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Cultural relations between the English and Welsh.
Hi Ghmyrtle, thanks for your comments.

I have to say I was surprised at the tone and content of the criticism, I am a "rookie Wikipedian" and would appreciate some further explanation. Firstly you said "This is an encyclopedia, not a place to report what blogs say. We do not report what individual columnists say - even if they are notable themselves" there is no reference, links or citations of any blogs, Young's article was published in the Daily Telegraph, the entry I updated references other, similar broadsheet journalists (Rod Little, Roger Lewis) which only feature a single citation of the article itself.

You also add "unless the controversies they promote are themselves reported elsewhere - in reliable sources" I have read the reliable sources page you helpfully linked but I cannot see how my additions differ from others already within the entry. I have secondary Press Association published article which reference both Youngs original writing and the controversy it generated, would this not improve the additions, rather than simply deleting them?

I appreciate the emotive nature of this entry, and I tried to word my addition to avoid inflammatory language. I can see that where I referenced criticisms of Young within the articles comments section or Young's twitter account, it would be inappropriate, but there is no way to discuss the criticisms objectively without referencing them. As I said there are similar paragraphs on other journalists which simply mention criticism and do not cite any public domain criticism. Please can you explain if this is would be an acceptable rewrite.

Happy to discuss further Cymrogogoch (talk) 22:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Someone paid to be argumentative in print wrote about something that supposedly happened to him 13 years ago. That's trivial.  You then claimed that his comments "attracted criticism", and added your own commentary.  Sorry, but none of that is suitable for an encyclopedia.  If there are other similarly trivial or unsourced sections in the article, I'd support removing them as well.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * PS: I have seen the Wales Online piece - but again, I just don't think it's sufficiently notable to be worth mentioning, though I accept it's more of a borderline case.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Victor Wainwright
I know you are not around at the present, but when you do return, could you have a look at redefining the birth date for this modern day blues boy. I did find a Victor Lawton Wainwright, born February 4, 1981, in Savannah, Georgia which sort of fits, (now I can not find it again), but I could not get anything more definite. The musician claimed to be 33 years old in March this year. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you're right. This and this give his music publisher as Victor Lawton Wainwright Music.   There is a Victor L. Wainwright, born 4 Feb 1981, living on Melody Drive, Savannah, along with his (I assume) father, also Victor L. Wainwright, born 1956, and I have seen the younger one referred to as Victor L. Wainwright V, and Victor Lawton Wainwright Jr..  More corroboration here.  Also, no coincidence that the musician recorded a track called "Melody Drive".  So what you say is almost certainly accurate, but is it synthesis?      Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your excellent work. As you say, the various pieces of 'evidence' all point to the 'fact', but we are employing synthesis - also easier to spell than say.  I will leave the article as it stands - perhaps a more compelling, or single, reliable source will appear in due course.  Cheers,


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You're obviously in need of the appropriate protective footwear. And don't think that you can trump Jimbo in the High Court if you sue for damages! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries... I've bought my protection and am off to dine at the soiree on the bayou..   Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:24, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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Maindiff Court Hospital
Hi Ghmyrtle, I saw your addition of a reference to support the statement that Hess was referred to as the "Kaiser of Abergavenny", which I had recently questioned on the talk page of the article. I'd found that reference before (after a google search for "Kaiser of Abergavenny"). It was one of only four matches that I found (two of the others were on facebook and were direct links from Wikipedia). The fourth was a newspaper article (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Did-Nazi-stay-Bristol/story-19649318-detail/story.html - dated 13th August 2013) which uses the phrase "apparently dubbed". The article you referenced was published 25th May 2011 on suite.io - a website for authors to self-publish. The statement about Hess appeared on the wikipedia page sometime in 2012.

Self-published sources can be useful especially if the author demonstrates some expertise/knowledge in a field, but somehow I doubt this is the case with Tim Butters. You may want to take a look at https://suite.io/tim-butters to see samples of his self-published work. He's since had articles published on inquistr.com (see https://ping.it/en/Probes/Tim-Butters-Author for a list). I've no idea how much fact checking inquistr does, but the article on Hess does not appear to be one they've published.

I did have a look at the book Butters references (there is a pdf online somewhere) by David Irving (yes that one...), Hess, the Missing Years, Macmillan, 1987. and found no reference to the K of A. Butters also mentions an interview with Joe Clifford (one of Hess's guards) in 2009 - it's unclear if Butters is claiming to have interviewed Clifford. There is an interview with Clifford at http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/04/a8609204.shtml, but from 2006 - again no mention of the K of A. Irving's book does refer to interviews with Clifford. The other books Butters references do not appear to be available online.

Now, the statement may be true (but I still have my doubts...), but relying on one self-published source seems a bit weak. BTW I've checked through the local history records for Gwent at the University of Wales website. There doesn't seem to be any online records for the Abergavenny Chronicle for the period in question. Earlier versions - pre-1920s, and later - 2010 onwards - are available online.

