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Nomination of Ricky Simms for deletion
The article Ricky Simms is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ricky Simms until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines. EyeSerene talk 14:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Orlady (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   06:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Dravecky (talk) 12:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

FLRC
nominated List of former municipalities of Norway for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk (talk)  12:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Jarle Aarbakke
I'm tempted to AFD this. Is he notable? He would seem to just reach requirements based on his publications but I can't find anything solid about him.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rector for nine years, chair of the Norwegian Association of Higher Education Institutions? Geschichte (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hoffmann
Hello. I couldn't find the info about father-son relationship. Forum is probably not a reliable source unfortunately, as you say. - Darwinek (talk) 22:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

re:From where?
Hello Geschichte. Thank you for your message. I have purposely omitted the footballing nationality of players from these articles since it can be controversial (especially for people born in Yugoslavia). If they played for a national team, I always indicate that in the lead section. Otherwise, I simply mention where they were born. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Gro Steinsland
I suppose you're right, but I wish it were that easy to find a nice cite about the impact of her books! She appears to own the field in Norway, but documenting that without its seeming mere peacockery. . . gah. Plus the source that led me to the 2 OpEds emphasized her willingness to write them as a sign of her outgoing and populist character. And I thought the Heyerdahl one would make a bang-up DYK hook - it has a stellar cast and a down-to-earth judgement. Pooh. I was wondering whether that would be disrespectful and anyway was 200 words short on the article minimum for a DYK, so I guess I will just keep looking and hope there is (a) enough info and (b) something else adequately piquant. I try not to have DYK hooks of the style, "Did you know that Gro Steinsland is a professor specialising in Norse mythology?" But it's great that we now have an article on her, so I want to make it a decent one. Anyway, I'm writing you partly because I have found an additional source that will require my rewriting the lede again, and you recast it so I don't want it to seem as if I'm just objecting to your change, but it seems the info in the other sources is out of date as regards her university tasks. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, have a look at it now. I've put in what I could find about her books, all from that same overview source, while attempting not to be too puffy. I've recast the article again because the interdisciplinary programme is defunct and it's unclear whether she's technically on leave from the University of Oslo or no longer a professor there - I had wondered when I saw that line on the departmental page, and I think the Norwegian articles are badly out of date on that score (I was going to attempt to update them, but please be my guest and do that if you haven't already - my Norwegian is laughable :-D ). And then I went back and readded one of the 2 Op Eds and started a section on the talk page with my rationale. So if you disagree, let's talk about it there to leave a public trail. The article is now long enough for DYK even without that last paragraph, and I can use her taking heathenry seriously as a religion as an alternative hook if the Op Ed activity winds up being left out. So I plan to nominate it taking credit for 5 x expansion once it's stable. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * At least she is not shown as being among the staff. Found this and this. Geschichte (talk) 22:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll add in both of those after work. I think I'm going to nominate it at DYK with both hooks and let the folks there decide. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Heimdal
I wouldn't call Heimdal a båt. She was a command ship and a royal yacht at first, then a fishery protection vessel. I guess in the last role some Norwegians might refer to her as a militær patruljebåt, but this is incorrect use of the terminology. The correct term to describe her for most of her service (except when she was a royal yacht, command ship and during the war time years as a headquarters and depot ship) would be an offshore patrol vessel (oppsynsskip). She was built as a command vessel (kommandofartøy) and it would be completely wrong to call her a militær patruljebåt. A patruljebåt is a much smaller vessel, built for local guard duties, Heimdal was anything but such a vessel. In conclusion: Skip, not båt. Manxruler (talk) 14:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Swedish ice hockey personnel
Category:Swedish ice hockey personnel, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 22:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 01:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"Battle of Akureyri"
Hi G. You're an admin, so I guess you should know. I've just come across the "Battle of Akureyri". This clearly is a fake. None of the real sources cited actually support any of the claims made in the article, only a blog does. I've gone through various sources just to check, this battle does not exist. What does one do in such circumstances? Can you take care of this situation? Manxruler (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it. Manxruler (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Re
I kinda dealt with the user before, but that was for a different issue. The way I see it, the user was not willingly creating a hoax, but rather using questionable references and hoping nobody would notice. Finalius ( Say what? ) 21:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Carl Fredrik Wisløff.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Carl Fredrik Wisløff.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is fair use, but the image is currently orphaned. Courcelles 03:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nordkinn FK
The article Nordkinn FK has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Is a obscure lower-division Norwegian football club notable? JustEase (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

re:Erik Qvam
Hi G. Erik Hafslo Qvam did serve during the war. He fought with the Norwegian 1st Division in 1940 as Major General Erichsen's chief of staff. There's is loads of info on Qvam here and there, should I add some and we'll go for DYK? Manxruler (talk) 19:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've got a lot of info on Qvam. Don't know when I'll be able to add it, though. Maybe tomorrow. I've got a meeting with a publisher tomorrow, so I'm a bit occupied today. Thursday and Friday I'll be away for a conference.


