User talk:GiantSnowman/2014

Lasse Vigen
Hello GS. Happy New Year to you. Could you please Userfy Lasse Vigen to my namespace please, so I can work on it. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Minas Hantzidis stats table
I can understand that you think that the table does not add much information to the article, but the other reasons for your revert are IMHO not applicable. The data was not largely unreferenced (17 of the 23 [≈ 74%] of the listed league apps and goals were referenced) and I can't believe that WP:MOS justifies a complete reverted because data is not up to WP:MOS's standards. --Jaellee (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


 * In that case the distribution of the appearances and goals among the seasons. The infobox shows only the totals for each club. --Jaellee (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * According to your reasoning, I'd have to remove statistics tables from e.g. Bastian Schweinsteiger, Philipp Lahm, Toni Kroos etc. because all repeat the data that can be found at kicker.de. I assume that for other players external links to Soccerway, Soccerbase, Marca, etc. would also make the tables redundant. If you want to discuss whether statistics tables should be added at all, I don't think that this is the right place to discuss it. I see the empty parts as of the statistics table in the same was as red links: an encouragement for editors to fill them up. --Jaellee (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Geylang International FC (2014 Season)
Hi,

just wanted to give you a heads up that Geylang International FC (2014 Season) has been recreated with exactly the same content under the non-standard name. Also, the 2013 season article has been moved back to Geylang International FC (2013 Season).

I will leave messages on both User talk:UEGIFC and User talk:Helanghijau (because that is a second account which mysteriously popped up in context to edits on Geylang International FC articles) before I try to move the 2013 article back to the standard name; however (most likely due to my prolonged break from editing), I'm not sure about the procedure for the 2014 mess, errrr article. AfD? Or another speedy attempt? Cheers, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 11:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Soccerbasedata.eu
Thanks for that, I had no idea. Is there another site which provides the same info? Presumably there is, if it's a copyvio site. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheers, thanks very much. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Terence Crawford
You deleted his article in April 2013 based on notability. With all due respect, I'm assuming you're not all that familiar with boxing. Crawford was a top American amateur and now as a professional is signed to one of the biggest, most powerful promotional companies in boxing ... he's fought 2 or 3 times on HBO, is currently undefeated, and is challenging for the Lightweight title in March in Scotland.

To say he isn't notable enough to merit an article would be ludicrous! Please restore that page at your earliest convenience! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.194.129 (talk) 08:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

David Johnson (footballer born 1976)
Hi mate, it's odd for me to have to thank you for decimating an article such as you did yesterday to the article on David Johnson (footballer born 1976). Nevertheless, that is what I must do, as I spent most of last night scouring the BBC's archives (using the Wayback machine a hell of a lot along the way) and rewriting the entire page. I wonder if you might take a look at the state of the article as it is now and perhaps give it a new quality rating on the talk page. I was going to do it myself (it's probably up to B-class by now), but I don't feel that's appropriate after I spent the entire night working on it. Cheers. – PeeJay 13:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * So what do you think it needs now to get it up to GA-class? – PeeJay 17:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, cheers mate. Thanks for doing the review. – PeeJay 17:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Stats tables - group stats by club or list them chronologically
Hi,

