User talk:Ghirlandajo/Summer 2005

Russian Symbolist movement
Just a note of thanks for your recent edits at Symbolism (arts) and for the Vrubel image as well. Someone does need to do the article about the Russian Symbolist movement; it probably would help a whole lot if the person who created it read Russian. -- Smerdis of Tlön 15:19, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you most kindly. Will have a look.  Smerdis of Tlön 04:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pic of the day


Hi Ghirlandajo,

Just to let you know that your Prokudin-Gorskii picture, Image:Lugano prokudin.jpg, is up for Pic of the Day on the 6th March. You can check and improve the caption at Picture of the day/March 6, 2005. -- Solipsist 10:03, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Russian Foreign Ministers
Hi Ghirlandajo! Could you please add all of the names of the Russian foreign ministers to your Russian Foreign Ministers template? I'm not sure how to do it. It somehow starts with Ordyn-Naschekin and ommits all of the ministers precedeing him. Or is it on purpose? Thank you! KNewman 18:53, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Just a little more patience
Hi, Ghirlandajo! I am very glad to see you back and very much appreciate your knowledgeable editing over the articles I created/worked on previously as well as over all articles. May I ask you to please be more patient, except of course, when you simply add more info to the article, as you did very well with St. Andrew's Church. For example, I spent some time looking for the info on children of Svyatoslav II and I was kind of sorry to see this just blanked. If you think I made a mistake on who their mother was, sure correct it. Same with Ivan Fyodorov. I didn't erase your version about "annihilation" but raised the objection first, because I agree that there is indeed a controversy going in Lvov regarding the issue. I am sure all the differences can be resolved at relevant article's talk pages. I am just asking you to change what you see as mistakes with little more patience. If we just stick to facts, we will be able to defend the info from being manipulated by all sorts of nationalist, -philes, -phobes, imperialists and (insert any other cliche here).

Some time ago I tried to move forward the History of Christianity in Ukraine article as well as the articles of several Ukrainian churches. I kind of lost the steam but I would appreciate any input there.

Finally, the Ukrainian Wikiportal put together by several users is almost ready to be released. I made a draft based on Wikiportal/Russia which I helped maintain to a very small degree. Now, improved by several coworkers it is still at my userspace at User:Irpen/uawp and we plan to soon move it to Wikiportal/Ukraine and link to it prominently in several major UA-related articles like Ukraine, Ukrainian language, etc. If you want to take a look at it and propose changes at its talk pages, or just do them if you don't expect opposition, your help would be most appreciated. Thank you, -Irpen 19:59, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Recent Polish names campaign
Hi, Ghirlandajo! Thanks for your support at talk:Minsk page. I hope the stories with name insertion like the recent ones with Kiev and Minsk articles won't be too common. There are many reasonable people among the Polish editors, although some certainly have issues with sensitive national pride. On my own, I recently compiled the discussions from several talk pages regarding the Kijow in Kiev article and placed the compilation in my userspace. If you want, take a look at it at User talk:Irpen/Kijów in Kiev article. Finally, if this is going to start over, I don't think placing "Varshava" in the Warsaw article and "Belostok" into Bialystok would help. That's exactly a WP:Point position took by several editors that disrupted the Kiev article for the day. Stchastlivo, -Irpen 06:10, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Pictures needed
Hi there, Ghirlandajo! I thought you left us for some reason. Haven't seen you in a while. Good to have you back. I don't know if you check Wikiportal/Russia on a regular basis or not, but I would really appreciate it if you could find and upload some nice pictures of different Russian monasteries. I posted two articles about monasteries under the "Requested images" section. You did a wonderful job on finding images for other monasteries, so I figured you could help us out here. Check the Russian Wikiportal more often! I look forward to working with you on other articles, as well. Cheers! KNewman 12:42, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Images
I see you are doing art articles, with plenty of pics. I'd suggest you to put images into wikicommons, where they can be accessible from other-language wikipedias as well. mikka (t) 23:22, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ghirlandajo, what is wrong with a frame and an description for Marr. I understand it is silly, but why revert it? with respect, Vald 11:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

French translation
Why not for a translation of Vladimir, but it is already done ... :fr:Vladimir. Anyway, I am trying to do a new article about a World Heritage site every day (original - like DR Congo or Belgium- or a de/en/nl/ translation), and I will probably translate some other russian ones...

