User talk:Gheghji

/* Religion in Bangladesh Discussion */ new section
Hi, firstly, I must let u know that I am very new to wiki editing, still learning. As per EDIT of mine you deleted, I have some objections:

1- The paragraph heading "Atheism" is itself ambiguous and objectionable, since there are more ideologies/views/doctrines that are related to "NON-RELIGION" or against "Organized Religions". There are agnostics, deists, apatheists etc, which are also against "RELIGION" (not necessarily against Deity). These figures are unweighted for sampling. Plz do note that "religion", "non-religion" and "atheism" is not the same thing but the page is only about "religion in Bangladesh" (mainly Organized Religions).

2- The "Atheism" paragraph gives two references for "convinced Atheists", as I already said, this is not a topic for "black and white thinking", there is grey area. A "convinced atheist" and "not believing god" is not the same thing. Interestingly, you will find the reflection of my statement from the very source of Gallup here where it says 99% of Bangladeshis believe in God but 97% believe in heaven, which means 3% don't believe in heaven but they do believe in God, now you get the catch here? but as we all know in any organized religion, believing in heaven and hell is the core part of faith, if u don't believe either one, you are not a believer.

3- This is the MOST OBJECTIONABLE PART. Two references are given from Gallup International, which is noway academic or trustworthy. Firstly it suffers from "SAMPLING BIAS" as I said earlier, they only choose "convinced atheists" and a large set of believers. Secondly, their sampling amount was ONLY 1000 (men and women) in the country of more than 140 million (in 2014). The poll was carried out in December 2014 but fieldwork was done by a Bangladeshi company- SRG Bangladesh Limited. Gallup International is not that trustable either, as Poll analyst Nate Silver found that Gallup's results were the least accurate of the 23 major polling firms Silver analyzed, having the highest incorrect average of being 7.2 points away from the final result (in a specific poll)

4- There is another wiki page (List of countries by irreligion) where there are different sources for comparison, where somebody says, "Keysar et al. have advised caution with WIN/Gallup International figures since more extensive surveys which have used the same wording for decades and have bigger sample sizes, have consistently reached lower figures than the numbers in the table below"

NOW WHAT TO DO?

As I already mentioned the problem with the definition of believers, non-religion believers and atheism. There is NOWAY we can include such data (number of atheists). Rather the most logical thing to mention is why we cant get accurate data in this regard. That's why I highly recommend including an explanation for this as follows:

"This is the most difficult data to acquire, especially for a Muslim dominated countries because the punishment for apostasy is "death" in Islam. Moreover, Bangladesh is the only country in the world where several people (esp. bloggers) have been killed for speaking against religion. Therefore, atheist/agnostics etc. don't dare to expose themselves, nor does the government make any formal effort/step to include them in the population census and/or publish it in public. Hence, almost all the atheist/agnostics etc. are formally identified by their "Faith-by-Birth" in their national ID card/passport/birth certificate/any credentials by government. As a result, its difficult in Bangladesh to understand an apparent believer's real faith/view/ideology/dogma etc. by mere government documents or population census alone."

Non sequitur: The govt. field worker for the population census FORCE PEOPLE to fill in a name of the religion, they don't allow to put down "Atheist/Agnostic/Deist or the like" in the field of religious view. Many non-believers/non-religous suffered these in the last census. A few days ago, a guy filled in the passport form as being atheist but later the authority changed it back to "Muslim" by the resemblance to his Muslim name, without his permission. This is the problem with Muslim dominated developing countries. Have you EVER found any BD govt. document (NID, PASSPORT, CERTIFICATES etc) where "atheism, deism etc" is written as religious views?

Bengalaroz (talk) 08:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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