as you made this edit at WikiProject Football/Players, I'm sure you remember the discussion(s) which led to this consensus. Could you please give me the link to this discussion, preferably here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players so that others can find them, too? --Jaellee (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Sebastian Lletget
Hello GS, could you please restore Sebastian Lletget's history in a few hours from a previous AfD. The article has been recreated already because he's making his debut now in the FA Cup against Nottingham Forest. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Eusébio
I'm verifying sources thank you very much. Don't tell me how to work here. I'm a trusted user, give me time to finish. Tibullus (talk) 15:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I said let me work. If you do not let me finish including the references, I will report you. Do NOT bully me. Tibullus (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just when I was clicking the edit button to finish including ALL the references, it gets cancelled. Thanks a lot. I hope you are a very happy man now. Tibullus (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What is it hard to understand? Are you kidding me? How old are you? 15? I WANT TO SAVE THE REFERENCES BUT YOU KEEP REVERTING MY EDITS AND EVERYTHING GETS CANCELED. Tibullus (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If you gave this person the chance to add the source, your requirements would be satisfied, as I suggested on my talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is disgusting attitudes from people like you that put me off Wikipedia. I want to edit and add the references but thanks to your persistent reverts, everything I write gets erased and so I have to revert your own revertions in the way I can then add the references. Of course by the time I am about to save the references, you revert all over again and it gets into a cat and mouse game to you, doesn't it? You play with people's deaths in ways that go beyond absurd. Tibullus (talk) 16:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice tone to use for an administrator. Thank you for your so ever delightful insight. You said you want references? I'll give you references. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 All this for "unreferenced material" you never wanted me to complete. Tibullus (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I want you to have an idea of all the minutes I devoted into writing all that which you unfairly reverted. I'm considering leaving Wikipedia for good. You've been one of the last straws but before I do anything further (either leave Wikipedia or report you) I want you to know all I did was done willingly and with good faith. You however seemed not. You were consistent in your abuses, you were mistreating me, a user from 2007, a user who has always tried to improve Wikipedia, a user who always wanted the best. You have the nerve of saying I can spend all the time I did writing that bit of the article alone to add the references? You don't even offer to help. You are so committed into making me go through so much, committed into making me write everything all over again and yet you are not so keen into helping the community and its users improve the article. You are not worthy of the position you have in this community. Tibullus (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I want you to do something useful for a change. Link me to the report administrators page since you lot make regular users have to fish it among the endless Wikipedia bureaucracy. Tibullus (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've made a clear request, you have failed to responde to it and yet you imply I'm a "DIVA". That really isn't helping your case, is it? If you do NOT link me to what I have requested, I will be forced to ask for other administrators' help. Tibullus (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I want to tell you, you've been reported. Tibullus (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

West End theatre
Hi, need some advice. In the article there is an upcoming show section and when moving up to the current productions section the source should be moved with it. User:Cytkory constantly updates the article and deletes the references when moving up. Ive asked him to not delete the sources or update them to new ones if he feels no longer relevant. He doesn't reply to talk page messages nor provides edit summaries so it's impossible to know what he's thinking. Im tearing my hair our because he's removed the ref's twice in last 24 hours and i cant communicate with him. It's a long term pattern. Any advice he's a useful contributor so not a vandal but its impossible to verify without sources. Blethering  Scot  19:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Also if you are around could you move User:Matty.007/sandbox/His Last Vow to His Last Vow over the redirect i created for Matty. Thanks again. Blethering  Scot  19:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Was initially trying to avoid doing that as feel he could and is a useful contributor out with the sourcing and the not replying issue. I had a feeling that would be my only option and will do that from now on. Thanks again. Blethering  Scot  13:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Adam King
Can you restore Adam King (Scottish footballer born 1995), preferably I would think at Adam King (footballer) as he has now played two Scottish Premiership games. Blethering  Scot  22:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, looks like it needs a fair bit of work will try and do tonight. Blethering  Scot  13:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

UEGIFC
Hi

I need ur help. Can you do for me these football kits for my Geylang International FC page.

2008 Season (Home- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/basilyeo/Kit%20Graphics/geylangunited2008home-ss.png) (Away- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/basilyeo/Kit%20Graphics/geylangunited2008away-ss.png) 2011 Season (Home- http://www.sleague.com/images/news/img_3773.jpg?sfvrsn=0, http://i44.tinypic.com/23s9ct1.png) (Away- http://oi44.tinypic.com/2vvw67s.jpg, http://kallangroar.com/news/wpcontent/uploads/2012/05/382377_3461858019760_1070243466_3004595_447629540_n.jpg) UEGIFC (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Calvin Kadi/Unverified Material
Hey there, yeah you are right I didn't add the source but it was already mentioned above. I don't know what are you talking about. You can check it out there anyway, I don't want to sound offensive but if you can't read or even bother yourself checking the links ain't my fault at all. I respect your work over here but you need to be more careful before you undo something, always friendly.

