User talk:Geschichte/October 2008-February 2009

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DYK
I've been rather impressed of late the amount of Norwegian biographies and companies you've started. Keep up the great work!! Count Blofeld  11:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Ballaugh
Thanks for your message. That's an interesting one! There is clearly then no real consensus for the exact translation. Not really sure what to do though? Would it be best to take out the translation and just leave the Manx wording maybe for now? What I will do though is send some emails to try and find out what it should be. cheers, -- ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 15:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Odd Isaachsen Willoch
Absolutely within my field of interest. I'll dig through my library for more on Willoch, and then let's co-DYK nom him. Manxruler (talk) 04:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's good enough for DYK, although in a few hours I'll have gone through some more sources for some more details. As with Rushen I'll still add a few more things before trying for GA. Manxruler (talk) 13:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Thune
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. Politizer 03:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I verified your hook. Just in case you don't notice there, I also left a comment asking if you could provide some translations (in the footnotes) of the relevant parts of the Norwegian sources, before the article gets to the main page.  Thanks! Politizer 13:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Better articles
Fair enough, the only reason I don't use those templates is because I'm a really lazy person. but don't forget - you have to wikilink dates (unless Mediawiki has improved this aspect in the past year or so), because otherwise they don't format correctly. In short, you can set in "preferences" how you want your dates (eg. M D Y or D M Y) and that only applies if you wikilink the dates. but again I could be wrong about this too, my knowledge of Wikipedia's technical subtleties stops at around 2007 or so... ugen64 (talk) 16:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See MOS:UNLINKDATES -- Punkmorten (talk)

re:Rønneberg
Hi Morten. I do have info on Rønneberg, I believe, somewhere. If I have the time then I'll look and see if I can find them tomorrow. This could make a very nice expand-nom. Manxruler (talk) 21:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you think? Is Rønneberg expanded five times now? Manxruler (talk) 08:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and nominate it. I don't really have the time today. Just checked in to see if you'd replied. Thanks, by the way. :) Manxruler (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just co-nominated Rønneberg. Manxruler (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Bharatveer
Hi, this user is making AfD without following procedural norm. I am helpless about how to fix Articles for deletion/Hindu Taliban. Could you please provide technical assistance.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 09:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Expatriate footballers categories
Hi, have you noticed that User:Raymond Cruise keeps removing category entries, I've reverted a few which I had in my watchlist, but there is still a lot of edits he have made =( Do you know why he has done this??? He doesn't answer his talk page... lil2mas (talk) 14:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Playerhistory
Hi, just tried logging in and it says my account has been disabled. Looks like I'm superfluous to requirements... Mattythewhite (talk) 12:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

re:My field of interest
Sure. :) I'll have a look around, just as soon as I got back, heading out to go Christmas shopping now. Manxruler (talk) 13:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you think that Arne Sunde, the politician, is the same as Arne Sunde, the officer? THat would be fascinating. Manxruler (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes he is. I'm on this one. Manxruler (talk) 16:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't by any chance have access to some personal/family info on Sunde, do you? Manxruler (talk) 02:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Will fix info for first nom now. Manxruler (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wondered what was unclear. :) All good then. Although I must admit, that I've misread the Korean War bit somewhat. I'll go back to the noms and correct the nom. Stay tuned. Manxruler (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ALT2 provided. Manxruler (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol. I wondered whop that was. What do you have? It's the weekend, I have some free time. By the way, I haven't found anything on Astrid Løken yet, but I have one more place to look. Strangely enough, she wasn't in my book on women in the Norwegian resistance movement. Manxruler (talk) 22:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I did very recently find a short mentioning of Løken Tore Pryser's 2007 book Kvinner i hemmelige tjenester: Etterretning i Norden under den annen verdenskrig. I'll add some from that soon. Manxruler (talk) 18:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, these are articles that should be written, and I'm quite familiar with ship articles. As to Irma I've even spoken to a close friend of the Norwegian naval officer that fired the torpedoes, not that it matters here on Wikipedia. I've got the necessary books, I can get on it tomorrow with regards to Irma and also the cargo ship Henry, the ship that was sunk in the same incident. Manxruler (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice that the articles already have images ready. Manxruler (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Seeing as Irma will require at least a double nom, preferably a quadruple nom, I'll do Sanct Svithun first. Irma is also the most controversial and will require the most research. I'm on the case, though. Manxruler (talk) 12:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