 * Major General Erichsen's first name(s) were Carl Johan. I don't think we've got an article on him. Someday, maybe. We should do some preparations and research on the general first. Manxruler (talk) 22:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Translation needed
Hi. I've been asked to create articles on K-point and hill size at FLC. Perhaps you could help me by translating the terms in File:Hoppbakke-skjema.svg. If I could just figure out the English terms, I can translate the file and it would make my life a lot easier. Arsenikk (talk)  22:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ovarenn = in-run. Unnarenn = landing slope. Slette = out-run. These I checked in my dictionary. K-punkt is critical point, some call it K-spot. The rest of the terms should be ok? Geschichte (talk) 09:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, those were the ones I was wondering about. Arsenikk (talk)  11:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And how about "verksmester"? Thanks, Eisfbnore  talk 13:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't see that until now. I'd probably write manager. Geschichte (talk) 13:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Sean Cunningham (footballer)
hey, wanna tell me what happened with sean cunningham's page? i put a lot into that page so are there remnants of it anywhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futurespur (talk • contribs) 06:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, articles about footballers who have not played any senior games are not accepted (friendlies not included). The article can be dug up and will be when he has played a game. Geschichte (talk) 08:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * He has now played in the cup. I would still like him to get some league action before we recreate it, though... at least a couple of minutes... (he has been an unused substitute). Geschichte (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian insurance employees union
Hi. Do you know anything about the following union (for example, what was its name): There was a union of insurance employees, not affiliated with LO. They were mainly employees of Livforsikringsselskapet Fram. They had a strike against the company, didn't have sufficient economic funds to sustain the strike, and was dissolved around 1919 or 1920? --Soman (talk) 18:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything yet. Geschichte (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Prosa
Hi, I'm planning to create an article on Prosa (no), but I'm not quite sure which disambiguation I ought to have inside the brackets. Periodical? Gazette? Magazine? Journal? Many thanks in advance, Eisfbnore  talk 13:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have always used journal for strictly academic-scholarly publications, periodical for the serious like Prosa, Samtiden and Syn og Segn, and magazine for "glansede blader". The only inconsistency is Category:Norwegian magazine editors, which includes both magazine and periodical editors. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and in the meantime I've find out that there already is an article about Prosa on the English Wikipedia (quite strange that it is without disambig though) :O). Do you think it could be an idea to a create a category for the chief executives of NSB? With Category:Norges Statsbaner people and Category:Directors of government agencies of Norway in it? Also, it could do with a bit of title standardisation in the bios of directors: Waldemar Hoff is currently a "director-general", Arne Wam a "CEO", Einar Enger a "president", Osmund Ueland a "chief executive" and Edvard Heiberg formerly a "managing director"! Yet, they shared the same position... -- Eisfbnore  talk 14:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think I would make a category, as long as we have the succession boxes. Standardisation is a good idea. The title was specifically changed from director-general (generaldirektør) to chief executive officer by Kjeld Rimberg. "President" is a title I have never used, except for instances where the term is used in Norwegian: Red Cross, sports organizations etc. Geschichte (talk) 15:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian Campaign
Hi G. Thanks for the edit over at Norwegian Campaign. I'm going to put quite a lot of effort into that article in the coming days. I feel it's one of the more important Norway-related articles. Still tons to do. If you'd like to pitch in, that'd be really neat. Manxruler (talk) 23:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks. I feel that one field in particular is underdeveloped: the battles. The navbox now lists the following battles: Drøbak Sound – Midtskogen – Dombås – Namsos – Åndalsnes – Hegra – Vinjesvingen – Narvik – Gratangen. In my making of war bios, I have encountered quite many mentions of battles or skirmishes that we don't mention. Battles near Voss was the last example, if I recall correctly. The Battle of Fossum Bridge is a large one without much mention anywhere in WP. Also I know battles from my local region. There were skirmishes en route to Sollihøgda on 12 April, with casualties. And wasn't there an aerial battle over Fornebu? (The Lysaker Bridge sabotage is also interesting in the context of the N.Campaign.)
