User talk:Gestrid/Archive 2

Discussion with Wendyeb
Thank you for your welcome note. I don't know why the Eugene Lion page is not suitable. He is not a living person, and I am working hard on the verifiable sources. I've read the pages you suggest, I did so before I began. Can you help me by explaining why the entry is not acceptable?Wendy Burton (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * While I'm not a professional on writing Wikipedia articles, I would suggest that you start by finding online sources. Those are more-easily verifiable than print sources, which seem to be all you've sourced.  You can also try to find some more up-to-date print sources, as those are more easily found and, as a result, more verifiable.  It seems to me the main reason your article got declined is because the sources are too difficult to verify.  I realize WP:SOURCEACCESS says otherwise, but I would try to find sources that are easier for others to get to.  If you need help finding sources, try WP:REREQ, where you can ask others for help finding a source.
 * I would also recommend that you try using the Visual Editor's citation tool to clean up your references list, per Dodger67's comment below the rejection notice. The directions to turn it on are directly below the big "Enable Visual Editor" link.  Once turned on, click "Edit" where you would normally see "Edit Source" in the upper-right of any article.  With it, you can just put in the information, and it will automatically create and add the citation to the selected place within thee article and within the References list.  I would recommend against using the automated part of it, because it's been known to incorrectly format some types of sources.
 * I hope this helps. And sorry for taking so long to get back to you.
 * -- Gestrid (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked at Dodger67's talk page and saw he gave you some feedback that you never replied to. I suggest you also look at that. -- Gestrid (talk) 22:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I appreciate it. I will continue looking for sources online. Wendy Burton (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * One more thing that I just noticed: Try putting some sources from the internet in your Further Reading list. -- Gestrid (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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I'm going to file an ANI now for Ninja. If you're in the process of making one, let me know. Otherwise, don't worry about it and I'll make one and ping you in it.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 20:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I am right now. About to submit it. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll add what I have and make a co-filing.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 20:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. See Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Given the past behavior of blanking content on Obama, I think arguing NOTHERE or some other inability to edit cooperatively is the appropriate approach here and ANI is the better venue for that.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 20:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Discussion with Sandy Montoya
Gestrid, I am new to Wiki and have ideas for articles, and the draft I am working on has some difficulties. Maybe you can give me some advice, please? My draft is about a person who has a global Christian ministry that has helped many people over two decades and he played pro baseball also; however, the work this man does is mainly in third world countries, so getting reference resources and news articles is very difficult. Also, this person has a history with trauma, and due to the trauma related issues he cannot publish extensive books and such, which is actually mentioned in my draft. However, last year someone wrote a bio on him and it was self published by his ministry and a good amount of info I can use is in this bio; Wiki said self published books can be used under certain criteria I believe. In this man's bio are quotes from a professional Christian counselor from a recognized church who verifies his recovery story in writing. So, my question is, does this man's self published bio written by an objective person that contains quotes from a recognized pro counselor meet Wiki criteria for a reference? Here is my draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Scott_Nute. Do you think I can adjust my draft to get it approved as an article, or do you think it is basically not doable, as I don't want to invest more time if it has no chance of being accepted as an article, and can move on to something else? Thank you! Sandy Montoya (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey,, and welcome to Wikipedia! I looked at the source you seemed to be referring to, as well as Wikipedia's policies about primary sources.  Wikipedia's policy can be seen here and an essay explaining the policy in detail can be seen here.  Unfortunately, that policy says that primary sources can be used in any case except in the case of a living person, which Scott Nute seems to be.
 * I also noticed your draft lacks an infobox. You can use the template Infobox person for your draft, but, because of copyright restrictions, you can't add an image (unless the image isn't copyrighted, I believe) until the draft is "published" in what we call the "mainspace," the place on Wikipedia where all articles reside.
 * As far as drafting the article, I would still try to submit the draft for review (after adding the template I mentioned) to get the reviewer's feedback. I've only made about 500 edits in total on Wikipedia, so I (and others) wouldn't call myself qualified enough to tell you there's no hope for your draft.  If your draft ended up not passing review, then you are allowed to go back and edit the draft and resubmit as many times as you want.
 * One more thing: In the future, if you want to start a new conversation on either a user's talk page or an article's talk page, click the button in the upper-right that says "New section" instead of the one that says "Edit source." This allows you to create a new section right away instead of someone having to create the section later.
 * I honestly do hope your draft gets approved. Reply here or ask a question at the Teahouse if you need any more help with anything (such as finding sources).
 * -- Gestrid (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Gestrid, thank you for taking the time to get back to me. There is an overwhelming amount of info and such on Wiki; it definitely will take time to gain a basic understanding. Can you please explain in the most simple way so I don't misunderstand, in your previous message did you mean the bio written about Nute cannot be used because it is self published even though it was written by an objective person? Or, did you mean while Nute is alive his professional counselors quotes cannot be used on Wiki even if, let's say, there was a written and legal release signed by the counselor to include his words in the bio? Thanks Again! Sandy Montoya (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I misunderstood what source you were using.  I Googled something like "scott nute biography" and only found the link here http://www.scottnute.org/bio, so that's what I thought you were talking about.  I just double-checked what source you were talking about and realized you were talking about a book about him.  Yes, you can use the book.
