware delete
Please don't delete without discussion. Amongst other things, it's not proper Wikipedia behavior. I'm restoring the delete, and ask that you discuss first. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santamoly (talk • contribs) 02:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, please read the clear notice on top of the edit window for List of content management systems - entries should only be added with a Wikipedia article (= an accepted mainspace article) to avoid bloating such lists with promotional entries of minor products. Once the draft has been reviewed and accepted by an uninvolved reviewer, it can be added of course. Also, please disclose any possible conflict of interest, if you have one, regarding this topic. Thank you for your consideration. GermanJoe (talk) 06:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, you are incorrect about the deletion of such edits. Content that doesn't meet Wikipedia's content guidelines can be removed anytime by any editor (if a meaningful edit summary is provided). See also WP:BRD for additional information. GermanJoe (talk) 06:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-34
<section begin="technews-2020-W34"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * If you revert an edit using the undo link your edit is marked with an  tag. This will now only happen if you don't change anything in the edit window before publishing the undo. This is to keep users from marking edits as undos when they actually do something else.
 * The new OOUI version will not work with Internet Explorer 8. This means the wikis will look strange and not work well in Internet Explorer 8. This was reported in Tech/News/2020/17. This is because keeping the wikis working with very old browsers creates other problems.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 August. It will be on all wikis from 20 August (calendar).

Future changes
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis next week. This is a reminder. You can help by translating the announcement message.

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Tech News: 2020-35
<section begin="technews-2020-W35"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 August. It will be on all wikis from 27 August (calendar).

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Sir need to know about the reason why did you revert my uploads
Can you reply sir? Sharan Sharma the clicker (talk) 07:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Please see the advice already given at your user talkpage. But quoting from the guideline "Free images should not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits or titles in the image itself" - several images of yours included a copyright notice within the image itself. Such notices are also covered within this guideline. A free image on Wikipedia should have no manual distorting additions whatsoever. Also, please note that images should add to the encyclopedic understanding of an article in directly relevant context - merely decorative images with little or vague context are generally discouraged. GermanJoe (talk) 07:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #4
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Reply tool


The Reply tool  has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.


 * More than 300 editors used the Reply tool at these four Wikipedias. They  posted more than 7,400 replies during the study period.
 * Of the people who posted a comment with the Reply tool, about 70% of them used the tool multiple times. About 60% of them used it on multiple days.
 * Comments from Wikipedia editors are positive. One said, أعتقد أن الأداة تقدم فائدة ملحوظة؛ فهي تختصر الوقت لتقديم رد بدلًا من التنقل بالفأرة إلى وصلة تعديل القسم أو الصفحة، التي تكون بعيدة عن التعليق الأخير في الغالب، ويصل المساهم لصندوق التعديل بسرعة باستخدام الأداة.  ("I think the tool has a significant impact; it saves time to reply while the classic way is to move with a mouse to the Edit link to edit the section or the page which is generally far away from the comment. And the user reaches to the edit box so quickly to use the Reply tool.")

The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

The Reply tool is still in active development. Per request from the Dutch Wikipedia and other editors, you will be able to customize the edit summary. (The default edit summary is "Reply".) A "ping" feature is available in the Reply tool's visual editing mode. This feature searches for usernames. Per request from the Arabic Wikipedia, each wiki will be able to set its own preferred symbol for pinging editors. Per request from editors at the Japanese and Hungarian Wikipedias, each wiki can define a preferred signature prefix in the page MediaWiki:Discussiontools-signature-prefix. For example, some languages omit spaces before signatures. Other communities want to add a dash or a non-breaking space.

New requirements for user signatures

 * The new requirements for custom user signatures began on 6 July 2020. If you try to create a custom signature that does not meet the requirements, you will get an error message.
 * Existing custom signatures that do not meet the new requirements will be unaffected temporarily . Eventually, all custom signatures will need to meet the new requirements. You can check your signature and see lists of active editors whose custom signatures need to be corrected.  Volunteers have been contacting editors who need to change their custom signatures.  If you need to change your custom signature, then please read the help page.