 * So what do you think should be threshold for making articles on battles? The regular notability threshold (= coverage) should apply, but apart from that I think we should have articles on every regular skirmish with casualties. Geschichte (talk) 14:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know Fossum very well. That's absolutely a notable battle. In fact, there are tons of battle articles to be written, and I plan on writing many in the coming time. For example, I did create and write almost all of Battle of Dombås some time ago. Also, I plan on refurbishing Midtskogen, Namsos, Åndalsnes (the name of that one is also quite bad, needs to be moved to a better one), Vinjesvingen and Gratangen. I've got a large personal library focussing on the 1940 campaign, the issue is time and the importance of focussing on quality. In my view, its far better to have a nice B-class (or GA, even) article, than to have, say, a start-class article. This needs to be carried out very carefully and deliberately. First, I think we need to fix Norwegian Campaign, and then get on with the various battles. Manxruler (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and yes there was an aerial battle over Fornebu. That's also one the articles I'm planning, just need to figure out exactly how to best go about it. Sollihøgda is also important.
 * With regards to threshold for battles/skirmishes, I'd go for pretty all of them. The sources are there, so that's absolutely no problem. If I didn't have to work both today and tomorrow (setting up an exhibition at the museum which I lead in connection with the national Kulturuke) I would get right on it. I've considered doing as other editors do, and set up a user space to work on article drafts, but I'm not sure about that concept. Seems risky. Manxruler (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Frisk Tigers
Hi Geschichte, we seem to close in on a decision at which name to move the article to. Could you give us your (final) take on the matter? BTW: Could you give me a "recipe" for uploading club logo's to Wikipedia, the easiest correct way (with rationales, etc.)? Take this as an example, if you're willing! =) Thanks, in advance, lil2mas (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Uploading: First you download the image to your hard drive. At "Upload file", select "It is the logo of an organization". Upload the file, and in the form you must fill in, only fill in "|Article=" and "|Source=". Then, from a drop-down menu near the bottom select "Licensing: Logo". That's all. Geschichte (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Anton Wilhelm Brøgger dab
Hello, it seems to me that the archaeologist is much better known than the book printer. I made a search at NB Digital and checked the "Digitalt tilgjengelig" box, and saw that the printer wasn't included in the early 90s ed. of SNL, which seems to include many members of the Brøgger family. Additionally, the NBL entry for the archealogist seems to be almost twice as long as the one for the printer. Could you — since you are an admin — please delete Anton Wilhelm Brøgger disambig page, and move the archeaologist there? Thanks, Eisfbnore  talk 14:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You are probably right, and I did move Conrad Langaard the tennis player some days ago. But since both have NBL articles I tend to want to keep it the way it is... Geschichte (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, All three Daa(e)s have entries in NBL, both of the Aavatsmarks have, all of the three Jonas Lie's have, but I do think it's quite obvious who are the most famous of them... Eisfbnore  talk 11:41, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I deleted the disambig now. Geschichte (talk) 09:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Translation
Any idea of what "hoved-NM i friidrett" is in English? Arsenikk (talk)  17:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Norwegian Championships is good enough in my opinion. The phrase "hoved-NM" mostly designates a common time and place for 19 of the events in which a national champion is crowned. If you look at at this page, you'll see that the championships in half marathon, marathon, standing jumps, relays, combined events, cross-country running, fell running and ultra running (I don't know why race walking is omitted) have an equal status (nominally), but are held at a different time and place. In other words, "hoved-NM" could be called just "NM", but there has to be a lot of different NMs becuse of all the time-consuming events. (The current trend is to add more events, not to cut down on it, cf. ultra running.) Did this make sense? Geschichte (talk) 09:32, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understood. Thanks (and also for the comments at Stampesletta), Arsenikk (talk)  10:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
The articles Michele Benedetti (diver) and Stefan Birkner have been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: No sources. EBE123 talkContribs 18:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Vidkun Quisling
Hey Geschichte. Thanks for you help with the article. Just one thing, I see you used WP:UE to justify removal of Nordic terms from the article text, when said link refers only to article titles. I fear this may get you into trouble in future, though it doesn't trouble me particularly. Regards, - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 17:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Gee. Haven't seen that... It's still a good rule, though. Geschichte (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh, I quite like a liberal sprinkling of foreign terms in articles about foreign (well, to me!) articles myself. And Dahl's translators kept Storting throughout. But I'm not about to get worked up about it. Only a minor preference :) - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 21:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, have you considered reviewing the article for me? :) - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 21:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

