User talk:Giano II/archive 4

Happy New Year
Happy New Year!&mdash;Theo (Talk) 00:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Felice Anno Nuovo! Paul August &#9742; 06:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Bad news
My digital camera got broken on New Years Eve in a bizarre accident with a 40 year old woman dressed as a smurf, a sofa and several bottles of white wine. And I haven't been able to get a pic of that Regency pub in Market Square. Terribly sorry, I'll see what I can do to borrow a camera from someone. -- Francs2000 00:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Bishonen
I suppose you also assume that I'm a sock puppet of... uh, myself, despite having no access to other user accounts, right? &mdash;Empty Wallow | Wollaw Ytpme 20:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message, I could not care less if you are the Virgin Mary or Winnipeg Winifred, but you certainly seem to be a busy lady! Giano | talk 20:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I reside in Toronto, but thanks anyway! &mdash;Empty Wallow | Wollaw Ytpme 21:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Mail!
You have mail! Bishonen | talk 13:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Cynna Neele FAC
While I see what Geogre was getting at, I'm not sure it's particuarly actionable unless I'm given some more information about what sort of "wider context" you're looking for. Ambi 08:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying. I don't think it's disputable that she's notable - she's a national representative and former national MVP, and a Factiva search comes up with quite a bit over a thousand hits for her. Yet she simply hasn't done anything overly notable off court. She went to high school, and played netball. She went to university, and played netball. She was unemployed for the best part of a year, and played netball. What little off-field information there is to know is already mentioned, as is the identity of her partner. It seems like you're asking me to find information on things that not only do I not have anything about, but that didn't happen, which isn't really actionable. Ambi 08:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I agree with you on that, and often object to articles being featured using similar criteria. The problem here is not that I can't find the information, or that it's scarce, but that (to my knowledge) nothing else actually happened. Elite netball in Australia, by its very nature, requires an almighty time commitment, usually requiring juggling either full-time study or full-time work with professional sport. It isn't like, say, professional football, where there's a lot to say about their off-field lives, because not only isn't there much information (the netball press is hardly the gossip type), but they often don't really have much of a one. I could maybe find something about her character/personality, but apart from that, I think I've said all that really can be said about Neele. Ambi 09:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just me :-)
&mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

peace?
Giano, I'd like nothing better than to make peace with you. If my campaign to raise standards on the FAC page is not to your liking, I'm sorry for that. I'm probably more pushy than I used to be. Again, I'm sorry to have offended you originally over the Sicilian Baroque article.

You're welcome to converse on my page about any matter that concerns you, including any of my actions; my door is open. In addition, if you ever require assistance on any matter, please ask. Tony 10:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

In addition, I've taken note of your point that I'm sometimes sarcastic in my reviews; I can't guarantee complete purity on that, but I'll try not to be sarcastic. Tony 10:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, all the same, I understand that some people put a lot of effort into an article, and it's rather easy to cause offence. So I think they'll respond better if I don't vent my frustrations in that way. :-) Tony 10:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Intarsia?
At Sicilian Baroque: "Church interiors with a profusion of inlaid coloured marble set into both floor and walls. This particular form of intrinsica developed in Sicily from the 17th century." I'm pretty sure that's a slip for intarsia, unless this is a specifically Sicilian term for opere di commesse as produced in two places: in Florence at the Opificio delle Pietre Dure and thus called by the milordi "Pietra Dura" which they shipped home from Livorno in the form of table and commode tops. It was a specialty also of royal workshops... in Naples! (I'm ashamed to know this kind of stuff: how is it that neither of us has contributed a word at Scagliola? Sicily must be the mother lode for scagliola: "...the scagiola mines of Palermo blah blah blah..." ) --Wetman 13:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography
Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
 Francs2000's Bureaucratship 

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 21:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at Accueil
Dear Giano,

Great news ! The French article about Sicilian Baroque has just been promoted to FA status following a spectacular gathering of favorable votes, and will be displayed on the main page until tomorrow.

Take care,


 * Manchot sanguinaire, January 11th 2005 9:41 AM


 * That is fantastic news, and a complete credit to your translation. Wonderful that it is on the French main page too, and a great coincidence as I have a page on the English main page tomorrow.  Well done you should be very pleased with yourself. Congratulations. Giano | talk 11:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Nice FA
Good work on Holkham Hall. JHMM13 (T | C)  15:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

My talk page
Please don't taunt the Americans. My camera is at Jessop's being looked at, and should be operational soon. -- Francs2000 23:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Just look at all these little flags appearing we could have a picnic Giano | talk 23:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC)



F***king camera
Never mind, I see it was a joke :-) Io non parlo il italiano!  Anyway, cheers,  It was a pleasure to have met you.  ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fucking asterisks. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Referring to the edit summary "must be American," I only used the fucking asterisks so I would not hear someone coming up to me with WP:CIVIL, but I see you all are alright with this kind of thing. ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm American too. I'm offending myself as I type ;-) &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to see a user with more than generous use of curse words, follow this link - or go better yet see his forum! ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am finding all this profanity on my page very upsetting.  Would certain American editors please remember you are not in the Bronx now, but in Sicilian territory - an area of deep learning, culture, and sophistication. Giano | talk 07:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah! Please try to do Old Europe justice when you're in Gianoland. It's simple, really: don't say fuck and don't trip over those horses' heads. Bishonen | talk 12:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC).


 * I live in Florida so I know nothing about the Bronx. I love you, man!  ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  * 15:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

architecture
Hi Giano

Well, I feel like an empty shell when it comes to architecture; and this country is a real mixed bag in terms of its built environment, like much of the New World. I'll have a look tonight, when I finish with clients. Cheers. Tony 00:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The article appears to be at an early stage; perhaps I'd be more useful after some Australian experts from the field have developed it more. I've left a few pointers on the talk page about the lead.

I'd vote 'mild delete' for the bio-infobox, which is usually redundant and sometimes a nuisance. But when I hit 'edit', the edit box is blank (the other sections on that page seem to work normally—strange). Tony 11:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Olga Rudge
I'll have a look if/when I have a moment in the next few days. (I also need to have a proper look at Rainbow to attempt to derail a WP:FARC). -- ALoan (Talk) 10:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

R A Lawson pic
Hi Giano - thought you'd like to know that I travelled around some of the towns south of Dunedin the other day, and I took my f***ing camera :). There is now a picture of Tokomairiro Presbyterian Church, Milton, on the Robert Lawson (architect) page. Grutness...wha?  22:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Grutness must have some attachments for his camera that I didn't even know existed. Maybe that explains why he takes photos so much better than mine (couldn't be anything to do with skill level, could it?).-gadfium 00:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * you have to go to very specialist camera shops for an attachment like that :) My photos aren't that good, either, but I do tinker with the levels in photoshop before uploading them, which is probably what improves them if anything, but I wouldn't say they're particularly brilliant or anything. Re: the list of buildings, I may have extended that a little, but nmost of them will have been your work, i think. And as to our language always being polite, to quote a NZ advertising campaign, "yeah, right...". Grutness...wha?  04:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Gotha redux
Thanks for the reply. By the way, I decided to be bold and updated your article on Almanach de Gotha, but this may need more work. Also, as I see that you are interested in Baroque architecture, you may be interested to check my latest article, Johann Bernhard Fischer von Erlach, and improve it. Cheers, Ghirla | talk 04:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Giano, many thanks for your kind note on my talk page. To tell you the truth, I'm not such a perfectionist as to work on one article for more than an hour and a half. Furthermore, my command of the language is too limited for such ambitious ventures as FAs. I usually write articles when I spot a red link to a potentially great subject or when I see a pitiable stub on some great artist, as was the case with my recent expansions of Carlo Fontana, Mansart the Elder, and now Fischer von Erlach. I don't have enough motivation or wordsmithship to work with these now that the articles were unstubbed. Let me thank you for your helpful suggestions but I believe I'm entitled to move them to the article talk, where someone more energetic and interested in the subject then myself could make use of them when improving the article in future.--Ghirla | talk 23:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

William Wardell
I'm afraid I don't know anything about Wardell other than that he seems to have designed most of the churches in central Melbourne. I suggest you try the Australian Dictionary of Biography, which is available in public and university libraries. I wasn't aware that he had a house in St Kilda. If you can find out where it is I would be happy to photograph it. Adam 12:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Benjamin Mountfort
Since I was unable to comply with your request for pictures from across the ditch, I've taken some shots of St Mary's church in Parnell, which you might like to use in the Benjamin Mountfort article. I have more shots than the ones I've uploaded, including some rather poor interior shots, so let me know if you want them. I can easily go back if you want closeups of anything specific.