Kind regards,

Vincent

Nikolay Nikanorovich Dubovskoy
Thanks for tracking down the Imperial Academy of Arts. I knew there should be an article but couldn't find it. Now I hope I'll find the other articles that needed the link as well. Rl 09:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great Russian language
Hi Ghirlandajo! I would like to repeat all my compliments for the fine work you do on WP. I was really caught off guard by your calling my edit Russophobic, especially because other editors called other edits by me as of the Russian Imperialist. In fact, I think that any nationalism or national phobias are all bad. Please see my entry at talk:Great Russian language and respond there if you would like. I would really like to stay in friendly terms with editors whose work I respect and who contribute to topics in which I am also interested. Regards, -Irpen June 28, 2005 21:27 (UTC)

Nordmann Fir
Hi Ghirlandajo - I've changed the height of these from 85m to 78m as that is the tallest I can find reference to. Still the tallest tree in Europe by about 15m, if correct. Do you have any details of the 85m report, particularly with documentation of measurement methods? A lot of tall tree measurements are unfortunately very unreliable, unless done with high precision laser equipment with several measurements taken from different angles. - MPF 1 July 2005 10:56 (UTC)
 * The UNESCO experts state that "the forests include very large specimens, including possibly the largest trees in Europe: specimens of Abies nordmanniana 85m high with a diameter of more than 2m" . See the list of literature at the top of the page. If you don't mind, I'll restore the original phrasing in the article on Western Caucasus. --Ghirlandajo 1 July 2005 11:13 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'm happy to let the 85m stay on the basis of that reference, though it would be nice to get more verification including the methods of measurement. - MPF 1 July 2005 14:03 (UTC)
 * An ooops! - the pic you have added at Western Caucasus is an American Bison! - I'll change it - MPF 1 July 2005 14:05 (UTC)

Curonian Spit
Hi, why have you removed the Category:Geography of Lithuania Category:Notable places in Lithuania categories from Curonian Spit article ? --Lysy (talk) 3 July 2005 16:23 (UTC)

Good News!
There is now a stub template for Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related articles in need of expansion. Please add to articles. You can also go to the Category page for Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related stubs and click the "watch this page" link in the sidebar, so that you can see new stub articles as they appear. Spread the word! JHCC (talk) 6 July 2005 14:57 (UTC)

A must
Hello, Ghirlandajo! First of all, let me thank you for your award! It actually means a lot to me, even though this whole barnstar business may seem a bit childish to some people :). It'll keep me going! Secondly, I wanted to write an article on Cerkov' Pokrova na Nerli, but I'm not sure what it's called in English. Do you have any idea? I hope you can help me out with it. Pictures will be of extreme importance, since this church is considered one of the most wonderful examples of the Russian architecture. What are you working on right now and what do you plan to write in the near future? KNewman July 8, 2005 23:32 (UTC)

Dmitry Konstantinovich
Thank you so much for your edits, I find them magnificientGnomz007 18:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

World Heritage Sites
I can't add to your excellent material on the Radziwill nest etc., but you inspire me to note that a program to ensure decent Wikipedia coverage of all 812 (not really so many) World Heritage Sites would make a good project for the grown-ups. --Wetman 04:07, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Amber Room
See Talk:Amber Room. Have you actually read their book? Noel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Leaving for good?
Hey, Ghirlandajo! Why do you want to leave for good? High-speed internet connection got too expensive in Yaroslavl? Please, drop me a line. KNewman 21:23, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite several disagreements we had on specific issues, I would hate so see you go. I understand the time constraints factor though. I hope you sill still be around as an occasional editor (the mode to which I switch myself often) and will contribute from time to time and correct the mistakes of others. Cheers, --Irpen 20:12, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Irpen. Just make sure you check it out every now and then. Usually, people leave this place only as a result of some revert wars and not because they simply don't have time :). It may be sad, but it is true that a wikifan can always find time for Wikipedia, you know that :). Just choose the right dosage, and you will be fine. See you soon. KNewman 21:40, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