S. Skare
The service in Grytten is 14 April, so it should have been "will be" for another day. Not a biggie, just sayin' ... Paaln (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just changed it now while I were at it. In 1 day, and henceforth forever, it will be true :) Geschichte (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Knut Risan for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Knut Risan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. Rusted AutoParts 22:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Stampesletta and the Intertoto Cup
Hi, I've now added the information on Stampesletta to Lillehammer IF; sorry for taking so much time, it simply slipped my mind. On a completely different issue: I just created List of Rosenborg BK seasons, and have a challenge regarding the 2008 UEFA Intertoto Cup. RBK "won" the tournament (as one of eleven teams), but then they didn't really win it after all, since the team who went the furtherest in the UEFA Cup actually won it. Any idea how to formulate this in the table? Is there a different term that could be used instead of "winner"? Thanks, Arsenikk (talk)  11:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Highest placer"? Geschichte (talk) 22:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

C. J. Hambro
Hi! Are you planning to take CJH to GA or something? If so, please let me know, since I have his son's biography of him, as well as the relevant volume II of Høyres Historie in my disposition. Best, Eisfbnore  talk 10:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe on a long-term basis? For now I just thought the current article was deplorable, and wanted to improve on it. But the framework of a GA is definitely there, and it could be fun. I haven't read the son's biography, but am a tad wary about such a family connection. However, if it's cited by academics it should be ok. Over at Halvdan Koht I even used his own book for some more or less obscure facts... OK, let's go for a CJH GA some time during 2011. Geschichte (talk) 10:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Rytterager DYK
Hi, you wanted me to clarify what positions Jørgen Rytterager had in public service over at t:tdyk. Actually, there is only one line about his career in municipal service in the journal article I've cited, which reads: "I en årrekke var han valgmann og forlikskommissær og ble mye brukt i kommunal tjeneste". Any idea of how the meaning of that sentence (especially the words "valgmann" and "forlikskommisær") can be translated into good plain English? I tried Google Translate, but the result made no sense whatsoever. Thank you, -- Eisfbnore talk 21:01, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Valgmann is an elector, I suppose. A bit more thin: Forlikskommisær is an arbitrator of some sort I guess. Geschichte (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, for the clarification and for your helpful edits at Johan Hambro. Would you also mind to take a look at this? Cheers, Eisfbnore  talk 08:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Superfinalen
Is there anything more to say about Superfinalen? I was thinking of GA nominating it, but it seems a bit short. On the other hand, I don't know what else to write about it. Arsenikk (talk)  08:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a short-lived tournament, so it probably falls in the same category as small railway stations :) Geschichte (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

re: :)
Happy Constitution Day to you as well, G. Now that you point it out, that does make me laugh out loud. :) Hope you had a good day. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:NORWAY dispute
Hello Geschichte. I see that you're an admin and that you have knowledge of Norwegian. Please see User talk:Rettetast. I would be glad to hear any advice about what to do. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Revert Q
Hi G. What happened there? And how do I get that Revert edit summary? This might be a silly question after all these years, but I've only ever found the "undo" button. Is it some admin thing? Manxruler (talk) 11:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The button is called Rollback and is an admin thing, I accidentally touched it :) You can get rollback without being an admin. Geschichte (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sounds like a neat feature. Might try and get that. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added you to the rollbacker user group, Manxruler. You should see the button now. If you find it annoying I can always remove it again. Rettetast (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a new button. Thanks! I've got it now. Manxruler (talk) 20:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Competition tables
Regarding the hiding of this table on Marian Burnett's article. I entirely understand your reasons for removing these tables, but I disagree that they simply duplicate material, but rather they provide a quick tabulated breakdown of major international performances. Some people find these tables useful as they allow you to scan the table to pick out info (Olympic appearances/medal performances etc) more quickly than you can in simple prose form. Given the recent growth in the "event result" type of articles, they also allow links to these more specific topics. I think competition links in the prose are more intuitive when they link to the wider championship article, rather than the specific result breakdowns (especially as those articles almost exclusively contain no descriptions beyond a single sentence). If we remove the tables, we would be in effect orphaning a whole section of athletics articles from their related subjects (the athletes). SFB 20:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Politicians don't have career breakdowns. Nobody does. The only acceptable way to summarize content is in an infobox, navigation box and/or medal box. When it comes to the actual state of the articles, athletes are a special case -- we used the tables out of laziness only. We had to make the article creation process bearable, seeing as I/we've been making thousands upon thousands of those bios. If people want simple scans of careers, other than the medal boxes and maybe infoboxes, they should read the IAAF profiles or similar. You are the best prose writer in the field of athletics at the moment, so I say we got a good thing going there and should stick to that. I don't know if it's true that event articles are orphaned. At e.g. my latest fleshing-out both the overall championship article and the specific event articles are linked to when possible. Geschichte (talk) 21:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