Also, do let me know if you're writing on any other subject for which photos from Auckland or Northland may come in handy.-gadfium 03:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

A question
Given all your good work with FA's and the like, and the fact that you've now got nearly 6000 edits in just over a year... isn't it about time you considered running for admin? I'd gladly nominate you, if you like... Grutness...wha?  09:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For those of you watching this place nervously with bated breath - I have decided to decline Grutness's kind offer, and concentrate on writing - which is what you should all be doing right now! Go on get on with it, before I change my mind! Giano | talk 09:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * ah well... if you change your mind let me know. In the meantime, here's a consolation prize ;) Grutness...wha?  09:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, go on - I think all editors in good standing should be admins: it shares the work out further, and the admin tools are useful to all editors (rolling back vandalism, blocking persistent vandals, deleting pages where necessary). -- ALoan (Talk) 12:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Good catch at FAC Bayreuth Festival, "Puzzled"
It's quite surprising this doesn't happen more often, I suppose. The first time you nominate something is hard enough when there isn't an old version. Nice catch! Bishonen | talk 21:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC).

Wellington etc.
Hi, if it is policy it is ridiculous..what other encyclopedia/biographical dictionary use these antiquated addresses? Arniep 15:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. please see my comments on the matter here Giano | talk 18:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, its not a Brit thing, it's just something a few people on WP seem to have decided. In British biographical dictionaries those styles or addresses are not included. I strongly think it should be changed. Arniep 19:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Looking for picture of Palazzo Pitti
Hi Giano, I need your help. Don't be afraid, I don't need any translation. But I saw, that you posted that nice pictures with several plans of the Palazzo Pitti and I have an exam on that topic soon. I'd love to have a closer look at the picture, but the resolution is too low. So I want to ask, if you can tell me, where you got the picture from or if you have it in a higher resolution. Thanks in advance, Sarah (atout@gmx.de) 16:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good
The Most Noble Giano. It has a certain ring to it, you know. ;-D SlimVirgin (talk) 19:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Tarquin Chinless-Barnstar
Is it really true that Wikipedia policy says all articles about British Dukes dead and alive have to begin "The Most Noble" Tarquin Chinless-Wonder?

Users who make me smile get rewarded. Absolute classic, that. Keep up the good work, and good luck getting this one resolved. Jtdirl is often a complete bugger to deal with. Rob Church (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

A comment
Arniep 00:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Replying nevertheless
I've unprotected my page, so now you can see the fruits and nuts converge on me. See this thread. Bishonen | talk 02:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC).

Image:Visconti56.jpg
Greetings. Back in October you uploaded Image:Visconti56.jpg. It doesn't have an image tag, and it isn't used in any articles. Mind if I delete it? – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 14:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Bob McEwen
Greetings, Giano! You voted to support my FAC for James Aubrey, for which I say thanks. I wonder if you would support my current candidate, Bob McEwen: Featured article candidates/Bob McEwen. PedanticallySpeaking 16:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Styles
Hi, I posted last night but it got a bit lost under the barrage. Arniep 16:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the debate is rambling on a bit. IMO we should follow the same conventions as other standard reference works, i.e. just use Sir and no other honorifics. Arniep 16:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong link
Never mind about the link, I got you loud and clear without it, I've responded at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. Bishonen | talk 18:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Aren't you always reminding me I stink at crosswords?
How about "unascertainable"? Bishonen | talk 12:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC).

Monarchists
Oh, I think User:Adam Carr was very definitely implying that monarchists would be against these changes. Difficult to read his posts any other way. -- Necrothesp 15:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if that is the case, he looks to be proved wrong. I have changed about 20 "Most Nobles", including the high profile Wellington and Marlborough and so far not a murmur.  What though has concerned me a little, as I look at these pages for the first time,  is the very poor quality minimal content of some of these Duke's entries, which leads me to wonder why they are here at all. take for instance George Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, 3rd Duke of Sutherland, I'm very surprised no one has volunteered him for deletion, apart from enjoying his own name, and marrying a non notable woman and having 5 non notable children what has he done to be here.  I do wonder if it is not this sort of vacuous page which irritates those with less interest in the subject.  Perhaps those that want to see a compete peerage here, should wait until they have more information (assuming there is any) before creating these dreadful stubs.  I note the most thrilling piece of intelligence on that page is "George Granville Sutherland-Leveson-Gower (1850–1858), died young."  I rather think we could have worked that out for ourselves.  I am not against the members of the peerage appearing here, but at least let then be notable for more than being born.  Their pages should conform to the same rules as all other notable people here.  Giano | talk 16:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I suspect many people would like every holder of every title here. -- Necrothesp 16:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I suspect some might too, but that's not really the answer is it, a lot of people like me just want to see a comprehensive well informed encyclopedia, and half those pages are not well informed or comprehensive, in fact they tell us nothing. Giano | talk 16:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it is important to have a full history of the breeding stock for the current crop of competitors in the Upper Class Twit of the Year competition. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That comment is hardly helpful BoG! But thank you for you interest. Giano | talk 17:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I disagree: that page tells a lot: that the chap was a Duke, when he was Duke, when he was born and died, who his first wife was (not non-notable, by the way: she was a Mistress of the Robes and was created a Countess in her own right) and his second wife, who his children were and some of their relevant dates. What it does not do is tell us much about what the chap did, but in that way it is no worse than many other stubs. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If his wife was Mistress of the Robes, why is the page not on her instead then. Or are women on wikipedia only represented through their husbands.   Obviously in her role as Mistress of the Robes she influenced  many global events.  However,  I don't think just being a Duke makes one notable,  they are hardly a rare or endangered species there must be many thousand world wide, or do you only want to see non-notable British dukes - I can think of quite a few obscure Italian noblemen who could nave a page too if you want to see that type of thing. Giano | talk 17:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * AND if she was that famous and had the gumption to be made a countess why not merge his dull old page into her's? I shall shortly be starting a series on the lesser known Dukes of Castelluzzo you'll find them riveting ALoan especially the one who like to do his own Christmas shopping. Giano | talk 17:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * She already has a page - Anne Sutherland-Leveson-Gower, Duchess of Sutherland. Anyway, I have added the dates of George's short parliamentary career in the lower house, places of marriage (Cliveden! Florida!) and death, and some external links. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I say, the more the merrier. I'm all for Italian cleavage ... er peerage. Are the Dukes of Castelluzzo anything like the Dukes of Hazard.? Paul August &#9742; 19:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * No they are not. Now calm down - you are becoming over exited, go and flog yourself or  have a cold shower or something Giano | talk 21:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, how blissful it is, Giano, to have missed the whole uproar. I've put my oar in a similar stretch of water over the provincial vulgarism né that only appears in the biographies of popes. The proles do seem to swing between being absurdly impressed and absurdly dismissive...Wetman 08:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message. My problem is that from writing architecture one does seem to come into contact with the aristocracy.  I have no problem with them, or those who wish to deify them.  My problem comes from pages which are less than glorious, relating nothing more than their less than interesting children.  I can deduct from the minimal information that a child born in 1890 and died in 1895 "died young", and have yet to meet a Duke referred to as as "The Most Noble" on anything other than a command from Buckingham Palace, and even HM is dropping a lot of the formality.  So to see all this pompous piffle  here is deeply irritating.  I suspect the European aristos (while more often than not better bred) would encounter a less welcoming atmosphere - and if they were low achievers too, quite rightly. Giano | talk 08:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The Most Noble
I just want some kind of style kept in. We were only using "The Most Noble" before because it's what goes in front of "Forenames, Duke of X" &mdash; now we're just stating the conventional style ("The Duke of X") "His Grace" is the appropriate one to use so I'm quite happy sticking to it. Proteus (Talk) 20:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * But all peers are inherently notable not through their peerage alone but due to their membership of the House of Lords (or the Scottish and Irish Houses of Lords), and it seems to be an accepted principle that anyone who has been a member of a national legislature is automatically notable enough for inclusion. (Some articles on minor MPs are equally short and stubby, yet no one objects to them.) Proteus (Talk) 21:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Proteus is quite right to state that members of national legislatures are regarded as automatically notable. Any hereditary peer before 1999 falls into that category. The solution to stubby articles on peers isn't to delete them but rather to expand them. Mackensen (talk) 21:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I obviously agree that full and detailed articles are better than stubs, but stubs are still better than nothing at all. Proteus (Talk) 22:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Not dead yet!
Thank you for your concern, Giano. I'm still around, though mostly because I'm busy with WP-unrelated matters I've radically pruned my watchlist, which further reduces the amount of work I do here, et cetera. (Odd: perhaps half of even the small number of articles to which I make changes are on subjects of absolutely no interest to me.)

A popular travel (?) magazine here recently published a lavishly illustrated hors série volume on Sicily (with a considerable amount of text by an acquaintance of mine). I enjoyed seeing a number of familiar buildings for the first time. -- Hoary 05:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no, the author I mentioned isn't WP-related! If you email me your "street address", I'll send you a copy. -- Hoary 11:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Styles clarification
Hi, your comments would be appreciated at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28biographies%29. Thanks Arniep 22:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I came here on the same errand. Bishonen | talk 23:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

Great Scott!
This guy? Admin? You have to be kidding me. Bishonen | talk 23:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC).



