User talk:Gerry D/archive4

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Timber
Hi Dinch, looks like I'm the first to leave a message here since archiving. If you want to make an article on PA lumber history that is a good start, but there is a lot to add to it still. Other areas of PA and wood alcohol, for example. I will work on the boom next. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I reread the above and it sounds more negative than I meant it to - I just meant the history would be a very substantial topic, but what you already have a is a good start. I get too many things on my plate, but have slowly been working on the Boom - do my edits seem OK? I will try to look up the Historical Society Journal article on Perkins next (basis of the web article by Hunsinger) and see what else is available (Now and Then, local papers). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am working on the map right now. Congrats on finishing the settlement dates - did you add them all to your watchlist ;-) ? I want to go through all the PA counties and update their infoboxes like I did in Ohio, add the PennDot maps, and add the school district maps to any school district articles. There is a certain satisfaction in finishing something like that. Good luck with the NC parks, and thanks. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have 1164 on mine - I prune every so often, but last month I finally went over 1000 and have been on a tear since. I have a few pages that get more vandalism than any others (Johnny Appleseed for one). The map itself is done, now I have to draw in the booms by hand (oh joy). Actually I found a really cool source - Penn Pilot is historic aerial photos from 1938, less than thirty years after the boom shur down. Anyway you can see the cribs in the river in the pictures. They are not free to use (not old enough) but way cool. The links is http://www.pennpilot.psu.edu/county/40/Lycoming.html Ruhrfisch  &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just double checked and PennPilot images were originially US Department of Agriculture, so the are public domain and free to use! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck with all your other work - I am tracing the photos showing the cribs from the booms then superimposing that on the river map I already have. It is taking a while but should be very nice. Take care, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello
You aren't by any chance related to (officer) Lenny Dincher from Williamsport, are you? Tlesher 04:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Boom map
Hi Dinch, thanks for fixing the PA protected areas navbox. I have not carefully read the forests updates, but at a glance they look good. I have been working on the Boom map a lot, to the exclusion of almost everything else on Wiki. I have a bunch of sources and may finish today or definitely tomorrow. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the map where I got my lumber mill ponds from - I also see there is a bridge from Williamsport to Beacon Street in South Williamsport. I can't find it on any other later maps, though. It is not the Maynard Street bridge (it is a bit west of there). Do you know it? I am also wondering if Goose Island is the one just west of the Arch Street bridge, close to the Duboistown coast (I am pretty sure it is). There were two of the seven booms there. I scanned some pictures from Taber's book, including one of the boom tug and a crib behind it, and a splash dam and some others. I think WDHC would be perhaps more appealing to a general audience than LC (what do you think?), but appreciate your kind words, as always. Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the map to the Susquehanna Boom article - went with a split version as the whole thing is too wide to show detail even at 800 pixels (although both the full width and split versions are on Commons). I left the weird bridge or whatever off the map as it is only on the one map (and not in Meginness, who did have Maynard Street bridge in, so I wonder if it is a slightly misplaced Maynard Street bridge?). Here is the map link (have to zoom in to see it). I agree that the cribs have been the seeds for island growth, but the island closest to the Duboistown shore and Arch Street bridge is Goose Island, according to Taber's book (and seems to predate the boom). The Goose Island Boom (one of the seven) closed off the gut there and made it into the log storage pond for the Dubois owned mill on the nearby shore. I drew current islands that did not seem to be in existence back in the heyday of the boom as the dark blue outline filled in. Any feedback on the map would be appreciated very much. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sinnemahoning Creek needs to be split up (when I get a chance), so since there are subheaders, I left it that way (the major branches are very big in terms of drainage basins). I updated the boom maps a bit. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried the wide image template for the wide map, and like it better than the vertical map - what do you think? I also got 6 maps uploaded for NC counties today. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Robeson County, North Carolina nav template
Hi Dinch, I like the Robeson County, North Carolina nav template, but my personal preference is to split up the cities and towns and to list the CDPs too (in the county article too). Are there townships in Robeson County? If so, they would need at least stubs and added to the nav template. I made a minor cleanup edit to the template (final entry not followed by a "|" pipe). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Dinch, I made and added a map of the county (from the census) and formatted the city, town, CDP and moved the township info down from higher up in the article in the style of PA and OH counties. If you like the map I will work on them for the other NC counties if you like, take care Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Dinch, if NC is like OH, townships are not incorporated municipalities, but just county subdivisions (originally for survey work, I think). In Ohio at least a city can annex land from a township fairly easily. Census-designated places should be the same all over the US. I will work on the maps, looks like I am also going to go back to helping with semi-automated peer reviews too. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:19, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Howdy Dinch, I've made five NC county maps - all the ones you've made nav boxes for so far. How many NC counties are there? I am afraid to ask as I figure we won't stop until every county has one. Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update - Scotland's map is done and up, and I am working on Bladen, but am not sure how much more I will get done tonight. Did you see the list of state parks is now in Polish too? Take care, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Dinch, in Image:North Carolina Map Highlighting Richmond County.PNG do you want the county to be green (and not red)? I will do a Richmond Co map next, the others are Hope all is well, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Rothrock
Hi Dinch, I would either try the variety of what he did: Did you know that Joseph Rothrock, known as the "Father of Forestry" in Pennsylvania, was also a botanist, physician, professor, American Civil War veteran, and the namesake for Rothrock State Forest? Or just focus on the forestry aspect: Did you know that Joseph Rothrock, founder of Pennsylvania's State Forest system and school for foresters, is known as the "Father of Forestry" in the state and the namesake of Rothrock State Forest? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some copyedits on it and changed the photo license too. Good luck with the DYK nom, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was out in the woods and in one of my favorite creeks today (of course I have about a zillion favorite creeks ;-) ). I will be working on dots for Illinois parks tonight, plus semi-automated peer reviews (oh joy). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Alamance County Template
Thanks, Dincher! 5minutes 14:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The map is done too. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Harnett, Lee and Moore are done now too. Moore, I mean more please ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Anson and Union maps are up too. 16 down, 84 to go, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Lincoln, Cleveland, and Gaston are up now too Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Rutherford and Polk counties have maps now - Polk is in the corner of Rutherford so it was easy to make. I think that's 21. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dinch, I am working on the three new maps - one is done, but it is faster for me to upload them all to Commons at once, so I will wait and finish them tomorrow. I made a vertical version of the Susquehanna Boom map at Image:Susquehanna Boom Map Vertical.PNG and may try it in the article at about 225 pixels wide - what do you think of it? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Rothrock

