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R. Dean Taylor
Hey Guy, can you please tell me why you think R. Dean Taylor should follow the D/M/Y date formats? The standard format in Canada is M/D/Y (though they do on the odd occasion use the D/M/Y). However, its only standard use in Quebec (because of the French influence). My general practice is to use M/D/Y for the U.S., Canada, Puerto Rico and Micronesia (and sometimes the Philippines where it is 50/50). Everywhere else is D/M/Y... but not Canada. (I use this Date format by country to aid me). Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't claim any particular knowledge, but have looked at MOS:DATETIES - "Articles related to Canada may use either format with (as always) consistency within each article." I was simply guided by the note that another editor had placed at the top of the page, which it seemed that you had missed.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Banners and headnotes can be wrong or outdated. From the article on date formats quoted above: "Canada: For English speakers, MDY (mmmm-dd-yyyy) (example: April 9, 2019) is usually preferred. This form is used by nearly all English-language publications and media company products as well as the majority of government documents written in English. For French and sometimes English speakers, DMY (dd-mmmm-yyyy) is used (example: 9 April 2019/le 9 avril 2019). This form is used in formal letters, academic papers, military, many media companies and some government documents, particularly in French-language ones." 90% of Canadian articles tend to use the U.S. format. The Quebec bios being the outliers. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 11:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing the point - I was just noting that your edit contravened the message at the top of the page, which was originally added here, in 2013, by ("a Wikipedian in Canada"), and renewed at least twice since then.  I'm not really very interested in whether that note was correct or not.  If you think it was incorrect, you should take it up elsewhere, not with me.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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The two Jimmy Johnson blues musicians
Hi, I replied to one of your comments at Talk:Jimmy Johnson (blues guitarist), and you might have something to add there, or at the James F. Johnson article I have just created. Adpete (talk) 03:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I must have thought that the "other" Jimmy Johnson was not sufficiently notable to be mentioned in a hatnote, but now that you've started the article on him I'll take another look. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Federalism in the UK
It is perfectly acceptable to remove unreferenced content and to include new referenced, relevant content. Your revert is completely uneccessary. I have asked for consensus on the article talk page as you suggested but I doubt there will be many replies. This is just wasting the time and effort I put in to improve the page. I understand your sentiment, but I suggest you analyse the edits I made before reverting the whole thing.Titus Gold (talk) 14:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Further discussion on the article talk page, please - not here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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fish n chips.
Thank you for defending the honour and accuracy of one of the few national dishes the UK can actually be proud of (well, I don’t have to make shepherds pie with grandmas brown gravy slop any more…)2A00:23C4:3E08:4000:952A:47D0:5A94:FDE9 (talk) 01:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC) 2A00:23C4:3E08:4000:952A:47D0:5A94:FDE9 (talk) 01:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Disrespectful remark
I am not happy with you describing an edit of mine as "a bit Putin-esque". I made that in good faith to attempt to improve compliance with WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, and I consider your remark to be unacceptable per WP:NPA. -- DeFacto (talk). 08:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

A great many users have problems with DeFacto. Proxima Centauri (talk) 09:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "He can power a nuclear reactor, With the left side of his brain" (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mrs Pender Chalmers
Bollocks to "Consistent with discussion on talk page" - do a proper RM proposal! Johnbod (talk) 20:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It seemed uncontentious - I was not aware it was likely to be in dispute. WP:RM - "If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page." I did just that.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Susie Dent
Don't change my corrections to incorrect data that is poorly annotated. Fact is I know the person in question, her birthday is 21 September (not November) and she is irreversibly separated from Paul Atkins. To state she has a spouse is INCORRECT also BlueprintX (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you need to raise any concerns over accuracy on the article talk page, not with me. Secondly, please recognise that content here is based on what "reliable sources" say, not on what people who claim personal knowledge say.  Thirdly, at all costs you must avoid edit-warring in favour of your preferred wording.  Thanks.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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"Philantropist" :-)
Thank you for your friendliness :-) :-) :-) I hope someone will come up with ideas about how to change such things, at least e.g. these chapter-headings ( "Philantropy" :-(((... Yeah, meanwhile, probably have to live with a lot of euphemistic or really absurd words ... ? Sorry to react so late and for maybe having re-edited before heaving read your message, I saw it only now. (Please feel very free!!! to remove this "spam" from your Talkpage, I just have, I think, no other way of answering as a non-registered user.) Have a nice day! 2A02:3030:80D:B019:1:0:F032:BCAB (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! Thanks for the revert. Here is what I based that edit on:

I will adhere to your judgment there and leave it as the version you reverted to, just showing you my rationale. Red Director (talk) 15:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to change your edit at all - it was an inadvertent and inexplicable muscle twitch!  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Tommy Godfrey
I’m very concerned that anything I post about my grandad is getting deleted ? I’ve tried to contact the person who deleted the information, but have been met with silence.Please could you help me with this problem as it’s really annoying me and more importantly it’s very upsetting to my mother , Tommy Godfrey’s daughter. Thanks. IAN BOYCE. 82.42.199.152 (talk) 10:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you (or your mother) quite understand how Wikipedia works. It is not a place for posting personal comments.  It is an encyclopedia.  Yes, anyone can edit it, but material that is not properly sourced from published sources, or which has no value to readers of an encyclopedia, or which gives out personal information such as relatives' names, will be removed.  That is how it is - it's nothing personal against your family.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

A favour to ask... again
Hello Guy. I hope you are well. Would you be kind enough to have a look at the draft article for Cleo Page, presently luxuriating in my soapbox. I have not been well for the past 5/6 weeks, including a short spell in hospital, and am not sure that my diligence is yet up to scratch. As you will see, this case is a little more complicated/bizarre than most. Many thanks - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:14, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Blimey! I may be able to take a look at it, but don't be at all surprised if I'm not.  I'm editing here very much on a part-time basis at the moment, due to other commitments (some family-related, some not).  So. if I were you I would just go ahead and publish it.  Sorry to hear that you've been unwell - I hope you are well on the way to recovery!  Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:37, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have followed your advice and the article is now on the mainframe, so to speak. I am recovering, thanks for asking, but it is slow progress.  Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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Regarding your handling of the dispute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Discuss_with_the_other_party "Do not continue edit warring; once sustained discussion begins, productively participating in it is a priority. Uninvolved editors who are invited to join a dispute will likely be confused and alarmed if there are large numbers of reverts or edits made while discussion is ongoing."

Additionally - "Avoid posting a generic warning template if you are actively involved in the edit war yourself; it can be seen as aggressive. Consider writing your own note to the user specifically appropriate for the situation, with a view to explicitly cooling things down."

I would appreciate this in the future.82.4.221.138 (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There is no real "dispute". You have edit-warred (four edits in 24 hours) over the (somewhat trivial, in context) inclusion of a single word.  I reverted you once, and another editor twice; that is not "edit-warring" by anyone other than yourself.  So, warning you about your edits (and, incidentally, your bizarrely excessive confrontational behaviour) is a perfectly acceptable and normal practice.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There is, of course, a real dispute. That is in itself beyond dispute. If you disagree, I suggest you read the talk page before weighing in on the topics on there, or else I refer you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute in case you are unclear on the definition of the word.


 * I have not edit-warred as I merely maintained established consensus until the other user took it to the talk page. This is of course, not edit-warring on my part, whereas your continued reverting against established consensus while the discussion was still on going is indeed edit-warring. You are the sole user in breach of this, no-one is guilty of this but yourself. Projecting is disruptive, reminding you of this is not.


 * Except that my behaviour has been nothing short of sensible, appropriate, rational and reasonable at every turn. At no point has it been anything but - it sounds like you're confusing me with users who previously edit-warred over this dispute. My behaviour towards you has been perfectly sound as well, whereas yours has become unreasonable, churlish, petulant and passive aggressive. That is what warrants a warning.