Giano and Bishonen, we've had our differences in the past, and for my part in them I sincerely apologize. None of us came off looking very good following those unfortunate events. Which is all the more reason we need to put them behind us and move on with our work. You are both strong contributors and important members of this community. I respect that, so please accept my apologies in the spirit (no pun intended) of good faith and good humour in which they are intended. If we cannot be friends, at least let us not be enemies any longer...irregardless of whether I'm voted in or not. I regret both my actions and not approaching you sooner on this matter. But hey, better late than... Ciao--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 09:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I am very happy with the way I came off thank you very much, and I would imagine Bishonen feels the same way. I note  your contrition - anything special about the timing? Giano | talk 09:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you put is thusly, why yes there is. Should I become a sysop this time around, I want to start with a Tabula rasa without anyone on my "enemy" list nor me being on anyone else's. Such things are "baggage" which can cloud objective and fair judgement. Moreover, as a Sysop I would feel obliged to try and make this a better place for all dedicated, talented editors of good faith. And there is no better place to start than by trying to put my own house in order first. I'm not asking for your nor Bishonen's support here, merely admitting to my wrongs and hopeing you both accept my contrition like the highly intelligent, cultured and civilized souls you both are. The timing for the ending of a petty feud should be secondary to the fact of it ending. So please, again, let's end ours now.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 10:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but I see right through you Ghost. If you had come here even a couple a weeks ago I would have given you the benefit of the doubt.  NOW? Credit me with some intelligence.  There seem to be enough people happy for you to become an admin. as it is, so please do not bother coming here with your belated platitudes again because they cut no ice.  I do not consider you to have a safe enough pair of hands to be an admin.  I shall not be changing my vote but waiting for time to prove me right. Giano | talk 10:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * See right through me...(LAUGHS) good one. At least I came to you with platitudes instead of an attitude along with good faith and sincerety. Ghirlandajo accepted, I don't see why you can't...err won't...nevermind. I thought when you once quipped "Even old Ghosty has a soft spot" there might be some hope for us. Seems I was wrong, but all the same, I look forward to proving you wrong. Buonasera, --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 11:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Why all this hostility? May I ask what all this anger is about? It seems unwarranted.... Spawn Man 00:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC). BTW, I'd watch who you call a kid mister dry cracker! I'm not just a "bunch of kids mucking about". I don't know what's going on here, & I probably never will know, but don't call me a kid again; Many a smarmy neanderthal has fallen prey to my fury after they think they know better.... Read my edit summary to see what I think about you right now...
 * Sweet! Giano | talk 22:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Palazzo del Te
A third opinion is required on this edit. --Ghirla | talk 15:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Giano, I reverted your changes, as I think that the current phrasing is just fine. I cannot say the same about my latest article, The Passage, which you are welcome to check. --Ghirla | talk 17:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I had little experience with him but, as best I can judge, Ghost is a bully with a nasty sense of humor who aims to please those wikipedians he respects and to persecute those he disregards. I know him too little to make any valid conclusions, however. I'm surprised that Bishonen didn't vote and that Spawn Man retracted his vote.--Ghirla | talk 17:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken: I did not support. I will take my time and cast my vote before the voting is over. --Ghirla | talk 17:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I will certainly vote. I just thought I ought to first give the candidate a chance to respond to the concerns I've posted in the questions section. Well, or to obviously ignore them, which he can't be said to have done yet. The nominator running around planting childish insults on Oppose voters isn't helping his cause any, that's for sure. (Spawn Man didn't really retract his vote btw; that was his idea of a practical joke.) Bishonen | talk 05:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

Restoration spectacular
Bravo Giano! Worth the wait in line for tickets! (How is my application of the Dryden quote at Bathos?) --Wetman 05:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sadly, (and because Bishonen may see this) I can claim no credit for Restoration Spectacular - I am merely the promoter - the effort and glory belong entirely to Bishonen. I'm afraid bathos, English humour and Dryden are all a complete mystery to me.  My entire knowledge of Dryden was once having my advice very publicly and humiliatingly ignored for a proposed project at Canons Ashby, which despite the impression created in it's publicity blurb is a very tenuous link indeed. Giano | talk 08:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Wetman, I love you, you're the absolutely first person to my knowledge to appreciate those parts of Dover Pier. I thought it was one of the funniest things I'd ever read. :-) Bishonen | talk 11:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC).

The Passage
Giano, I want to thank you for having found time to retouch my article. Please remember that your edits are always most welcome and appreciated. --Ghirla | talk 15:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Buckingham Palace
Could you comment on this please. I know nothing of this subject and it needs to be accurate in the article. Thank you Giano | talk 19:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The detail about the £5,000 may be correct (though the source doesn't sound like a scholarly history book), but whether the Prime Minister was paid £5,000 or £10,000 he could afford new clothes. It is quite possible that the Prime Minister received more than one salary in the past as the office was rather amorphous. In any case the anecdote is out of the article and this new information supports leaving things that way, so it isn't necessary to tie the figure down. On the other hand it would be good to do so in the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom article, but I'm not going to add this information to that as I don't fully trust the source. Honbicot 09:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

"equal"
Yes, I know the definition, and it has nothing to do with what I was saying, which is why I was, and still am confused. I have already responded on WP:AN. I DONT think they are "equal". IMO, homosexuality is a hell of lot more "normal", but that is besides the point I was, and am, making. Please avoid citing dictionary definitions for basic words like that, as it is a bit offensive. I think this silly little template is getting to everyone. These userboxes do nothing but divide, that is why I hate them. If have not already done so, go to the templates's TFD and vote delete, like I did. Thanks. Voice of  All T 18:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Your comment here "No one is "equating" them...whatever that means" suggested to me you did not understand the term. Giano | talk 18:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC

Blocked
I have blocked you indefinitely from Wikipedia for hate speech and inciting attacks on other users on Administrators' noticeboard. If you feel you can refrain from further attacks, contact me or another administrator to be unblocked. --Carnildo 22:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see nothing that looks like hate speech or inciting attacks, so I removed the block. Even if there were any examples, indefinite blocks can't just be thrown around on a whim.  Such serious allegations are what RfC and RfAr are for.  Worldtraveller 23:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Unbefuckinglievable
You were BLOCKED? Now I've seen it all. Input here. Bishonen | talk 23:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC).
 * I saw your question to Worldtraveller. Think of the time these things take! But if you nevertheless want to, this is how.
 * A)You're supposed to start with a Request for comment, see this page for admin action RFCs. You edit this template. You'd need to get together with the other two blocked miscreants to write up and endorse it.
 * B) That's the slow way, though, infuriatingly so. You might want to go straight to a Request for arbitration on something like this, because then you can directly demand de-adminship by the ArbCom. The chances of getting it would be smaller without the preparatory RfC, though. Look at the requests already in place on the RFAR page and do like that. Again, I think statements from El C and Carbonite would be essential, you'd need to talk with them. But first perhaps to sleep on it? Bishonen | talk 00:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC).
 * Also best to swallow your 1001% understandable anger long enough at least to make some good-faith efforts to have a real conversation with Carnildo about why he did that... attempts to have that conversation would probably be a prerequisite before ArbCOm would accept a case of this nature. (Also a prerequisite for filing an RfC, for that matter.) &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Breaking news. Jimbo desysops Carnildo, at least for the night. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you won't have to jump through any of the hoops I described above — the relief! — the ArbCom is already on it. Take care. Bishonen | talk 02:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC).
 * A regular Deus ex machina. Seems to be a bit of an angry old-testament style deus at the moment: . &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You can count on my support in defrocking the guy who blocked you and the like. When I was blocked last New Year eve for having fended off sock puppets of a vandal (now permabanned from editing) it took me two weeks to think it over and return to editing. Prolific contributors need to stand together in order to keep demented admins at bay. --Ghirla | talk 13:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thought for the day.
I'm on a wiki-break while I sort out my views and feelings towards the events of the last 24 hours. At the moment, (bearing in mind this encyclopedia had editors of many ages - including I think one of my own sons) I don't feel I can be part of a project that can send even I a remote signal that a paedophile in any guise is welcome to be here. I note that Jimbo has acted swiftly and decisively so I'll take that as a positive sign.

To the 2 or 3 who may want to leave messages saying "come back" please don't - I hate that when I see it. I may well be back when I've sorted my thoughts out. we'll see. Giano | talk 10:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * What on earth is going on? Gracious me.


 * As requested, I won't leave you a message saying come back, but have a nice wiki-break. The place will be much the poorer without your contribution. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * A catastrophe &mdash; Paul August &#9742; 16:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Me and da' boys gotta meet out at the social club, and then we can take care of this matter quick, badda bing badda boom! Geogre 21:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

RDH's RfA
I was referring to what I perceived as your attempts to get Ghirla to change to opposing RDH. I've just discussed the matter with User:Bishonen (repeatedly), and it turns out that I was utterly, well-and-truly, 100% wrong, and you were doing nothing of the sort. So, I am sorry. Your behaviour during the RfA was just fine, and my comment was incorrect and unfair.