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanosBonJovi (talk • contribs) 17:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jack Harris (footballer born 1993)


The article Jack Harris (footballer born 1993) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * '''[]

there is no record nor a file that proves that mr. Jack is a professional player according to CFA. (Cyprus Football Association) all i can see is that he has been on Enosis Neon Paralimni for sometime now.'''

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Brian Hill (footballer born 1937)
Hi, I notice there's been an issue on this article over the date and cause of death. I suspect that on OTRS I'm talking to at least one of those IP editors and they have provided two reliable sources about the date being 5 April 1968 and it not being suicide but a heart attack. One is the local evening paper, the Sheffield Star, and the other is a book, The Wednesday Boys - A Definitive Who's Who of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club 1880-2005 by Jason Dickinson and John Brodie. If full details are provided any problems with changing that section. To me the current citation a single word and date on a website doesn't look the strongest although as I've pointed to the OTRS correspondent is better than nothing which appeared to be the original problem. Nthep (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, he's come back - it's page 137 of The Wednesday Boys and was page 1 of the Star on 5 April 1968. You ok with me changing the article to thzt effect? Nthep (talk) 18:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I've changed the article and have watchlisted it.  If there's any problems, give me a shout if I haven't seen it myself. Nthep (talk) 19:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Mediation
Snowy,

can you please drop a line in this message sent this user (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Icarusgeek#Request)? I think i'm i the right, but you'll be the judge.

Thanks in advance, cheers --AL (talk) 19:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 8 January
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Thank you
Thank you for the deletion of the unnecessary navbox category. Have a nice day Ayoopdog (talk) 20:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Re your edit summary at Marcel Rapp
No, I didn't do any WP:BEFORE, beyond checking the page history. See Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_deletion_of_biographies_of_living_people. Pam D  20:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Étienne Capoue‎
1) Do you think that "2+2=4" or "a human hand have five fingers" need a source? Obviously they needn't and usually so is for the pronunciations of names: pronunciation rules say how to spell a name (I had already explained this). 2) 99% of the pronunciations you can find here is not sourced and nobody (even you) has thought to do anything about. 3) Even if you are right (but you AREN'T), what do you think it's to be done? To remove all the unsourced pronunciations? Man, it's a huge work... Good luck! By the way, I wonder why you torment Capoue's page in particular. 4) "If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia": hahaha! Sure! They'll put me in a jail! Well, I think I'll run the risk! --Ebdòmero (talk) 18:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Ebdòmero, The best place to deal with this issue is on the discussion page for the article. This enables all editors to participate. Edit Summaries however wholesome are not appropriate where there is any challenge. I do not know what the precise concern Giant Snownam has regarding the pronunciation but where an unsourced / improperly sourced addition/ change to a biographical article is made editors have the right to challange it under WP:BLP. GS could also have initiated the discussion! The editors should then discuss on the article's talk page. And just in case you are unclear if anyone persistently continues to revert the status quo of the article prior to the disputed change was first made where the change is challenged, the sanction of a block will frequently be used to stop an edit war continuing. So to use your words back to you I suggest that you don't try and 'run the risk'. I would suggest you assume good faith and post a much toned down version in the sprit of AGF of what you have penned above on the article's Talk Page so a discussion can proceed. Tmol42 (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Riyad Mahrez
Hi GS, we've already discussed the issue of French league reserve stats in the infobox in WT:FOOTY and reached consensus on not including them since it's not a notable level (unlike Germany for example where reserve teams can play at professional level). TonyStarks (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you miss the part where I said we previously reached a consensus on WT:FOOTY about not including them? It's like you didn't even bother reading my message .. TonyStarks (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't find the discussion but I know it's in the WT:FOOTY archives. I know I specifically mentioned the case of Thierry Henry if it makes searching any easier. The consensus was that reserve team stats are included for first teamers where reserve teams play at a professional level .. so, places like Germany, Spain, Portugal, etc. I'll make another attempt at finding the discussion. TonyStarks (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jon Burklo
I noticed you voted for deletion for Jon Burklo. However if you look at the least of teams he played at, it includes the Wilmington Hammerheads who play in USL Pro (formerly called USLSecond Divison) who have always been listed as fully professional at WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues. What am I missing? Nfitz (talk) 03:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Niche (footballer) / Family stuff
Hi there GS, AL "here",

given the fact we don't know if he played any actual games for C.D. Motagua (only top division club in his box), shouldn't this article be deleted or at least be put up for deletion?

