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Name
Related to the site "Monika Göllner", her name should be corrected: She is called "Monika GOLLNER". MiNeum71 (talk) 12:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Question

 * In theory it should be chucked, but it's a question of whether one wants to spend time on that. I removed some of the most serious ones. Geschichte (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

re:The Minor Barnstar
Thanks, G. It's appreciated. I do most of the time work somewhat incrementally. Getting a correct move done, or ensuring that the right flag is portrayed in a list, is quite satisfying as well. As for more major work, I've got only one new article planned for the immediate future, as my personal library is presently almost all packed up in boxes (yep, moving again, although only to a different apartment). As per usual, I do appreciate and enjoy to read your steady contribution of Norway-related articles. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 10:24, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ivar Skarland
Hello Geschichte. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ivar Skarland, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: the obituaries cited are certainly enough to pass the low bar of A7, and in my view enough for notability. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

re:Kvarstad
Hi G. Funnily enough I actually read the Swedish wiki article on the Kvarstad ships yesterday. Yep, that's an article we need. As I'm presently unpacking my library (having just received the keys for my new apartment), I can't get to it right away. I would think that once we get an article going on the subject, it's probably worth going for a GA, there's certainly enough source material to work with. Manxruler (talk) 10:46, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. I do fully agree that the Swedish language article is good, but I hope that the translation will be well referenced, something translations sadly very rarely seem to be. Manxruler (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Future plans for Koht and Hambro
Hi, and belated congrats on the promotion of the above. I do think though, that it would be great to nudge him even further (wouldn't it be great to have Quisling, Koht and Hambro together as a WWII trio in the milky way?). Skard's bio could be used to some extent, yet it should not be over-used, as it—needless to say—is rather sympathetic towards Halvdan (even the title could tell that; I've also been told that Skard doesn't tell us anything about Koht's extramarital relationships). The use of Koht's own book—Historikar i lære—ought IMHO also to be reduced, lest the FAC scrutineers accuse us of partiality. Bomann-Larsen's royal bio series could, methinks, provide a more balanced account of Koht's rôle in Norwegian politics. I've leafed through the fifth volume, which I fortuitously have in my possession, and it does indeed maintain the standard view that Koht was a great historian yet a mediocre politician. Wrt Hambro, his son's bio is of course also somewhat sympathetically inclined, yet it does, as you may have gathered from the author's article, mention the elder Hambro's adulterous (pardon my language) affairs. Jumping back to Koht, I think a PR would be good, though we still have some expansion to do. When reading the NBL1 article about his father, whose article I hope I have done at least some favour (proofreads are as always welcome), I skimmed through the younger Koht's article as well, and it is indeed more detailed than the piece in NBL2. Grateful for any elucidation. Eisfbnore (下さいて話し) 17:36, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Both Koht and Hambro have been, for some reason, not biographed good enough; both by family members. There are many historians who could and should take up this task. That said, I am always in favor of expanding those articles, and indeed, Historikar i lære should ideally not be be used, but I wouldn't want the info cited from that book jettisoned either. Maybe the references could be replaced somehow with second-party sources. I am also aware of other sources to Koht, such as Halvard Leira's work on his peace ideology. For a PR, though, wouldn't the reviewers have to have some actual knowledge about the subjects? Geschichte (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Censuses as sources