Next: New discussion tool
Next, the team will be working on a tool for quickly and easily starting a new discussion section to a talk page. To follow the development of this new tool, please put the New Discussion Tool project page on your watchlist.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-36
<section begin="technews-2020-W36"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * This is a reminder. All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 14:00 and 15:00 UTC. Please check on the details on the announcement message.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Time series database § RfC on inclusion criteria
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Time series database § RfC on inclusion criteria. I've started a formal RfC to try to resolve the dispute on what time series databases should be included in the article on them. As someone who's commented in discussions related to this in the past I'm notifying you as a courtesy. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 03:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Eddie891
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Angela • Jcw69 • Just Chilling • Philg88 • Viajero

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg SQL

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, the minimum length for site ban discussions was increased to 72 hours, up from 24.
 * A request for comment is ongoing to determine whether paid editors must or should use the articles for creation process.
 * A request for comment is open to resolve inconsistencies between the draftification and alternative to deletion processes.

Arbitration
 * A request for comment is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the 2020 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
 * An open request for comment asks whether active Arbitrators may serve on the Trust and Safety Case Review Committee or Ombudsman commission.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

List of manual image annotation tools
Why Labelbox.com is a valid online platform and trainingset.ai is not? Both are free and offer similar capabilities? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.54.34.98 (talk) 14:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Because all entries need some independent reliable sources with significant coverage about the added tool (or a stand-alone article on Wikipedia including such sources). GermanJoe (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-37
<section begin="technews-2020-W37"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Normally pages can be moved to a title that has no existing page yet or to a page that has only one revision, which is a redirect to the page to be moved. A new user right allows editors to move pages over one-revision pages that redirect to anywhere.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 September. It will be on all wikis from 10 September (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg All MediaWiki API modules will now use  instead of  . This was inconsistent before.

Future changes
 * The Wikipedia Android app team might work on patrolling tools in the future. You can let them know what tools would be useful for you or for less experienced patrollers. See the page on mediawiki.org.
 * OTRS will be updated to a new version. This will probably take around two days. OTRS agents will not have access to the system during these days. Emails that come in during the update will be delivered when the update is done. The plan is to start around 08:00 UTC on 14 September. This could change.
 * The Wikipedia Android app will send push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will need Google Play Services to work. It will also be possible to get the app without Google Play Services but push notifications will not work. Google Play Services is also used to make the app work for Android 4.4 users.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikimedia code review could move to GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. You can take part in the consultation.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Dropdown menus in the Vector skin use a  class. This will not work in the future. Scripts can use   instead.   and   will also not work. Some scripts need to be updated. You can read more in Phabricator.

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Hokaglish
Just wanted to let you know that I moved this back from draftspace, because I didn't believe your original move to draftspace was appropriate given that it was a longstanding article. See WP:DRAFTIFY for when moves to draftspace are acceptable. Feel free to nominate for deletion though -- I agree that it's not a great article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am sure you moved this in good faith, but this seems really a bit too bureaucratic. After a long and complicated discussion, the author of the page himself agreed that the page would be better placed in draftspace for now. For what it's worth, the draft should not be deleted of course. This topic - aside from it's editorial problems with only 1 notable source - seems it could be improved over time (only by topic experts though). Maybe this is the first time, I'd like to claim WP:IAR in my Wiki career :). GermanJoe (talk) 09:33, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * PS: I have restored the talkpage of this article (or draft). Whatever it is, the talkpage contains relevant information about past discussions and the article's history - seems like a mistaken deletion during the back and forth movement. GermanJoe (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The thing is, it already was deleted in draftspace after it wasn't edited for six months. And whenever something is moved to draftspace and isn't edited in 6 months, that's what happens... I restored it after it was deleted, and in the process of doing that I saw that it was a longstanding article. Anyways because to the threat of deletion in draftspace, I don't think this was bureaucratic at all. (If the draftspace didn't have an automatic deletion mechanism mechanism, I wouldn't really care one way or the other.) Thanks for restoring the talk page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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Tech News: 2020-38
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Problems
 * The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours.

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
G'day everyone, voting for the 2020 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2020. Thanks from the outgoing coord team, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Your revert Fog computing on Vlado Stankovski's edits
Hi,

I do not at all understand how I violated the terms with my edits. First of all, I have not written anything about myself or about any of my things. I highlighted an improved understanding of the term fog computing. This is really something missing on this page. DECENTER project is a research and innovation project, so even less biased than OpenFog. The "advertisement" on the left side, isn't that biased towards just one group of companies? We do not receive extra funding from mentioning the DECENTER project in Wikipedia. The article is currently very biased towards just one definition of a business group - the OpenFog, which I think is not what the spirit of Wikipedia is. The term "fogging" who wrote that, I do not think it is even technical.

