User talk:Giano/archive 22

Still male?
I'm so glad to see you speak fluent Japanese and are a professional Perl programmer now! But still male, huh? Bishonen &#124; talk 13:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC).
 * Ah, I'm glad you spotted the constant. I though about having that seen to too, but then the dog limped back from the vet's and I decided that was a step too far, even to raise my waning popularity on Wikipedia. So still borringly male, hetrosexual and loving women - all the things that make one a hate figure here these days. Giano    (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back
It's good to see you back, Excellency. I hope you don't mind, but I closed the outer userbox for you (the second Userboxbottom), 6 lines above). If you want a different layout, I'm always happy to help if I can. --RexxS (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, no Rex, it's fine as it is: as you can see I am an advanced computer programmer, I'm sure I'll manage to figure it out...........somehow. Giano    (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * PS:Actually Rex, could you please release Spumoni from his cage - if I do it, he'll only take advantage or my good, generous nature. Giano    (talk) 18:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Your slightest wish ... --RexxS (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh that's much better - thank you. Giano    (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh that's much better - thank you. Giano    (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Moved from Arb page -should have been posted here instead
Have moved statement from case page to here where it should have been all along - apologies for that.

Can you consider rephrasing or removing your statement here. Amortias (T)(C) 22:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have already replied on the case page, it would appear that GW stands by the content of the article, so I can't really strike my comment as it's correct. Giano    (talk) 22:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Excellent
Giano...your summation here is one of the best pieces of thought I have ever read on this website. Bravo.--MONGO 23:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mongo. I'm already informed one of our leading lady arbs that it will be discounted, but one does one's best to clarify things anyway. Giano    (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration statement
Hi, Giano. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Arbitration/Requests/Case. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; and concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the Arbitrators.

Exemptions to this limit can be requested either on the page in question or via the Arbitration Comittee mailing list.

For the Arbitration Committee, Amortias (T)(C) 16:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing that out; I will amend it shortly. Giano    (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry Amortias, but my computer makes the word count 433 words and 2,005 characters. I assume the replies to Kevin Gorman and Gorrillawarfare and co do not count as part of the statement. Giano    (talk) 17:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Giano, the responses to other users and questions asked do count towards the limit. Please see the large pinx box on the top left of the cases page for further calrification. Amortias (T)(C) 17:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh you want me to remove the responses to GorillaWarfare and Kevin Gorman, why didn't you simply say so? Giano    (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The statements are welcome to remain as long as they are appropriate. If you wish to keep them you are free to request an exemption for the word count. Amortias (T)(C) 17:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In just under 12 years, I have never requested anything from anyone in any authority at Wikipedia. I suspect we understand each other. The statement is trimmed to precisely 500 words. If I'm asked any further questions, I shall respond here. Giano    (talk) 17:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much Hell in a Bucket I shall put it with my other awards. However, I'm not sure I like the word "cojones" on this page; there are Wikipedians around with delicate sensibilities where genitals are concerned. As my esteemed aunt (who as Wikipedia's most senior lady editor should have been asked to Chair the Gender Gap Ladies) never tires of saying: "never mistake vulgarity for wit". Giano    (talk) 15:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries I removed it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Vested contributors arbitration case opened
You may opt-out of future notifications related to this case at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Vested contributors/Notification list. You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Vested contributors. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Vested contributors/Evidence. Please add your evidence by November 5, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Vested contributors/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 01:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you L235, but I'm unsure quite what a "Vested Contributor" is. Therefore, I'm equally unsure what the purpose of the case is: it doesn't seem to explain it on the pages concerned. While I am notoriously stupid, a couple of hints might point me in the right direction. Giano    (talk) 09:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * After research, I see it's a biased name, and a clumsy attempt to flush out "vested contributors" (ie: anyone in anyway empathetic to sympathetic to Eric Corbett. It's a witch hunt and I shall have nothing to do with something so obviously corrupt. Giano    (talk) 11:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Vested contributors retitled Arbitration enforcement 2
You may opt-out of future notifications related to this case at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration enforcement 2/Notification list. You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration enforcement 2. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration enforcement 2/Evidence. Please add your evidence by November 5, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. For this case, there will be no Workshop phase. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Liz  Read! Talk! 13:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Liz, if you don't mind, I think I'll opt out. Where I come from we abandoned the Forum Games as one-sided, heavily weighted entertainment some years ago. As one grows older, blood sports loose their appeal. Giano    (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Anomaly
Am I the only editor here that thinks it's rather daft that when I logged in today, I was met with an appeal for money? This appeal is presumably organised by the same Foundation that is simultaneously encouraging senior Wikipedians to talk to the press and promoting articles which, often full or errors, claim this is a most dreadful and unfair place. Not exactly the type of place that the kind-hearted are going to donate to. One can't help wondering if the Foundation's right hand has a clue what its left hand is doing. Giano   (talk) 09:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You probably are the only one, Excellency. The rest of us long ago clicked on 'Preferences', then went to the 'Gadgets' tab, and ticked the box in the Browsing section that said "Suppress display of fundraiser banners". --RexxS (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Mmmmm,well I like to know what's going on. Giano    (talk) 16:09, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement 2
Giano, Salvio giuliano, the drafting arbitrator (who is in charge of managing the case), has asked that you be added as an involved party to this case. In order for you to consider the statements made by other editors or to draft your own statement or response, the Evidence phase has been extended to November 10, 2015. For the Arbitration Committee, Liz  Read! Talk! 22:25, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * [Bishzilla turns her head slowly to look at the little Salvio. Preparatory puffs of smoke issue from her nostrils.] bishzilla    ROA R R! ! 00:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC).
 * No, no, Bishzilla! Never mind! Be cool! Remember when a committee of yore admonished you, yourself, a thousand years ago? How funny that was, and how cool you were? Bishonen &#124; talk 00:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC).
 * [Reminded of this amusing incident, Bishzilla cools down and stops blowing smoke. Her rare, mighty laugh rocks Wikipedia, sending the little committee tumbling arse over tip.] bishzilla <i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;">  ROA R R! !</i> 00:20, 4 November 2015 (UTC).