 * Congrats Dinch, another well-deserved DYK! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

NC Counties map question
I have done maps for all of the counties you told me about, plus Graham and Swain (as they were easy maps). I have been removing the American Indian areas from all the NC County maps. When I started making maps, all of Robeson County is a Lumbee area, for example, and as it was the first map I did, I just took the shading out and kept removing it in all the other maps too.

Should I be leaving the American Indian areas in the maps? The map for each county currently shows political divisions (cities, towns, townships) and CDPs (not political but have articles). I have not read every NC county article I have added a map to carefully, but I didn't see any mention of these American Indian areas in the articles, which is another reason I left them out. I am also not clear what the areas are - reservations? census statistical areas?

Anyway, Swain County has the town of Cherokee, but it is in the Eastern Cherokee Reservation and is not shown separately on the map. I could leave the American Indian areas in (which would mean redoing several of the maps) but even that would not show the town of Cherokee for Swain County. Any advice or ideas? If I am going to redo the maps and leave the American Indian areas in, I should stop making new maps and fix all the old ones.

Looking at the last page of the NC census maps here, it looks as if only the Cherokee lands are in an actual reservation. That would affect only Jackson, Swain, Graham and Cherokee Counties. I am confused. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Followup - looking at the National Map and reading the Census map source text, it seems that the Census map shows both statistical areas they use and reservations. Since reservations are political units, they should be included in the county maps, I think, but the statistical units are probably not noteworthy. What do you think? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked it up and the Eastern Cherokee Reservation is the only one in North Carolina. I added a map of Haywood County (number 30 if I counted right). I also fixed the maps of Cherokee, Graham, Swain, and Jackson Counties, which contain the other parts. Since it is the only reservation, I will not change the other maps and will keep removing the statistical areas, sound good? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I made maps and added them for Buncombe, Madison, and Yancey Counties too - now pages 1 and 2 of the Census maps are done, and I am at 33 of 100 or one third. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Appreciated. &quot;Country&quot; Bushrod Washington 02:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

