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Re: Roads in Oslo
Hi, I was actually trying to fix redlinks on this page. If you disagree, consider unredlinking this page. Hectorthebat (talk) 10:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

foreign relations of Norway
yes I didn't mean to omit Norway-Soviet that is clearly notable. but many of the others you mentioned like African countries could be better covered in Foreign relations of X articles, this has been done for Finland-X articles for example. LibStar (talk) 12:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Ethiopia–Israel relations
Hi. I have responded to your comment at the DYK talk page. --Soman (talk) 10:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:WIC1997.gif
Thank you for uploading File:WIC1997.gif. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Chris G Bot (talk) 00:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

9.58!!!!!
OMG!!!! I never thought I'd see the day anybody could run the 100 that fast or the day when somebody can run 9.71 and still finish in second places over 0.1 behind the winner. Unbelievable!! Under 11 seconds is fast by normal human standards but 9.58 is insane. For a long time the record was 9.85 and 9.84 which I always thought super fast but he has knocked nearly 0.3 seconds off that! I wonder if he can ever break 9.50.... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC) That was exactly a year ago too, how time flies... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, after jogging over the line in Beijing. Geschichte (talk) 21:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Scots by Country
Hi there Geschichte. I have been working hard on the Scots by Country page for a while now. I modeled it after the Judaism by country page which is a place that addresses the Jewish as both a religion and an ethnicity and basically makes a list of pages where the Jewish diaspora can be listed. I set out to create a similar page where articles regarding the Scottish diaspora could be listed. I know the Scots page isn't as full as the Jewish page, does this make the page seem unnecessary. I kind of intended the page to be a place where links to articles could be added as the articles are written, just like the Jewish page has been added to over the years. The tag you added to the Scots page mentions something about altering the page to make it more relevant, I was wondering if you had anything specific in mind. I would appreciate any help that you can offer, I'm only used to doing very simple things on Wikipedia. Andrewsthistle (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters some 80% of the list entries have little or nothing to do with Scots. Afghanistan etc. Geschichte (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. I went ahead and deleted sections for all the countries for which there is no link to "Scots" or the Scottish People. Is there anything else that you believe should be done to improve the page before the "candidate for deletion" tag can be removed? Thanks for the help. Andrewsthistle (talk) 01:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That particular tag can be removed by anyone. Geschichte (talk) 08:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Torvild Aakvaag
The article Torvild Aakvaag has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: '''Article is sourced only to an -- apparently -- deadlink to a foreign website. Also, being "director" of a non-Fortune 500 company doesn't necessarily make one notable.''' Unit  Anode  00:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

re:Qs
Hi G. I don't know if this Per Voksø is the same as the main author of Krigens Dagbok, but I do find that highly likely. I have the book in question, and will look into the matter once I get back from my travels in three weeks time and have access to my collection. Manxruler (talk) 13:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding Opplysningstjenesten, I have heard about it, and I do have a book on it. Will look into it as well as soon as I get back home, in little more than two weeks time. Btw: I'm now almost 100% sure than your Voksø is the author/editor of Krigens Dagbok, seeing as he was a central figure in the Norwegian Reader's Digest during the time the book was published, by Reader's Digest (Norw. Forlaget Det Beste). Final confirmation for this will come once I get back to my book collection. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Having done a bit of searching I have come up with the following with regards to your three question: 1. "Your" Per Voksø is without a doubt the same Per Voksø that edited Krigens Dagbok, as he was central in Det Beste at the time the book was published, by Det Beste. See Church of Norway and World Council of Churches for English sources on and non-free photos of Voksø. I think those would be very useful for the article. 2. Opplysningstjenesten I don't know anything about, I've gone through some of my books and found nothing. 3. Sorry to say, I've never heard of Reidar Selmer. Manxruler (talk) 17:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I do try my best. Neat having an article on Voksø now, seeing as I so often use his book when writing Second World War-related articles. Manxruler (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Helga Karlsen
Thanks for your improvements to my article. I think both Karen Platou and Anna Rogstad deserve articles, don't you? Lampman (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and sources abound. Geschichte (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Flags
Thanks for correcting the flags in the List of accidents and incidents involving the Vickers Viscount. Mjroots (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you too. Geschichte (talk) 20:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Citation style
Hi G. Which citation style for co-authors are you using? I've always been told to use Last, First and First Last (like MLA). You're a Harvard-style writer (Last, First and Last, First)? Manxruler (talk) 22:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it looks more tidy. The last name is supposed to be the eyecatcher. At the university (not here) I also prefer to place citations in the running text:

"The sun is hot, writes Hansen (2009:38)"


 * But the most important thing here is internal consistency within articles. Geschichte (talk) 09:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * True. Consistency is paramount. I learned to use the MLA-like style at university myself, but it's all good. Manxruler (talk) 14:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup flag
Hi, I saw that you had signed up for the WikiCup using a Norwegian county flag. I've changed my flag, so if you would like to use the Norway colors, please do. Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 23:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll keep Oppland, the flag is cooler. Geschichte (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts on Norwegian civilians killed in World War II and resistance members.
I've been thinking lately, should there be a resistance member sub-category to Category:Norwegian civilians killed in World War II? I don't really think of the resistance people as the same as other civilians. Your thoughts on the matter? Manxruler (talk) 14:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have had problems with those categories (People who fell during the Norwegian Campaign as well as in the military abroad (pilots, on ships) are easier to place). What about resistance members that posed as civilians but had soldier ranks, carried weapons etc. But then again, what about people like Henry Gleditsch; they were certainly "resistance members" but not engaged in violence. How about "resistance fighters killed..."? Geschichte (talk) 21:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I think that's a good idea, a category for those who were killed by the Germans and were actively involved in combating the Germans through violent means. Manxruler (talk) 00:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see that there's a Category:Resistance fighters killed by the Third Reich. I guess that could be a starting point, although there's no "Category:Resistance fighters killed by the Third Reich by nationality" in place thus far. Manxruler (talk) 15:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of FC Lokomotiv Dvorichna
The article FC Lokomotiv Dvorichna has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non notable soccer club. Does not appear in template on page, no references to indicate continued existence.

LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK

 * Don't forget to submit this to the contest for 5 points! - Trevor MacInnis contribs 15:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * From the overall table it would seem that I am the leader in the category DYK? Hehe. Geschichte (talk) 08:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Good common name for the Nasjonale regjering (1942-1945)?
Hi G. I just moved the State of Norway (1942-1945) article to "Nasjonale regjering (1942-1945)", as nasjonale regjering was the real official name of Quisling's government. However, according to WP:COMMONNAME we're to use the most common names for articles, and very few people will think of "nasjonale regjering" in this context. Maybe "Quisling government" or "Quisling regime" will be better? If the latter name is used then I guess we'll have to include more of the period of the "kommissariske statsråder" before 1 February 1942. What do you think? Manxruler (talk) 00:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Please see: User_talk:Spiderone
...and comment there whether a redirect is okay. thanks. Ikip (talk) 20:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Elijah Wald
May I presume that your deletion of Elijah Wald was because the article was a sub-stub, not because of any question about his notability? He's a pretty important music historian. I've heard him speak several times at the EMP Pop Conference and always been impressed; I'm currently reading his How the Beatles Destroyed Rock n Roll, and finding it one of the best books on music I've read in years. I'd like to do an article on him; just checking with you first, since you apparently speedy-deleted the previous attempt. - Jmabel | Talk 06:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The only content at the time was "A blues musician and historian". This was three years ago. Feel free to create something nice. Geschichte (talk) 10:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 15:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've written a quick draft: very stubby for the moment, but I presume it's enough to establish notability. I'll get back to it later. - Jmabel | Talk 16:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Did a little more & got it out of stub territory. - Jmabel | Talk 18:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Is "suicide paragraph" a valid English translation?
See my brief musings on suicide paragraph at Template talk:Did you know. --Orlady (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Ready (sports club)
Hey, I've noticed you around Norwegian sports articles, and I must say you are doing a good job. =) The reason I'm contacting you now is regarding the header article. You were the one moving this article the last time, and therefore I'm asking you for input now. Because I have, by a coincidence, found out that the full name of the club is "Idrettsforeningen Ready". (Source: Ready.no) Should this article be moved to IF Ready, do you think? I like to use WP:COMMONNAME as often as I can, but since Ready is a dab-page, we should maybe consider moving it to the standard notation (IF Ready)? lil2mas (talk) 21:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi! yes, I tried to find the prefix, but wasn't able. Now that you found it, it should be moved. To IF, not the full name. Thanks. Geschichte (talk) 08:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

