User talk:Ghaly/Archive 1

Welcome!
Hello Ghaly, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place helpme on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! --Meno25 01:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks
Many thanks for all the wikipedia administrators support and interest in the articles I have written--Ghaly 01:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thank you
Dear Ghaly; Hello (in Coptic we say Nofri) and thank you for your great efforts in spreading the Coptic culture on the pages of Wikipedia. We need to work together to make sure things are correct and presentable. A couple of issues we need to solve include: - When should we use "Coptic" and when should we use "Egyptian"? For example, should we categorize the saints as "Coptic" saints or "Egyptian" saints? Personally I prefer "Egyptian" because it is more accurate (for example, all the saints and the martyrs who predate the Arab invasion of Egypt never referred to our nation as "Coptic" because the word "Coptic" is an Arab invention) - In cases such as Fr. Manassa Youhanna, should he be categorized as a theologian or a historian? He wrote in both fields, and I was always under the impression that he was more of a theologian than a historian. Please correct me on this point. Thanks once again, and I am looking forward to more cooperation with you for the sake of the Coptic (or as I would like to say: Egyptian Christian) nation. Your brother; --Lanternix 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Coptic Popes
Hello; I suggest removing the categorization Category:Coptic Orthodox Church from all Coptic Popes. In my opinion, the categorization as Category:Patriarchs of Alexandria is enough (it falls under Category:Coptic Orthodox Church anyway, so the final result is that the Coptic Popes will be also under Category:Coptic Orthodox Church. I think this makes things a little more organized. What do you think? Thanks. --Lanternix 22:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Naguib Al Rehani
Hi,Ghali. Considering this article, you can't just change the name of the article in this way. You have to use the move button so as not to destroy the history of the article. Here what I will do:
 * 1) Copy the wikitext of the article Naguib Al Rihani and paste it in Naguib Al Rehani.
 * 2) Nominate the page Naguib Al Rihani for speedy deletion.
 * 3) After step 2 which takes usually only a few hours, I will move the article Naguib Al Rehani to Naguib Al Rihani.

When all this is done, the article will be named as Naguib Al Rihani and the history will be OK. Thank you. --Meno25 14:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The article was moved correctly to Naguib Al Rihani. Thank you. --Meno25 16:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Copt
The article Copt you nominated as a good article has failed, see Talk:Copt for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a review. Chrisfow 17:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Style
Hi there Ghaly. I appreciate your efforts in creating articles about important Egyptians, but there's an issue here. Try to follow the guidelines set in WP:MoS, or at least the basic standards of writing, when you start new articles. Articles should be properly formatted, wikified, and written. Also, an important thing to do is to provide at least one or two sources for every article you start or they might be deleted. Happy editing. :) - Anas   Talk? 13:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't have much time to work on articles, you can start one in a subpage of your user page and publish it once it's done. Remember it's quality not quantity that matters. Trust me, once you work on a few articles properly, your proper article writing will drastically improve. I remember when I first edited here, it took me an hour to start this article, but check the article out now. It was voted for deletion before because it contained original research, was biased, and needed clean-up. I can start a proper stub in five minutes now. At least, you can do the basic stuff, i.e. making the subject of the article bold and placed in the lead and using complete sentences (instead of saying "Mohamed. Soccer player. In Ahly", you can say "Mohamed is a soccer player who currently plays for Al-Ahly."), etc. Your articles are making it hard for everyone; some may confuse them for non-notable content and it is getting hard to track your articles and reformat them. All the best. - Anas   Talk? 13:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, even the articles you pointed out to are not properly formatted. For example, in the Nagui Asaad article, you should not say "Full name;", among other mistakes. You can rewrite the lead as:


 * Youssef Nagui Asaad (ناجي أسعد) (born September 12 1945) is a former Egyptian athlete who was mainly active in the 1970s and early 1980s in shot put and discus throw.