1877 war
I've put the pucture there because the source was a russian site, because it is part of history, and because the article regarding romanian independence war will be soon be deleted, i can't merge the articles because i don't know how. But if you wish to delete the picture, think again, is your poin of view objective? For people from the balkans russian liberation is equivalent with occupation. I would not put again the picture on the article, it is up to you if you let the picture there or not,was the romanian troops importance signifiant or not? There was a calling for help from russian side. It is fair not to mention that help? It is up to you to decide.

But to edit the article was an interesting task, I've realized how extremist some people are.. After hard fights, Plevna was conquered, romanians struggled also in Vidin - Belogradcik zone.
 * The looses or romanian army were: over 10,000 deads and wounds
 * Haveing great looses, the Great Duke Nicolae, the commandant of the front from Balkani, sent to prince Carol the following telegramme: "The turks, useing the greatest troop at Plevna distried us. I bag you to make fusion with us, make demonstration, and if it is possible, pass the Danube with your army, as you will. Between Jiu and Corabia, this demonstration is absolutely necessary to enable my movements".
 * Although it didn`t exist a military convention between the two states, Romania accorded military help. The romanians passed the Danube and the Prince Carol the 1st received the command of romanian -russian troops at Plevna.

http://erastimes.8m.net/gambit_page3.htm

Belsky --> Volsky
Hi there, Ghirlandajo! I checked with the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, and it somehow says it was F.M.Volsky in the Kineshma article. Check it out for yourself. Could it be that they are wrong? Cheers. KNewman 17:00, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Kazan Kremlin news
Zdravstvujte! Vy obnovili tol'ko chto `etu stranicu. No "On the feast day of the..." ne ukazyvet ni na kakuyu konkretnuyu datu. Raz uzh vy napisali i ob `etom sobytii, ne mogli by vy v toj zhe stepeni podrobno napisat' i ob oficial'nom otkrytii mecheti Kul SHarif, kotoroe proizoshlo neskol'kimi nedelyami ran'she i yavlyaetsya stol' zhe vazhnym sobytiem v duhovnoj zhizni goroda (hotya, pohozhe ne vsej strany vcelom) :) --Untifler 13:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Ksnyatin
Hi there, Ghirlandajo! I'm a bit confused. Is it Ksnyatin, or Sknyatin, or Sknyatino, or Ksnyatino? Your article is named Ksnyatin, but deals with Sknyatino in it. Were there two names for the town? KNewman 14:09, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Primary Chronicle
I was really surprised by your unmotivated edit at Olga of Kiev. I suggest that you check with the primary chronicle before making such edits.--Wiglaf 21:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:Vikings-Voyages.png
''Haven't you noticed that Staraya Ladoga is misspelled on the map? Also, I believe that Kiev should be spelled Kaenugard, and Novgorod - Holmsgard, as per Garðaríki article. --Ghirlandajo 09:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)''


 * Yes, I have, but I did not make the original map. If you can fix the problems, go ahead.--Wiglaf 09:43, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Tnx for the image!
For ! I was looking for this image since the day I wrote this article, but I lost the newspaper with the picture data :> It's great to have some non-Polish side pic there. I recently saw another one, but again I lost the newspaper before I wrote down the details - it was sth like 'the last minutes (?) of Tsar Dimitri'. Perhaps you can find it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes :) Tnx :) If you know of any other pictures we could use for Polish-Russian history articles, do let me know, or just add them where possible. I always say good history is a well-illustrated history :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:Sochi_edited.jpg


