User talk:GhostInTheMachine/2024

Marcel de Baer
Thanks for all the edits to the Marcel de Baer article. On the topic of "This article may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling" - do have any detail on what needs to be done ? Charles.bowyer (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Example things to fix: Probably other things in the text itself — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Personal life – bare link for Margaret Rudston-Read rather than a reference
 * Career Summary – needs formatting as narrative text or a tidy list. Remove ordinals from dates.
 * Date ranges use ndashes or "1941 to 1945"
 * Curley quotes
 * Honours – format as a list – bare link – add refs
 * Related websites – External links – format as a list


 * Many thanks for that. I believe (hope!) that I have dealt with all those items - except that 'remove ordinals from dates' puzzled me.
 * Maybe you could review and check that I have done as requested ? Charles.bowyer (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Most things seem OK now. I have taken off the copyedit tag. A few more references would be good – there are some paragraphs and especially the Career Summary with none at all. The ordinal thing would be a date such as 13th June 1933 instead of a plain date 13 June 1933 (now fixed) — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for that. I know that the referencing is an issue - I am leaving that tag on until I can fix it. My problem is - much is from a private archive, but that will go into public storage (National Archives Kew) later this year - and then I can reference properly. Charles.bowyer (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

about chhipi caste article
hey @GhostInTheMachine hope you are fine. i made small contribution on chhipi caste page according to few reliable information in books or article. if you have time you can check this Khush1457 (talk) 05:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish companies established in 2015


A tag has been placed on Category:Polish companies established in 2015 indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 21:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Bel-Air
Hi @GhostInTheMachine, you are engaged in an edit war with me on the Bel-Air (film) page. I have twice explained my reason for wanting to keep the short description brief, and instead of discussing the matter on the talk page, you have insisted on reverting. This is not the appropriate manner of settling a disagreement, and I encourage you to desist. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 12:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Carlisle Bulilding
Hello GhostInTheMachine,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Carlisle Bulilding for deletion, because it's a redirect that seems implausible or is an unlikely search term.

If you don't want Carlisle Bulilding to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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-MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Your edit on Yongsan (constituency)
Hello GhostInTheMachine, I've noticed your edit on the page Yongsan (constituency) sorts the election results from an oldest (top) to most recent (bottom). I reverted your edit before due to this sorting order being inconsistent with other election result sections that are used in constituency pages.

A quick look at other constituency pages on English Wikipedia show that election results are sorted from most recent on top to oldest on bottom. I would like to kindly ask you to refrain from changing the election results sort order as it is only creating an inconsistency and breaking precedent.

I am willing to engage in dialogue if you believe there's a good reason to adopt an alternative sort order. In the meanwhile, I will reinstate the original sort order of most recent on top to oldest on bottom in order to stay consistent with the countless other constituency articles that use the aforementioned sort order. MogasTheThird (talk) 04:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * See MOS:SORTLIST. The list of election results is a list, even if the entries are tables, so chronological order is correct. There being other articles that are incorrect is not a reason to also be incorrect — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Knights Templar in popular culture
Please set to "none" as short description per WP:SDNONE, because just only a list article. 160.20.109.73 (talk) 11:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The current SD looks OK — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thanks. 160.20.109.73 (talk) 11:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the rollback
Apologies about this rollback -- it was an accident/misclick. However, I do think you're wrong to revert that edit. To me, that paragraph meets the criteria laid out at WP:PRIMARY. Ed [talk] [OMT] 17:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:USINGSPS and WP:MEDIUM ("... should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert ...", my emphasis) are also useful here. Ed [talk] [OMT] 18:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Civil parishes
Wyck Rissington (and presumably others) is a civil parish as well as a village. Your short description is only describing part of the subject. I don't think saving three words is worthwhile, if it results in an inaccurate description. Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Remember WP:SD40 and WP:SDNOTDEF. Short descriptions often exclude accurate information — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 09:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Right. But not defining information. Wyck Rissington is the parish AND the village. The opening sentence of WP:SDESC says "The short description of a Wikipedia article or of another namespace page is a concise explanation of the scope of the page." Note: "the scope of the page" – not "part of the scope of the page". Dave.Dunford (talk) 10:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Ocean Village, Gibraltar
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The Book of Disquiet
Hello! I hope you're having a good day! :-) I noticed you recently reversed/undid an edit to the short description for "the book of disquiet" without providing an edit comment to support this change.

Edit comments are required when making a change to the meaning of the article, or the text contained there in. A comment is *always* necessary when undoing the work of a previous editor.

The short description you provided does not accurately reflect the (admittedly, very unusual) publication date/history of the book, and it will be returned to the previous state. If you wish to dispute this, please do so on the articles talk page where we can (I hope) resolve this matter amicably. On the talk page, please clearly state your reasons/evidence in support of your opinion. It can then be considered by our fellow editors.