History of Williamsport, Pennsylvania
Hi Dincher. You are off to such a great start on the article History of Williamsport, Pennsylvania that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 20:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the medal and on reaching 33 counties. I have added photos to the Boom, Grit and Herdic articles, but am not sure any of them would be good for the DYK itself. Not able to do too much today on Wiki anyway (as you know) - sorry, and thanks for a good idea Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the latest DYK - hopefully I can see if I have a picture for the Daniel Hughes article tomorrow. I will also work on the NC county maps as I will have better computer access soon. You've been busy! Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats yet again - I am working on all the maps (and a few more easy ones). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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More maps done
Hi Dinch, I think you already knew I added maps to Brunswick and New Hanover counties. I also added them to Beaufort, Carteret, and Chatham Counties. Beaufort was easy to do (and gives you something to do while I catch up ;-) ). Have at least started all the other maps. Happy Fourth and congrats again on the Daniel Hughes DYK, great timing! Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Craven, Duplin, and Greene are done now too Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC) Add Johnston, Jones, and Lenoir to the done list too, Ruhrfisch  <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am caught up (at least with counties that you've told me about). I added maps to Onslow, Pamlico, Pender, Pitt, Wake, and Wayne counties. I think this is 53 maps of NC counties done, so we're over half way! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Miscellany
I am not sure what cities should be on a Daniel Hughes map. Williamsport PA, Havre de Grace MD, Elmira NY, maybe Harrisburg and Sunbury, any others? I could put a mileage scale on it too, but am not sure where I would get distance / miles on the river itself.

Thanks for adding the Weightman block photo - will see if I can get a skyline shot somehow sometime soon.

I will answer the Commons question on Dan's talk page - hope yours was a Happy 4th! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I took two breaks out of the template and now it is just four lines in my browser, otherwise it looks fine to me. I previewed all the links and they all are OK except Juneau, which is a redirect. Busy today, so not much done here. I miscounted on maps - I have made 50 (but there are 53 categories of NC county maps on Commons, which is where I got 53). Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am up to 56 maps for NC now too. Keep on making those nav boxes! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Maps for Granville and Person counties are done and up now too. Just a few more maps and categories and I will be over 1000 edits on Commons. I should figure out how many maps I have made and how many photos I have taken and uploaded sometime. So I think we are up to 58 done! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dinch, I will work on the four new maps - I did fix the Beaufort County NC locator map you made as the water was more turquoise color than the standard blue. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Dinch, I was busy today and spent my limited Wiki time fixing the NY locator map. As a chemist, I know another name for color blindness is Daltonism as John Dalton was the first to describe it (and suffered from it). Compared to pigeons we are all color blind (they see in four colors, humans in at most three). Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Surry, Forsyth, and Yadkin Templates
Thanks for the thanks! I have enjoyed making the few templates that I have done. I created the Surry County template back on May 23, I think the history shows, when to my knowledge there were no other templates. I needed an easier way to organize the towns, townships and communities of Surry County. Others and myself have refined Surry over the last couple of months and I am now thrilled to see that you have created so many of these for the other counties. I love that we have a uniform (mostly) system. I like the townships being included and will soon have entries for all of Forsyth's to go with Surry and Yadkin. I agree that counties don't usually grant much political rights to townships, especially in western NC. To my knowledge, Surry, Yadkin and Wake are the only complete sets (but Forsyth is coming very soon!). These templates are a must to best organize the information on the cities, towns, villages, townships, CDPs/other unincorporated communities. Thanks for making so many of them! Naytchrboy 20:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for the kind words and encouragement. 4 NC counties (Forsyth, Surry, Wake, Yadkin) have complete articles on their townships. Look for Alleghany to be complete in the next several days. Doing all 100? Probably not the job for me (at least not very quickly) but I hope that my efforts to document "my neck of the woods" encourages others to do so as well. Who knows? Maybe we'll see more of them pop up (or maybe after a looong time, I'll have them all done). Naytchrboy 03:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Map explosion
Hi Dinch, I made and added twenty-two North Carolina County maps tonight. They are: Alexander County, Alleghany County, Ashe County, Avery County, Caldwell County, Caswell County, Davidson County, Davie County, Durham County, Forsyth County, Guilford County, Iredell County, Mitchell County, Orange County, Randolph County, Rockingham County, Rowan County, Stokes County, Surry County, Watauga County, Wilkes County, and Yadkin County. I am working from pages in a PDF document so the first seven pages are all done now. Have fun making nav templates and thanks! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Connor and Lee
I started pages on Dan Connor and Sean Lee today. What other current Nittany Lions should have an article? Thanks for the work on Coach Bradley. Dincher 23:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Thanks to you! He's been on my "to do" list, but I've been unable to find his birthdate and lost any momentum I had. Excited to see your work on Connor and Lee too. I have lots of former players on my list but Deon Butler is the only current player I can think of. Keep up the good work. —<font color="#000033">x <font color="#003399">a <font color="#3366CC">n <font color="#99CCFF">d <font color="#6699FF">e <font color="#3366CC">r <font color="#003399">e <font color="#000000">r  23:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Very cool. I had checked the List of Penn State football players, which doesn't have him at all.  I don't think I checked the 2007 team page before I put the comment.  I was projecting ahead a bit for Wallace and Quarless, so they probably don't need pages yet. Pepperjack 13:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The only thing I could was his old recruiting stuff. It doesn't list where he was born--just that he went to high school in Uniondale, NY.Pepperjack 15:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