Thank you Liz, I would refer you to my edits one section above and here. I would like to say how miraculously prophetic my comments were, but really any student of Wikipedia or 20th-century totalitarian politics would have made the same observations. Giano   (talk) 08:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Re your comment on the WMF "Anomaly" above
Honey, you may not be in the mood to hear this today, but it looks like you let your sense of pattern and parallelism run away with you above. I realise that was several days ago, but I've absorbed a little of the Atlantic cause célèbre, and I've been credibly informed the WMF did complain to the Atlantic; did not promote that article; and as far as anybody knows, nobody there encouraged anyone to talk to the press. As for today's addition of you to the AE2 case, that's another matter altogether: it seems both absurd and in stark violation of the committee's own principles. Risker spoke eloquently on that here; thank you, Risker. And Bishzilla looked eloquently at Salvio giuliano just above; thank you, Bishzilla. Bishonen &#124; talk 17:48, 4 November 2015 (UTC).
 * Thank you Sweatheart, as I think I said elsewhere (perhaps more eloquently), sensible people only approach the press for births, marriages and deaths. To talk to reporters on any other occasion is asking to be misquoted and used - most people know that. I don't seem to remember anyone removing the link to it from Jimbo's page or on one or another of the feminist pages - perhaps that was an oversight on the page owners part, or am I mistaken?


 * Yes, I saw Risker's question, very pertinent I thought it was too, but it's rather like a former member of the Hindenburg Government asking for a reasonable explanation for their successors actions - I doubt it will do her (or me) much good. I mentioned somewhere Totalitarianism, this Arbcom makes up the rules as they occur to them and we are now not only being told what we must do, but also what we must say - that's never attractive. Giano    (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

File:MalachiteRoom.jpg listed for discussion
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 * Whatever! In the great scheme of things does it really matter? Giano    (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Alexandermemorial.JPG
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 * Thank you Stefan2, if you bother to look at the information I uploaded with the photograph, it says quite clearly: "Memorial to Tsar Alexander II, photographed by User:Giano April 2015.", as even my most ardent detractors will admit, I am indeed User: Giano! I'm unsure what more I can do to convince you of this. Giano    (talk) 18:29, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The photographer is obviously not the same person of the sculptor, so that information is not useful. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's (supposedly) a work of art! created in 1800 and something or other - so it's permitted here. Even if it were a modern copy, the Soviets claimed they damaged nothing in the Winter Palace during the Revolution, so they are hardly likely to make a claim off Wikipedia over the matter. Especially, as the poor sculpting wretch who was in on the secret would almost certainly have been killed by Stalin on order for the secret to remain safe. Or are we going to now have major worldwide headlines: "Wikipedia's famous editor Giano exposes that the Hermitage is full of fakes"? No, we are not. So  please Stefan2, stop being silly. However, now I come to think of it: "Wikipedia persecutes famous editor who exposed the Stalinest frauds" does have a certain ring to it. Yep, you delete it.  Giano    (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

a=Birthday coming up, I see== Hey, look at the little box above! "This user has been on Wikipedia for 10 years, 11 months and 29 days." Are you going to throw a party on your 11th wikibirthday? Shall I bring the champagne? Bishonen &#124; talk 18:11, 6 November 2015 (UTC).
 * You are very observant; it wasn't something I'd noticed. There doesn't seem to be a great deal to celebrate - there currently seem to be some very dark forces at work here, maintaining people who are more interested in pushing their own personal and political agendas and silencing those who don't agree with them, than writing an encyclopedia, which is very sad indeed. However, champagne (or something stronger) is always welcome here.  Giano    (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)




 * The only help against the dark forces seems to be to keep writing the encyclopedia and ignore all else. Is the birthday tomorrow or on Sunday? Is this a pre-birthday gift for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for all the gifts. I don't know when the big day is, are there 30 or 31 days in a wiki-month? Giano   (talk) 23:20, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You will know if you joined the 7th or the 8th ;) - looks like the 8th. Music tomorrow, red link on my user page, added yesterday and fitting nicely. Today, I will sing all day, of "a very human feeling of faith in eternal rest", as the composer put it, - article up for GA, by the way, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

It's your birthday (here)
<div style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; background-color: #ddd; border: 5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius: 0.5em;"> !! years of service to knowledge and integrity, thank you. For the moment, here's a gift box. An article is in preparation born, Chieftain's Salute. Salute, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Apologies
I'd like to apologize for my short comment at User_talk:Kevin_Gorman. They were not conducive to a positive environment. My request for you not to use loaded language stands, but the semi-passive-aggressive part was out of line. Thanks, L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 23:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's quite alright; apologies accepted. I expect you are not in the loop because you don't use IRC or wherever it is certain Wikipedians go these days to do and say the things they are too timid to say openly. Giano    (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration proposed decision posted