Now ... as for the rest of what you had to say, about washing one's hands, having "abysmal" judgement (and, by extension, being a bad admin), and being sanctimonious? Was that just empty-headed posturing because you were upset with me, or were you really serious? If you were just throwing in extra verbiage to get across the idea that I'd done something wrong, well, mission accomplished, and we'll just leave it at that and pretend nothing ever happened. If you truly, honestly have an issue with my judgement, then this is a Very Bad Thing. Nobody wants administrators with poor judgement or standards. I'd be very grateful if you can point out problems you've had with me in the past, and how I can improve. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 13:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration
A request for arbitration where you have been listed as a party has been opened by Raul654 (per Jimbo Wales). Please see Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war, as well as provide evidence at /Evidence and comment on proposals at /Workshop. —Locke Cole • t • c 13:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Right! The wikibreak is over
I have not got a clue what I am supposed to do with the above discussion. So I shall do what I always do - put a spoke in the wheel where I think it is needed.
 * ALoan: Thank you for the kind thought.
 * Paul: Don't over dramatise.
 * Geogre: You don't know the first thing about fighting dirty - leave that to me.
 * Fuddlemark: You really don't want to be here - it could be dangerous

Onwards and upwards. Giano | talk 23:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Excelsior! (Click on the link, it's good, it could help you retain the use of your head!) Bishonen | talk 02:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC).
 * Uhhh, Tony Sidaway insisting that a quote has to be in italics and then not turning it off so the whole explicatory passage is in italic? Is Giano going to march up a hill?  Geogre 15:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Plan of Buckingham Palace
I've been looking at your plan of Buckingham Palace, and I have a hunch you have overestimated the size of the original house. It was a nine bay wide building, and in all probability it had a double pile plan, that is it was two rooms deep. The main block as it stands now is effectively three rooms deep. I don't know if you've been inside, but if you have, you may remember that that the picture gallery is a wide room, not the narrow corridor shown on you plan. I believe it has been used as a dining room on occasion. Thus I suspect that the rear set of rooms was completely new. Also, I don't think the projecting sections, such as the one occupied by room E, were part of the original house. if you look at this photo of the garden front there is space for three bays were the bow window is, so there could be nine as in the original house without the projecting sections. On the other hand, additions were made to the house in George III's time, but these were mainly at ground level I think. But if my hunch is right, perhaps it would be better to amend the plan. Honbicot 00:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Following on from your reply I think the plan should stay as it gives a good overview and some people don't even realise the palace has a courtyard. But if you can tweak it a little, that would be good of course. Honbicot 17:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Mountfort
Hi Giano, Following your request (of five months ago!), I've taken a couple of Mountfort-related photos that I thought you might be interested in (e.g. this one, this one, and these two). I'll try and get a few more in the coming months, preferably while the skies are still blue! Cheers - Gobeirne 06:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Removal of my comments at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war/Workshop
Any reason for the removal of my comments? Steve block talk 22:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've done it. I didn't know if they'd been removed for a reason, maybe moved to another subpage.  I don't know how it happened either; a right wierd one. Steve block  talk 22:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it
They don't have Scottish terriers in beautiful Sicily? Did the goats eat them all? &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

"Countship" (sic)
User:Fastifex is rapidly changing "county" to "countship", i.e. County of Foix, at every appearance. This strikes me as a particularly foolish Wikipedianism. What do you think? --Wetman 14:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Palazzo Te
I modified back Palazzo Te article to my version. Ghirlandajo's version was good, but ABSOLUTELY not according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style. See Talk Page for a reasonable point of view... hope this won't begin an edit war. If my English is bad, or some info missing, I think you could correct or add, don't you agree? Let me know. Attilios



Final decision
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war case Raul654 23:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Holmes
Greetings! You commented on the article Katie Holmes when it was on WP:FAC. I've redone the article and hope to renominate it on FAC soon. But in the meantime, I'd be grateful for your comments on WP:PR at Peer review/Katie Holmes/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 21:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding User:Giano/Thomas Sayers
Hi, just wanted to remind you of the "move" feature, please use it rather than cut & paste to move pages around, even from your own user subpages. That way the edit history wich is required for GFDL compliance is not lost (not rely a problem in this case seeing as you are the only editor, but still). I merged the history from the subpage with the main article, so no problem just keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --Sherool (talk) 17:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I have created articles in this way may times - with no problem at all. I am aware how to move a page and of edit histories.  In future I shall create articles in a word processor file.  I see no advantage to the early edits and birth pangs on an article often full of mistakes in an edit history. Giano | talk 17:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, Giano - surely the point of creating the article in your userspace is precisely to avoid having the edit history littered with you correcting your own typos. Nothing matters in that edit history before you cut and pasted it to artile space.  Would you like me to delete the "birth pangs" again?


 * Now, if I had done a light copyedit first... -- ALoan (Talk) 17:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah ALoan, thank you - please copy edit and do as you see fit - actually the page should probably have the history too of Tom Sayers but that was just a 1911 text dump and nothing of it remains - I'll leave it in your capable hands to sort it all out - all these multiple admins everywhere, perhaps they should take something like a driving test before being allowed out! Giano | talk 18:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I've just realised that thing of Bishonen's moves about - Remarkable! Giano | talk 18:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, that, 'tis nothing. You think the icosahedron is remarkable, get a load of the cute cyclic wikimood animation on my page. :-) Bishonen | talk 00:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC).
 * What?! You just realized it moves?! Paul August &#9742; 04:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Heresy! Recant, or we'll take you to the Holy Office.  (Besides, it only moves some of the time, with some of the browsers.  It doesn't move when I'm at home (and Bishonen's flower is a withered stalk), but it does at work.  Same browser.  Geogre 16:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahh, It doesn't always move? Then perhaps I owe Giano an apology for questioning his ability to see. Paul August &#9742; 16:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)]

As a matter of fact it moves perfectly, but only after the page has been accessed for 30 seconds or so - we don't all have the time to spend hours gloating over our own pages. Personally I only copme here for instructions on how to footnote my fascinating pages! Giano | talk 17:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * Well done, sir :) -- ALoan (Talk) 18:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I thought you had nominated it... I wonder who did. I'll re-copyedit it.


 * Harvard is ugly however you do it :) I would recommend the new &lt;ref> style, which is simplicity itself.  Look at, oh, Medici Vase. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have more vases - see Borghese Vase - and there are redlinks on another of mine, Gardens of Sallust - to fill in.  The Ludovisi Throne sounds interesting, but I have been concentrating on getting List of Law Life Peerages in shape today.


 * Yes, you put the footnote text inside &lt;ref> ... &lt;/ref> tags (always remembering the second one, otherwise it fails horribly), and then add a usual "References" section with a &lt;references /> tag in it. Simple! And, yes, it works automagically.  The FAC crowd swoon when they see it :)  You can also add a "name" to the &lt;ref> (&lt;ref name="Fred_p21">) so you can use it more than once.  I think Saffron is the epitome at the moment, although it puts the &lt;references /> tag in a "Notes" section, and has a separate "References" section referred to by the Notes, which themselves use Harvard style using the Harv template (which I had not seen until just now).  -- ALoan (Talk) 21:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Let me try a simpler stab at it. First, put the magic tag '''.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. Shyam ( T / C ) 19:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read information provided with image upload. Thank you. Giano | talk 07:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Gargleblaster


It is actually a goat food processor. Thanks. Giano | talk 07:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Simon Byrne featured
Yet another triumph! :-) Bishonen | börk börk börk 11:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC).
 * ..........and thanks to all of you too for the help with the copyediting etc. You're not a bad bunch (no pun intended) really.  Especially ALoan for the "footnote spectacular"! 16:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Your keep vote on Economics at WP:FARC
Hi Giano, could you please have a look at the Economics entry at FARC? I've asked you a question concerning your vote. Thanks! Mi kk er (...) 19:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As the one seeking to alter the status quo you have two choices, either to argue your case, or not to argue your case. I can understand the article perfectly and am happy with it.  - You seem to have chosen an opposing view.  So you can either stand by your view, or you can edit the article to become even more comprehensive that it is at the moment.  I look forward to your future editing and improvement of this already featured article. Giano | talk 19:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Have replied... We seem to disagree :) Mi kk er (...) 20:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Sanssouci
Just want to let you know I really like your helping hand on that article. It's getting better all the time. Really appreciate it. --Mmounties ( Talk )  22:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't mean that!  I really think you're doing a bang-up job.  I knew we weren't quite ready but one it's nominated more people look at it, and then someone like you comes around and help tremendously.  And don't you stop until you're through!  I really, really meant it when I said I appreciate your help.  :)  --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 23:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ab-tholutely! (perhaps compfy, but never liked them either) --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 23:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The message on Bish's page
I didn't revert it myself because it was quasi-official. Antifinnoug has named her as part of an RFAR, and he had to notify all named parties. Not that the RFAR is going to mean anything to Bishonen, of course, as it's going to go entirely against the person lodging it, who is just back from a year's block. Anyway, she's just one of a "gang" named, and I'd recommend to her anyway letting the others be primarily involved, as there isn't a whole lot to say about the guy that hasn't been said and proven before. Geogre 20:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Protocol for nominating FARCs
Hi Giano

Do you think it's time to make an issue of the habit of nominating FAs for removal without giving the required notice on the talk page? I've raised this issue in relation to the most recently nominated article, Wigwag. What do you think? Tony 04:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It probably is time, but it is also time to find some hard and fast rules for dealing with the FARC subject as a whole, of all Wikipedia's ill-thought out pages - FARC  is probably the worst.  If a page is found to be full of bad, or false information that should be a criteria for FARC.  If there are no references whatsoever that should be also.  English prose etc. would have all been checked at the original FAC and judged acceptable.  If a page is considered by a nominator to be non-comprehensive, then in order to have made that judgement, they must be capable of adding it themselves, likewise with prose and grammar.