 * Now notice how the quality of the prose differs. This is properly formatted and wikified. Your articles need cleanup (I noticed you removed the cleanup tag in the article) and the references need proper formatting and, not to complicate stuff, you'll have to user the cite web template. Seems a bit complicated, eh? It is, but once you get used to it, it wouldn't be. Now, when I said start them in your user page (since you are usually short of time), I meant only start them there, work on them until they are at least of acceptable quality (properly formatted, categorized, wikified, etc.), and then publish it in the main space. This is what I do; see User:Anas Salloum/Drafts/Mahmoud el-Meliguy for an example. I'm sure that any article needs some time for it to be edited by other users, right? Leave a message if you have any further questions. - Anas   Talk? 14:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * To tell you the truth, Assia Dagher is, albeit of acceptable quality, one of my worst articles. I suggest using the much better Yehia Chahine article as a model. Also, a quick heads up, you used the same reference twice; you can use a single reference more than once (check Chahine's article). Good luck editing! :) - Anas   Talk? 14:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries
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Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. :) - Anas   Talk? 14:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Names
I don't trust IMDb, at least not always. In the case of el-Meliguy, well, it is more grammatically correct to use "el-" not "El", it's similar to saying "Alexander the Great" and not "Alexander The Great". Always do a little research on the most common and accurate name before starting an article; that's what I do. And by the way, IMDb is not considered a reliable source of information, because much of its information is provided by users. - Anas   Talk? 21:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Ghaly, how is it going? I have a suggestion for you. Can you start a subpage with a list of the articles you have started? That would help you and anyone who wants to track your articles. Thank you so much for your hard work! - Anas   Talk? 09:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a heads up, in external links, you shouldn't use a "|" between the link and the title; only use a space. For example Wikipedia produces Wikipedia. Happy editing. :) -  A nas   Talk? 11:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK suggestion
Hi Ghaly, I noticed the good work on the Nagui Asaad article. Why don't you give it a shot and nominate it in Template talk:Did you know? There are many hooks in the article, like what is mentioned in the achievements section. Just make sure the article is long enough and recently expanded. Have a good day. -  A nas   Talk? 18:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I have put it as you recommended, thanks .--Ghaly 20:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made to Nagui Asaad
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Bidaya wa Nihaya
I know all that. Besides, except for the infobox, I've probably done all the major noticeable work (see diff). Cheers. -  An as   Talk? 15:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

icon
Help on the icon article pretty please. LoveMonkey 03:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

MMC
Thanks for keeping Modernising Medical Careers up-to-date and NPOV. I don't edit that page out of WP:COI considerations. Are you a doctor? JFW | T@lk  15:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My wife is a doctor, who is affected by the MMC and I am a dentist who is studying medicine these days in the UK , although MMC concerns me , I just wanted to update the article without compremising its neutrality , I hope my entry was not against any rules--Ghaly 17:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry with regards to WP:COI. That would mainly have been a problem if your edits were unbalanced (which they are not). Will you be helping out on the dentistry-related pages? JFW | T@lk  17:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have already started stubs of pages related to dentistry like Faculty of Dental Surgery and Faculty of General Dental Practice and contributed a with a lot of the information on Orthognathic surgery--Ghaly 17:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Copts
Dear Ghaly, I understand you weren't able to read the Coptic letters on the page Copts, which caused you to remove them. You need to download Coptic Unicode fonts on your computer in order to be able to view them. Here is the link to the download page. The New Athena font is particularly important in this case. Thanks! --Lanternix 16:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

list of Egyptian athletes
Hi. That's a great list you did on Egyptian athletes. Do you think you can write some articles or stubs for the players? It's got so many red links right now. Thanks man, I'll talk to you later. Egyegy 15:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Requesting assistance on Athanasius of Alexandria
There seems to be some disagreement in various sources regarding when Arius first encountered difficulties with the church of Alexandria. I've seen one source which says they started under Peter of Alexandria; there are other sources from I think generally very creditable sources which indicate they started under Alexander of Alexandria. I think it might be valuable if you, a member of the Coptic Church, could find out what if anything the History of the Patriarchs of Alexandria says about this directly. It is my hope, although I know perhaps a vain one, that you might know of some way to access that volume to find such information out. Please let us know at Talk:Athanasius of Alexandria regarding whatever you find out. Thank you. John Carter 16:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. The category for those who are in the Oriental Orthodoxy WikiProject, Category:Wikipedians in WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy, is being considered for renaming. Please feel free to offer any comments you might wish to make at WP:UCFD. Thank you. John Carter 20:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste moves
Hi Ghaly. The next time you need to rename an article, please be sure to use the page move function rather than cutting-and-pasting content from one article to another. If the target title in not available (usually because it has more than just a redirect in its history), you can request an administrator's help at Requested moves. For legal and organizational reasons, we are required to keep track of each editor's contributions, and when you paste-in content that other people wrote without giving them attribution, it gives the appearance that you created that content yourself.