 * Additionally, as per the guidelines you clearly should have been more polite in any warnings to me, seen as I have been nothing but exactly that towards you - and again, it was you edit-warring here, not myself.82.4.221.138 (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Unexplained?
You said my edit was unexplained. Bullocks!

In addition, perhaps you need to re-read WP:BURDEN. I've cleaned up after you. Just because someone's birthdate may be well known to some, doesn't mean a WP:RS is not required for its inclusion in a Wikipedia article. Lots of folks lie about their age. General WP:BLP always applies and the standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons is higher than mere existence of a reliable source that could be verified. Toddst1 (talk) 17:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's quite unusual for an editor to challenge and remove a birthdate that has been widely and reliably reported over, in this case, perhaps 60 years. If you need a WP:RS, it shall be done.  But, really,  if it was a matter that caused you concern, it would have been easier (and less aggravating to other editors, and readers) to actually do it yourself in the first place (as you have now done).   Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)  PS: In future, please endeavour not to call those of us with over 120K edits, over 1300 new articles, etc., over 16+ years, "lazy".  Thanks.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

"It Hurts Me Too"
I am supposed to be a pop historian (tee hee), and font of all knowledge (even more LOL). Well, in doing some research for another undoubtedly barnstorming new article (on someone who included her version of the song on an album - probably a 'cover version' if I am not mistaken), I came across this, and nearly fell of my chair listening to it. Firstly I had never heard the song before, nor dear old Elmore James' having a go at it and "giving it loads and then some" (a Yorkshire expression meaning... "giving it loads and then some"). It much grieves me to say it that, although I am now delightfully enlightened, I am totally crestfallen by my ignorance - yeah, "It Hurts Me Too". I did the new-fangled digitalised type of replay on the recording, somewhat akin to leaving the record changer arm open on the old Dansette, to enable me to have a few more listens before almost literally falling off.

Never too old to learn. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe there are ways in which unscrupulous persons are able to download such files as mp3, and then burn them onto ye olde cd as necessary. But of course I know no more (perhaps).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It would not surprise me one jot. There are, I believe, all sorts of outrageous, nefarious and illegal practices partaken in Wales.  One step across that old bridge and all sorts goes on.  For starters, do the residents still all wear those big, lace-edged, black hats; or stir their cawl with Welsh lovespoons ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Incidentally on a completely unrelated matter, is it just me, or has Wikipedia finally lost its 'bounce' (you know, that infuriating bump on the page, a second or so after you open an edit file etc.) ? Good riddance, if it is a permanent improvement, and not just my failing eyesight. - Regards, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Advice needed please
Hi, I'm trying to reach concensus at Mystic Braves talk page. We've had some discussion on the users talk page which didn't seem to get anywhere so I've moved to the article talk page. As per wp:con Can I ask how many days would be suitable to wait for a reply before asking for a third opinion? Thanks Knitsey (talk) 15:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I'm not canvassing for opinion on the disagreement I'm just not sure how long I should wait. Hope thats ok. Knitsey (talk) 15:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why you think I can help - I can't, sorry. Looking at the article edit history, the best person to contact would be, I think.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Knitsey (talk) 18:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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Ohhh Matron
Looking at the discography for Ken Williams (songwriter), probably a copy and paste job from the ever unreliable AllMusic, it is obvious that his credits have been muddled with the wonderful, and to me much missed, Kenneth Williams. If I was feeling better I might have had a go at editing, but the text just swirls before my eyes at the present. Also, being repeatedly told Discogs is unreliable (and 45cat for that matter), - clearly not by you - when it is far more trustworthy, makes my blood boil - so I really can't be arsed. Over to you. If you can be arsed, that is. Regards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I hadn't bothered checking that - obviously you're right so I've removed the whole thing. I'll see if I can do a better discography.  Thanks!  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:29, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Not funny
It was not a joke. It was facts. Deal with it. 46.15.174.50 (talk) 17:33, 11 December 2022 (UTC)