All the best :) PocketfulOfMumbles (talk) 09:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Leeds Wikipedia meetup on Saturday 4th May
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Full details here.

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20:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Fraisthorpe
A silly reversion. I could call Twickenham a large town, which it is; it used to be a borough, and I can still find manhole covers and street signs lettered "Borough of Twickenham". I don't believe in edit wars, however. Donnanz (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * . I know that Fraisthorpe is indeed not huge – I have been there. The problem is that there is no clear external RS for concepts such as "small village", "large village" etc. Do we even agree that we are talking about population or might it be based on land area? We have enough trouble with edit wars over "village" vs. "town". We even have fights over "town" vs. "city" when there is an absolutely clear distinction (for UK at least). So it is a lot safer / wiser / more reasonable / Wikipedialy to not use "small" / "large" and the like, but state what the population was at some specific moment and let readers understand that, at moment X, village Y was smaller (or larger) than village Z — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 19:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, you have the advantage. I can only base my judgment on what I see on Explorer map 295, the built-up area of Fraisthorpe is considerably smaller than that of Barmston. The surrounding area is much larger, extending to Fraisthorpe Sands. The population would no doubt be included with the whole of Barmston parish. As for cities, I often come across US cities with a population of less than 1,000, more incredibly even less than 100. I prefer to call them "minor" cities rather than "small", as the land area of the city may be large in relation to its population. Donnanz (talk) 09:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Takagi Masayoshi moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Takagi Masayoshi. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Boleyn (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Eddie Hick
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When to geocoord and when not?
Hello! If there is guidance for the above question, I would be grateful. I've been beavering away since January hunting down coordinates for abandoned gold mines, hiking trailheads, former African American towns, plane crash sites, roads, bridges, recording studios, electrical power lines, etc.

The other day it came to my attention that I may have been wrong. Pi.1415926535 designated a whole series of articles as not needing coordinates here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pi.1415926535. Since the geocoord tag is placed by anome.bot, I asked The Anome for guidance about what does and doesn't need coordinates and the closest thing to a response is them returning the geocoord tag to the Whittier Fault article. So I've been marking articles not related to geologic formations or other things of national importance as not needing them.

What the $%@* are we supposed to do? I'm very confused. (I want back all the hours I've wasted hunting down unneeded coordinates, lol.) Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 20:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Oona Wikiwalker: First off, your efforts have certainly not been wasted! You've done a wonderful job tracking down coordinates for some rather difficult-to-locate sites. There's no official criteria on whether or not an article should have coordinates. I have three criteria that I personally use:
 * Does the subject have a single fixed location? Articles like film festivals that move every year, ships that regularly move or have been scrapped, military campaigns across a wide area, and college districts with multiple colleges don't have a single fixed location that's useful to add. West Coast Stock Car/Motorsports Hall of Fame (an online museum) and UCLA Extension (a university program with multiple locations and no primary one) are examples from my recent edits.
 * Is it possible to determine the coordinates to a useful precision? Some articles simply aren't possible to locate accurately enough to be useful: long-abandoned settlements only described as "about 10 miles east of XYZ", sensitive archeological sites whose location is withheld, sea battles with wildly differing accounts of their location, etc. If further research may reveal the answer, the "coords needed" template can stay. But if it's never going to be possible to add accurate coordinates, it shouldn't just sit in the maintenance category forever.
 * Can it meaningfully be described with a single set of coordinates? Point features (like the mines, towns, crash sites, bridges, and studios you mention) are definite yesses. Longer features like roads, rivers, and mountain ranges often cannot be described with a single set of coordinates - they need a map instead. (I'm happy to give you guidance on creating KML and GeoJSON map data if you ever want.) Sometimes it's possible to add coords for endpoints like the mouth of a river or the trailheads of a trail; sometimes that's not really useful to add to the article. This one in particular is a judgement call, and your decisions so far have been just fine.
 * Best, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for clearing away my confusion, Pi! I'm going to make sure I understand. (I did think there were rather a lot of road requests in Los Angeles county, but put that down to the car culture there.)
 * I find it reassuring that the admins keep an eye on things as we newbs wobble about on our new bicycles trying not to run over the flowerbeds. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

What Pi says makes sense to me. Places should have coordinates stated, if the coordinates can be known. Things that were once in a place, but can move, generally would not have coordinates. Is this discussion about a specific article that I have edited? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It was about the trail in Alaska, but now I understand better and I'm not upset. I'm going to reread what Pi said to make sure I understand and don't get confused again. Again, no one has done anything amiss. I thought *I* had and had wasted months of effort. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Dynkin's formula short description
Hi GhostInTheMachine, thank you for restoring the short description of Dynkin's formula, I removed it accidentally while preparing my edit yesterday! GanzKnusper (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Muzzle Awards
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Nomination of Henry Robinson (scientist) for deletion
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Short descriptions on redirects
See v

which is why redirects to sections need SDs. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)