If you have any questions, please let me know. Also if know of any other cut-and-paste moves, either your own or someone else's, let me know and I will try to fix it. I didn't look very hard, but the only one of yours that I saw was Coptic Orthodox Church, which is now repaired.

Thanks for all your hard work on the project. Best regards ×Meegs 19:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Greetings Fellow Copt!!!
Hello, Ghaly.

I have noticed that you have made several edits on Coptic-related articles. Kudos to you : )!!!

I have looked into your work — a fine job indeed. I'm looking forward to working on any articles with you, as I'm a big fan of Coptic history — being an Orthodox Copt myself. Once again, nice job.

I'd like you to send me a message if you want any help with verifying article details.

Regards,
 * ~ Troy 00:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your message and comments, please feel free to add or change anything you would like , I understand that this is a collaborative effort on wikipedia and I will be very grateful for any help --Ghaly 17:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Edits to Pope (disambiguation)
Some interesting material was recently added by Ghaly concerning the history and acceptance of the title as applied to a particular office of the Orthodox; however as can be seen in, eg, Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria, delving into the old and conflicting claims regarding the succession to the Episcopate of Alexandria seems to serve more to ambiguate than to disambiguate. This material is perhaps better at Patriarch of Alexandria? Please comment, wiser heads. User:scbomber 09:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your message regarding the above, I believe the material I added was relevant to Pope (disambiguation) as it explains the origin of the title and I think it can be added to Patriarch of Alexandria as well as it is relevant to that page too

I am aware that the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria and Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria both claim the title, but this is not relevant to the informations mentioned as both churches claim it based on same sources --Ghaly 17:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Continuing this discussion, I should have been clearer in what I was pointing out. Disambiguation pages generally all take a similar form, based on the Manual of Style. They are not even really considered articles themselves, but a sort of signpost to direct people to the relevant content articles. I believe the new material does not serve that purpose in its present form. I also have concerns about neutral point of view with the prescriptive value judgments that appear to be implied by statements such as "Abba is the most powerful designation, that for all Monks in the East to volanterily follow his spiritual authority, it should be assumed he was a bearer of Christ." I'm asking (linked) WikiProject Religion folks to look in here and give their ideas. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~). Thanks! User:scbomber 10:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC) (category:Christian articles requiring attention)


 * Please feel free to do the edits that you think is needed and I will try to do my edits according to Manual of Style as you mentioned, many thanks --Ghaly 17:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for template comment
Hello, Ghaly. I just wanted to know what your opinion is on this template. It would be nice to have any input on it.

Thanks,
 * ~ Troy 18:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighted material
Hello Ghaly! Thank you for all your contributions to Coptic-related articles; your efforts are very much appreciated. I noticed that much of the material added recently is directly copied from the sites to which they are attributed. Almost all material on the web is copyrighted, and as such we cannot use it on Wikipedia unless it has been explicitly released into the public domain. Ths is true of Eternal Egypt, Tour Egypt, the Catholic Encyclopedia, etc., even if you reference the sites. For example, see how this edit fails the Google test:. Unfortunately, we are going to have to remove these copyright vios, but we can still replace them with prose that's not copied directly. To avoid this in the future, simply summarize *in your own words* the information that you found in a given source and provide the citation. Please let me know if you have questions. All the best, — Zerida 01:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ...ah yes, the old copyright issues...I ran into image copyright issues a couple of times. As for text, that can be more easily solved. For future reference, you can change it into your own words and cite all of the respective sources. Take a look at this. In short, try to paraphrase when you can. Hopefully you can do better in the future (your work on Coptic articles is quite vast).