 * OK, I'll bite. Giano: What did you do to get on the bad side of Arbcom? I've been trying to understand recent events, but they just don't add up for me. I's there some background here that I'm missing? Don't answer if you don't want to. ~Awilley (talk) 18:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * this has been going on since 2006. It's not the first time that Arbcom has pulled Giano into a case where he wasn't a party, either. Now, I'm not going to say that Giano was in any way diplomatic in his language. But there were many other editors who were similarly over the top in various comments; the community was constrained entirely from adding evidence about them. If Arbcom actually wanted to solve problems in the area of ...I'm not even sure what problems it was trying to solve here, to be honest, since it didn't solve any of the ones the community seemed interested in... it would have allowed evidence against others, or it would have stuck to its own rules and kept the case focused on that very narrow spectrum. It's pretty darn obvious that whatever they were doing, it had nothing to do with gender gap, civility, GGTF, or anything else. Risker (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Giano did nothing wrong; he is simply an ally of Eric, that's all.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   19:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Risker, for the link, but it doesn't really answer the question of why. @Cassianto, I don't buy that it's just because he supported Eric. Eric has plenty of allies, some of them uncivil as well, who don't get singled out. I understand there's probably not an easy answer here, I was just wondering if I was missing something obvious. ~Awilley (talk) 05:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You certainly will be missing something Awilley, if our Gender Gap ladies spot your rather witty, but sexist user name. Giano    (talk) 07:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by that. The only think I can think of is a reference to some slang that I haven't heard since middle school, so I'm sure you're not talking about that. ~Awilley (talk) 04:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Arbcom: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. We can always rely upon petty functionaries to live down to expectations. Writegeist (talk) 21:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC) Aw gee shucks (as our American Arbcom friends would say). They don't seem to have noticed that I don't comment on the pages belonging to the Non-males anyway. It's going to be a real hardship. How will I survive? Giano   (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Giano, I can't help noticing that the creature in the front of that picture above looks like he's giving serious consideration to taking a massive dump on the grass right there and then. Is that some sort of deliberate political statement you wanted to make, or just my imagination running riot again? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you said that: I had thought something similar. I rather think it's just the way kangaroos are built rather than any political statement of mine. Giano    (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Damen verboten
'''In order to comply with the intended Arbcom restriction, I am regretfully banning all self-confessing and identifying non-males from posting on this page (Posts have already been removed). This is to save me from temptation, keep me from evil and causing widespread panic and disruption on Wikipedia.  Giano    (talk)''' 07:44, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

EvergreenFir and Kevin Gorman please feel free to add this to your evidence sections, I would hate the Arbs to miss it. <span

Just wanted ya to know.
Though we've had our differances in the past. I do admire your honesty, concerning all that GGTF stuff. GoodDay (talk) 18:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's because I have nothing to hide and nothing to apologise for. I have an opinion and I am entitled to have and express it. This is a trumped up charge presided over by mob of Kangaroos. Interestingly, I just had to look up the collective name for kangaroos, and it seems strangely appropriate. Giano    (talk) 18:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You're probably glad you didn't choose this illustration, then. --Mirokado (talk) 19:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WTF are they? Something obviously not native to Italy. Giano    (talk) 19:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As opposed to the vast herds of kangaroos that roam the slopes of Puglia? Those are wombats, collective noun a wisdom. &#8209; iridescent 19:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel an affiliation to wombats coming on. Giano    (talk) 19:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oddly, English WP has no interlanguage link to canguro (though canguro does, courteously, have on to en.wikipedia). Nevertheless, sacred kangaroos, can be found in Italian cartoons. Alright, now that (I at least) have had a laugh, I also need to add that I find it an incredibly offensive turn-off to hear that Giano and Eric have something to do with gender-related bias on Wikipedia. The gap exists. To blame these editors shows an unbelievable lack of circumspection. ---Sluzzelin talk  20:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * it:Canguro is a redirect to it:Macropodidae, no interlanguage link for a redirect. --Mirokado (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support this page as both entertaining and educational. For our younger members so prevalent within the project, and unfamiliar with how to actually use Google, I leave you with this link.  As far as "staying within the lines", that would depend upon your station within the project. — Ched :  ?  19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Why send them off-wiki? Long pointless lists is the one field where even Wikipedia's harshest critics would admit the wiki model shines. &#8209; iridescent 19:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I can assure you all, that it will be business here as normal. Women have nothing to fear from me - or anyone else for that matter. Giano    (talk) 20:20, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The wombats look cuddly. If you picked one up, would that be a mistake?  Do people keep them as pets? Jehochman Talk 21:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly not, only chocolate labradors allowed to be pets here. Giano    (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom
I've made a proposal to limit their power. I know this page is watched by a lot of folks, sympathetic, apathetic, and antagonistic. I admit my proposal is motivate by the current case which appears to be a serious and unnecessary abuse of power. Please feel free to comment because it impacts you. Jehochman Talk 00:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions notice - Gender gap
-- slakr \ talk / 01:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It's a trap! Jehochman Talk 03:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ....and I expect before long "relevant policies" will include one which forbids all questioning concerning the size and importance of the Gender Gap. Lovely place Wikipedia. Giano    (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

The Gorman
Hi Giano, you might like to look at this which shows that Kev is not capable of critical thought. In essence, believes it not ok to label someone as being a prostitute, but it is totally to label someone of being involved in child prostitution if the US Department of States says so. I think you should support Kevin for Arbcom, as he deserves to be on Arbcom and Arbcom deserves Kevin :) 101.186.36.211 (talk) 04:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Apart from when he does his hurried busy bee buzzing about into my areas, I really don't follow him. Giano    (talk) 07:20, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry G, I've fixed the above link, and there's also this which preceded the above link. The Gorman has a long history of being a bombastic ass, and I seriously think you should support him for Arbcom. It would be great to see Arbcom implode under Kev's direction ;)
 * I'm afraid I really don't want to get involved in stories about prostitutes, sex workers and the like. That and image deletions are areas I'm not much interested in. In my experience, it's best to confine oneself to topics one understands. Giano    (talk) 07:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you help me out?
Giano: I intend to write up Pope's villa, probably with a section on Pope's grotto, and definitely with a second section on the Victorian Tudor house on roughly the same site called Pope's Villa. I have enough sources to make a tidy start, but you undoubtedly have access to far more sources, and your expertise in architecture (and taste) obviously far outshine most. So if I create the article, would you be willing to improve it? Or would you rather do it yourself? Yngvadottir (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course I will. You start it off and then I'll come along and interfere. Giano    (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Lovely. I'll do so as soon as work permits. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * started it; I've laid down the basics. The Pope's Grotto redirect is capitalised. I have a bunch of JSTOR references, but must now go all too briefly to bed, and later have work. Have at, please. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That one article, the one about the iconography, I could not see the second and third pages of that chapter, which is where the whole thing is most likely described in a way that suits our encyclopedic purposes. If need be, if we really want to make something out of it, I'll get it through ILL. Natti natti, Drmies (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If this Giano Article Writing Service is a free for all, I'll just casually mention I recently created Terraced houses in the United Kingdom.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not bad, but no use of Muthesius? Yngvadottir (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haven't got hold of a copy yet - patience <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Giano, I'm sorry they're getting you down. Thanks for your offer; I'll muddle through on the article as best I can and it will still be there for you to improve when you feel better about contributing again. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC) I just saw you had worked on it. Thank you! Yngvadottir (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