 * On the FARC page I think it sad that editors of no standing or proven ability whatsoever (No, I don't mean you and Taxman, or one or two others.) seem to spend their lives rummaging through old FAs just to nominate them for reasons which they imagine are adequate, in order for others with a similar lack of understanding to come and jump on the bandwagon with their own ill conceived opinions.  What the answer is I'm not sure, left to  me  - only those who had produced an FA, and with 3000 edits would be eligible to nominate and  pass comment (note: I do not say vote - which sadly is what  half of them seem to think it is).  That would not make a clique, as some claim, but an intelligentsia.  There seems to be some sort of intellectual socialism here, which will if not checked will destroy the project.
 * Venceremos! À la lanterne les aristos! Bishonen [[Image:Bishface.tulip.png|14px]] talk 13:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC).
 * At the moment I feel there is tendency here to belittle, rubbish, and destroy what exists, rather than to go forward and expand. That people choose to waste valuable editing time on attempting to bring down good accounts of a subject rather than improve, I find, frankly,  rather sad.  It is also unnecessarily unpleasant for the original editors of a page, who have already gone through the FAC process. I find it very hard to assume good faith when wondering what the frequent nominators are trying to prove with their nominations.  If people wish to be thought intelligent here, there is a very easy way to prove it, and it can be found as a nominator, or even reviewer, on the FAC page rather than  the FARC page. Giano | talk 11:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, Giano, I'll have a look. I've never nominated a FARC myself, but I do think that despite the fact that some people abuse the process, it's part of the cost of having the FA system. Adherence to the 'give notice beforehand' rule might reduce the number of ingenuous nominations. (It might be hard to implement restrictions on nominators and/or reviewers on the FARC page, as much as that is a tempting prospect—in a way, the democratic inclusiveness of the project avoids a lot of potential problems and makes it much easier to administer.) Tony 12:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to jump in middle of conversation. But I fully agree that people should notify in the talk page with details about what is wrong with the article and give time for the editors to address the concerns.  In the India FARC nomination, we have atleast one person who wants to remove the article because of a "tit-for-tat" reaction to a conflict with one of the Indian article editors over PRC article (he even admits it in the FARC nomination). Quite frustrating. --Blacksun 18:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the FARC page provides the perfect environment for score settling, with screams of "assume good faith" from those who know next to nothing about a page's history or, often, the subject itself. Personally, I don't understand why people want to hang out at the bottom end of the scale when the top end the - FAC page itself  - is open to all.  Well we shall just have to assume good faith ourselves as to the answer to that one.


 * I'll support it; really good article—as usual, the rich historical/cultural context in which architecture is discussed is fascinating. Tony 15:30, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yet Another Giano on the Main Page
Hey, have you seen that Buckingham Palace is scheduled for the Main Page ? One of your most attractive pieces IMO. And just think how enriched it'll be with all the input it'll get on the day! :P Bishonen talk 14:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC).

Little me
Tee hee, little me!

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I read you like a book
Oh? You sound very full of yourself, did you request it or something? Bishonen | talk 09:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC).

Eastern Europe
Lazienki is built on a scale of a Russian suburban villa, something like Kuskovo or Ostankino if you ask me. If you want a smart Eastern European park, you may want to check Summer Garden (and Summer Palace, Russia): it could benefit from your attention.

Among the more grandiose complexes, the recent activity of Sanssouci - which I have followed with interest - inspired me to expand Catherine Palace and initiate stubs on some of the structures in the park (Chinese Village, Marble Bridge, Dutch Admiralty, Chesme Column, Kagul Obelisk, Creaking Pagoda). Gatchina and Strelna have not seen a new word added for a year, since I and Wetman listed some basic facts. Pavlovsk and Oranienbaum, Russia - two of the most remarkable palaces in Russia - still require even basic information. Yelagin Palace and Tsaritsino are still on my to-do list.

Also, if you want baroque palaces outside Russia, you may want to check Mariyinsky Palace, Rundāle Palace, or Kadriorg (in Tallinn, no article yet). If you want a Renaissance chateau, there is plenty to say about Litomyšl, Niasviž Castle, and Mir Castle Complex. In a word, Wikipedia's coverage of Eastern European art leaves much to be desired and there are many objects you can choose from. Ghirla -трёп- 08:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Renaissance
If you are looking for something to do, Wikipedia still needs an article on Neo-Renaissance style. If you look at all the links going to that and other variants, you will see that it is requested:


 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Neo-Renaissance
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Neo-renaissance
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Neorenaissance
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Renaissance Revival
 * Special:Whatlinkshere/Renaissance revival

u p p l a n d 09:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope you are not suggesting I become involved with another German translation . Personally I've never regarded the neo-renaissance as a very interesting architectural style, (my view only) - I started a page on Mentmore Towers some time ago, and I see someone has just written Château de Ferrières so perhaps I'm being a little unfair to it.  I'll do a few lines sometime, if no-one beats me to it. Giano | talk 13:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a lot of it, and I don't mind it, really, but then we don't have that much real renaissance architecture in Sweden. (Or much real baroque or anything else. In fact, it's mostly pine forests with wild elks and heering up here.) I hadn't noticed the German article; it isn't very comprehensive but I suppose it could be used as a starting point. Maybe I'll do that myself some day. u p p l a n d 14:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please go on. The article is overdue, as is the article on Neo-Byzantine architecture and Russian Revival, which I plan to write myself some day. For the time being, your work inspired me to initiate Vladimir Palace. Happy edits, Ghirla -трёп- 17:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't want to write it, I was only trying to encourage some-one else, while I had five minutes to spare - I hate that style, it's always overpowering without the grace of the original - shall I put that on the page? Giano | talk 18:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * If there is some quotable critic who has written that, I think you should. At least you made that annoying red link go away. The most interesting thing about all the 19th century historic revival styles is probably the political role they played in different societies and nationalisms. More history than architecture, perhaps. u p p l a n d 19:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah! but that is the secret of all architecture - it was always making a statement about its patrons, and still is, which is why I put so much about the occupants or patrons in my pages - subtle POV! Sadly my statement about overpowering rather than grace (I think refinement is a better English word) is less than subtle POV and all mine so better leave it out. Giano | talk 19:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Having read a little on this now, I am utterly confused. Not only does it seem difficult to draw a clear line between the earlier forms of neo-classicism and neo-renaissance, but many neo-renaissance architects appear to have been promiscuously eclectic and prepared to build in whatever style their clients wanted. I really need to read more on this to be able to write anything remotely coherent. On the whole, I doubt that Swedish neo-renaissance of the Italian type is very interesting or original in a larger European context, but there may be something to be said about the overlap of Swedish National Romanticism and revival of Northern Renaissance style, as in the Nordic Museum in Stockholm (by Isak Gustaf Clason). BTW, one Swedish architect often seen as a neorenaissancist, Fredrik Wilhelm Scholander (who was actually pragmatic at least in the superficial aspects of his architecture, being the architect behind the strange, "Assyrian"-style synagogue in Stockholm and various things in medieval styles), was a student in Paris of Louis-Hippolyte Lebas (1782-1867), where he became a friend of Charles Garnier. u p p l a n d 07:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the comment about the staircase. The building was designed by Bronisław Rogóyski and Stefan Szyller in the late 19th century. The design of the interior gave me the impression that the roof was indeed part of the original design, but I cannot confirm this (I would need to contact the university to find out what is the case, which I will time permitting). Here are some pictures: --Vegalabs 06:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Image:wut-interior.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior2.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior3.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior4.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior5.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior6.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior7.jpg
 * Image:wut-interior8.jpg
 * Image:Wut-interior9.jpg
 * Image:wut-exterior.jpg