 * Good luck,


 * ~ Troy 01:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Troy, I just noticed some copyright infringement on Saint Mary Church (Harat Zewila) as well from the Jimmy Dunn article. Unless we have written permission from Tour Egypt, we can't really incorporate the text as you the note you left under references indicates. Would mind fixing that also? Great work otherwise by the way. Thanks, — Zerida 06:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

St. Mary Church ("Rmans ally")
Hi again.

Anyway, on the Seat of the Coptic Orthodox Pope of Alexandria, it links you to "Saint Mary Church (Rmans ally)".

1. What Church is this? I think you mean "Romans ally."

2. Also, I believe you are thinking of the Coptic Orthodox of Saint Mary Church (Babylon Al-Darag). Is this true?

3. Lastly, I have noticed that you have worked on minor changes to my little development of the Church of the Holy Virgin in Babylon Al-Darag. Feel free to work some more on it, as it does need a lot of work. (BTW, you should remember that it's on User:Troy 07/Sandbox.)

PS: Pope Shenouda III will raise a Deacon to the Priestly rank in Cedar Grove, New Jersey at 7:00 AM EST time (Sept. 1). Of course Wales is quite far from there, but it's nice to know! (I'm in western Canada, so I'm not nearby either). You can learn more at http://www.saintmark.com.

I am awaiting your response (in due time).

Yours truly,
 * ~ Troy 01:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi sorry for that, you are correct it is Saint Mary Church (Romans ally) and if you look at مقر بابا الإسكندرية you will find it written كنيسة السيدة العذراء حارة الروم - الغورية - قسم الدرب الأحمر   I will try to sort it out at some stage Thanks a lot --Ghaly 10:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Church of the Holy Virgin in Babylon Al-Darag
I require help for developing the article for this Church (located in Coptic Cairo). You can do so by editing my sandbox at User:Troy 07/Sandbox (the page which currently holds my little project). I have contacted all of the other Coptic Wikipedians I know of for help. Please remember that copyright infringement will have to be reduced, as I have got the information from an article. I have typed a hidden message mentioning that and other things worth mentioning.

This is a list of all the Coptic Wikipedians that I know of (including myself):


 * User:Afanous
 * User:Danielsamwel
 * User:Ghaly
 * User:Lanternix
 * User:MikeSMorgan
 * User:Moheb
 * User:Ms408
 * User:Orthopraxia
 * User:Troy 07
 * User:Zerida

Thank-you for your participation.
 * ~ Troy 18:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

As the page is still not on the mainspace I started a sub at Saint Mary Church (Babylon Al-Darag) ; feel free to edit, change , or redirect --Ghaly 18:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Many thanks for letting me know this, May I suggest information from Holy family in Egypt for DYK section? --Ghaly 18:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Copts ARE NOT Arab Christians!!!
I need your input. It seems that the fact that I (and Lanternix) can't convince some people who are possibly more lacking on the details of how Copts view their ethnicity. I have said it time and time again: Copts are not to be labelled as Arabs!!!

...I know that this all seems silly, but your input will be greatly appreciated (as you could help in finding sources, pointing things out; etc...).

You can post edits on this issue at the following link: Talk:Arab_Christians.

Thank-you,
 * ~ Troy 00:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

MATTA EL-MESKEEN
This article (Matta El Meskeen) wrongfully states that he was not at any point excommunicated by His Holiness Pope Cyril VI. HOW CAN YOU DENY WHAT HH Pope Shenouda III wrote??? It says it all on P. 6 of this link (English El-Keraza). He (Papa Shenouda) has severely warned anyone of what Matta el-Meskeen taught — Pope Shenouda even wrote 6 BOOKS countering Matta el-Meskeen's opinion on the church beliefs.

I'm not going against you, but you CANNOT DENY what HH Pope Shenouda wrote.

I believe that this is one of the most important sources you'll when it comes to the opinion of Pope Shenouda on Matta's teachings.

I am contacting others on the issue.

Thanks,
 * ~ Troy 17:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

If I may say, unless I am mistaken, I only edited twice on Matta El Meskeen's article , (they were both on 21 Jauary 2007) and it was to add the information stating that he was the spiritual guide of the Coptic historian Iris Habib Elmasry. [| You can check that by pressing here.]