comments
I posted tonight with comments which include your name. My apologies for not using the ping function. — Ched : ?  07:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ched; I'm not sure the ping thing does us any good anyway, sometimes best not to know what's being said about one. The current case is altogether too silly for words and is just a few politically motivated Wikipedians preserving their agenda by force. Anyway, I'm backing off Wikipedia for a while, I read something last night written by an Arbcom hopeful about gender (their gender) that was so stupid, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry - so I decided to cry. This place has become too ridiculous for words, I'm not sure I can cope with the rise of these half-baked people and their daft ideas - especially as I fail to see what an editor's sexual orientation has to do with writing an encyclopedia. I'm more interested in reading a fellow editor's work than going to bed with them. Perhaps I'm unusual in that. I believe there is such a thing as "too much information", this is a place for writing an encyclopedia not a place for coming out, going in or airing any other private information.  Giano    (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Giano, Sir. I'm not sure of the proper salutation, but I'm given to believe that "Your Excellency" is not undue.  You took the time to say to me "don't give up".  I took that to heart.  To be honest, and perhaps painfully blunt, titles mean nothing to me.  2015 is coming to a close, and I personally have lost a great deal to the year. Still, I have much, and I will hold my head up and take pride in who I am.  Seeing the adversity of others has taught me so much about taking pride in one's self.  Honor is a virtue, and speaking the truth IS honorable.  I may not always throw myself to the wolves as others do, but I do admire the honor.  I am who I am Giano, and I truly appreciate being talked to as an equal.  Thank you sir. — Ched :  ?  09:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Giano & Ched. If only Wikipedia would adopt my philosophy that all Wikipedians are gender-neutral. If only.....:( GoodDay (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * There are always some people who want to make a division between "us" and "them" and play it for political gain. We're all just editors, androgynous, anonymous editors.  I for one claim to be a real life person, but how do you know for sure I'm who I claim to be, and not somebody else?  How do we know that Giano isn't a kindly, church-going grandmother from Topeka acting out the fantasy of her alter ego?  Certainly there is a problem with mentally unstable or severely antisocial people who hang around this site and harass other editors.  Who has time to spend hours upon hours working for free?  Those who spend a lot of time here must either be retired, unemployed, mentally unwell, filthy rich (hat tip to Lady Catherine), or graduate students, to have the luxury of indulging this bizarre hobby. Jehochman Talk 01:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Very good point Jehochman, I shall now get back to my knitting and preserve making. Giano    (talk) 08:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/Candidates/Kevin Gorman/Questions
Kevin Gorman feels my questions are inappropriate, so he removed most of them, leaving only one where his reply could be interpretated as WP:NPA. This is unacceptable, so in order to reduce drama, I removed all my questions to him. Kevin for some reason wants the first question to remain. Therefore I strongly feel that he has all questions (for context) or none of them, so I have reinstated all my questions as Kevin obviously now wishes to hear my views - I don't think it's fair for him just to select the ones he likes. For the sale of less drama, I gave him the opportunity to back out of my debate with him - he clearly does not wish to do this. However, it now seems Kevin is permitted to present his question page in a censored form  Giano    (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So here we have our proof . Asking Kevin Gorman a difficult question is tantamount to "harassment." I'm quite surprised they haven't worked "gender" into that too, but i suppose if we give them time they will. Giano    (talk) 21:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The ArbCom elections seems as corrupt, flawed and fixed as the RfA process does. The whole lot stinks.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   00:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know about corrupt, but it's certainly gone a little strange. A section of Wikipedia has now become so obsessed with gender, that it seems to me that they won't be happy if one remaining confessing, practicing male remains on the Arbcom. I haven no problem with anyone of any sex or legal persuasion, but it does concern me when a man who's born a man and presumably lives as a man has to say on his arbcom election page: "I present as a cisdude." I had to look the term up, and I'm still not sure it's what I think it is - a man born a baby boy who lives a contented heterosexual lifestyle dressed in men's clothes? Life used to be so uncomplicated, but I suppose if he said: "I'm a bog standard unremarkable man", he thinks he'd get less votes. Giano    (talk) 08:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Corrupt, not in the financial sense, but in a "if they're one of our mates, then we're gonna look after them" kinda way. I think if I knew someone who was joining WP now, my advice to them would be to "pretend you're female", or at least come across that you are.  That way you'll have the GGTF and every other liberal do-gooder falling at your feet and watching your back.  All of the females I know on here couldn't give a shit for how gender-divided (apparently) it is on here; they are here to write, and bloody good at it they are too. The likes of,  and , all of whom I respect unreservedly and would consider to be some of the best editors we have, are unfortunately not looked after in the same way as someone who creates little or no content for the project. I find that to be quite odd.    Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   09:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I will agree with you there, but having said that, when I collaborate (in the Wikipedia sense), I suspect it's almost always with a female (are we still allowed to call them that?) or, at least, there's been a female or two in the team, which is why I doubt the magnitude of the Gender Gap here. Perhaps team is the important word here - 'team' has a nice collaborative ring to it that makes people want to join, whereas 'task force' sound like a military deployment on its way across the Atlantic to nuke somebody. Whatever, it will be a cold day in Hell before  I "present myself as a cisdude" - totally ridiculous.  Giano    (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