Hence, adding my edits are meant to bring new quality for the readers in understanding what fog computing is. I think because I work in this area for about 15+ years, and I am professor of computer science, I should be allowed to highlight aspects of fog computing, as this had been done by other authors. I would be very grateful for your response. This is not about me, but, about the others.

Anyhow, I am not and will not be paid for this work, and what i have provided is my best effort to highlight a term, which i think is very important in understanding why at all the term "fog" is used. As one can see from reading the whole page, no author so far has explained anything like that, and I see this page for quite some time. So, it seems it is missing and should be explained. This is how community work builds.

Also mentioning DECENTER, I think it is really important to understand the state-of-the-art in the subject area. There's one more project that could be mentioned RainbowH2020. Similarly to OpenFog, DECENTER also contributes towards the definition of what fog computing is in substance. Focusing just on OpenFog makes this article extremely biased and that is frustrating. Also, the cited article is not about myself, it is about a publication that shines information for better understanding, so, I do not really think i am violating the terms and conditions.

Please, if you accept this explanation, could you please bring back my text to the page? Best regards, Vlado — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladoStankovski (talk • contribs) 10:38, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, as a dissemination manager (according to your edit summary), you have a clear and direct conflict of interest whether you are being specifically paid for these edits or not. WP:COI includes and relates to all kinds of unpaid conflicts of interest - Wikipedia is no PR platform to draw attention to organizations, projects or any other external cause. And you have an additional COI using your own publications as sources (see WP:SELFCITE). I hope this clarifies the issue a bit. If you feel that the content would be helpful to improve the article, please suggest an edit request on the article's talkpage. I'd also recommend to find truely independent sources for such suggestions. By the way, I sort of agree with your criticism about a somewhat one-sided presentation of the topic. Sourced suggestions for improvements on article talk to fix this aspect would certainly be appreciated (as noted, independent sources are always preferred). GermanJoe (talk) 17:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi so we sort of agree that it is questionable if the article on the OpenFog Consortium was written by somebody who is neither "a dissemination manager", nor with a "clear and direct conflict of interest whether"... they ... " are being specifically paid for these edits or not" directly or indirectly linked to the OpenFog Consortium? Would this assume I should find an XY person who is going to write that "selfcite" for me and that would be morally acceptable and scientifically impartial? I have seen for example many Wikipedia pages of "important people" that I should trust have been written by impartial persons, somewhere from the other side of the Globe? I just wrote this, because these are particularly the kind of questions we have been discussing lately, and our new Horizon 2020 project called ONTOCHAIN (https://www.f6s.com/ontochainwildandcrazyideassessiongecon2020/about) would have direct implications to trust management in this kind of situations. I have been in contact with Carole Goble, Soeren Auer and other people for years. Anyhow, in complex questions like this one, it is really difficult to assess the impartiality, and according to the Kurt Goedel's incompleteness theorems, there is no single truth either. Perhaps, i can refrain from putting my own reference there, or ask some other people to do it for me, however, it is cited and known already, Google finds it, so, it makes really no sense. Then from the viewpoint of clarity, the whole page is not really clear, it is biased, and i know it from professional viewpoint. Anyhow, what I cannot be convinced is that all those references cited under the same page have been brought up by "independent editors and sources", it would be impossible to convince me otherwise. In fact, i see no reason for that, Wikipedia is not presenting the truth, but it is about presenting the multi-sided aspects of the same thing, so that people can see, read, and understand their own truth out of what is written.

One more thing, related to citations. I do write papers, but, never have i used a reference from a wikipedia page. I usually come, and see what they explain on a subject matter. For referencing, i use other search services. So, citing myself in here would not make me more popular than i am, really. Even, it is the first time in many years i do an edit here. Anyhow, thank you very much for the feedback, and I will see what I will do, I am a busy man, but, I can definitely say I was curious about your response.