 * Also, I would also like to check with you on something: Are those photos in the article all your work, or were they just gathered from various sources? If they aren't your work, the photos will likely be deleted quickly.  Wikipedia does take copyrights seriously.  If they aren't your work, I suggest you get permission to use them quickly. -- Gestrid (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Gestrid, sorry for the confusion. Yes, a woman, Nita Deborde, wrote a biography book on Nute called God's Paper Boy. It was self published by Nute's ministry on amazon. So, in that context, are you saying the quotes from the pro counselor can be used in my wiki draft? And, yes, I already have permission to use the photos that are now on my draft....thanks for your help with the infobox and photos. If you have the time, would you be willing to give my draft a close look and give me feedback on specific things that won't be accepted? Or, should I just go ahead and submit the draft for review and they will give me feedback details on what needs to be changed? Sandy Montoya (talk) 00:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You can use the quotes, but they need to be either shorter than they are now or paraphrased. Also, they shouldn't be italicized.  You can read WP:QUOTE for more info about quotations.
 * As for the images, instead of claiming them as your own work, you should've said which license it was released to you under. I've started a discussion over on Wikimedia Commons (where you uploaded the image) about it.  You can see and comment on that by clicking here.  If you happen to be logged out, just login with the same credentials you use to login to Wikipedia.
 * As for submitting the draft, I suggest you either fix the problem with the quotes and then submit it, or fix the quotes and wait for feedback on what to do with the images. I leave the choice up to you. -- Gestrid (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Someone on Wikimedia Commons has tagged each of the copyrighted images with the "No permission since" template. Please follow the instructions and send that email address evidence of permission.  Otherwise, the images will be deleted in one week from today.  I don't have much experience in this kind of thing, so, if you need help, you should go to the discussion I opened on the matter here and ask for help there.  Note that some people there think you may have a conflict of interest.  According to the linked policy, do you?  If so, I must also ask if you are a paid editor. -- Gestrid (talk) 14:35, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gestrid, thanks for the info. The way Wiki goes about things is different and detailed. I am learning as we go along. To your questions, there is no interest conflict and I am not being paid to edit this article. I will do as you said and have the permission email sent. Now, please explain how this works...it is hard to understand the layers of draft review and such Wiki has in place and trying to find info on here is like finding the proverbial needle in the haystack. So, in a few days I plan to submit the draft after making the changes you suggested as I need to move on to other writing ideas I have. Who reviews it my draft when I send it....are they simply reviewing it as a draft to give suggestions on how to refine it and make it more presentable to the article editor, or what is the process. Thanks again for your help and patience. It is clear you have been on here a while to be able to find all this info so quickly Sandy Montoya (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You will submit the draft for review. A reviewer will, well, review the draft.  If they think the article is ready to "go live", they will move it to the "mainspace".  (That means they'll remove the "Draft:" part of the title and the "Submit your draft" button.)  They'll also notify you on your talk page, saying that it was approved and where to find the new article.
 * If they don't think it's ready, they will say so in their review, and they will say why they think it's not ready. You will then be able to fix the problem(s) and resubmit as many times as needed.  The reviewer will leave a notice (a review) at the top of the draft saying why the draft was declined.  Don't remove this because it lets the next reviewer(s) know why the draft was declined.  Each time the article is declined, the reviewer will leave a message on your talk page saying that it was declined and why.  You can delete that message if you want to.
 * I hope this helps. I may have mentioned that I've never written an article before, so I'm only speaking as someone who has seen reviews happen.
 * One more thing: It's common practice on Wikipedia for people to post their response to someone to someone's post directly under that someone's post. Please do so here.  I'm getting a little tired of moving your posts to the bottom of this section, where the post you're responding to is.  Also, as a suggestion, it's best to show which post you're replying to by using a colon  to indent your post, as you see my posts are.  The more colons used, the further the paragraph is indented.
 * I apologize if that sounds harsh. It isn't meant to be.
 * -- Gestrid (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

oh, ok, now I understand better. Good to know that Wiki gives us plenty of time and chances to make changes and do all we can to actually get it approved. I thought maybe you had 2 or 3 chances and then they would delete it and not allow further submissions. Hey, thanks again. Will keep you posted. Sandy Montoya (talk) 20:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Help for IRC client
I recently started using the Wikipedia IRC channel through HexChat. I found the suggested plugin for HexChat on Wikipedia, annd I followed the instructions, but it still comes up with an error when I try to load the plugin: "USERNAME", of course, replaces my actual name for my privacy. Each line is from a different "system message," all of them milliseconds apart. I realize this isn't an editing question, but I'm not sure where to go, especially since many (if not all) of the talk pages about Wikipedia's IRC haven't been touched in years. The IRC itself is still active. -- Gestrid (talk) 06:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I exclusively use Freenode Kiwi, our stand-alone web client, so I'm not entirely sure. My apologies. But... I'll pass this question along and ask one of the other IRC users who are more experienced with browser-end clients to take a look at your question. Hopefully you'll receive an answer shortly. :) Quinto Simmaco (talk) 07:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, come to think of it, log on the IRC help channel and ask someone there, using the !helper command to get their attention. You can find the link at the top of my user profile page (click "connect" to be taken to the portal). Quinto Simmaco (talk) 07:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll try that in the morning. It's 3am here.  By the way, HexChat is an installable program, not a browser add-on. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, obviously that's illustrative of my ignorance on the subject. ;) Ha. I do know, however, that several of our helpers use HexChat, so I'm sure they'll be much better equipped to answer your question. Good luck! Quinto Simmaco (talk) 07:17, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, so let me preface this by saying I don't know Python at all. I Googled the error, though, and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25445439/what-does-syntaxerror-missing-parentheses-in-call-to-print-mean-in-python would suggest that the script might have been written in an older version of Python than you're using to run the script?  --Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 07:24, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's quite possible. There are two versions compatible with HexChat, and I installed the newer of the two.  I'll try it with the older version in the morning.  I really should be getting to bed now.  I think you can close this discussion now. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and tried it real quick, and it worked! Thanks! -- Gestrid (talk) 07:37, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem! I also went ahead and installed the script, since I was running the old version of Python, and was about to tell you it worked . Closing help request.  Good night! --Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 07:40, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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