re:Vigrid
Hey G. Yeah, that's a ship with an interesting name. I can of course copy-edit it, and most likely expand it enough for it to go to DYK within the five-day window. Might even be able to dig up a PD image too. I'll dig up more sources, wrecksite.eu will have to go, completely untrustworthy if you ask me. Most likely I won't have time before Sunday, as I'm planning some travelling, but that'd be soon enough. Cheers! Manxruler (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Had Vigrid been as well known abroad as in Norway, then that would have been a shoe-in for 1 April. Still, I don't think the organization is all that known in the world outside Norway. We'll see what comes up through the upcoming research.
 * The Sunde-Lie link is intriguing. I've recently read a biography on Max Mauser, a truly fascinating character. Might go for a massive expansion on his article sometime not too far into the future, perhaps even try for a GA.
 * Anyway, gotta hit the road now, be back Sunday. Manxruler (talk) 14:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm barely started. In research mode now. I delinked the submarine link since I don't believe in linking articles more than once in an article. U-95 is already linked in the intro, I think that should suffice. If you think otherwise, then feel free to add a second wikilink to the U-boat. Manxruler (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Stupid me, I forgot that. When it comes to re-linking items found in the lead, it depends on the length IMO. On Johannes S. Andersen: yes (it may take several screens of scrolling to get to the link again). On shorter articles: no. Geschichte (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. The lead link was moved to the main text in a later edit, anyway. The article's starting to look better now, tomorrow I'll add an info box and nominate the article over at DYK. I don't really see much of a chance for a funny hook, though. Manxruler (talk) 23:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just DYK nominated the article. Manxruler (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Indoor venue category
Consider it done! SFB 19:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow! Geschichte (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK
Materialscientist (talk) 00:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 09:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Aina Stenersen
Hello. I think the reasons for deleting the Aina Stenersen page was wrong. The criteria for who she is was very specified in the text and tags. Also, people on her level of politicans has their own wiki site already. --Gilliankruger (talk) 08:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * She is a local politician who has never met in parliamentary session. Geschichte (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Nils Vogt (journalist)
Whilst I certainly appreciate the categories you added in this revision, were the other edits you made really necessary? Why can't I write "(1817–94)" or "Royal Norwegian Order of St. Olav" if I want to? Also, why did you swap the indefinite article "a" for the definite "the" in front of his academic degree? Please have a look at these two copyedits (made by two native English speakers), where in both places "the" were changed for "a". And, last but not least, why did you remove the authormask from the second Ottosen cite??? -- Eisfbnore talk 09:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "(1817–94)" and the authormask are attempts to save space, which we don't need to do. Other, "concise" encyclopedias do it more, but I just don't see the point of not writing 1894 or Rune Ottosen. "Royal Norwegian Order of St. Olav" was for some reason the old name of the article, and I thought I was doing a favor by updating it a little. I take the point about "a degree" vs. "the degree". You are also asking about necessity, I do not know where you are going with that and won't answer it. I know I have asked the same question before, though ("page needed", "lead too short", inline page numbers etc) so there are admittedly some stones and glass houses here. Geschichte (talk) 13:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Dag Kjartan Bjerketvedt for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Dag Kjartan Bjerketvedt is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. J04n(talk page) 21:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

re:War Cross
Not everyone got swords, according to the statutes of the War Cross, swords were awarded if the War Cross was awarded to "personal efforts in action", while people who had been awarded the War Cross for "other special services to the defence of Norway" did not get a sword. Should a person repeatedly qualify for the War Cross, said person would get a star for his award. The link I provided is to a book by Erik Gjems-Onstad, which should provide all needed info. Cheers! Manxruler (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

re:Gunnar Eliassen
Hi G. I'll have a look around. As a notable individual he might be mentioned. Manxruler (talk) 20:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