✅ SS Sanct Svithun written and nommed. Manxruler (talk) 05:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

✅ SS Irma and SS Henry written and nommed. Other ships to follow when I have the time. Manxruler (talk) 18:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Unknown DOB
Hey! Yep no problem, will bear that in mind in future! Regards, GiantSnowman 13:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Danish expatriate footballers in Norway
Hello. I know that you are an active and helpful member of WP:FOOTY and wanted to make sure you agreed with the Project's consensus on "triple-intersect" categories like this. I noticed you reverted my edit to Allan Gaarde's article, but I was trying to move these categories to the parent Category:Expatriate footballers in Norway per a CfD and consensus on the WP:FOOTY talk page. Please join the discussion there if you disagree. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted you because I felt it wasn't justified (the edit summary did not hint towards this either), but after that I read some discussions on some talk pages, and I won't revert no more. If a consensus has been formed I don't have objections against that. Punkmorten (talk) 22:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello. Thank you for the reminder about these categories. I stopped working on clearing them out because it seemed like such a huge task, and I had made some mistakes (leaving out the Category:Fooian expatriate footballers). Also, it seems some people want to delete the expatriate footballer categories completely. However, since an admin has been deleting the empty categories, I'll make a new effort at clearing them. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 14:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

BD has become Lifetime
Hi Morten. Turns out that BD (Birth-Death) has been replaced by Lifetime, that is Template:BD now redirects to Template:Lifetime. I think we should start using Lifetime on the biography articles. Manxruler (talk) 11:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Stein H. Annexstad
A tag has been placed on Stein H. Annexstad requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Nuttah (talk) 08:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't get the chance to respond in the first place, but the article is in way better shape now. Punkmorten (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking over/editing article on Halden Hound
I have added 2 references. This is my first article, and I am unsure how many references I should have. What do you suggest? (Stanleyeddy (talk) 06:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC))

Thanks again! I was confused about how to list references, but believe I understand now. I appreciate your help.(Stanleyeddy (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC))

Andreas Thorkildsen under GA review
Hi there, I see that you are a primary contributor to the article Andreas Thorkildsen. This article has come under review for Good article reassessment as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified which are listed on the talk page. Please begin to address these points in the next seven days or the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the WP:GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've given up.. The article needs a thorough update to fully reflect his career post-late 2006. It 'would' be nice if someone else could give it a copyedit though, as I'm not a native speaker. Punkmorten (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Buckskin Joe, Colorado
Thanks for the review of Buckskin Joe, Colorado. An inline ref has been added for the alternate hook and the article's author has been asked to provide one for the main hook. Truthanado (talk) 15:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Ellen Hambro
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Ellen Hambro. Naggie34 (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Svein Gjerdåker
Well, not even Bernt Olufsen or Anne Aasheim (Verdens Gang and Dagbladet respectively) have their own pages, so Gjerdåker just seemed like an unlikely candidate. But it's not something I feel strongly about, so by all means - change it back. Or even better, create the page! Lampman (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe one day. NTB should have something lying around. Punkmorten (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

100 DYK Medal
Well done Victuallers (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Democrats
Congratulations with the 100 DYKs! You've been spitting them out like a fax machine gone bananas ;)