One hundred and done
I finished all of the maps and they are all on the right NC county pages. Burke County had a nav box from someone else. I will make a pass through the PA counties and do some systematic cleanup, then may go through NC, but will ask you about changes beforehand. Have fun with the last 20! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I needed something to cool down after the 100 NC maps, so I did maps for all 5 Rhode Island counties today. It was fun to do the maps, and when I got to 80 it was easier to just finish the ones I had not done already. Let me know if you see any errors, please. My sympathies on the impending return of the wee ones ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being the first on my new talk page Dinch. For whatever reason, Delaware's Census maps only show the county outlines and not the cities etc. within them (see here). I am working in Louisiana and Connecticut would also be fairly easy (only eight counties). Kansas also looks not bad for editing - most counties are rectangles and simple. I will copyedit the speedway article next, take care. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

More maps
I am working on a map for the Daniel Hughes article. Not sure how good it will be. If the map shows Elmira and Havre de Grace and Williamsport, there is not a lot of room for Muncy.

There is a series of decent NYC locator maps (here is the one for Manhattan), so I will pass on that for now. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC) I finally finished all the Louisiana Parish maps tonight. Not sure what else to do either tonight, may take a break. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Hughes map (or at least the first version) is up on the article - any feedback is sought and welcomed, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I will add a black one pixel border to the Hughes map. Do you think it also needs a scale (miles) and North arrow? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, the map is updated with the border, distance scale, and North indicator. When I lived in Europe I learned that many people there do not know where many of the US states are, so I always try to add North and indicate the states. Of course, many in the US are also not sure of all the states. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats on and thanks for finishing the NC county nav boxes. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 10:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am trying to finish the locator dots for all the Illinois parks etc. After that I have some ideas for my projects, but am also getting busier in real life. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Caledonia State Park
You're welcome. I do have a few more pics of Caledonia, and a few others, so I'll upload them soon. Regards!--Whytecypress 01:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