A farce, isn't it? I honestly don't think Kevin has one chance in hell of getting elected with his massive crusade to eliminate Eric Corbett and his friends. I honestly didn't know he had that big of a vendetta until I unblocked Eric from a sub-optimal block, resulting in Kevin's strenuous attempts to remove Black Kite's and my admin bits. It was quite asinine, really, to see how desperate he was to have his little wiki-battle, leaving me wondering, "Is this reality?" Thankfully, saner heads in ArbCom saw the real issue in that the arbitration enforcement policy was unclear. Ah well, neither he nor Kirill will likely get elected.

With regards to the gender issues, "cis" is basically just "not transgender". Frankly, I couldn't care less if an editor or arb candidate is male, female, gay, straight, cis, trans, religious, agnostic, liberal, conservative, or anything else. It's not my concern, and frankly none of my business intruding on their privacy. As long as they aren't POV-pushing, I couldn't care any less, and even then I'd only care about the violations of WP:NPOV. Cheers, and good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid there are some people that think if you say something often enough, it will become true, and even more people who are then inclined to believe these much repeated 'truths.' Putting aside the size of Wikipedia's gender gap which has never been properly proven, there is Eic Corbett. While his language can be very acerbic, I've never known him use it to a new editor or go out randomly looking for someone to swear at. It's usually directed it at someone with equally strong views, or at an over officious Admin - I really have a problem believing that Eric drives new editors off or damages the encyclopedia. But then I'm supposed to do that too, and I rarely swear or have contact with new editors at all. I also have a problem believing that the average reader gives a fig who writes the pages they read; they are just grateful that the info is there. For that reason, I think writing is more important than the behind-the-scenes behaviour of the writer. Apparently in real life, Enid Blyton was an adulteress with a pretty nasty tongue, but who cares? I find it pretty sad that some people's only claim to Wiki-fame is achieved by highlighting a lack of social niceties in productive editors. Giano    (talk) 07:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "Cis" is, for me, a political statement ("political" in the sense in which we use it in English departments in the US), which is meant to indicate that biological sex is a very different thing from gender. In other words, if I call myself cismale I'm signaling that I believe it could have gone differently and that I'm totally cool with it going differently for someone else. YMMV, but for me (and a lot of my friends and old grad school colleagues) it's an important thing. Not the biggest deal in the world, and not something I would advertise all over the place, but personally important nonetheless. I have no problem with Kevin making the claim, nor do I have a problem with you (Giano) thinking it ridiculous--you're just totally wrong and Edwardian and all, haha. Oh, if you ever run into that Lady, tell her I thought her ACE guide was wonderful. How these ArbCom elections will turn out, I really don't have a clue. The mass-mailing may have surprising effects. We'll see. At any rate, I think it's comforting to know that ArbCom doesn't run everything, and that we still have ways to disagree with it and seek redress. At least, I think we do. Unless I get in, in which case y'all need to shut up and do as I say: party will be over. Happy days everyone, Drmies (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well Drmies, Edwardian I amy be, but not being from the US, only having received basic sex education (quite enough for my needs) and not having studied the finer points of sexual orientation, I was very disturbed when I saw the word 'cis' for the first time last week, as I assumed it was really insulting, and was expecting the perpetrator to be instantly blocked. It was only then, that I decided to look it up. One of the problems of having learnt my English in a boys school n the 70s and 80s, was that I assumed (with my dodgy spelly) that it was something to so with "sissy" - as I'm sure will many others. Anyway, I am pleased t be found wrong, but it all sounds far too complicated for my small brain to compute. Giano    (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was news to me too, a couple of years ago. We didn't get that fancy in the motherland in the 1970s or 1980s either. Plus, I went to a really Calvinist high school. Interesting: "learnt". We're doing morphology in class now, and "learn" is called "Type C: Preterite formed by addition of -t", along with spell, dwell, spoil. Perhaps you're spelling it like this here to make a rhetorical point? I wonder how Eric spells it. Our book doesn't list "spilt/spilled", and I just noticed there are examples of usage of "no use crying over spoilt milk", which is what I always thought the phrase was--don't know where I picked that up, maybe from some British TV show ages ago. Have a great day Giano, Drmies (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * About the only advantage of being as old as I am, is the benefit of having received a classical education. Well, it was just Latin, really, but I did get to study the activities of your ancestors, Excellency. One of them, a certain G. J. Caesar, seems to have spent some time running Northern Italy (which was then known as Gallia Cisalpina), and then fighting with everyone in France (which was Gallia Transalpina). That helped me remember that cisalpine meant 'this side of the Alps' and transalpine meant 'the other side of the Alps'. Perhaps that might help if you come across such terms again? --RexxS (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Very useful to know Rex - thank you for sharing that with us. However, my ancestors were not "cis" anything or particularly Alpine or even northern; I think my own remarkable looks are the result of a fusion of Arab and Greek. Interestingly, I read recently that historically in the USA Sicilians were designated as Black - not many people know that. Giano    (talk) 09:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

"Sorry for interrupting"
Re this, you're very welcome at any of my talk pages. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Boing!, its all very worrying because "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" to take over the Arbcom.........do they? Giano    (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * (Yes, I know that for my safety and protection I better not post here, thank you for the warning.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gerda, I think you are quite safe back here now. The Arbcom seem to have forgotten quite why they involved me in that ridiculous case and have gone into a group hug to try and remember why. Congratulations for the article. Giano    (talk) 10:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Moi
I'm currently edit.ing from a distant land and heave only a ridiculously small keyboard which keeps using predictive text. I mention this in case anyone thinks I'm drunk or even more odd than usual  Giano    (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

The Deconstruction of Wikipedia
Hi Giano - I noticed your recent comment on AE2 - or was it 3? Anyway, I've had a lot of things taking shape in my thoughts recently - and thought I might share them here. (if you would rather not have them here - please feel free to delete). First: I hope you'll forgive me if my thoughts ramble a bit, I haven't really drafted an outline yet.