To the point: Any idea what ideology the Democrats of Norway hail to? Probably some sort of libertarianism, but what type? Their web site is silent on the issue (though not on the particulars of their interest). Arsenikk (talk)  22:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Their party is a strange breed. Some libertarian views ("don't waste taxpayer money", free trade), but on the other hand anti-EU, pro-armed interventions abroad, more discipline and police, tougher on drugs but softer on alcohol, less immigration, some Christian conservative views, "family values". Coupled with excplicitly pro-Israel views one could be tempted to label them as a European version of the Christian right. Sure, I've heard the term "populist" be applied before, but that's hardly very descriptive in itself (also, is it even logical that a party with 0.1% of the votes is populist?) Punkmorten (talk) 09:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

New South Greenland - orphan?
Can you explain the note you left on the above article's talkpage, describing it as an "orphan". It has about 40 links to other wikipedia articles. Brianboulton (talk) 00:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See article talk page.

Speedy deletion of Bjørn Flatgård
A tag has been placed on Bjørn Flatgård requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. Nuttah (talk) 22:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Norwegian photographers
In your reasoning you said the list was better off in project space. Why did you vote to delete instead of voting to move it as you said in your reasoning? 0 Mgm|(talk) 19:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't/don't see what's worth retaining. Punkmorten (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Zanzibar 1964 template
Many thanks for creating this template and adding it to the British plan articles. It is a very useful addition. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 12:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for saying thanks, and for writing the articles in the first place! Good! Punkmorten (talk) 14:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

review
Hi Punkmorten. Please review your actions at Neatypus obliquus and comment on the following:
 * You deleted a ref no such family as neatypus". Clearly I would know this, I just stubbed the monotypic genus. Why did you not fix it?
 * I happen to agree that it should not be at the name of the genus, it was done in accordance with the guidelines. Can you show me where and when this changed? Thanks – cygnis insignis 16:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! (1) When I clicked on the original link, I got the message "Family does not exist." Obviously there was a mistake, so I tried to change the "family" parameter to "genus", but that didn't work. To fix it, I now realize that I FishBase family should be replaced by FishBase species. I didn't know at the time. (2) I don't know of any change. The rationale "when a genus has only one species, the genus name should be a redirect to the species" was taken from Category:Redirects from monotypic taxa, which contains hundreds of genus names that are redirects. To make the genus name a redirect, I moved the page. Punkmorten (talk) 16:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, I think deleting a ref deserves a notice if you are unable to fix an obvious error. I must have used the reference?! I found the source of that recent change to a long standing convention, someone was well intentioned, but surprisingly unilateral and bold. I came to strike the question. There are quite a few articles under that arrangement, as with the flora here, some further discussion is likely to arise before a large scale change to TOL. cygnis insignis 17:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Zereske DYK nomination
Per your request, I found more information regarding Thomas Zereske. It should be enough prose length to earn the DYK if you wish to have another look. Chris (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Zereske got the DYK for today. Thanks four your help on this. Chris (talk) 15:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK
- Dravecky (talk) 05:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Anssi Koivuranta
Hi! If you like ski jumping articles and want to have them in DYK so maybe you can help me with doing a 5X expansion on Anssi Koivuranta. I have already gone from 1.700 to 4.600 but i need more info. Can you please help me? The Rolling Camel (talk) 20:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK
--Dravecky (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 09:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the medal!
Thanks for the medal, Punkmorten, much appreciated! EA210269 (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hej!
Kan du snälla fixa lite på min artikel om Konstantin Sokolenko så ska vi se om det kan bli en DYK av det. The Rolling Camel (talk) 17:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Beret Bråten
Hi Morten. FYI. Beret Bråten has been prodded by User:Nicki Tvedt. Rettetast (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you agree with it? Punkmorten (talk) 22:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'am not sure about it. The Stortinget bio page is down at the moment. Members of the national assembly are notable per WP:BIO. It does not say anything deputy representatives. It looks like a bordeline case of notability. The "new" user has sure made himself familiar with different policies though. Funny with SPAs (so far) that is only interested in such a low profile article. Rettetast (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed the link. It is true that she were deputy number five, so she did not actually meet in a parliamentary session. If they met, they're definitely notable (being a de facto legislator). I don't normally create articles about people who haven't met. Back then I thought the combination of the three was interesting enough to write about, though. Punkmorten (talk) 17:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Ndiss Kaba Badji
You're missing a word after 'only' in the DYK hook. - 87.211.75.45 (talk) 16:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Ingrid Espelid pic byline
Hei. (In English for the record): I noticed you removed the template Jarle Vines from the Ingrid Espelid image I put up. Is it because you know from experience we're not obliged to post such a byline, or because you didn't look at the attribution conditions? I thought this was a must, so if you could share with me your reasoning.. Cheers, M URGH   disc.  23:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * More out of old habit, since the template did not exist in en:wiki until recently. Don't worry, I won't be warring over it. That said, I strongly disagree that the photographer be credited within articles. Our writers, copyeditors etc don't make such a demand. Can one even consider an image released under such conditions "free"? Punkmorten (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm with you and would much rather avoid it if it won't cause problems. The credit is a click away for anyone to see anyway. For a hook, how about "..is considered the "culinary mother" of Norway..?" The translation isn't such a leap and sources plentiful. M URGH   disc.  23:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's try that. You could link mother like this: mother. Punkmorten (talk) 08:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My initial thought was that is a great link to use, but isn't there a distinction between "mother of.." and "&mdash;mother" ? Espelid is influential but not exactly to Norwegian food culture as Daguerre is to photo, as Marx is to communism? I must admit I'm not crystal clear about the Norwegian expression either, if it is the primary meaning or a double entendre of matmor that is "provider of food to a pet".. M URGH   disc.  10:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Answer to first question: yes, you may be right. The former has to do with birth and the latter with care. Punkmorten (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I seem to remember reading somewhere (in a featured article on Dagbla' or Aftenposten) that an authority in the field [of hairdressing trends] claimed she was the trend setter for all old women in Norway's hair styles, i.e. the expert claimed that most Norwegian women have the same hair style because of her. If verifiable and used as a hook, this would remove mother from the discussion, if that is our largest concern here on the encyclopedia. Arsenikk (talk)  21:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Crazy, but I have actually read that article. Rettetast (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I considered the DN article claim, but thought it would be too long to phrase it correctly where there is needed a snappy hook. The nom is up so we'll see how it is received. M URGH   disc.  23:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