How can this image be from 1915 if it's in a (beautiful) full color ? Did you colorized it? And if it's not from 1915 are we sure it's public domain? --Alexandre Van de Sande 23:07, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * See Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii and the corresponding gallery in Commons for more information. The image that caught your eye is the second Prokudin-Gorskii's image uploaded by me which came to be recognized as featured picture. Prokudin's images are public domain from the Library of Congress website: see here for this one. The date is fixed arbitrarily, as the photos were actually taken in the period from 1905 to 1915. --Ghirlandajo 06:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Slavic cultural differences
How would you descirbe cultural differences between Slavs, and influence of Mongol culture on some groups in order not ? I don't think that the Mongol control did influence in some ways some Slavic nations is disputed among historians.That is why I provided link to review of such study.I don't want to offend anybody but absolutism, "oriental despotism" are and influence of Mongol culture on this are issues researched  by historians. Good day to you and I am waiting for answer.--Molobo 15:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Stirlitz
Hello, perhaps you could explain to me why the name spells both Stirlitz and von Stierlitz? I also noticed, that you changed Standartenführer to link back to Colonel, was it intentional? Thanks for your answers. -- pt 14:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

coor template
you apparently think the link looks unsightly, and I'd be happy to stuff it under external links; I do think, however, that any article about an item with a geographic location should ultimately get a machine readable encoding of its coordinates. This ties in with Semantic Wikipedia, and will ultimately allow to sort Wikipedia articles geographically, search for Wikipedia articles near your present location, that sort of thing. dab (ᛏ) 19:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Minusa River
incidentially, since you're Russian, could you help us with the "Minusa River" case? See User_talk:FourthAve. dab (ᛏ) 19:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing a sneaky POV insertion at Baturyn
Hi, Ghirlandajo. Sorry, I just missed what others did before your edit there and initially I thought you were removing my numbers that were actually well sourced. I did a fast-hand restore without realizing that I was restoring to the false numbers inserted just before that.

Berdiansk
I am glad we agreed at talk:Berdiansk. I would be interested to know what you think about my proposal at talk:Kamianets-Podilskyi about the sick trend of games with the names.

Also, you may want to take a look at correct this.

Regards, --Irpen Irpen 05:12, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Amber room (again)
Hi, you still haven't replied (at Talk:Amber Room). I got my copy of the book back, and added information about the authors, and a direct quote of their conclusions, to the talk: page. I have also added information from a number of reviews of the book. Unless you can show me some good reason not to mention their conclusions in the article, I'm going to put back that text you took out. Noel (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Borodino
Can you respond at Talk:Battle of Borodino? The claim you are trying to reinsert is almost certainly false, as I explained in my comments on the talk page. Gdr 15:12:17, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Juraj Krizanic
Thanks for the article. I was planning to create it at some time in the future. Pavel Vozenilek 23:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Recent Kaliningrad Oblast edits
Hello! There have been a number of recent extensive edits to the Kaliningrad Oblast article. The additions look to be in good faith, but I am not terribly familiar with the great amount of Lithuanian history presented now. I also am not sure if that article is the proper place for that content. You might be interested in taking a look at it. Olessi 21:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I am glad we also agreed on some things. Poka! --Irpen 23:18, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Gytha of Wessex
See my comments on the Talk page at Gytha of Wessex where I present my evidence for the birthdates of her children. They are not based on pure speculation; there is good reason to believe Izyaslav was born 1077/1078, for instance. Missi