OK - now you commented something to the affect that you can silence 1 or 2 voices, but not all of them. I don't have a good segue here - but I recall a movie or two where a man surrounded by 5 or 6 thugs was told he was outnumbered. The response was interesting. He said something to the effect that "No - all I have to do is take out the one or two biggest of you, and all your friends will leave in fear."

Another observation I had was a discussion where "content contributors" were mentioned as a group. And someone said "I don't even know what a "content contributor" is. Not only did I realize that anyone who didn't understand that is a person who doesn't belong at Wikipedia - but I realized the entire culture of Wikipedia is changing.  It is going/has become an online game.  The days of creating Winter Palace, Ticklecock Bridge, or Pitfour estate are being replaced with a generation of "gotcha", and defining "winners".  It often starts with snide comments, snark, and pestering.  As soon as one can find a civility "gotcha" - a block gets slapped down.  Now a person has been "labeled".  Right and wrong doesn't matter - it's a matter of demoralizing, frustrating, and irritating a perceived "opponent".  If anyone defends said "opponent", then they are targeted as the next undesirable - and the process repeats.  It tends to isolate those who really want to build an online encyclopedia. People who are dedicated to building content, aren't really good at the "online game culture" - because their own experience is in research, documentation, and editing.

Just my thoughts on my recent observations. My best to you always sir. — Ched : ?  19:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate the word "deconstruction" it always sounds like a disappointing and rather mean version of a much loved dessert served in a pretentious and overinflated restaurant. However, thinking about it, that's what a lot of Wikipedia editors have become, me amongst them: pretentious and overinflated. I'm not sure that the days of writing long and informed pages are over; however, I've just spent a fascinating three days in the Hofburg - returned here to write it up and found we already have quite a good page already - with no input from me. So perhaps we all take our value to the project too seriously and can't find enough to do because Wikipedia is now already pretty good.


 * However, what is unnecessary and annoying to many, is that when someone is pretty knowledgeable on a subject, they are forced by the uneducated and very vocal masses (who write nothing) to bow to the less knowledgeable - so we are back to the always-with-us Randy in Boise and his headless skeletons. That seems to be an insurmountable problem and one we have to accept - I include User:Eric Corbett in that - he has to accept it too, and I think he does. What is harder to accept are the perennial idiot Admins - who are so inflated by their own importance that they drive people away - or as in my case, bring out the worst in people: what can be more gratifying (other than sex) than deflating pomposity? I disagree with you that some of us who write content are not good at the online game, and it's a bloody good thing that we are - or the project would never have lasted this long and I really believe that the content editors who are most vocal (like Eric) have helped keep the less vocal content editors here. So I'm going nowhere (despite some silly, Admin-protecting, censoring motion prescribed by a half-witted Arbcom) and Eric needs to come back too! Giano    (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I will think about what you say Giano. You do make some very good points. — Ched :  ?  21:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case
Giano, please refrain from making personal attacks on arbitration pages. Please keep your comments civil and focused on the issues under discussion rather than lambasting other editors. Future attacks will be removed. I know you can convey your opinions without insulting other editors. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think I will stop. This is a problem which the Arbcom should have foreseen before condoning Kevin's silly behaviour. When a Foundation hireling is allowed to make personal attacks such as this and this which would never be tolerated by any other editor, you can hardly be surprised if his victim calls him an idiot - can you? Or is it that you can think of a better definition of him? If you can, please do share it with us.  Giano    (talk) 21:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Giano, I've removed the statements again. I agree with Liz that they're personal attacks, and I will also ask that you not revert clerk redactions. Thanks, L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 22:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Giano, thank you for rewording your statement which more elegantly conveys your opinion about this case. In fact, I think it will have more impact than your earlier remarks. Your effort is appreciated. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Il y a bien du monde à Wikipédia aujourd'hui." Giano    (talk) 21:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Giano, thank you for posting this ↑↑↑ comment; in the process of figuring out what it means, I actually learned something interesting. Now I have to wait God knows how long for the perfect opportunity to use it myself, by which time I will have forgotten about it (I've reached the age where it is easier to remember something I was taught in school than something I learned 1 week ago). --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Giano, I'm looking for a nice bottle of red wine as a gift. What have you tried and liked this year? Jehochman Talk 22:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a very interesting question Jehochman; I have recently been drinking quite a lot of red Bordeaux because it's cheap and easily found and seems to suit my current taste buds, Château Lary (sadly, a red link) is my favourite for all of those reasons. However, because I have to work for a living, I am forced to spend Christmas in England this year in the rain, so will be eating a goose, so on the advice of someone who understands these things, I've bought a case of 2000 Domaine Leroy Chambolle Musigny Les Charmes. Which purely in the interests of ensuring my family are happy on Christmas day, I have already sampled two bottles, and it's very, very nice - too nice in fact; it should be even nicer when the goose is finally cooked. The problem is for you, by the time these wines reach your beautiful shores, some crook and the taxman has quadrupled the prices for you.  Giano    (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I have as a client the very best wine shoppe in New York City. Though my price basis may be high, at least they will give me good service and maybe even a small discount.  Thank you for the recommendations.  Happy Christmas to you and your family! Jehochman Talk 19:44, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Good grief! That Bordeaux is quit economical, even in New York.  My case will be here on Tuesday and we will see how it tastes. Until then we're going to drink Italian Chianti that was a gift. I know so very little about wine, but there is time to learn by experience. Jehochman Talk 02:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes,Jehochman, it is very economical, and great for the money with a some little complexity in the taste. I've only tried the 2012; it would be interesting to try another year, to see if the standard can be maintained. Don't get too excited though, it is everyday drinking wine, not special occasion wine. Giano    (talk) 07:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The only vintage available anywhere in the states is 2014. We might try a bottle and then leave the rest in the cellar for a couple years.  We have a bunker-like room under the front stoop.  Due to the terrible frost in New England, anything you want to stay level needs to have a deep foundation.  This bunker had a dirt floor.  When I measured Radon levels in my basement office at 3.0 pCi/L, it seemed like this room must be the prime culprit.  After I mixed a dozen bags of concrete in a wheel barrow and poured them over the dirt, Radon levels dropped to 1.4 pCi/L.  Because it's all below grade, and separated from heated areas by a door, the temperature and moisture are just perfect for storing wine.  Point is, I am no oenophile, but I've serendipitously built a very nice wine cellar, and want to use it.  Jehochman Talk 14:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Please let me know when you've tried it Jehochman, I wouldn't have thought it was a great keeper - two years max. I didn't know you were in New England, that's one of the places on Mrs G's immediate hit list. New England in the Fall; but she's Venetian, so thinks there's beauty in decay - I don't get it myself. Giano    (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