My DYKs
Hi Morten. I was having a look at your latest contributions to see if there was something interesting in my field of interest coming up when I noticed User:Manxruler/DYK. Thanks for creating it, I shall add a link to it on my user page. One question; it seems you feel that I should have some credit for my work on Kjeld Stub Irgens, and I agree with regards to that. Does this mean I can add Irgens to my official DYK list and count? Manxruler (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Or rather, seeing as I don't have a DYK credit notice on my talk page, I don't really feel comfortable doing that. If you feel I should have credit for Irgens, then please add the relevant DYK notice tag on my talk page. Cumbersome, I know, but I like doing things as much as possible by the book. Manxruler (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding Irgens to my list. All I need now is for a talk page DYK tag. I've seen it added retrospectively before, so I don't think it would be a problem if you went ahead and did that too using date . Manxruler (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

interest, My field of
Ah, yes. Administrasjonsrådet isn't exactly the easiest thing in Norwegian history to find information on. I'll have a look through my book collection tomorrow evening and see if I can find something on Eger. Great work on all the biographical articles, by the way. I particularly like the very recent one on Ingrid Espelid Hovig. Manxruler (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Having gone through my books I have regrettably been unable to track any information at all on C. W. Eger. I'm sure there are books that deals with him and the other members of the Administrative Council, but in any case I don't have them in my collection. It's still good enough for a DYK nom and I suggest that you go ahead and do that. Manxruler (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking anyway. Up for DYK now. Punkmorten (talk) 20:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice article, this. I actually considered writing that article last year, I might just make some contributions at some point. I'm glad someone took the time to write the article, and did a good job at it. Manxruler (talk) 16:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I heard about Kayser passing the other day. What do you say we collaborate on writing and DYK-nominating an article on him? I believe I have quite a few books that mention him and there should be plenty of obituaries on him now. Manxruler (talk) 15:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Lazy journalists... You're right, of course. We can't use any of the articles if they're based on that completely unreferenced Norwegian Wikipedia article. I have found some other sources that I deem reliable and I'll start adding them soon. Manxruler (talk) 18:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So, have you found something via Atekst? Manxruler (talk) 23:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Haven't had the time to sit down at the university, sorry. Punkmorten (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this. We have something similar at NHH, and it allows me to sit in Germany or wherever and connect to Atekst and other nice stuff. Arsenikk (talk)  21:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to have an Atekst check done, I would feel even better about our nom in that case. Manxruler (talk) 04:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just nominated Kayser. Manxruler (talk) 16:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Good work on Atekst. Regrettably I have never heard of Wictor Esbensen before and I doubt I have any sources on him. As to the Måløy operation I have not heard about that either, but I shall look around a bit, there should be info somewhere. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * With regards to how long Kayser served in the Guards, it's hard to say. The Guards might have been different, but in the regular army of the late 1930s the conscription period was as far as I remember 60 days. It might be safest to leave it out. Manxruler (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, according to the Norwegian Defence Forces website the Guards had a pre-World War II service time of eight months. So I'd say that 1937-1938 for Kayser is probably correct. Manxruler (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Did you find any info an Kayser's decoration, by the way? If he got all that are listed on Norwegian Wiki they should be mentioned in some of the articles you found on Atekst. Manxruler (talk) 17:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, only mentions that he was highly decorated. I didn't look specifically for it, though, so I can for citations for each award, but next week. Punkmorten (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool. We should list his decorations, but it's no hurry. Manxruler (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