 * Yes, if you have a conflict of interest please avoid adding your own publications and suggest changes in affected content on article talk rather than editing these articles yourself. Unfortunately a lot of editors with a conflict of interest have written biased or promotional content in the past, and Wikipedia as a community has only tightened their policies about this issue in recent years - so many "old" articles with flaws still remain for now until they can get fixed. Just for clarity: you are of course welcome to edit articles in your area of expertise, as long as the specific content is not directly related to your conflict of interest. Anyway, thank you for your understanding and the thoughtful response even if we disagree on some points. GermanJoe (talk) 09:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Your revert here
Hi GermanJoe. I'm new to editing Wikipedia. I'm wondering if you can explain your revert here. You wrote "source already given, not a survey list". The sentence in question acts as a statement of consensus in the field (in the introductory paragraph, no less), but only one source is cited - even though a major part of establishing consensus is showing that multiple works are pointing to the same conclusion. Also, I'm not sure what "not a survey list" means. Thanks! Hypatia&#39;s Quill (talk) 23:18, 22 August 2020 (UTC)HypatiasQuill
 * Hello, the basic information was already referenced, and additional sources do not strengthen the claim or added anything substantially new. Of course there are often multiple sources saying the same (or almost the same) thing, but for Wikipedia's purpose of verification 1 reliable source is generally sufficient (unless the claim is controversial or extraordinary). GermanJoe (talk) 10:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply. I think I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, I find myself scratching my head a bit. The paper already cited is an important one, but it's a small conference paper (probably peer reviewed), while the other is a more robust journal paper (definitely peer reviewed), which qualifies as strengthening the claim made, as far as I can figure. I also can't help but notice several cases elsewhere on the page where there are multiple sources cited that don't seem to add to the claim made (starting with the opening definition sentence). So it seems that the "one reliable source for verification" rule is the minimum, with additional citations being acceptable, as long as ... well, I'm not sure (my assumption: that they are relevant and important). I have several more sources I'd like to add, but I don't want to do the work only to have it undone ... Can you provide any more insight and guidance here? Hypatia&#39;s Quill (talk) 13:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)HypatiasQuill
 * If a given fact is already sourced, I wouldn't bother searching for additional sources - unless the original source is unreliable or outdated of course. But replacing questionable sources or finding references for unsourced content would certainly be appreciated. And of course you can also add new sources, if given content has been substantially changed or when you add completely new relevant information. If you feel that a reliable publication has additional information to offer, you could also add it to "Further reading" for the time being, so other editors and readers can use it as ressource in the future. Hope these tips help a bit. While only an essay, you'll find a few more thoughts on the broader aspect at Citation overkill. GermanJoe (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the additional information! I'll keep your points in mind. I suppose additions may be rejected but that doesn't mean they aren't valid -- just may need to be placed elsewhere. I'll be giving the essay you recommended a read now, too. Hypatia&#39;s Quill (talk) 23:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

About Spam Links(!)
Hello GermanJoe, You said some of my edits are spam. But they are not. How could you decide that? Do you have enough experience on that area? You can not block people to edit or add somthing without really examining. Thanks for everything.
 * If you ignore the warnings on your user talkpage, you will be blocked. Please note that promotional websites and blogs are generally not reliable sources for encyclopedic content. All other necessary information is available, when you follow the links on your user talkpage to the respective guidelines and policies. GermanJoe (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * GermanJoe: Tecbrain is a confirmed serial liar, sock puppet and spammer. See Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Hamitdmr. If you see another user spamming with links to Ant Media, recreating Ant Media Server or resubmitting the repeatedly declined Draft:Ant Media Server, please consider filing another report at SPI. Thanks.—J. M. (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-39
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Recent changes
 * There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page.

Changes later this week
 * The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).

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Tech News: 2020-40
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Recent changes Problems
 * Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete.
 * Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days.
 * Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).

Future changes
 * You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
 * The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
 * In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see  as one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021.
 * You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
 * You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020). Administrator changes
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 * A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely 1) if the result of a deletion discussion is to draftify; or 2) if the article is newly created.

Technical news
 * The filter log now provides links to view diffs of deleted revisions (T261630).

Arbitration
 * The 2020 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place from September 27th to October 7th.
 * Following a request for comment, sitting Committee members may not serve on either the Ombuds Commission or the WMF Case Review Committee. The Arbitration Committee passed a motion implementing those results into their procedures.

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 * The Universal Code of Conduct draft is open for community review and comment until October 6th, 2020.
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Tech News: 2020-41
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Recent changes
 * There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
 * You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page.

Problems
 * There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late.
 * Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
 * Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in  is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis.

Future changes
 * You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.

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Tech News: 2020-42
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Problems
 * Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late.

Changes later this week
 * Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new stable version of Pywikibot is coming soon.

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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