The case arrived today. To my surprise it was a 2014 Savignon, white wine, with a medaille de bronze. In the US we don't see much of that. I had intended to order red but maybe I or they screwed up. Doesn't matter. I have a firm policy, when served the wrong thing I try it. We went to our local Vietnamese joint. In Connecticut if a restaurant doesn't have a liquor license you can bring your own. They helpfully provided glasses and a bottle opener. It paired quite well with pho. Both the missus and I enjoyed it very much. It was smooth, balanced between dry and sweet, and we consumed more than intended. Jehochman Talk 18:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh what a pity, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm not really a white wine drinker - and only buy Pouilly-Fumé or Chablis to serve to guests with fish or with a starter, then I quite enjoy a glass; but on our own, eating a deux, we never touch it. Do try and get a case of the 2012 (Merlot, Cab Sauv and Cab Franc blend), I don't think money-wise, it can be bettered. Giano    (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

New England in the fall
I did take one vacation to tour the New England states Giano, and found it very enjoyable. (but I'm a rather dull American). Along with the colors of decaying leaves, there are also many other enjoyable things. There is plenty of shoreline, beautiful streams, seafood, and - architecture. While buildings in America are certainly not "old" by European standards, there are still some very fascinating structures which you may find tolerable. Your most illustrious aunt might find it very pedestrian, but you may find it acceptable - especially if it pleases Mrs. G. — Ched : ?  18:58, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I expect you're right. I just hate Autumn/Fall; It just makes me think of death. I expect a psychiatrist could make something of that. Giano    (talk) 20:55, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not so bad as that. In autumn there are many warm, summery days, though usually not so hot and humid. The maples in Vermont, Western Mass, and Northern Connecticut turn an amazing bright red.  Some of the other species turn yellow or orange.  Once the leaves drop, buds begin to grow immediately. Naturally, they quiesce until Spring.  If you go to a Vermont mountain top in winter and look over the forest, you can see a hint of red everywhere from the trillions of new buds.  Almost any time of year you can see bald eagles, turkey, bear, moose, deer, or other wildlife.  Just yesterday a large bear turned up at my parents home and shredded the bird feeder.  Your flight to Boston is quite short.  In summer, I would say go there and tour Newport, Nantucket and the Coast of Maine with maybe a jaunt over to Mount Washington.  For autumn, I'd go to New York and take a train called the Vermonter up to Burlington, VT, or Waterford, VT which is the stop for Stowe, Vermont.  The train gives better viewing of the countryside than driving, and you can watch for bald eagles while running along the Connecticut River.  After you've had enough Vermont, you can rent a car and drive 90 minutes to Montreal.  The view across Lake Champlain of the Adirondacks is one of the best in America, on par with Les Tetons or the mountains of New Mexico. Burlington has many unique restaurants serving locally farmed dishes.  I will go check all these articles and make sure they are in good condition for your viewing.   Jehochman Talk 03:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