With regards to HMY Alexandra, I'm inclined to think that since she was nothing less than a Royal Yacht under that name it's probably fair for the article to have that name. She is on my short-list of ship articles to expand in a little while. Manxruler (talk) 10:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In the case of Alexandra/Prins Olav there's also some room for controversy with reagrds to some details, so I'm going to spend some time to ensure that I get all the facts straight and find good sources. Manxruler (talk) 11:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I haven't heard about Nils Uhlin Hansen before, but I'll look around. On another point, I was going to OK the Basis Nord nom over at DYK, but I can't see that the base was established after the German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940). At least the article isn't specific on that point. Manxruler (talk) 21:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it. I'm not too sure about the chronology either; what I wanted to convey was the degree of cooperation between the two states, which I'm sure many readers/people will find really surprising. Punkmorten (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll re-evaluate it soon. I agree, not everyone knows of the close cooperation that existed between Hitler and Stalin up until June 1941. A cooperation not exactly filled with a deep sense of trust but an important cooperation none the less. Manxruler (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding Uhlin Hansen, what kind of a source is the "Special Forces Roll Of Honour"? It looks a lot like a wiki to me. Manxruler (talk) 23:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I had that thought as well, so we should replace that source with something more reliable. But we can use it as a hint on what to look for. Punkmorten (talk) 08:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this may be useful as a pointer for what to look for. At least the person who wrote the thing gave a name (John Robertson), as well as a source for his info, one Stig Olav Johansen. Now, I wouldn't say that that source was verifiable, but the listed info at least gives some hints as to what search words to use in a further search. Manxruler (talk) 09:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Great work on Kayser today, by the way. I added the decorations to the infobox. And I saw that you had found some more sources on Hansen, good stuff. Manxruler (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thumbs up for Hansen. I just did a little copy-editing, will see if I can find something to add in a while. Great work once again. Manxruler (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Well... Not directly. The units involved in that battle were all regular army ones. But Dovreskogen rifle association did provide security for King Haakon VII during the fighting and escorted him out of the Dovre area. That might very well be the same people that Tronstad helped organize. Manxruler (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Great that you're expanding Tronstad, by the way. Really good stuff. Manxruler (talk) 13:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, that. Although I would have liked to have had more exact dates as to when in April 1940 he did these things. This sounds like the first few days after the invasion, but doesn't say so specifically. The part about covering the retreat from Østerdalen (with rifle association folks, I presume) is interesting, although what effect this might all have had on the fighting I couldn't say. The Germans only tried to do an airborne landing once during the post-invasion fighting, at Dombås, and that was done with fallschirmjägers, so they didn't really need anywhere to land aircraft. Much of the German transport aircraft were also withdrawn to continent after the initial invasion, to prepare for the invasion of France. I think the safe thing to write based on that source would be that Tronstad helped to organize volunteers from the rifle associations (that's an article we should have, by the way) during the Norwegian Campaign. With regards to the defence line at Hjerkinn, the importance of that depends on when it was formed, but all the units at the Battle of Dombås were from the regular army, transiting through the area when the Germans made their para attack. Manxruler (talk) 13:18, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should probably be removed, since we don't really have the dates to make that claim. Sure, GA should be possible. Do you think you can expand it to DYK too? Manxruler (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't happen to know what kind of OBE Tronstad got? There are several different ones. Manxruler (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Having googled "Order of the British Empire with Palms" I got zero exact hits. Manxruler (talk) 15:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Better not spread it then; let's remove it. Punkmorten (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Yes, the article could use a short mention of the operation itself. Manxruler (talk) 19:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Recommendation noted with appreciation. In the past I've simply left Norwegian articles date links unchanged, using the date link convention the original author followed. Henceforth, should I translate, I'll rid the world of these generally useless links. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 03:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Appreciate your reminder that I can move pages - I was indeed aware of it, having moved pages in the past. However I am only able to edit intermittently (as an engineer, I travel extensively) and find some of the editing techniques grow rusty between stints.  So I appreciate the dedication of folks like yourself who are willing to take on the administrative roles as well as monitor segments of the encyclopedia to improve its quality. This allows me to focus - in those periods when I do have some time to contribute - on simply getting new material onto the page rather than on mastering all the ever-evolving rules, techniques, formats, expectations & wiki-arcania of the Wikipedia.


 * Keep up your good work. Williamborg (Bill) 15:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian Women's Footballers
Hello again. Thanks for the heads up about the user creating new women's football articles. Yes, I will go ahead and add as much as I can on the newer/current players first, then go back and do some research on the older/retired players as I have time. Thanks again for all you do around here. =)

Ragnhild16 (talk) 05:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Ljubinje (town)
A good day to you; I took the liberty of restoring the page above. It wasn't even tagged as a speedy, and it was listed at WP:PNT; so, Imho it did not qualify as a speedy. It may well be that the article is deleted after evaluation, but let's see. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 08:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It has no useful content. Punkmorten (talk) 09:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And how to you know this? Is the language one that you speak? Even if it only says that the town has 10.000 inhabitants, why wouldn't that be useful? Lectonar (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No town has exactly 10,000 inhabitants. It's guesswork, and without a source, and not even written in English, no, it's no decent starting point for an article. It's better if someone starts from scratch. Now I'm not taking this any further. Punkmorten (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: 50 DYK Medal
Thanks! --Soman (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Any relation?
Hi Morten. You wouldn't happen to know if Christian Holtermann Knudsen would by any chance be related to the Norwegian World War II officer Hans Reidar Holtermann? Manxruler (talk) 20:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It would probably have to be grandson or grandnephew, but I can't find anything about it. Punkmorten (talk) 20:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Appreciation
Hi Punkmorten, Thanks for you note of appreciation on GAreviews. However, I'm not sure which article(s) of yours that I've reviewed. Thanks anyway - it is much appreciated.Pyrotec (talk) 22:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:Did you know
I've reverted your removal of Trunnell Elementary School from T:TDYK. Even though the AfD won't be closed until February 15, the article nomination should remain at T:TDYK. If the AfD discussion is closed as keep, then we should make an exception and allow it to appear on the main page even if it's a couple days late. If the AfD discussion is closed as merge or delete, then that's the time that the DYK nomination should be removed. I believe that this is fair because an AfD discussion should not prevent the creator from having his/her article appear on the main page. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 09:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