This means that I am not the one who added the information regarding excommunication that you are mentioning. Hope this will clarify matters. --Ghaly 17:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That is correct, as I see it. However, this can only mean one thing: this article from the beginning seems to show Fr. Matta as one who was totally accepted by Coptic Popes. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. I have quotes from Matta el Meskeen where he basically insults the way Pope Shenouda handles church matters. These quotes even supported Anwar Sadet. I'll let you see them in a moment. Thanks for clarifying your position. ~ Troy 17:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I've got the quotes. They are from this historic article. I hope this can shed some light onto the issue.

I can't say I'm happy, but I am at peace now. Every morning I was expecting news of more bloody collisions. Sadat's actions protect the church and the Copts. They are from God.

...he later states:

Shenouda's appointment was the beginning of the trouble. The mind replaced inspiration, and planning replaced prayer. For the first years I prayed for him, but I see the church is going from bad to worse because of his behavior.

This looks to be FAR too politically influenced, but that is what happens when politicians mess with Church affairs.

...But the worst part is, he (Matta) said: "For the first years I prayed for him, but I see the church is going from bad to worse because of his behavior."

To that, I have the following response:

1. Pope Shenouda's "behaviour" was nothing of the sort. If anyone dares to insult his "behaviour," then they're the ones who have bad "behavior."

2. EVEN IF Pope Shenouda's "behaviour" was not positive (which is entirely untrue), does that mean that you should stop praying for him??? Never, for that is the largest reason why you would pray for anyone.

So, I have proper evidence that this article needs some real help. It would be good if you can take part in that.

Thanks,
 * ~ Troy 18:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello there. I think I need major help from you on this article, Matta El Meskeen. Please respond soon if you can. Bye, ~ Troy 20:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Please see this page. As you have done a lot of editing on this article, I think you should also have a say to let others know about what you think. ~ Troy 23:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Books
Sorry, did I say 6 books? I MEANT 8!!! Anyway, HH the Pope did write 8 books as a counterpoint to Fr. Matta's presumably incorrect teachings.

By the way, I will in fact be a bit busier for the next little while, so if you could help out with the article Matta El Meskeen, then that would be great... If you can't, then let me know. Thanks, ~ Troy 00:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Age Related Hearing Impairment
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Pentapolis (North Africa)
The article "Pentapolis" is a verbatim copy of most sections of the "Cyrenaica" article, and provides no new or specific information on the Pentapolis itself. As such, it is redundant. If no objection is noted or significant material added to the Pentapolis page, I'll turn it into a redirect page. Cplakidas 23:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Including the information you mentioned is important to explain relationship between Pentapolis (North Africa) and Cyrenaic.
 * I think that Pentapolis (North Africa) has information about a part of Cyrenaica and these are not included in the article Cyrenaica

The article Pentapolis (North Africa)  is being developed to include information about the history of the Eparchy as part of both the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Greek Orthodox Church.


 * I have done the redirect to requested--Ghaly 20:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK refresh clock
May I ask why you updated the DYK refresh clock?--Carabinieri 00:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I updated the clock as I thought it was due for refresh --Ghaly 20:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The clock is used for tracking when it is time to update Template:Did you know and is supposed to be reset immediately after an update is performed. Unless you are also updating the template (a task that requires administrator rights to perform), it is best not to reset the clock as it can hide the fact that the template has not been updated. --Allen3 talk 00:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Catechetical School of Alexandria
Hi again! I'm back. So, after I was away, I started working on Category:Deans of the Catechetical School of Alexandria. Can you please help by giving all of them you know? You can start by putting them in that category. After that, we can put in succession boxes in the articles of those who were/are in office.

By the way, I prefer to use the title "Dean of the Catechetical School of Alexandria" over "manager of the Catechetical School of Alexandria". Nice work, though!