AE2 proposed decision talk page
Hi Giano, I've hidden a bit of your comment as it does not meet the requirements for participation in this case because Kevin Gorman is not a named party nor have you provided evidence. Please do not replace the part I have hidden or you may be blocked or banned from further participating in the case. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, Callanecc, User:L235, User:Liz et al; you do all seem terribly sensitive about Kevin don't you. Never mind, I suppose, when you have supported and promoted some one as one of the great unsung and rising stars of Wikipedia and then they are finally seen to be a complete idiot it must be very embarrassing for you all. He'll be desysopped and and disgraced sooner of later, but as a former Hireling of the Foundation and best mate of so many Arbs add CUs ect, it will be later and we shall all have to endure him in the meantime. Giano    (talk) 08:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you considered that maybe it's the way you say things that makes people "moan and shout" when you give your opinion? It's not that difficult to say "doesn't consider his actions" or even "loose cannon" instead of "complete idiot", and it's probably more accurate too. ~Awilley (talk) 17:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No. I haven't considered it. An idiot is an idiot and a spade is a spade. This is an encyclopedia for supposed adults not the 18th century court at Versailles, where every statement had to be dressed in floral, ambiguous language. I do not think there is anything subtle or polite about stalking people just to find a reason to block them and make oneself appear clever and appealing to the Foundation - so I think by saying he's an idiot I am being fairly restrained. Giano    (talk) 17:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Adults" don't go around calling people idiots, at least in public. Children do sometimes, and when I was growing up it was grounds for a good spanking. (You could probably find some fitting analogy for that on Wikipedia.) As I'm sure someone has said before me, the easiest way to avoid being treated like a child is to not act like one. ;-) ~Awilley (talk) 03:49, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I never "get" this. (Implying someone is a "child" is a clear WP:Personal attack. How is that better than, or make you superior to, someone calling someone an "idiot"??) IHTS (talk) 06:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, so long as no one is being profane and alluding to sex, gender or religion, I am really not interested in what is considered a personal attack by a few over sensitive Wikipedians. If someone behaves in a idiotic fashion then they are an idiot. If someone launches a personal crusade and stalks another editor all over the project in the hope of banning them or making their life difficult, then there's probably another word for them, but my English is not good enough to know it, and I have better things to do in my life than bother to have it translated. Now, Awilley, please stop lecturing me as though you are some hyperactive schoolteacher who can't switch off outside of the classroom. Giano    (talk) 07:51, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry to hear your English isn't very good, my commiserations. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC).
 * Yeah; It'sa very sad, but it good enough for selling da cornettos. Giano    (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Bishonen &#124; talk 15:00, 12 December 2015 (UTC).
 * Actually, I was thinking more of my cultural heritage. Giano    (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * @IHTS, the second half was mostly in jest. ~Awilley (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Be that as it may, Awilley, have you come across the advice "the best way to avoid being called a dick, is not to act like one"? --RexxS (talk) 13:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * @RexxS, I have come across something similar, and it was partly that which I was poking fun at. @Giano, I'll leave you alone now. Poor jokes aside, I do hope you'll consider what I was trying to say above. Lecture over. ~Awilley (talk) 07:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 28, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no plans to take part in what will undoubtedly be a verbose fiasco in which Kevin will be acquitted and pronounced a shining beacon for Wikipedia, whilst everyone else is accused of incivility, being cruel to animals, willfully destroying the planet and generally having a detrimental effect on mankind. However, if anyone tries to drag me in, then I shall be more than willing to opine very loudly and forcefully indeed. Otherwise, I shall be conserving my energy and enjoying my Christmas.   Giano    (talk) 12:04, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Kevin Gorman case
Hi Giano, I have collapsed your evidence, as it is a response to material that Kevin has now removed from his own evidence. The scope of the case is limited to Kevin's use of the tools, not the actions of anyone else, and Kevin will be reminded of that. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC).
 * That's fine. Very sensible. Thank you Lankiveil. Howver, I was thinking morse specifically of his half dozen or so mentions of me on the evidence talk page. It really is unnecessary. As I keep repeating, like a parrot, I am not responsible for Kevin's behaviour with or without his tools. Giano    (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kevin Gorman
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by that: This case shall be suspended from December 22nd, 2015 to January 2nd, 2016. For the Arbitration Committee, Amortias (T)(C) 20:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Motion


 * Oh FGS, just give him the slap on the wrist (which is all that's going to happen anyway) and put the rest of us out of our misery. Watching this case, at this time of year, is like watching an overacting Tiny Tim being set upon by every other Wikipedian overplaying Scrooge. Because I don't have a sentimental or sympathetic bone in my body, this all becoming too dull and repetitive for words.  Giano    (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Holiday
Actually I dropped by to wish you, your family, and your friends a very happy holiday. I see above however, that at least I'm not alone in my thoughts on other things. . Anyway - I do wish you joy and contentment over the holiday season. Thank you also for all your help and support in other things. Best always. — Ched : ?  01:00, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ched, I've just logged on and see I have yet again been mentioned by our friend, but I have yet to look and see what observations he's making this time. Anyhow, I wish you a very Merry Christmas; when I first came to England, I was told by the real Lady C (who at the time was very vocal and very much alive) that one should never wish anyone a Merry Christmas as it implied "drunkenness and God knows what else." So in the hope that everyone receives some "God knows what else" and lots of it, I wish you all a Merry christmas. Giano    (talk) 10:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As all things appear to be "suspended" for the time, I shall take no further notice. Being of peasant stock, and lacking the social graces of culture - I will be limited to pedestrian forms of alcohol; still, I shall embrace my limited means with joy and appreciation.  Somewhere inside there is an "inner peace" - and I will search for that.  I wish you a very Merry Christmas Giano, and I hope the coming year offers you much better than the past one did. All my best. — Ched :  ?  11:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ched. As you know, 2015 has been the worst year ever. But that means things can only get better.....I hope. Giano    (talk) 12:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement 2 case closed
''You are receiving this message because you are a party or offered a preliminary statement and/or evidence in the Arbitration enforcement 2 case. This is a one-time message.''

The has been closed, and the following remedies have been enacted:

1.1) The Arbitration Committee confirms the sanctions imposed on Eric Corbett as a result of the Interactions at GGTF case, but mandates that all enforcement requests relating to them be filed at arbitration enforcement and be kept open for at least 24 hours.

3) For his breaches of the standards of conduct expected of editors and administrators, Black Kite is admonished.

6) The community is reminded that discretionary sanctions have been authorised for any page relating to or any edit about: (i) the Gender Gap Task Force; (ii) the gender disparity among Wikipedians; and (iii) any process or discussion relating to these topics, all broadly construed.

For the Arbitration Committee, Kharkiv07  ( T ) 02:41, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard


 * One despairs, one really does. Giano    (talk) 18:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2015 (UTC)