Hi G. Lately I've been planning a biography article. One source of info on this person I've come across is Digitalarkivet, with the various Norwegian population censuses. Do you think we can use the censuses as sources on Wikipedia? Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess it's a primary source, but I've used censi (?) for information such as full names or kinship. It can also be used to establish residence of someone, but probably most so for adults with stable lives. Although a bio should say "in the 1900 census he was registered as having/living..." not "arond 1900 he lived in...". Census cannot be used to establish how many children or siblings a person had, and cannot be trusted 100% on ortography. You can find work information and religious information as well; I would use that with more than one pinch of salt. Geschichte (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds sensible. Luckily I've got most of the information on this individual from published sources, I'll probably just add some minor details from the censuses. :) Manxruler (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Robert Mitchell (highjumper) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. Sionk (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Nomination withdrawn, I didn't read the inclusion criteria in enough depth, apologies! Sionk (talk) 07:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Association of Norwegian Theatres and Orchestras, which you created, has been nominated for deletion. __meco (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hestnutan Accident is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. YSSYguy (talk) 09:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kenneth Andam is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Kenneth Andam until a consensus is reached. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 20:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Aftenposten archives
Hey G. Do you by any chance still have access to the archives of Aftenposten? If you do, I could use some search help with regards to my latest bio project. Manxruler (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is another subscriber that can help in a pinch Paaln (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Paal. Just saw the reply. I would really appreciate your assistance in this matter. The person I'm looking for Aftenposten info on is Colonel Kristian Rikardsen (sometimes spelled Richardsen) Løken. I've written an article on him off-wiki, and I've found tons of info on him for the period up to 1948, but I don't know when and how he died. From snippets I've seen that he was still alive in 1959, but I have no details post-1948. Could you help me out? How do we go about this? I would really like to see the newspaper articles. From the newspaper notices I have already found on him, his name is given as "Kristian Løken", "Kristian Rikardsen Løken", "Kristian Richardsen Løken", "Kristian R. Løken", "K.R. Løken" or just "K. Løken". Manxruler (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you checked out this book? I dont know how much there is to be done with the Aftenposten archives. I reckon youve seen all the snippets that exist?
 * I've seen a lot of the snippets, although probably not all of them. I agree that Aftenposten is seems to be pretty much exhausted as a source for this article. That book, however, seems to fit the bill very well. I've been looking at a few books on the Congo, and some on Norwegian expatriates in Africa, but I haven't seen that. That looks a lot like a book I would like to own, but first I believe a trip to the library is warranted. Thanks for the tip. Manxruler (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
That was a great expansion of Turid Birkeland, thank you :-D Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Use of municipality names, rather than county names, in placename disambiguation
You said that county names, not municipality names, should be used in disambiguating placenames in Norway. I am afraid that this is not good enough. Sometimes one county contains two places with the same name. For example, the county of Troms contains two places with the name Skipsfjorden - Skipsfjorden in Karlsøy municipality and Skipsfjorden in Torsken municipality. MartinCollin (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Different rules for lakes/rivers and towns. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Rebekka Karijord
I removed the BLPPROD from Karjord as there was a reference present when you applied the tag. Bgwhite (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The link was too general to be counted as a reference, IMO. Geschichte (talk) 21:09, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, per WP:BLPPROD, if any link is present, then you cannot add BLPPROD. I don't agree with it, but it is the "law".  There was a recent flare-up on the BLPPROD talk page, but as usual, there are enough people to oppose any changes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion


The article Tor Erik Moen has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: '''Has never played a match in Tippeligaen, which means that the article fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails WP:GNG.''' Mentoz86 (talk) 19:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Christoph Müller is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Christoph Müller until a consensus is reached. Bjelleklang -  talk 10:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Gunnar Bovim requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Skrelk (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't template the regulars, also you're wrong. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Asbjørn Bjørnset requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Rosscoolguy (talk) 01:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The article Karl Akre has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: '''A search for reliable, secondary sources reveals an insufficient amount of significant coverage. This article fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for politicians.''' Neelix (talk) 02:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Geoffray Toyes is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:21, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Please be more careful with tagging articles created by me for deletion. Geschichte (talk) 09:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Capture of Egersund
Hi G. Remember quite some time ago, we talked about how it would be nice to have more articles on the various battles of the Norwegian Campaign?

Well, it took a while, but I've just launched Capture of Egersund. The Germans' taking of that port was without bloodshed, but still interesting, I think. I'm going on Christmas holiday in a couple of weeks, and real life work is quite demanding, so it might a while before I get the next battle/capture article off the slipway. Manxruler (talk) 04:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, I wrote a summary article on Carsten Dehli in my local newspaper this spring. Asked for it to be printed on 9 April, and they said yes but then "preponed" it to 2 April or something... Geschichte (talk) 14:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I too have learned not expect much of the promised dates. The last one of mine was postponed quite a bit, although to a better date than the original. As to Military exercise grounds in Norway, that's a fine idea for a category, but I can't seem to find a mother category. Are we sure that's the best name for the category? Btw, we also have an article on Elvegårdsmoen. Manxruler (talk) 14:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the correct name would be "Category:Military training facilities of Norway", based on Category:Military training facilities. Or are these installations considered barracks? Manxruler (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thinking it through more thoroughly, "Category:Norwegian Armed Forces training facilities", then "Category:Royal Norwegian Navy training facilities", "Category:Norwegian Army training facilities" and "Category:Royal Norwegian Air Force training facilities" should do the trick. Manxruler (talk) 22:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Hanne Ruud Reksten
The article Hanne Ruud Reksten has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

New logo for Odd Grenland
Hi there. Odd Grenland has changed its name to Odds BK, and thus removed "Grenland" from the logo. I've moved the article, but I don't know what to do with the new logo. I've seen you've done quite a lot of those, so I wondered if you could do me the favour of uploading the logo that is here? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 22:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Will upload the new logo when it's available without a background. Geschichte (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Does it look like a duck?
What do you think about ? ... But it is one of two - either an old friend, or a new valuable contributor. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am monitoring it. No activity lately. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Was banned. Geschichte (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Conscripted soldiers of Norway's Army?
Hi G. I find the category Category:Conscripted soldiers of Norway's Army quite useless. It was created by one of Sju hav's socks, it's oddly named, there are no similarly named categories and it doesn't really cover anything that isn't already covered by other categories. Could/should it simply be deleted? Manxruler (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Goody. Manxruler (talk) 20:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Another one off the slipway.
Hi G. Have a look at the just-launched Capture of Arendal. I'm thinking working my way through the various parts of the 9 April invasion, before getting into the battles that followed. It has been good fun so far. Manxruler (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

2013 women's drive
Hi Geschichte. Just dropping by to say that I like your efforts at improving these articles. Do you think there's a possibility we could get some sort of Main page attention (OTD or DYK) for the subject on 11 June? Manxruler (talk) 13:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe! I take it that's the suffrage centennial day? If they are nominated by someone else than me, we don't have to review other articles I think. Perhaps one about the Housewives' Association, and one about the missionaries?
 * Another issue: I'm going to start diffusing the category Category:Norwegian educators. It should be principals, schoolteachers and educationalists. Principals and schoolteachers include folk high schools, while educationalists is for the university/university college level (academics). Schoolteachers are redundant to principals (most principals have started as teachers), while none of them are redundant to educationalists. Agree? Geschichte (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep. According to Store norske, 11 June 1913 is when parliament unanimously approved equal suffrage, regardless of gender. (Stemmeberettigede ere de norske Borgere, Mænd og Kvinder, der have fyldt 25 Aar, og som have været bosatte i Landet i 5 Aar og opholde sig der.). I think that last bit is interesting, doesn't look like we had citizenship back then, nowadays you can barely vote in municipal elections after five years in the country. There's still some time to think about which article would be best for the day, I think DYK allowes for special occasion hooks to be nominated six weeks in advance or something like that. If we're to collaborate on an article (or maybe several, for a multi-article hook), then I can easily deal with the required reviews.
 * With regards to the Norwegian educators category, that looks about right, yes. Looks good to me. Manxruler (talk) 13:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just started a WikiProject Norway/Suffrage memorial 1913–2013. Articles can be added here, but no stubs :) Geschichte (talk) 13:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. I'll go looking around a bit for a really nice article to write up in time for 11 June, I think it should be something really significant, both to commemorate the occasion and draw attention. Maybe more than one hook, as in several hooks on the day. Will start the research process. Manxruler (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Casliber 16:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Casliber 16:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Tatyana Shikolenko for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tatyana Shikolenko is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 14:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I became worried as soon as I saw that an Admin has made a page going to AfD as i'm not exactly the best of 'AfD'ers, I've had 3 AfD's go through and I believe 2 of them settled on 'Merge' while the other was a 'Keep'. Could you please have a look at my current two AfD's out in the mould and give me any pointers to being better at AfD's please? Oh and I looked up and spotted your 'don't template the regulars' message and um I hate to be rude and apologise if I come across as it but how else are we supposed to inform users of such events? MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 14:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, we all learn the "rules" by and by. Regarding the templates: they are designed mainly to be a polite and pointer for fresh users, say a person who got his first created article nominated for deletion -- he's bound to wonder why, why? On the other hand, people who've been here for ten odd years don't like them, from that standpoint the templates are viewed as bureaucratic, sterile and non-personal means of communication which they've received time and time again. I've gotten used to AFD templates specifically, but the nominations very rarely succeed (see my main user page) -- because as a veteran user I tend to know if an article is welcome before creating it. Geschichte (talk) 10:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