You OK?
You OK after the terrible events of the day? Manxruler (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to hear that. What an insane situation. I'm perfectly fine, pretty shocked, but fine. Got the news while on the road in Mid-Norway, spent the next four hours listening to the radio news before I reached my initial holiday destination and could switch on the telly. Manxruler (talk) 23:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Arbeideren (Hamar)
Hi, just to let you know that the copy edit you requested for Arbeideren (Hamar) at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Slon02 17:30, Friday September 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Geschichte (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

re:Cats
Hi G. No problem at all. I'd absolutely say so. Græsli died because of his imprisonment in Nazi Germany and he's in Våre falne; he's definitively a civilian Norwegian casualty of WWII. Nice to see you keeping up the good work. Manxruler (talk) 19:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

AFD
Thought Articles for deletion/Roy Eriksen might interest you.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:16, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thorstein Guthe
Excellent work with the expansion of this article - thanks!  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Arbeideren (Hamar) passed GA
SCB &#39;92 (talk) 22:21, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Better source request for File:Fitjar IL.gif
Thanks for uploading File:Fitjar IL.gif. You provided a source, but it is difficult for other users to examine the copyright status of the image because the source is incomplete. Please consider clarifying the exact source so that the copyright status may be checked more easily. It is best to specify the exact Web page where you found the image, rather than only giving the source domain or the URL of the image file itself. Please update the image description with a URL that will be more helpful to other users in determining the copyright status. Eeekster (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a logo. Do you need a link to determine that the copyright status is "non-free logo" which is used under fair use. Geschichte (talk) 21:02, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Ricardo Cruz (footballer)
Hello. I know it's kinda delayed but... on July 2nd 2007 you added Ricardo Cruz (footballer) to WP:Requested articles/Sports. Is this person the same as Julio Ricardo Cruz? Thanks, Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 02:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't remember. But shouldn't Julio Ricardo Cruz be moved to Julio Cruz? Geschichte (talk) 09:25, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That really isn't my concern right know... You can move it... I'm guessing you wouldn't mind if I deleted the Ricardo Cruz entry on WP:Requested articles/Sports? Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 00:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Redirects
When you move a page, please make sure to update any redirects. You broke several when you moved «Jøtul AS». Thank you! Asav | Talk 10:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. The redirect page says: "Check what links here to see whether the move has created any double redirects, and fix the most serious ones. A bot will fix the rest later on". And there were no serious ones, i.e. no incoming links from any article. Geschichte (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

re:Koht
That's a task I think I would enjoy. I might have time this weekend, but I can't be 100% sure of that. I'm in the process of leaving one work place (and geographical area) and moving to another. In a couple of weeks I need to have all my books packed and will be effectively shut down until I can unpack them again. Funnily enough, I'm reading a book at the moment, which mentions Koht's Norwegian Campaign activities to some depth. We shall have to see, I might be free this weekend. Nice work on Koht, btw. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 21:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK
Orlady (talk) 10:08, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Lists of people by university
If you want to have all the 611 Category:Lists of people by university deleted, you cannot simply add prod templates to them, you'll need to propose them for the deletion the proper way. I don't think such a proposal would have a snowball's chance in hell to succeed, though. Bjerrebæk (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not, it seems. Geschichte (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the article ‘Nobility Law (Norway)’
Hi. You have placed the article Nobility Law (Norway) under the category ‘Laws of Northern Ireland’. Are you trying to be funny, or is there something that I have not seen about this law? Aaemn784 (talk) 14:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Din lille skøyer. Aaemn784 (talk) 08:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Martin Bílek
Hello young man. Martin Bílek is dead for more than 11 years ! --Marián 2 (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this is interesting, but where is the source? Geschichte (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ~* Czech. --Marián 2 (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Else Werring
Hi there. I found an article that you created 2 1/2 year ago, Else Werring. It's about a "overhoffmesterinne", which is far from notable from what I can see. There are two references on her family, and one ref about the entire Court of the Norwegian Royal Family, while the last reference is about her getting Commander with Star of the Order of St. Olav. I thought I should PROD the article, but I want to hear what you say first. This person has no entry on snl.no or no.wikipedia.org - so my question is if the St. Olav's Orden decorating is enough to claim her notable enough for an article on english wikipedia. Mentoz86 (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will look into this later, but for now I comment that the Norwegian Wikipedia does not deserve to be held uo to this one as a benchmark. Geschichte (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Done now -- it's safe to assume that all "overhoffmesterinner" are notable. Geschichte (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No, I believe the norwegian version is crap, but my concern is that in norwegian wikipedia "everyone" is notable for an article, and when this person does not have an article on no.wikipedia.org and not on snl.no either - I start to think "is this notable?". But I don't know nothing about "overhoffmesterinner" or the royal court in general, I just think that we shouldn't go the same way as norwegian wikipedia - with too many articles about "everyone". (Isn't this really a person that only readers of Se & Hør knows who is? :P) Mentoz86 (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This sounds like bullocks to me; there are far more unnotable persons on enwiki than on the Norwegian version. This thread seems to need a citation needed-tag. And what is notable about this servant at the court? Paaln (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, this is a non-discussion if I ever saw one, what about the who's who article or the multiple non-trivial mentions or coverages in newspaper articles? (Se og Hør is not cited in the article.) This goes for both Werring, her successor etc. Like it or not, Norway is a monarchy which means that noatbility can be achieved in the royal field, as well as within politics, law, civil service, academics, business, religion, media, NGOs, sports and so on. -- see also the decorations, two Grand Crosses which confirms that there are institutions in the world which regard royal servants as top notch. Geschichte (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my "Se & Hør"-comment. The article is much better after your improvement, and I wouldn't consider nominate such an article for deletion. My main concern wasn't this article, but rather the big amount of Norwegian biography stubs, and the lack of real notability guidelines except WP:GNG (or maybe it's me who haven't read enough on WP's notability guidelines). But after I've done some thinking, it's better to have a stub about a person then not have an article at all - isn't it? Mentoz86 (talk) 09:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Articles relating to women's issues
An IP address has ceaselessly attacked the articles on the Norwegian women's universities and other articles relating to women's issues on the Norwegian Wikipedia, and has been blocked there repeatedly. Now he seems bent on continuing the same disruptive behaviour here. The last IP address he used to edit the article "Kvinneuniversitet (sic) Norden" was banned because he was a banned user called Sju hav, the administrator said. Maybe the article could be protected against IP addresses. He also attempts to move it to his own invented title. Toriland (talk) 05:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Apparently, he's back as 155.55.60.112. Toriland (talk) 09:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