Image:Warszawa_Lazienki4.jpg
Commons has a lot of images tagged with their specific template. The Commons template makes it more clear that the notification is a courtesy; we can't expect those mirrors which re-use our content without following the GFDL will track down some third party and write them a nice note. I'd feel pretty comfortable using the image without fear that it might be unexpectedly deleted. See also the Commons gallery of Warsaw Parks for more Łazienki Park images by them; the Polish article seems to be nothing but a gallery of those images. Jkelly 16:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There was a conversation about these images at Commons, by the way. It turns out that the site just wants to know which of its images need to be re-licensed for us to use.  Jkelly 22:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

nice!
Giano—congrats on Sanssouci's promotion. I wasn't able to think of a better word than 'ethos'. :-)  Tony 09:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I just glanced at the article again and you're improvements are great! I agree as well with the removal of the slippers pic. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't believe it. I got back and it's "featured".  Great job! ...and many, many thanks for taking it under your wing on that last stretch. :)  --Mmounties ( Talk )  [[Image:pawprint.png|20px]] 05:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Caserta
From images I have seen, the place is rather depressive. The Baroque in Italy was already dying when construction started. Most of the detail is imitative, original contributions being confined to the landscape and outbuildings such as Vanvitelli's aqueduct. Unfortunately, the integrity of landscape seems to have been compromised by the presence of modern constructions, see here. --Ghirla -трёп- 13:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Neo-baroque
I'm not an expert on architectural styles, and when I expanded the Neo-baroque article, I just moved a section on Neo-Baroque architecture from the Baroque article – where it did not really belong – to Neo-baroque, and padded it out with a diversity of buildings that were mentioned as being Neo-baroque in their own articles and had a picture there that (to my non-expert eye) did not look terribly unbaroquish. The Paris Opera example was moved across with the Neo-Baroque architecture section of Baroque.

If you think the exterior is a better illustration of the buildings's baroqueness, there is a an image here: Image:Palais_Garnier_bordercropped.jpg. Or else feel free to remove this as an example or replace it by a better one (in which case the present image of the interior could perhaps be used as an extra illustration for Palais Garnier). Judging from the images in their respective articles, several other examples also display Renaissance style elements, some perhaps more so than Baroque.

Since you asked my opinion: As a non-expert I already see a large diversity in style in "proper" Renaissance and Baroque architecture, but for these the period gives you an anchor. With "neo" styles you don't have such an anchor, and with the usual eclecticism in these styles all is rather vague, and it is hard to give a good example of a "typical" Neo-baroque building (excluding later copies of existing buildings), let alone a workable definition. And the fuzzier the boundaries, the more people like to argue over them. A similar problem exists for music: are the given examples not equally "neo-classicist"? Lambiam Talk 14:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello! So what about "Ferrières and Mentmore sitting uncomfortably on top of an apartment block"? Can we do something with this image? I also found a more radical sample of Neo-Baroque approach. Please take a look at this picture. When do you think it was built? Check my stub about Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace to learn the answer. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 18:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

ANZ Bank
Giano, Andypasto inserted the following into our (prematurely archived) discussion: "Guys, you've got the wrong building. The building above was demolished years ago and, as far as I am aware had nothing to do with Wardell. This is the one you want - Venetian gothic, I think so. Andypasto 12:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)" I'm confused as to what Andypasto's interesting archival photo shows. Wardell? --00:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

template for advanced notice of FARC nominations
Hi Giano. Wondering what you think of my proposal at. Tony 06:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message, anything that slows the process down, or makes it harder to defeature a page can only be a good thing. I have decided to ignore the FARC page completely, as it is bad for my blood pressure.  I note  your and Taxman's very worthy efforts together with Bishonen, ALoan and BoG's to instill some common sense there, but I have now taken that nasty little page off my watch list.  With few exceptions it seems to be inhabited by editors distinguished only by their mediocrity, and pomposity, whose only raison d'être  seems to be to pull down the hard work of others without attempting to produce anything  in its place.  I take the view that if one is capable of spotting a problem, one is also capable of fixing it.  I wish you luck in what is a very unpleasant area of Wikipedia indeed. I am having nothing more to do with it, and if a page on which I have worked is nominated there, I shall continue to ignore it, and treat it with the contempt and disdain it desearves. Giano | talk 22:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I intend to post messages objecting to each nomination that has not been given the required warning. That's a start. Nominators should also specify the criteria by number, IMV. So let's make them go through the proper process, to start with. Tony 07:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Disappeared Neo-baroque example
Hi. Since you had some interest in Neo-baroque issues, you might be able to help me by giving your opinion. When I fleshed out the Neo-baroque article, I included the State Theatre Košice as an example. Today User:Ghirlandajo removed the example, with edit summary rm fringe sample. Can you think of a reason why he might have done that? I am wondering if he did it just to annoy me, because I reverted another change of his to the article just before that. Lambiam Talk 20:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I know very little about Eastern European architecture, and tend to allow myself to be guided by Ghirlandajo who is very knowledgable on the subject. My experience of this user (I know he will read and see this) is that his edit summaries can be a little short and curt - and he could/should  make them more polite.  That though is his way and I don't think he means to be rude.   He is not spiteful, and I doubt very much he did it to annoy you, or for revenge.  He probably had a good reason for his edit and you should ask him, in my experience he is very earnest and fair in his explanations. Giano | talk 20:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Lambiam, please assume good faith. I removed your image because the Kosice Theatre is, in my opinion, a poor example of Neo-Baroque, especially when compared to such regional gems as the opera theatre in Lemberg. By the way, Giano, I looked through St Pete-related websites and found some more examples which may pertain to the article you work upon: check, , , , , , ,. If you think one of these images may be used in Neo-Renaissance, I will try to find a free picture and start an article on the structure it represents. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Solar eclipse
Hi,

I thought you might want to take a look at my changes in Solar eclipse since you voted in the FA discussion.

Thanks, Nick Mks 14:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Congrats
It looks great on the Main Page. I'm sure HMQ will be logging on imminently to copyedit. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good job again, Giano. HMQ.

Re: Second Empire
Your Boulevard Haussmann picture works fine for me. As for the Opéra, I was (mis)guided by the Britannica which considers the building as "one of the masterpieces of the Second Empire style". Check their entry on "Second Empire style" here. Alain Plessis in "The Rise and Fall of the Second Empire" reasons that "Charles Garnier mingled all genres for the Opéra, which remained unfinished and is in a sense the symbol of the Second Empire style characterized by Zola as an "opulent bastard of all styles"."

The Grove Dictionary of Art, which is usually more competent in such matters, claims that "The style became popular in the 1870s and 1880s for all types of secular building, from city halls and mansions to country cottages. Modelled after the New Louvre in Paris (1853–69) and typified by the Grosvenor Hotel, London (1860–62), and the State, War and Navy Building in Washington, DC (1871–86), it is characterized by mansarded pavilions, pedimented dormers and French Renaissance detailing.

As for the US, I've got an impression that every mansarded ornate mid-19th-century building may be called "Second Empire" there: "The mansard roof... was a hallmark of the Second Empire style. By increasing headroom in the attic space, it provided an additional usable floor. To provide light on this floor, the mansard was almost always pierced with dormers. One of the first major Second Empire-style buildings in America was the Corcoran Gallery... Second Empire buildings featured prominent projecting and receding surfaces, often in the form of central and end pavilions. Ornamentation usually included classical pediments (frequently with sculpture groups), balustrades and windows flanked by columns or pilasters. Columns were usually paired and supported entablatures that divided the floors of the building. And there was always the mansard roof." (John C. Poppeliers, S. Allen Chambers. "What Style Is It: A Guide to American architecture")

In my corner of the world, such structures as Grand Hotel Europe, Stieglitz Museum, or Grand Hotel in Stockholm are usually described as "eclectic" and their style is dubbed "historicism", because it is hard to say which elements - Renaissance, Baroque, or Neoclassical - are given more prominence in any given building. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 08:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You asked me about Neo-Renaissance buildings in the New World. Although I don't know anything about the American architecture, I looked through Google Books and discovered — apart from the Boston Public Library — such structures as Colón Theater in Buenos Aires, Carnegie Hall, and Tweed Courthouse in New York City. Germania Building is reputed to have a purely Neo-Renaissance interior, but don't ask me about it. --Ghirla -трёп- 09:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I think it would be wise and prudent to leave Second Empire to the Americans. It seems to have grown somewhat in the last 24 hours.  In my part of the world an arts and crafts house with a tower that looks as though it belongs on Lego Land Town Hall is not Second Empire, neither is a Californian version of a Vampiric Castle.  I have put in Neo-Renaissance that Second Empire is Neo-Renaissance with baroque embellishments, and that is as generous as I am prepared to be.  To more important things, I want to write the real Renaissance style giving greater emphasis to the four directions that true Renaissance developed, so that the forms in which it took as Neo-Renaissance can be better explained.  I've removed all reference to the Opera Garnier - A: because wetman thought it was stretching the category; and B: because it was confusing the issue.  I won't have time to do too much today but hopefully over the week-end.  I'll take a closer look at your images then, and we can do a North European section, or at least include some examples somewhere.  Thanks for your help. Do you know how to add images properly.  I want to put this one Image:Fredriksborg palace.jpg underneath Hardwick Hall, and then elaborate a little, but everytime I try, it either goes sideways or displaces the rest, even when I try to move the others upwards.  I've run out of patience with it!!! Regards. Giano | talk 12:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * PS: Don't worry about the USA Images Wetman has supplied a very good one of a library in Boston - excellent!
 * Talking about Vampiric castles, take a look at the Red House in Port of Spain. The Britannica hails it as a purely Neo-Renaissance structure. Hmmm.... --Ghirla -трёп- 15:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Dilapidated rural palazzi
I believe your idea about the conclusion is great. Many a time I would stroll familiar streets of my native city and recognize the 19th-century neo-Renaissance or (more often) the purest neo-Baroque in some dusty 19th-century mansion. What a pity I'm too lazy to photograph all that!.. --Ghirla -трёп- 15:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Seaton Delaval Hall
I've put some pictures on. Perhaps too many. Have a look. Feel free to criticise and/or change what I've done. AWhiteC 13:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Mail
Mail. Bishonen | talk 15:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC).