Awaiting your response,
 * ~ Troy 19:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Cut-and-past moves (again)
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that recently you carried out a copy and paste page move. Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. I see this is not the first time you have been asked to avoid this type of move; please be more careful in the future. Russ (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Both articles were started by me and I am the main contributor in each of them, I moved text that I have already wrote , you ca check that yourself , these moves were to get the name with capital letters as it is a name of an institution

As for the Coptic Orthodox Church page that was corrected by me in a few minutes after it happened and I did that before your first message. many thanks .--Ghaly (talk) 17:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope it was clear that my message was not about moving the page to a better title (which was a good idea), but about how you moved it. Every page has a "Move" link, either at the top or in the "Views" section, depending on how you are viewing the page. You should use that when you find a page that needs a better title. --Russ (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Point taken, thanks --Ghaly 08:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

My Sandbox
If you could help with working on my sandbox now, that would be great. Currently, I'm working on the Coptic Churches in Africa (excluding Egypt/Coptic architecture in Egypt, Ethiopia/Ethiopian Orhtodox, and Eritrea/Eritrean Orthodox). The links to the directory are:


 * Wikipedia article on the Church in Africa
 * Coptic Mission Churches
 * Coptic Mission Churches — in depth (PDF file)
 * Article on Coptic Orthodox Churches in South Africa
 * Online Book by Bishop Markos — see Page 188 (on the PDF document) for information

Thanks for everything,
 * ~ Troy (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Iris Habib Elmasry
In this edit you say that she "went to the London Gallery to obtain further materials and documents". Do you know which Gallery the sentence refers to? Is it the National Gallery, London? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

In this reference zoominfo it only says Between 1952 and 1954 she pursued her research at Dropsie College, Philadelphia, and in 1955, she went to the London Gallery to obtain further materials and documents.

As you said it might be National Gallery, London

Many thanks

--Ghaly (talk) 23:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sakakini
Dear Ghaly, you did a great job making an article about Azbakeya. A senior professor here was born in Sakakini, but we cannot find an article about this neighborhood of the Daher area of Cairo. Can you make one? (Also, do we need a Daher article?) Badagnani (talk) 04:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, he says that Rod El Farag is missing. Badagnani (talk) 04:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing: "Haram" is included in the template, but redirects to "Cairo." Is this an actual place? Badagnani (talk) 04:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message, I will try to start the articles you asked for and I will try to look for supporting references for them , best wishes--Ghaly (talk) 08:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You are great. The professor is Halim El-Dabh and he has a number of Coptic relatives in England. Badagnani (talk) 08:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

He was born on the "Street of the Beautiful," Sharia El Gameel. He described it as being in the "oldest section of Cairo." He had earlier told me he was born in Azbakia, but today maintained that this street was in Sakakini. Can you verify, possibly through consulting a Cairo map or doing an Arabic Internet search, that this street is located in the Sakakini neighborhood? Badagnani (talk) 09:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the category, please be aware that he is not a churchgoing, devoutly religious Coptic Christian (although that is his cultural background). Nevertheless, he is a very spiritual person and respects all religions. Badagnani (talk) 09:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Elgameel street is in ElDaher area I know that because I lived in Cairo for a long time,but boundries between Daher and Sakakini changed over the year, the category is an ethnic more than a religious group thank--Ghaly (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

He said he was sure it was Sakakini (near Daher) at the time he was born. I don't think the street name should be included in the article header, though it could be in the article's text if you feel it's important enough. Badagnani (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Rod El Farag also spelt Rod Elfarag is about a third of the area historically known as Shobra, would you like it as a separate district in the template or as I have put it? , I might not be able to finish all what you asked for today , would that be OK?--Ghaly (talk) 09:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

There are different ways to do templates; some of them have groupings and some are alphabetical. Whichever way this template "evolves" is fine; it's just that some of the areas are cultural areas, some are within others, etc. So alphabetical might be the way to to--or the parenthetical way you suggest. As long as we continuously improve, it will be fine. Nice to meet you and proceed at your own pace, as always. It's just exciting to see such improvement. 24.29.228.33 (talk) 10:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have started the articles you asked for, Good luck--Ghaly (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; I've left a message at WikiProject Egypt about the many neighborhood articles in the box that redirect to Cairo. I think they each need their own article. Badagnani (talk) 23:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yusef Greiss
Maybe he was Coptic. Badagnani (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

How wonderful, thank you for this kindness. If you can find things in Arabic on the Internet about Greiss if he was Coptic, go ahead and add more about him. Badagnani (talk) 23:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)