so typed out messages are better then the templates for the experienced? I think I get what you're saying, thank you for letting me know. Thing is I always use Twinkle for AfD tagging because of how much there is to do, it's more than possible for me to make custom messages for other article alerts mind you. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 11:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

re:Participants in World War I#Neutral states
No. It's terribly inaccurate. Norway gave no "naval assistance" to the UK. Rather Norway traded with both sides, although she did have a very important shipping agreement with the UK (maybe that's what "naval assistance" is supposed to mean?) The closest Norway came to giving military assistance to either side was when in autumn 1918, Norwegian naval ships added a Norwegian naval mine field to the one the Allies had laid in international waters in the North Sea. For the most part, "armed neutrality" was the policy back then, although the Norwegian authorities were decidedly pro-British at the core. What I'll do, is to have look for some good sources after work today, and replace that sentence. Funny that such a seemingly important article is completely without sources... Manxruler (talk) 08:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I've now found a very good source for Norway's role, policies and activities during the First World War. However, to sum it up in a few sentences will require quite a lot of reading on my part. I'm afraid I won't have time until 2 April, when I return from my Easter holiday. God påske! Manxruler (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Executions by the Quisling regime
Hi Geschichte. I've working a bit on the various execution categories lately, and I've stubled upon an issue that I think needs addressing. What are we to do about the executions carried out by the Quisling regime? A good example of this is Gunnar Eilifsen, who was executed by the Norwegian Nazis (although they did act under duress from the Germans). As the Quisling regime was never a legitimate Norwegian government, and never truly independent from the Germans, is it really right to use the "People executed by Norway by firing squad" category? Should we have a subcat called "People executed by the Quisling regime" or something to that effect? Manxruler (talk) 01:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletions


The article Bente Angell-Hansen has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:Non-notable per WP:DIPLOMAT.  Klein zach  05:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I updated the article and removed the prod template, as she is now the Secretary-General of the Norwegian Foreign Ministry, which I believe is a notable position. Iselilja (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

The article Jostein Helge Bernhardsen has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:Non-notable per WP:DIPLOMAT.  Klein zach  10:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jostein Helge Bernhardsen is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article Olav Berstad has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: Non-notable per WP:DIPLOMAT  Klein  zach  10:46, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Olav Berstad is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

Just read the news
Interesting, wouldn't you say? Manxruler (talk) 19:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. After reading it though, I imagined him as a prolific editor over an extensive time period. However the account only has four edits. Geschichte (talk) 21:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The media is making a bit much of the story. Only two article edits, both to the same article on a single day. Not much of a campaign. Manxruler (talk) 23:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Imran Hosein
I notice that you deleted the above article as a copyvio. The URL listed, http://www.imranhosein.org/content/view/40/41, is dead; could you restore the content to User:Launchballer/Imran Hosein so I've got something to start from?-- Laun  chba  ller  20:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know if working on a copyvio is a good idea. If there are no other sources, then the article should probably not exist either. Geschichte (talk) 09:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)