Thanks
Thanks foe your nice words in Kolkata FAC. In fact, do check out the page after a few days. We are planning to upload two new images. One, a new colour image of the "Coffe House" adda in the "culture" section, replacing the present B&W one. I have got hold of that image, now waiting for proper licesnse/ permission from the phorographer.

Another image we have plan to upload is an image of a newspaper stall in the street of Kolkata. This image would be placed in "Utility service and media" section (which does not have any image now). Hope we shall be able to further enhance the article by images and inputs by all the wikipedians. Thanks a lot. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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More dilapidated buildings
Although I'm kind of prejudiced against post-Petrine architecture in my own town, your images of Leighton Buzzard put me to shame and inspired me to perform similar feats. Today I had to go to a very intresting market and decided that it would be mean to steal this precious time from Wikipedia. So I took a camera with me and made some photos of late 19th-century architecture which I saw in my way. When you live in the centre of a World Heritage Site (as I do), you tend to think that it's easy to find samples of all the architectural styles within your daily walk. Unfortunately, sun, scaffolding, and traffic were invariably against me. If you take a look at the pictures which I posted today here, you will get a new meaning of the word "dilapidation". Don't be too scared though, many other buildings look so much worse that I didn't dare to photograph them at all. All these buildings date to the period between 1864 and 1912, with the exception of two bright red mansions: they are 18th century. P.S. Thanks for editing House of Croy. It was written back in December, simultaneously with La Tour d'Auvergne, but then I got busy with real life and quite forgot about this lengthy and boring text until yesterday. --Ghirla -трёп- 19:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Just for fun, compare Ghirlandajo's image here from Yaroslavl with this building in Uppsala. u p p l a n d 19:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And my guess is that one is not very old .........correct? This page is growing and growing like Topsy - I have to a large re-write of the proper Renaissance section - if only the txt were as easy to find as the fotos! Giano | talk 20:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Uppsala building is designed in 1881. u p p l a n d 20:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well some you win some you don't - we hadn't bet had we? The serious problem here  is what to include and what to leave out - I honestly don't know at the moment.  I would like to develop the Scandinavian side, but that is heavily influenced by the Dutch which would mean a whole section on the Flemmish and so on, but there has to be a Flemmish section anyway (I fear).  I have learnt more writing this page than any other I have ever done - there is also quite a strong Austrolasian section which needs to be in there too.  I'm going to have a few days thinking about it, I do wish I had started it in User:Space as that would have given me more time to think - Oh well too late for that now - it's up and running.  All advice, edits gratefully received. Giano | talk 20:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I wouldn't have expected you to consider 1881 very old. In fact, I think this particular style more or less went out of fashion during the 1880s, although other types of Neo-Renaissance lived on, partly a more Northernly one, as well as eventually Art Nouveau, and various difficult-to-describe eclectic styles, and (most significantly) a stronger emphasis on natural materials rather than stucco and paint (Clason is the most important representative of that in Sweden, but you can see it already in the main university building in Uppsala, which was completed in 1887).


 * Generally speaking, I think the point should be to include the seminal buildings or some famous and representative ones, but without missing the domestic neo-renaissance (including the interior style). That probably means focusing on Italy, France, Germany (and perhaps the Netherlands). Swedish architect traveled to those counries to study, and I expect architects from Russia did the same. I don't know if any Swedish buildings are really that significant, but I would think the Nordic Museum is a good example of Northern Renaissance used in a very national project. Just outside the gates of the Museum is a statue of Charles X Gustav with an inscription mentioning all the names of the generals participating in the crossing of the Great Belt in 1658, which led to the victory over Denmark and the Treaty of Roskilde in which Denmark had to secede half its territory to Sweden. Just where one comes in to the Museum, there is a giant statue of Gustavus Vasa, the founder of the Early Modern Swedish state, who made Sweden independent of the Kalmar Union, dominated by Denmark. It is perhaps ironic that the closest real Renaissance analogy I know of the Museum is Frederiksborg Palace in Denmark... (although I couldn't write that without checking if somebody else has made the same observation before, as it would be original research). Östgöta nation (the yellow Uppsala building), on the other hand, seems to be more run-of-the-mill neo-renaissance, with similar buildings probably existing all over Europe (Yaroslavl, for instance), and with no particular national or historic significance beyond the common admiration and assimilation of the classical tradition of architecture that was by then an unreflected and obvious part of any European tradition of culture or Bildung.


 * As for the Nationalmuseum, it is actually rather atypical - few buildings in the middle of the century were built entirely of visible stone, most (of those which were not simply wood) were constructed in bricks covered by stucco and paint. And it is designed by a foreign architect; I am not aware of Stüler building anything else in Sweden. u p p l a n d 21:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we have Frederiksborg Palace already in the main Renaissance section, waiting for me to start pontificating about it's Flemmish renaissance origins, and then bringing in the similarities to the Nordic Museum. You see I do have a grand plan, it's just not very evident at the moment.  It's also very dependent on buildings I can easily photograph as I know the aspects I want to emphasise.  The little known provincial buildings of little worth are the ones I want to highlight as they "are" the style as most people understand it, also as most people see it - so pointing out the architectural merits of a Wikipedia-editor's daily baker's shop to the Palazzo Farnese is the best way to explain a subject.  So keep an eye out when you next go shopping in the provinces! Giano | talk 21:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

House of C
I know, I know... The whole website is replete with apocryphal info which has little bearing to the noble family. The Croys always touted themselves as the only extant line of the House of Arpad, although the Drummonds of Scotland have claimed the same. I think there is no reason to give credit to any on these claims. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 14:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Mistress
Please understand I'm not trying to be difficult at all, but I really don't understand why misstress can't be linked to intimate relationship. Sex is a part of intimacy, as well as the fact that sex does not absolutely have to be involved. Feel free to change it tho if you can link to something you feel is more appropriate. I apologize if I've offended you. It seems I might have. I'm not saying adultery is a good thing, but a relationship between a man and his mistress is certainly intimate. --Brian1979 21:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Brian. You have not offended me at all, beyond the fact I cannot bear mealy mouthed bourgeois phrases. One can have a purely platonic intimate relationship with one's best friend regardless of their sex or one's sexual orientation -  It is the person one is closest too in terms of confidences.  A Mistress  (in the context of the edits you have mad) is a Sexual partner, that is unchallengeable fact.  That I think is your mistake. Giano | talk 21:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Am I wrong? This is the definition of intimate:

Intimate adj.
 * 1) Marked by close acquaintance, association, or familiarity.
 * 2) Relating to or indicative of one's deepest nature: intimate prayers.
 * 3) Essential; innermost: the intimate structure of matter.
 * 4) Marked by informality and privacy: an intimate nightclub.
 * 5) Very personal; private: an intimate letter.
 * 6) Of or involved in a sexual relationship. <-

I chose intimate relationship because a)it's mentioned on the disambiguation page and b) relationships with mistresses are, by definition, long term. Otherwise the sexual aspect would be a fling or just sex. Isn't it reasonable to assume that a long term relationship is intimate?--Brian1979 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The things I have to do for this encyclopedia! Mistress Giano | talk 10:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)



Re the whole de-bureaucrating thing
Hi, I never came to thank you for the message you left for me a month ago when I stepped down from being a bureaucrat. Thank you for the things you said, it's good to know there are still plenty of good people about in this project. I do not see myself standing for bureaucrat again anytime soon though who knows what the future may bring! Thank you once again. -- Fr a ncs2000 09:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * PS I still haven't forgotten that article!

