User talk:Getg

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Green Earth Technologies
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from Green Earth Technologies. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Hairhorn (talk) 04:22, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Green Earth Technologies, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. The Interior (Talk) 04:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Status and Advice
You said on the talk p. of 3/10/2011 - This article should not be deleted. I did not initially creat it, and believe that all this information in this article is non-promotional and factual. There is no promotion of the products, pricing, where or how to purchase, user opinions of the product or non-factual information. I am not affiliated with this company or products, but have taken the responsibility of editing this page since there was missing information that I was knowledgable about. My username reflects the fact that I am knowledgable about this product, not affiliated with the company in any way. If there is any information that needs to be updated, please make the proper edits, or indicate exactly is being disputed so I can change it. Thank you --GETG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Getg (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC),
 * 3/10/2011 - This article should not be deleted. I did not initially creat it, and believe that all this information in this article is non-promotional and factual. There is no promotion of the products, pricing, where or how to purchase, user opinions of the product or non-factual information. I am not affiliated with this company or products, but have taken the responsibility of editing this page since there was missing information that I was knowledgable about. My username reflects the fact that I am knowledgable about this product, not affiliated with the company in any way. If there is any information that needs to be updated, please make the proper edits, or indicate exactly is being disputed so I can change it. Thank you --GETG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Getg (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As reviewing administrator, I have   deleted the article,  for two reasons.  Not only is it promotional, but the article needs to show notability with references providing substantial coverage from  3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases.  What you need is articles from trade journals or general news source that discuss or review the product.  What will help also is some indication of market share, and the size of the company. Since it is publicly traded, there should be financial data available, and it is appropriate to include it.
 * Furthermore, I doubt the neutral point of view of the way the article uses the sources: With regard to the EPA, the only product of this company listed on their site, going by the link you gave,  is the glass cleaner;   since the article is mainly about the motor oil, this does not provide a clear and objective presentation.  With respect to the LeMans pressrelease, I see that the main page of the site lists Mobil 1 in prominent position and does not mention the company's products.  Apparently yours is one of the products permitted to co-advertise, but there would need to be some evidence if is  the major one.  Similarly, the article talks about the "base" of the motor oil being biological, but then says that it contains a "limited" amount of conventional additives, without giving any actual data. Ambiguous wordings like these  where the statements are  literally true, but only in a narrow sense, with the apparent effect of giving a much broader impression, is   characteristic of promotional writing; it  is not acceptable by the standards of an encyclopedia. It would need fundamental rewriting. . Nor would an encyclopedia  accept a statement like "limited amount" , or a lesser amount than competitive products, without objective evidence of the proportions--if this is too proprietary for you to provide and document, there is no actually usable information about the "Green" nature of the product.
 * As details of style, repeating the full name of all the products multiple times in full capitals is promotional. Repeating the name of the company multiple times is promotional. Listing the complete line of minor products is promotional.  These things, though, could be fixed by routine editing, and if they were the only problem I would have rewritten the article, not deleted it.
 * As you have already been told, the general rule is that a suitable page will be best written by someone without Conflict of Interest; it's not impossible to do it properly with a conflict of interest or as a paid press agent, but it's relatively more difficult: one is automatically thinking in terms of the organization wishes to communicate to the public, but an uninvolved person will think in terms of what the public might wish to know, and what evidence there is for it.
 * If, and only if, you do have substantial independent product reviews or equivalent substantial sources from publications that are not based of press releases, then you can try rewriting the article. Until you do, I would urge you not to try, because even if you were to appeal to the community, there is no chance at all that the article will be accepted, and I do not see how it would be in your interests.
 * I do not want to discourage you, but to urge you to write a proper article if it is possible DGG ( talk ) 17:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)