re: useful pointer
Thankyou, hadn't seen that before. I'd seen a bunch of them link and to be honest I only assumed it was the norm. Thankyou for correcting. PizzaofDoom (talk) 06:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Regular deputies
Do deputy members of the Storting, who met regularly while the person they deputized were members of the cabinet, but were never themselves ever elected a regular member, go in the members of deputy members cat? Arsenikk (talk)  20:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. The answer is: 1) people who meet because of cabinet representation (which is what you said) or death, go in the members category. The Storting biographies will use the wording "møtte fast" or "rykket opp". 2) People who met because of illness, travel (standing committees visiting abroad, deputations to international organizations etc) or other short-term absence go in the deputy members category. Punkmorten (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * After all, the deputy members are elected in the same way as regular members. Punkmorten (talk) 20:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Finnish DYK
Thanks for correcting me about the Finnish DYKs! The date I mentioned was the most recent in the list of Finland-related DYKs at WP:FINLAND (it obviously hadn't been updated for a while). Good job with the Koivuranta article, I will add it to the list now, and to the selection of DYKs at the Finland Portal. If you see any other Finland-related DYKs you should feel free to add it to the list. Thanks, and have a nice day! ☺   Spiby    ☻  11:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Norway/Things you can do
Hello, regarding, I will start a discussion at Portal talk:Norway. Cirt (talk) 10:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK
--Dravecky (talk) 08:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Shubinator (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 04:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Shubinator (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 05:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 05:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Shubinator (talk) 17:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Shubinator (talk) 23:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

PROD contested
Please note that Esben Ertzeid, which was deleted after you PRODded it, has been restored after a request at today's DRV. You may wish to AFD it. Stifle (talk) 16:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thorbjørn Jagland
Hey, I'm Hunter. I'm doing the GAN review for Thorbjørn Jagland. I saw some of your recent changes and agreed with all of them, except the removal of the Wikipedia stuff. From my completely unbiased perspective, I think it's warranted (sources are fine, and the coverage it appears to have received indicates notability). However, I did start a topic in the Talk page letting people know there was a disagreement about it, so if anybody else disagrees with its inclusion, it can be raised there.

Please feel free to join the discussion at that talk page, but I'd recommend we try to come to a consensus before simply removing it again. Please don't take this as a sign of disrespect to you; we're all in this for the same reason, which is to make these articles as accurate and complete as possible! --Hunter Kahn (talk) 21:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK
--Dravecky (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

--Dravecky (talk) 08:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK template
Hey Punkmorten, I've noticed that when you and some other editors are nominating DYKs, sometimes the template fails to show "Self nom at " (as in this one), and other times it doesn't.  I have experimented in the sandbox for a while and can't get it to come up without showing that text, so I can't figure out what could be causing it. Next time you make a nomination and see it not show that, could you send me a copy of the exact text you used in the edit window so I can see what might be causing it? (Or, if you remember what you typed last time, that would work too.) r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 19:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That's weird...it's supposed to automatically put in "Self nom" when you leave nominator blank, and it does most of the time (including when I test it) but I keep seeing things on T:TDYK when it didn't do it. For example, when I use "" it yields

====Example====


 * ... that this is an Example

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Same for when I do it without, and when I replace author with writer or creator ... I can't figure out what some people are doing differently to get it to not put "Self nom at 00:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)" . r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 00:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Andrew Dickson White
You mean the project assessments? I must have missed that, but thanks for pointing it out. Lampman (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)