Userspace
Hey, Giano! I moved your newly created page, User Giano:19th century architecture to User:Giano/19th century architecture. Pages in your user namespace should follow this format to allow easy identification and to make sure the "parent" links work. Cheers, Tangot a ngo 10:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Damn Giano
you've got more hardware hanging around you than. . . . . . ...... Hermann Wilhelm Göring. But that's not why I came. The pictures of Waddesdon is fine, it certainly persents a lot of the issues that we have to deal with. The only problem with the pictures is. . . . well while I like leftist leanings in politics I'm less clear about them in photography. I tried playing around with both those pictures but when I rotate them, something wierd happens. like only vertical lines rotate, horizontal ones stayhorizontal. Now in America i'd be tempted to call that Chateauesque - but we'll get into that later. To me the shot is a keeper. Carptrash 21:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Template
If we do not want to get lost in all these revivals, I believe a navigational template is a must. I suggested one possible layout on your other page. Having added Indo-Saracenic and Regency style (I guess it's another name for the Empire, though), I now think about listing Stripped classicism of the late 19th-century too (this term is requested among Wikipedia's missing articles). P.S. Take a look at Dolmabahçe Palace (1856) - what do you think it should be classified as? --Ghirla -трёп- 22:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Have you seen Victorian house and Painted ladies? I'm not sure how they fit in. --Ghirla -трёп- 06:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Dolmabahçe Palace
I fully agree with your characteristic. The palace was built simultaneously and probably shares some features with Ortaköy Mosque and Çırağan Palace. I wonder whether we should include Turkish Beaux-Arts extravaganzas into our template under a separate heading, something like Balyan Style. --Ghirla -трёп- 08:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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Châteaux of Crimea
Hello, I still don't understand what they mean by Chateauesque. I dared to illustrate the article with an image of Massandra. Can you tell me whether it fits into the category? Also, please take a look at Swallow's Nest. When I visited this mansion years ago, we were told that its model was Belém Tower in Lisbon. Now when I look at it again I think that Scottish baronial influences predominate here. What do you think? --Ghirla -трёп- 16:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, your amazon link doesn't work for me and I'm still in the dark as to the book you read years ago. I agree that chateauesque is better deleted or imported to Wikidictionary (if the Americans really use the term). It was so foolish of me not to think about Ludwig's follies in relation to the Swallow's Nest (by the way, this link leads to Swiftlet). You may be surprized to learn that the structure is cast in Russian movies about England, for example it is the setting of the film version of And Then There Were None. Quite silly, but it seems to suit the Russian stereotype of what English architecture should look like... --Ghirla -трёп- 17:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The template lists revivals only, you see. As to Arts and Crafts movement, I'm not sure under which heading to place it. Which historic style did they revive? --Ghirla -трёп- 17:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Placenames
Seen this ? Bishonen | talk 09:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC).

Talk:Accademia dell' Arte del Disegno
Giano, can you help us? How embarrassing that I'm not sure. --Wetman 20:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Honorifics
Please have a look at Village_pump_%28policy%29. Thanks Arniep 11:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Lubyanka


Giano, I liked your extended appraisal of the architectural derivation of Schusev's work. I have two other toughies for you - Gare du Nord and Gare d'Orsay. I almost added these two under Beaux-Arts heading, but then thought that I'd better consult an expert. :) -- Ghirla -трёп-  19:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Gare d'Orsay I think we shall have to concede toBeaux arts and Gare du Nord a very Palladian themed piece of Neoclassical Architecture, I don't know why, it reminds me of Easton Neston  which is English Baroque - but I have no justifiable reason for thinking that, the two have few if any similarities, just the segmented windows, broken pediments and fluted columns. It's just a feeling I have. Giano | talk 20:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, having just spent two hours in a train, my poor mind still runs on those railway stations. The railway station was an important piece of Victorian architecture; most innovative architectural solutions were implemented there; and many railway termini were designed to impress. Now, what do you make of Nicholas Train Station? I was going to suggest it for your article about Italianate things, but then Russian guides say it is Neo-Byzantine. Still, take a look at the tower and fenestration. -- Ghirla -трёп-  23:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

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Twin stations


More interestingly to me why are all the stations the same - do you only have one design in your Notherly world for stations?


 * Because the Moscow-Saint Petersburg Railway was the first major railway in the Russian Empire and tsar Nicholas asked his favourite architect Thon to design identical termini for it in Moscow and St Petersburg. Therefore, if you go from Moscow to St Petersburg or the other way - like Anna Karenina did - you will find yourself in the middle of very similar architecture when boarding the train and when dismounting. -- Ghirla -трёп-  12:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Byzantine vs. Neo-Renaissance
I can't agree with you about the Saviour Monastery in Polotsk; Thon's cathedral is a grander version of a typical Palaiologoi church. As for the rest... To be sure, we know what the Byzantine churches looked like but what is your idea of Byzantine residential architecture, with authentic evidence of Byzantine palaces being so sparse? Is it something Gothic-Venetian like the National Academy of Design? Or is it a compilation of elements taken from the Byzantine ecclesiastical architecture? In Russia, the term is usually reserved for residential architecture reminiscent of Thon's Grand Kremlin Palace. I trust you more than casual writers in Russian or any other language who assume that everything designed by Thon was either Russian-Byzantine or Neo-Byzantine. Let's categorize those railway stations as Italianate. -- Ghirla -трёп-  13:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Giano, I liked your definition of Russo-Byzantine-Rococo. Back in the 1830s, people had a very vague idea of what "Byzantine architecture" stood for. Much of the ornamentation they called "Byzantine" was in fact generated by their fantasy. It so happens that this quite unhistorical style is known as Russo-Byzantine or Byzantine-Russian in the history of architecture. As for the windows of the Grand Kremlin Palace, I believe they were imitated from the Terem Palace, which adjoins the Grand Palace but was constructed in the 1630s for the first Romanov tsar. Such Italinate elements penetrated Russia at the turn of the 16th century and earlier, when such architects as Aristotile Fioravanti, Marco Ruffo, Pietro Antonio Solari, and Aloisio the New were active in Moscow. They used order system in such structures as the Archangel Cathedral (1505), which was widely imitated throughout Russia, probably even before classical orders were introduced to England. -- Ghirla -трёп-  08:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

GAs
Well, I didn't know that GAs existed until the other day! I think it's undersupervised, and I suspect there's a lot of undistinguished material that is now graced with this badge. On another matter, I think that the present FARC system might work well if properly enforced. Who knows what disorganisation awaits us if Raul goes ahead and merges it with the review process? Tony 05:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Shopping malls
From railway stations to shopping malls... Now we have to categorize the offspring of Burlington Arcade, such as Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II, The Passage, Galeries Royales Saint-Hubert, and several similar structures in Paris. Category:Second Empire architecture doesn't seem to be relevant here. -- Ghirla -трёп-  10:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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World Heritage


So the great categorising is on a hold for a few days.
 * Please come back soon. In the meantime, I plunged into my seasonal World Heritage frenzy (it usually predates the announcement of new patrimonies inscribed each year). So far, I started pitiful stubs about Residences of the Royal House of Savoy, Kromeriz Castle, Valtice, Sophia Cathedral and set out expanding Wieskirche and Dessau-Wörlitz Garden Realm. I'm afraid I shall veer towards the medieval sites, such as Santa Maria de Guadalupe, in the ensuing days. But when this is over, I promise to post a large article about Russian Revival which I completed last weekend. -- Ghirla -трёп-  12:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Great
If that doesn't get her/him to stick around, nothing will. Let them go silently into the night. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you
For, although I am embasrassed to confess that I have been scattering bits of knock-em-dead comedy about the place recently, so I am not entirely positive which edit of mine garnered the award. Possibly ? &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

What on earth is a "cowboy-builder"? &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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Request for your feedback
Hi Giano

Because a few nominators of FACs have appeared to need/desire a formal explanation of how they can improve their prose, I had the idea of writing an article dedicated to this purpose. It would be a complement to Taxman's and Jengod's articles, and "Great writing" and "The perfect article". I wonder whether you'd mind having a look at it and letting me know what yout think, in terms of the overall concept and the effectiveness and appropriateness of the training aspect. I've completed only the introduction and the first area, "Redundancy", for which there are about 30 exercises. The remainder is just a messy paste-in of notes.

I don't want to continue until I have other people's opinions on the approach.

Thanks

Tony 05:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Giano. Yes, I realised that a 'rider' is necessary, briefly stating that authorities disagree about some aspects of style. Tony 09:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Saint Petersburg City Duma
Hello, I need your opinion on the categorization of Saint Petersburg City Duma and Rotes Rathaus. Should they go to Category:Italianate architecture? -- Ghirla -трёп-  14:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You should run one of your civic improvement projects
Barton in the Beans. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI
I am only staying until We Belong Together passes FAC. After that, it is goodbye. Don't ever post your nonsense on my talk page again. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh!.......here to stay permanently then. Giano | talk 19:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really. The writing requires some patching up on, and that's really it. There are no other objections. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My Dear, if that passes FAC it will be because people are anxious to see the back of you, in fact I may even vote support myself. Oh that would be funny wouldn't it if every one trooped out and voted support, whatever would you do next - I'm half of a mind to find out. Giano | talk 19:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh good then. Makes my life easier; I don't really give a damn what your real intentions are. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 19:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I think you do, or you wouldn't keep popping back here. Now, be a good girl, and  shove off. Giano | talk 19:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I think I don't. Also, I don't see any girls anywhere. :) &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 01:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Praise for the praiseworthy...
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