RU/UA/PL related issues
Hi, thanks for bringing up and working on Koleda. The coordinated action was swifted and decisive. On a different topic, you complained that Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth created by Piotrus is pro-Polish biased. Actually, I already added some alternative views to the article before announcing it. Is it really that bad? Anyway, you're welcome to neutralize it. And while at it, check a closely related discussion at talk:History of Kiev. --Irpen 18:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Zilant
Privet! Stat'ya gotova, no k sozhaleniyu napisana na uzhasnom anglijskom... CHast' russkogo teksta lezhit v obsuzhdenii stat'i. Trebuetsya pomosch' znayuschih anglijskij! --Untifler 12:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Koe chto bylo uteryano pri pereformatirovanii: naprimer transkripcii nekotoryh nazvanij. Uteryana takzhe informaciya o "Zilantau" (naibolee veroyatno, chto imenno cherez `etot toponim v russkij i proniklo slovo "ZilaNT"). Hotelos' by takzhe korrektno napisat' na pin'jine slovo CHzhelyan - imenno tak u Gumileva pishetsya nazvanie doliny na Altae. O eio suschestvovanii emu stalo izvestno iz kitajskih istochnikov - bylo by neploho dobavit' ieroglify. Kstati, esli nekotoryh simvolov net v anglijskoj klaviature, tablica rasshirennoj latinicy lezhit pod knopkoj "Sohranit'" (`eto vazhno dlya peredachi nekotoryh zvukov). S uvazheniem, --Untifler 12:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

revert stuff on Early Swedish History
Hi. I encouraged Wiglaf to write on Talk:Early Swedish History instead of engaging in revert stuff. I hope you could take a look at that page too, and post your comments.

Fred-Chess 16:23, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Russian tsarinas
There are Elizabeth Alexeyevna (Louise of Baden), Alexandra Fyodorovna (Charlotte of Prussia), Maria Alexandrovna (Marie of Hesse) Arrigo 10:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * So what? --Ghirlandajo 10:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Have you proofread them? How about checking their correctness now? Arrigo 10:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

And linking interwiki to pages in Russian WP..Arrigo 10:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Btw, are you happy with how their articles are titled? Arrigo 10:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Heathens
the reason that Baltoslavic pagans are not mentioned is that until recently, the article was called Persecution of Asatruers, and there is an ongoing debate about the article's scope at Talk:Persecution of Heathens -- I suggest you weigh into that discussion before you start adding warning templates. dab (ᛏ) 14:52, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

By the way, feel free to add the articles Persecution of Romuva, Persecution of Dievturiba and whatever else may be needed. // Liftarn

Thanks!
Dear Ghirlandajo, your addition about the Haithabu connection reminded me that the House of Rurik and the House of Hedeby have something in common - both are said to be of Swedish origin. That is very relevant in the article! Good Job! :D--Wiglaf 15:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I corrected your new mistake by pointing out that there had been no "Sweden" and no "Swedish origin" prior to Haithabu. --Ghirlandajo 15:32, 31 August 2005 (UTC) [[Image:Stpeteskyline.jpg|thumb|400px|Example of [[photochrom]] I added to the article on St Pete]]


 * Thanks it is great to have a real authority on Scandinavian history like you.--Wiglaf 15:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I will not revert this time, but you should know that Adam of Bremen is not an authority on matters of mediaeval genealogy at all. I suspect that this long-discarded info comes from one of the much later scholias, which the reputable historians normally discredit. I will be back after checking this point. --Ghirlandajo 15:54, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Troitse-Sergiyeva Lavra on Wikicommons
I might be wrong about this image belonging to Kustodiev, but this image is certainly not a photo. I think it's quite obvious when you look at it, that it is a painting (whatever they say in the Library of congress). Also, on ru:wikipedia it has been attributed to Kustodiev (although I'm not sure about that). If you find out who is the author, please do put in the details, but meanwhile I'll get in touch with the person on ru:wikipedia and see what he says...--Dyadya S`em 20:21, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I explained that the image is actually photochrom retrieved from here. I have uploaded many similar images from 1890s on Moscow, Odessa, St Petersburg, etc. --Ghirlandajo 08:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Horosho :) --Dyadya sam 09:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

The Haithabu hypothesis
Briangotts wrote "I have read the haithabu hypothesis in very few publications, to describe it as consensus of W authorities is going too far". Don't try to blow up your favourite theory to majority view.--Wiglaf 09:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Fruit fetishism
I've rewritten fruit fetishism. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 19:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is alright now. I've withdrawn my nomination. --Ghirlandajo 06:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)