$
Hi. I just noticed that was recreated today as a redirect to US$. I was sure (particularly since I seem to have watchlisted a non-existent template) that this was deleted following a TfD. Do you have some admin tools to check out if this is the case (and possibly speedy delete the item if it meets the criteria of recreation of deleted-by-discussion content). Thanks, Arsenikk (talk)  23:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It formerly redirected to USD, now to US$, but that makes no difference. Deleted. Geschichte (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you've misinterpreted the TfD, and the MoS that led to it: this isn't a recreation of the old template, but just a shortcut to make it easier to use USD. Were it subject to deletion, it would be under RfD, not TfD. Can you undelete this, please? In future, it'd be nice to get a courtesy notice when my contributions are getting deleted as well. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. I undeleted it, but it will be subject to debate. Geschichte (talk) 08:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bergen (municipality)
Hi, please see my comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Norway. --Aqwis (talk) 12:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Anna Bågenholm
Thank you for your help with the article. :) Did you like it?  The left orium  09:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed your comments on the talk page. I'll fix those soon.  The left orium  09:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Move image to commons
I may be barking up the wrong tree, but do you know basic German? There is a photo of on de.wiki that I would like to move to commons but I've no idea if the license is ok. Can you help me out here at all? Thanks Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) Join WikiProject Athletics!  21:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a regular CC-BY-SA-3.0 license, so just copy away. Arsenikk (talk)  22:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, thanks for improving the article considerably. I'll see if I can find a source for the one sentence too. -Gabagool (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Bëlga article
Hi, I noticed that you deleted the article on Bëlga. Obviously, I can't see articles that have already been deleted and nor can I see the reasons behind the deletion, so I was wondering. The group Bëlga is certainly significant enough to merit an article, and it has one in Hungarian. One of the goals of Wikipedia as far as I can tell is the translation and transmission of information to be available to everyone across the world, regardless of language. The deletion of an article deemed — and here I'm assuming — not significant enough for English-speakers seems rather ethnocentric, as well as an unjustly applied principle, considering I have never ever seen anyone find a problem with the translation of obscure US-centric articles to other languages, rather consider it an improvement of Wikipedia. But, again, I can't actually see your justification for the decision, so please do let me know. Thanks. — Emiellaiendiay 23:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This was back in February 2006, and the only content was "Bëlga is a Hungarian hip-hop band." No prejudice towards recreation. Geschichte (talk) 23:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Two requests
Hi. I have to small challenges that perhaps you could help me with: Any help would be appreciated. Arsenikk (talk)  11:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I just wrote an article about Halvor Bache Guldahl, former County Governor of Nord-Trøndelag. I just copied the Norwegian article (which is unreferenced), and I wondered if you have any sources. All references I could find was that he was chair of Fylkesbilene (aka TrønderBilene).
 * 2) I was planning to take List of members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee to FLC shortly. However, I feel that a paragraph is needed about the secretary (i.e. located before the presentation of Geir Lundestad) that says something useful about the secretary and its functioning in general. I haven't found any decent sources, online or offline, but perhaps you have something.

Geschichte (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I found some at http://www.steinkjerleksikonet.no/index.php?artikkel=281. I don't have time to add it right now, but I'll check back.
 * 2) As you know I used the book Nobels vilje by Fredrik Heffermehl for the article Norwegian Nobel Committee. This was some time ago, though, and admittedly that article doesn't contain much about the secretary. However, I think the book at least says that secretaries always double as directors of the Nobel Institute, which should be mentioned.
 * Thanks. Some times I just can't find the obvious. Arsenikk (talk)  23:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that the encyclopedia calls him "Bachke". Geschichte (talk) 11:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Edderkoppen Theatre
Know of it? Himalayan   15:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes... Geschichte (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Moving football club articles
Hi again, sorry for not answering you sooner... But here it is: As you might have noticed, I'm not only editing football articles, but also cycling, ice hockey, handball+++ And as of late, I must say I'm starting to be a bit confused. Different projects follow different "guidelines", some of them actually being in conflict with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

I suspect you're referring to the moves of Norwegian women's football teams; Amazon Grimstad, Arna-Bjørnar, Fortuna Ålesund, Team Strømmen and Trondheims-Ørn. I used WP:COMMONNAME as reason for moving these articles. I believe that clubs with "nicknames", don't need their different "sports club"-abbreviations, as they never or rarely use them.