User:155.55.60.112
Hi Geschichte, I noticed you blocked User:155.55.60.112 as a sock. Don't know much about it but there may also be a connection to User:Høvel from some interaction I had with the IP over the Marcel Gleffe article. Calistemon (talk) 13:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It might very well be so. Geschichte (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there, it looks like our friend is back with this account: User:Aksstar and this IP: User:85.196.74.30 Mentoz86 (talk) 19:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

talk page
Egads, you created alot of new articles today. Some minor quibbles. There is no "priority" parameter in WikiProject Biography. It was replaced a few years ago with sports-priority, musician-priority, politician-priority, etc. Also, WikiProject Biography should always be the first project if the person is living. Bgwhite (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Christian Friele
Hey Geschichte. I'm sorry for not having gotten around to expand Hambro yet, but I have, meanwhile, acquired much good source material for the above and have put together what I think is a pretty cool article. Having erstwhile admired your work with Jon Hol (whose article contains quite a lot on the Selmer case), I wonder whether you could head over to the grand old editor and check whether I've paraphrased/summarised Sørensen accurately re. the impeachment? Many thanks and happy new year, -- Eisfbnore talk 21:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Ibba vs Laajab
Not so sure about that one. If you search for "Ibba vålerenga" on Google, you get 37 000 hits. If you search for "Laajab vålerenga", you get 14900 hits. The same goes for searches for -futsal, -Notodden, and -fotballspiller. (footballer) I would therefore say that Ibba is the common name of this football player. Paolo Napolitano  15:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Non-notable judoka


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 * I'm sorry if it looks like I am spamming your talk page - I was using an automated PROD script, and I didn't realise the same person had created all the articles. Well, mere participation in the European championships does not confer notability, and so all these judoka fail WP:ATHLETE. This was tested at Articles for deletion/Despina Panayiotou and the consensus was for deletion. StAnselm (talk) 05:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Rådmann
Do you know if there is an official translation of rådmann? Personally I've been using chief-of-administration, while Ordnett says "chief administrative officer". While both of these certainly are valid, I was just wondering if you had come across anything which indicated that one of them is regarded as official. Regards, <strong style="color:green;">Arsenikk <sup style="color:grey;">(talk)  19:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not official really, I have used a dictionary for most professional titles. There are many more, such as redaksjonssekretær, sorenskriver, byskriver, byfoged, dommerfullmektig, advokatfullmektig, overrettssakfører, byråsjef, ekspedisjonssjef and departementsråd. In the case of rådmann I've used "chief administrative officer". Sometimes you will encounter "teknisk rådmann", "finansrådmann" etc. in which case I've used "chief administrative officer of xxx". Another case is "fylkesrådmann", which I've also translated as "chief administrative officer" (of xxxx County Municipality). -- not to be confused with "fylkesråd", the member of a county cabinet. Geschichte (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Materialscientist (talk) 05:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Post removal
You've removed a thread from this page, with the edit summary "removed post of a banned user". Although one of the users posting is suspected of socking I cannot find a banned user. Would you check this, please? Britmax (talk) 11:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