I was going to leave the "citation needed" tag for a month or so, and then delete the statement. I'm not sure what to do now there is an (unreliable?) source. I'd appreciate your thoughts/comments. Robevans123 (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, your research has been more thorough than mine! My suggestion would be to add a  tag -  - to it, for a while (it's unlikely to be a heavily viewed article) - and if no-one comes forward with a better source after, say, six months, delete the sentence.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan! Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 21:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Ochs edit mystery
No worries - it happens to me from time to time and I never know how! Cheers Tvoz / talk 07:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Bizarre - I wasn't even trying to look at that article. Trying to edit on new tablet too early in the morning - not a good idea.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I once did it on Jimbo's talk page and I wasn't looking there either! Embarrassing. Tvoz / talk 07:31, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Your recent comments...
...on Dr Blofeld's and Jimbo's talk page. Couldn't agree more. I hate the term "silent majority" but can't help feeling in this case ... DeCausa (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I try and stay away from these arguments as much as I can, but sometimes I can't help myself...  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

England population density
What is nonsense? If the area of England is 130,395km² and the population is 65 million

130,395,000m² / 65,000,000 = 2.46m²

If this is all correct, we should be squashed in like sardines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londomollari42 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

This is not original research, it is simple calculation! Can you not prove me wrong with your own calculation though? Humour me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londomollari42 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * 130,395km² = 130,395,000,000m². HTH  Mr Stephen (talk) 22:59, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Quite so. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
Thank you! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi thanks for commenting on Waterhouse Report. Rookie Wikipedia user, and no doubt I've posted this in the wrong place too - if so apologies !!!!! However, I have an interest in the Bryn Alyn proceedings and await the sentencing of John Allen on 1 December 2014 with interest. My own opinion is that this conviction is purely the first 'apples' that fell from the tree, much is still to be found out about this tragic episode. Casperxavier — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casperxavier (talk • contribs) 14:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hat trick
Lynsey de Paul, Alvin Stardust, and now Jack Bruce. Rather like buses, they invariably come in threes. I trust you are well - well, better than those three obviously.

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Sidney Maiden
Could I prevail on you to take a peek at your US R&B chart book, and have a look for Sidney Maiden's "Eclipse of the Sun" in 1948 (Down Town label). It was on the flip side of K. C. Douglas Trio's "Mercury Boogie", which may have also been a hit ?

(If you are able to access it, there is my draft article for Maiden in my sandbox). Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Nope... neither Maiden nor Douglas made the chart. Great record though! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks - rather lengths the odds on his overall notability, but what the hell. Cheers,


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Just My Luck
There I was, putting together my 'Christmas wish list' and what arrives through t'internet but a Little Willy. I am pretty sure I never wished for that !

Joking aside, thanks Guy - I will have a go in due course. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If you have the time, could you take a look at the draft article here. I think my wording aimed to reduce any confusion, may actually do the opposite ! Feel free to knock any of it about a bit. (I went with Willy, rather than Willie, by following AllMusic and Wirz.de namings).  Cheers,


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Thank you for warm welcome
Hello Ghmyrtle,

Im sorry I couldn't respond sooner. Was moving continents.

Thank you very much for the useful info provided. You can probably see in my contributions box that I have been making my first attempts at this and may have managed to get the hang of it after discussions with seasoned editors and careful study of Wiki terms. I will make sure to study your support materials and please let me know if you find any of my contributions lacking in value or unintentionally breaking the code. It is my sincere effort to benefit the knowledge pool, not do any of the bad stuff that can be done to take away from it's value.

Feel free to say hello at any time and once again - thank you.

Now, where is that sign thing... DavidAdamsBOAZ (talk) 13:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Straw Poll
There is a straw poll that may interest you regarding the proper use of "Religion =" in infoboxes of atheists.

The straw poll is at Template talk:Infobox person.

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Look out .... Cliff!
As you take an interest in British BLPs, you might be interested in this discussion. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents
Ghmyrtle,

I removed your speculation on who this user might be. Yes, I looked at their contributions, and they're adding the same name in, or padding up that person's CV, just as you said they are, however, they never identify themselves as anyone, therefore, per WP:OUTING we can't speculate that it may be them. I agree with you, that yes, it's pretty likely, but then again, it could be someone else trying to make them look bad. Thanks KoshVorlon  Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 12:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Savile and Jaconelli
Re this edit: In modern Britain, decisions on whether to prosecute are taken by the Crown Prosecution Service after a file is passed to them by the police. Before the formation of the CPS in 1986, the police could decide whether or not to prosecute. This means that during the 1960s and 1970s, the decision to prosecute figures like Savile and Cyril Smith would have rested entirely with the police, something which would be controversial today. Anyway, it looks like there was some truth in the Private Eye cartoon.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Nadolig hapus
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Band notability
Hi, As you know I don't generally write about bands (or music in general), but there is a new(ish) band with local connections. I've made a start drafting an article at User:Rodw/sandbox but I'm not sure if they meet the Notability (music) requirements - any thoughts before I post it as I wouldn't want it deleted as not notable.&mdash; Rod talk 18:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)