I can see the point you're making on consistency, where you link to Category:English football clubs as an example. It looks neat, I must say, and I can understand why User:Alaney2k wants to change all European hockey clubs, to xxx HC (see discussions: Spellings and Disambiguation). I suppose you side with me on that discussion, since you're already reacting to my use of WP:COMMONNAME.

The problem with consistency in Category:Norwegian football clubs, is that there are none. English football clubs, almost with no exceptions use F.C. or A.F.C.. But Norwegian football clubs uses so many different abbreviations (BK, FC, FF, FK, IF, IK, IL, SK, SPK, TIF, UIL), both before the club name and after, some uses Fotball or Toppfotball, some a combination of the sport and an abbreviation, and some uses none of the previous (i.e. Hamarkameratene and ODD Grenland).

So using WP:COMMONNAME, where available, would give us a better consistency, than including an abbreviation which almost never is being used. (As in FK Mandalskameratene, I didn't know they had an abbreviation, until I started editing in Wikipedia.) By using WP:COMMONNAME, we avoid the hiding of abbreviation in articles, and also the many redirects provided by the current naming convention.

Here's a list on some of the clubs I would apply WP:COMMONNAME to: If you'd rather side with Alaney2k, and give them all FC-suffixes, I would be rather disappointed, but it is the only way to create full consistency on this issue. I believe that applying WP:COMMONNAME would be the second most effective way to achieve any consistency at all. It will only be used were there are little chance of misinterpretation (like not using Rosenborg, since this also can refer to the part of Trondheim were the club is originally from). Hope this answers your question. lil2mas (talk) 01:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * FK Athene Moss --> Athene Moss
 * FK Bodø/Glimt --> Bodø/Glimt
 * Drøbak/Frogn IL --> Drøbak/Frogn
 * SK Gjøvik-Lyn --> Gjøvik-Lyn
 * Kvik Halden FK --> Kvik Halden
 * Larvik Turn & IF --> Larvik Turn
 * FK Mandalskameratene --> Mandalskameratene
 * Nybergsund IL-Trysil --> Nybergsund-Trysil
 * SK Vard Haugesund --> Vard Haugesund
 * Just for the record I have never proposed calling them all FC. Geschichte (talk) 13:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:$
As you had participated in the original RfD for Template:$, you may be interested to know that the deletion has been overturned at deletion review because of a procedural problem, with the redirect being re-listed here.--Tikiwont (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

First Minister of Norway
List of heads of government of Norway

Just wondering if you could help to have more clarification between First Minister and Prime Minister of Norway during the 1814-1873 period ? (Ice Explorer (talk) 22:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC))

Melby, Norway
I have removed the speedy tag that another editor added to Melby, Norway. The consensus at Articles for Deletion is that settlements are inherently notable. In this case, I was able to confirm that Google Maps lists Melby as a valid place name, so I added the village's coordinates to the article. Would you be interested in creating an article in Norwegian about Melby at no:Melby or nn:Melby, or perhaps expanding the English article? -- Eastmain (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see it exists, so I added something. 99,5% of the articles I work on are in English; it's much more rewarding when people from around the world can see&mdash;and contribute, improve&mdash;one's work. Geschichte (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way there are places with the same name in Denmark and Shetland, as far as I can see. Geschichte (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the improvements to the article. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Qs
Hi G. Not back just yet, but I thought I'd answer your question no. 4 while I had a small window of time available.