And puppeteering notwithstanding, there was nothing objectionable to, in or with this particular post. Useddenim (talk) 11:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Meant blocked user, or specifically a block evader. Thus I don't think he's allowed to start any thread on any talk page except for a request for unblock, so him editing is objectionable in itself, the content notwithstanding. Geschichte (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC) Post scriptum: "In the event an indefinitely blocked editor has continued to be disruptive and no administrator is willing to unblock, they are considered de facto banned."

Would you kindly like to explain this edit? From the contributions history, you appeared to remove a request for information without any reason. Removing comments from talkpages is against policy. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Indefinitely blocked sockpuppeteer. Geschichte (talk) 10:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Peder Alsvik
Hey Geschichte, I note that when you created the stub for Peder Alsvik, the death category you gave him conflicted with the date given in the first sentence. A simple copy-paste error? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 16:29, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Halvdan Koht
May I compliment you that the prose in this article is delicious. You really ought to put it for GA soonest. Eisfbnore talk 15:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * One thing though: the article appears to have been written in British English (no commas after years, 'u' in 'labour'); given his connection with the US, methinks Am.Eng. would be more reasonable. Eisfbnore  (下さいて話し) 14:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And I guess the seven seas are back at Special:Contributions/Rugcity. Eisfbnore  (下さいて話し) 21:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See this comment. Seems like the prose could need some work erst it be reviewed for GA. Eisfbnore  (下さいて話し) 11:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm about to be away for just over a week, with very little web access. However, I've made a copy of the text of the article and I'll work on it offline. I hope to have a revision for you to consider by Friday of next week. Tim riley (talk) 14:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sean Cunningham (soccer)
Hi there.

I noticed you undeleted Sean Cunningham (footballer) and redirected it to Sean Cunningham (soccer). I was wondering if you could also undelete the edit history of Sean Cunningham (soccer)? The article is almost identical to the deleted one, but I think we should have the edit history aswell. If it's possible, it would be great if you also could move the edit history of the "footballer" article into the "soccer" article. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * History merge, worth the hassle?

Category:Akerselva
Category:Akerselva, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

How many NKP MPs in 1973?
Hi. Any idea on a reference that answers this question? --Soman (talk) 14:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 0, but one person, Reidar T. Larsen, was elected on the Socialist Electoral League ballot which was supposed to form the basis for a merger between NKP, SF, AIK and some others. A fellow student of mine finished a master's thesis on the subject. Geschichte (talk) 07:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A reference is also found in the article on Emil Løvlien, the last "real" NKP MP. Geschichte (talk) 07:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks! --Soman (talk) 21:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ole Henrik Grønn‎
The article Ole Henrik Grønn‎ has been proposed for deletion. As far as I can remember, the consensus is that you have to be a mayor to be notable for an article here on en:wiki. Event in 2008 fails WP:BLP1E. Mentoz86 (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Response in Talk:Trolljegeren
You have response to your arguments from me. You may reply at Talk:Trollhunter. --George Ho (talk) 14:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Daniela Georgieva for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Daniela Georgieva is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. Ocaasit &#124; c 17:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Just a note that I've reviewed Peter J. K. Petersen, where I've noted a couple of points for your attention. --NSH001 (talk) 06:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Viking Stavanger
Hi there. When I created the article Viking HK a couple of months ago, I changed Viking Stavanger from a redirect to Viking FK to a dab-page, as both teams are sometimes referred to as "Viking Stavanger". Now that you've created the article IL Viking, I realize that there is a connection between those two that I wasn't aware of, so my question is: Should Viking Stavanger be a redirect to IL Viking, or should I expand the dab-page to include the multi-sports club and the ice hockey club? Mentoz86 (talk) 18:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say expand the dab page. Geschichte (talk) 08:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)