- I'll be sure to get them to you. Thanks about the userboxes.--Whytecypress 01:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Woodchuck
I fixed the chart - there was a hard return in the middle of a table row. I was trying to add the PennDOT county maps to all the state parks. Why do there have to be 120 of them? Why did I not get the title right on most of the map refs? Sigh. Do you want me to work on Woodcheck too - I think I was supposed to do the other counties formed from Lycoming part of it, right? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The title error is my fault - I either put "of" in or omitted "Pennsylvania", should be "2007 General Highway Map Monroe County Pennsylvania" for example. I had the error and then kept copying and pasting it. I will finish the parks and try to correct the errors tonight, then work on the counties if I am able. May also try uploading some of the pictures I've taken lately. Hang in there at work, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I can make a stub for Plunketts Creek. I also own Taber's book(let) on the Wiliamsport and Elmira Railroad (it ran along Lycoming Creek, so I got it for that) and can work on a start class article for that RR. I assume it is the Mill Creek tributary on the east side of the Loyalsock (the one that runs through the township of the same name)? There is also a Mill Creek tributary of the Loyalsock on the west side, it is the source of water for Rose Valley Lake. Hmmm - maybe I can make an article about both and get a DYK (that Loyalsock Creek in Pennsylvania has two major tributaries named Mill Creek, whose mouths are within a mile of each other but on opposite banks? I'll see what I can do. All these creeks are under 25 square miles for their watershed areas, so the PA Gazetteer of Streams II does not mention them in any detail. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Plunketts Creek (Loyalsock Creek) is done and I think I will nominate it for a DYK (have couple of ideas) and see if I can get a photo of the creek for the article too. Turns out there are THREE Mill Creeks as Loyalsock tributaries (there's another one in Sullivan County). I will closely check the course of the Loyalsock to make sure there aren't any others out there hiding ;-) . I also think I can get a DYK out of the Williamsport and Elmira Railroad. Oh and all the state maps except Alaska are done. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Town Creek Indian Mound
Hi Dinch, how about Did you know... that Town Creek Indian Mound near Mount Gilead, North Carolina, preserves a ceremonial mound built by the Pee Dee with 563 burials that was excavated over a 50 year period? I finished Nevada's map and have 5 to go - they are all troublesome maps (foreign borders and / or pasting multiple images together), so it will take me a while. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually finished the Washington map, it just took a long time. Am working on Michigan now and Alaska will not be too much worse. Good luck with the DYK - I will work on the stubs for the Lycoming County list tonight. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Congrats Dinch! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Little League
Yes, it was in Bill Geist's book "Little League Confidential". Decent read, quite funny.

Sandbox
Would you please the categories in your sandbox, per this page? Also, please note that Category:United States state templates isn't the right place for your Pennsylvania county seats template. Nyttend 13:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion sought
Hi Dinch, could you p lease let me know which one you think works better as a DYK?

...that although Plunketts Creek in Pennsylvania was named for a suspected Loyalist during the American Revolution, by 1838 his name was so controversial that Plunketts Creek Township was named for the creek instead?

or

...that although Plunketts Creek in Pennsylvania was named for a suspected Loyalist during the American Revolution, by 1838 he was so controversial that Plunketts Creek Township was named for the creek instead of the man?

or

...that Plunketts Creek in Pennsylvania was named in 1783 for Colonel Plunkett, a suspected Loyalist in the American Revolution, and gave its name to Plunketts Creek Township in 1838 when Plunkett's name was deemed too controversial?

Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC) Thanks again for your help Dinch - it made DYK! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dinch, I added two pictures to the article and updated the pics in the Plunketts Creek Township article. I also nominated if for DYK with the picture. I am going though my pictures and have a bunch to upload - Bucktail State Park, Hyner View, Hyner Run, and Leonard Harrison. Also got a better picture of the Loyalsock Trailhead up too. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I waited to post it on DYK until I had the picture, although it seems there are more pix there lately. I also am trying to work through my picture backlog and upload them to Commons and post them in articles too. No pcture for WIlliamsport and Elmira RR, but did get one of the Mill Creeks on a recent trip. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Except for SE PA, the whole state is now under a drought watch (so lots of fish are hurting, I would imagine). The Williamsport and Elmira ran up Lycoming Creek as far as Ralston then went to Canton and on to Elmira. It ceased to exist as an independent RR in 1863 when it was leased by the Northern Central Railroad and effectively became part of the Pennsylvania Railroad in 1875. The track was abandoned after Hurricane Agnes destroyed much of it and several bridges in June 1972. The DYK hook here is that while it was the nth railroad chartered in Pennsylvania, it was the first in that state to go bankrupt (have to double check what n is, I think it is twelfth). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I got the note - thanks for the heads up - am busy now, but have replied on the DYK nomination page and will take a look at the expansion in a few hours. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I like those pics too - have also been adding Commonscat to a few articles so pics on COmmons that there's no room for in article show up soemwhere. More later, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Alamance Battleground
i added the NRHP infobox to the article, along with additional details, references, content, wikification, and a copy edit. i'll be adding to the detail over the next week. let me know if you need other infoboxes or assistance, as i contribute a lot to NRHP articles. on a personal note, a couple of the wikiprojects i am involved with just achieved FA status for a national historic landmark article, the Chicago Board of Trade Building. we have achieved GA status with multiple NRHP articles related to chicago. check out Chicago Theatre and the List of Chicago Landmarks. LurkingInChicago 03:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Alamance Battleground
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Welcome back
Thanks for the DYK congrats and glad you made it back safely. We had a very nice time Friday - thanks again. I looked at Alamance Battleground but no obvious DYK hook came to mind - sorry. I think I have Plunketts Creek up to GA at least, probably even A level. Not sure it could be FA (not that much there) but may try it after I add a few more items. There is a Tolkien story Leaf by Niggle, where he sets out to paint a tree and only ends up painting one of its leaves. So I want to do the Loyalsock at FA level (and the whole West Branch watershed) and instead get only the most minor tributaries and sub tribs done. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Caroig is working on a Template:Geobox for protected areas, but it does not seem to be done. I found a draft version of it at Template:Geobox Protected Area, but it did not have IUCN information across the top (your favorite, I know). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, Template:Geobox Protected Area is complete and used on a few articles. The IUCN information is part of the template.  Shawangunk Grasslands National Wildlife Refuge is probably the best example of a US park using the template and I thinks its an improvement on the current Infobox template.  The only outstanding issue I see is that the Geobox does not convert acres to square km, instead it converts them to hectares (also sq miles to sq km).  VerruckteDan 23:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking it only made sense to convert the PA start park articles with pictures to the Geobox. I also think you can do this with the AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) but have never used or even tried it. I may try converting a few parks just to see what they look like. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I did a test conversion at Point State Park, let me know what you think. VerruckteDan 04:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I did the next most important state park, Upper Pine Bottom State Park. Feedback appreciated, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I made a checklist of PA state parks to help track the conversion process. VerruckteDan 16:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been changing the rounding for the area and elevation to 1. I think that having the conversions to the tenths place is a better accuracy than leaving it as a whole number.  Your thoughts?  VerruckteDan 23:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I will add the pictures and Geoboxes to those parks' articles - thanks for taking the pix! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Dan beat me to it - I did add another of your pix to RB Winter and fixed the coords on McCalls Dam. Nice pix, thanks again, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

ND city articles
I just want to thank you for your hard working adding the "settled in" category to ND city articles. I'm a member of WikiProject North Dakota and I, on behalf of the project, really appreciate your effort! --Matthew UND (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Zip to Zap
I read the article (and will make some copyedits later). I have a question - is it the only riot in ND history or the only riot quelled by the National Guard? As for the DYK, here is your suggection, slightly tightened and added the year: OR
 * ...that the Zip to Zap, originally intended as a spring break alternative in Zap, North Dakota in 1969, was the only riot quelled by the National Guard in the history of North Dakota?
 * ...that the Zip to Zap, originally intended as a 1969 spring break alternative in Zap, North Dakota, was the only riot quelled by the National Guard in the history of North Dakota?

Good luck and good article, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problemo - glad to be of help and look forward to seeing this on the main page. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the DYK, Dinch! Good to see it on the front page Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Thanks Dinch, I uploaded the Alvin R. Bush Dam picture to Commons (first USACE pic I uploaded) and put it on Kettle Creek State Park's article. I also added the pic to Elk State Park and will add Geoboxes later today (if Dan doesn't beat me to it ;-) ). Thanks again, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Both Geoboxes are up - thanks again Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

DCNR maps
Hi Dinch, They have had these maps on at least some of their park pages for a while - I originally made the PA locator map because I got a copyvio version of the DCNR Warrior's Path map deleted from the WPSP article (diff). The shaded area refers to the different PA areas, like PA Wilds. Not sure if the map in quesion is new or not. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)