After doing some light research, I'm certain that source refers to HNoMS Sleipner (1877). I've often seen this ship, mistakenly, labelled as a cruiser by various non-naval writers. Furthermore, although the German Empire did have an Odin class of ships, this did not include a Sleipner, nor did any other German ship class. Finally, the Royal Norwegian Navy did accompany the Kaiser during his Norwegian vacations, at least on some occasions. For example, see this photo of Wilhelm II boarding Sleipner. Keep up the brilliant work, I'm looking forward to cooperating with you on many new articles in 2010. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It was also the first ship built by the shipping magnet Christen Christensen. Excerpt from the article I'm working on : This continued till he was ready to take over as manager of Rødsverven in 1868 from his widowed mother Otilie, who ran the company for a number of years after her husbands early death in 1862. During this time he still worked together with his mother even tho he was in charge. The first fruits of their labor being the schooner Sleipner, which his mother financed. (Ice Explorer (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC))


 * Hærens Flyveskole I suppose could be translated to the Norwegian Army's Flying School, since it's pointing back to the Army, not to the Norwegian Army Air Service. Flyvåpnenes Felleskommando of course refers to the joint command of the two air services during the war, before their 1944 union into the ROyal Norwegian Air Force. A name for that? The Air Forces' Joint Command? I'll need to look into that more closely, they should have an official English name, having been based in the UK and all. And, yeah, you're right. Military articles are hard to write, that's why I'm getting a Norwegian-English military dictionary for Christmas. Manxruler (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hans Gabrielsen
Hi G. I just did some further expanding and rewriting on the article on Hans Gabrielsen you started expanding. Turns out Norsk Biografisk Leksikon isn't right all the time. Ruge had little to do with the administration of Northern Norway, at least until he came up there in May 1940, and he did not cooperate with Gabrielsen, that was Fleischer. I'm going to head over to DYK and nominate the article, claiming co-credit for myself and you. Manxruler (talk) 11:42, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Stub vs C-Class
Hi Geschichte - I've replied to your comments at Wikipedia talk:Stub, but in short, an article can be both a stub and C-Class, since they are judged in different ways (stubs and Stub-Class articles are not identical). The listed articles appear to be C-Class by WP:Aviation's guidelines, but also stubs by WP:STUB. Grutness...wha?  22:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'm the fool for bringing this up. Didn't know about the difference between stub and Stub-Class. Geschichte (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all - it's a problem we meet all the time at WP:WSS because of the similarity of names. I wish that they'd used a different term when the assessment scheme was set up - it would have made things a lot clearer. Grutness...wha?  23:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up on my talk page. Although you used my contributions as an example, I am not the only one in the WP Aviation contest to submit that type of article and receive points for a C-class assessment. In light of Geschichte's explanation above, I'd appreciate it if you would consider undoing your changes to the talk pages of eight of articles I created/updated, where you changed "class=start" to "class=stub". -- Zyxw (talk) 07:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

KIL Toppfotball
It was always my intention to use piped links.. ;o) But I left out the IL-suffix, since this is intuitive when reading about clubs on sports articles! =) The reason I didn't update the links directly after the move, was because I wanted to sort out the athletics bit to Kongsvinger IL first. This was done by User:Ters the day after, the only problem was that he moved it to Kongsvinger Idrettslag, which meant I couldn't move it to its correct namespace without an administrator's action. So I decided to wait until the weekend, when I had more time. Thankfully you did it this morning, and I have now corrected all wikilinks! (...I think...) =) lil2mas (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

recent edit
In this edit you claim that "Agrarian Party" is the official name instead of "Farmers' Party" of the old "Bondepartiet". But as you can see in the Centre Party-article I have found that the most reliable sources actually use "Farmers' Party" (explained in a note in the article). Could you please provide sources that say "Agrarian Party" is the official name of "Bondepartiet" (or if you can't revert your edit)?
 * I have used pages like these. But now I also see that the terms are used interchangeably:, , , , , ad nauseam. Geschichte (talk) 22:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Dagfinn Dekke"
A page you created, Dagfinn Dekke, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how they are important or significant, and thus why they should be included in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Amol Bhave 15:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammubhave (talk • contribs)

"Cathedral School"
Hi, I have been unable to find any reliable sources that use the names "Trondheim Cathedral School", "Bergen Cathedral School", and so on. If none can be found, the renames should be reverted per Naming conventions (use English): ''It can happen that an otherwise notable topic has not yet received much attention in the English-speaking world, so that there are too few English sources to constitute an established usage. Very low google counts can but need not be indicative of this. If this happens, follow the conventions of the language in which the entity is most often talked about (German for German politicians, Turkish for Turkish rivers, Portuguese for Brazilian towns etc.).'' --Aqwis (talk) 16:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * From a quick search from Oslo, Trondheim and Bergen, it looks like the term Foo Cathedral School is in common use. Arsenikk (talk)  17:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * True, on the first page of Google hits I can find the Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters, the Abel Prize and King Harald's personal website (!). The rest of the schools follow automatically because of consistency issues (consistency is the first rule of the Manual of Style, "internal" in this context is interpreted as consistency within the group of cathedral schools). Smaller cathedral schools can't be expected to have that much written about them. Geschichte (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. I'm not very fond of this interpretation. The schools don't get talked about that much outside of the Norwegian language. Was this discussed on any of the schools' talk pages prior to implementation? --Alvestrand (talk) 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by the second sentence? Geschichte (talk) 08:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Despite WP:BB, I think the normal way of going about a rename like this is to put a note on the talk page of the page you intend to move, saying you plan to move it, and why. Then you wait a little, and if nobody objects, you do it. I wanted to know whether you did that - I looked at Bergen and Trondheim and didn't see it, but you might have discussed the issue on some other cathedral school's talk page, or on some project page. --Alvestrand (talk) 19:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, partly because - regrettably - I'm not used to getting any response whatsoever on my postings, apart from 1-2 active users. Besides, I believed (and still believe) it follows a guideline which is sakte men sikkert being implemented, and third, all the pages contained this English-style name already. Geschichte (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Kaare Strøm (disambiguation)
Hello. Just to let you know that this dab has been nominated for deletion using Template:db-disambig. If you have any questions about this, please let me know. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi! It's ok. It is not at all true that there is a "clear primary focus" involved here, but the article on the other Kaare Strøm have not been created yet. Fair enough. It will come one day though. Thank you for telling me. Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Bærum
I presume you know more about the local geography of Bærum than me, so I have two quick questions, Thanks, Arsenikk (talk)  13:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Are the places Nadderud (not the stadium but the area), Presterud and Fleskum worthy of an article, or should they be delinked?
 * 2) Are there any other particular institutions along the Kolsås Line or Lilleaker Line. For the latter there is the Radium Hospital, Oslo International School and Nadderud stadion, but are there any other, or is this part of Bærum just housing. Elementary schools and the like aren't important, but I would think upper secondary schools would be, or other schools and institutions with a lot commuting.
 * 1) Nadderud is notable, and I could see Presterud and Fleskum getting articles in the future. Especially Fleskum, which is nationally famous as a painter's community. Geschichte (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) There are some institutions, not counting elementary schools. By the way you must have meant "the former", though, not "the latter". Let me take Bærum first. For Jar there's the sports and recreation field Jarmyra. Tjernsrud doesn't exist anymore, but used to serve Norsk Film. Ringstabekk serves Stabekkbanen, the prominent bandy field. Egne hjem doesn't exist anymore either, but used to serve Norges Toppidrettsgymnas and the defunct state college at Ringstabekk. Bekkestua has many notable locations, including the international school and Nadderud stadion. Gjønnes has Nadderud Upper Secondary, as well as sports facilities. Haslum has Haslum Church, which I guess is notable. It also serves the recreation areas around Øverlandselva. Avløs has the train depot, Valler and Gjettum I'm not too sure about, except that the very popular hill Kolsåstoppen is nearby. Hauger Station has two upper secondary schools, Rosenvilde and Rud, a third upper s. school Dønski is not far away either. Also, the home field of Hauger FK is here, as well as Bærum Ishall. The Confederation of Sports used to have their headquarters here too. Kolsås Station I don't know. I'm sure there are more. Now for the Lilleaker Line: Øraker has the sports facilities of Ullern IF, Lilleaker has CC Vest as well as the recreation area around Lysakerelva, and Lysaker itself. The stations between Sollerud and Hoff are pretty anonymous I guess, except that Ullern Church is somewhere along the way and is pretty well-known. Ullern Station is quite close to the former Bestun Station by the way, but I wouldn't say that it does serve lower Bestum and the small marina, Løvenskiold-Vækerø and the like. The radium hospital is closer to the Kolsås Line, I believe. Geschichte (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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