About the Niguez brothers, i really have a hard time understanding where is the line drawn regarding acceptability parameters. Please mate, note that this is not a criticism on your approach, merely me wanting to learn. I mean, why not consider the infobox also OR and delete it? For me, the stats table is really not all that necessary given we have an infobox, so i have no "beef" with it being removed, but the honours i really don't get.

Regards and happy week --AL (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hence, does that include the box? --AL (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I have worked extensively on the Ñíguez family, finding refs for them all. In a related matter, please my friend, report to this "letter" i wrote at WP:FOOTY (here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Aar.C3.B3n_.C3.91.C3.ADguez), you have my promise i will re-remove the info of which i speak therein so you don't have to worry about a thing (i.e. having to go through the trouble of removing it yourself).

Cheers --AL (talk) 01:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * As promised, and per JMORRISON's explanations at WP:FOOTY, removed club honours. --AL (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Domingo Drummond
Hello my friend. I read that article yesterday and has several flaws (in my opinion). Don´t says the cause of death of Domiingo Drummond (that says the link 3), and the final reference (4) is broken. You can verify.

And finally, the phrase "one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013" ... whom do you mean? Thanks!! --Apega71 (talk) 01:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC) one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013

2005–06 Copa Catalunya
Sorry, I've been away for a couple of days and only saw your message now. I think it's a bit late to re-open, but I'm happy to procedurally relist so everyone can have another go if you like. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Done, enjoy! Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC).

Ian Redford
It was really, really vile of you to decimate the playing achievements of Ian Redford when they'd barely cut him down from where he'd hung himself. He's not even in the ground yet. I hope you're proud of yourself, you disgusting person - just plain unpleasant, nauseating. --82.41.251.96 (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Over Linking
I am familiar with this policy, are you? Mentioning the country where a footballer's family originates from and using wikilinks isn't over linking. We mention this on many football player articles, the footballer's heritage due to international eligibility. Example "X is an English footballer of Y decent". How many under 16 year olds will be familiar with Mali? How many over 16 year olds will be familiar with Mali? What is wrong with having wikilinks on Mali? Do you think we should remove the wikilinks leading to St Lucia and Dominica on the article 'Jermain Defoe' because we are over linking? Or should be get rid of the wikilinks leading to Association Football on the article 'Nouha Dicko' because a footballer is common occupation and therefore shouldn't be wikilinked because we are in violation of over link. Over linking would be putting wikilinks on ever other word or putting wikilinks on the same words over and over again on one article. IJA (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Like I said, how many people are familiar with Mali? How many people have even heard of it? And why do we mention countries which footballers are eligible for and use wikilinks? Why do we mention Sierra Leone with wikilinks on the article Ryan Giggs? IJA (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I'm talking about using wikilinks on countries which footballers are eligible for, mentioning this is "particularly relevant to the topic of the article". IJA (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The official football federation of Mali website seems to think so IJA (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. I think one sentence is sufficient until/ if he actually receives a call up. IJA (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring on WP:AN
Don't do that. Admins are not superhumans who are allowed to have the last word and put it into the archives even when they are wrong. Hans Adler 20:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Mora about Domingo Drummond
Hello GiantSnowman!

Well, not quite understand what you're asking, but I'll be very specific with this article: --Apega71 (talk) 14:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No cause of death about Domingo Drummond.
 * Link 4 is broken.
 * Doesn`t specify who the other two players who played in the World Cup 1982 are dead. Remember the phrase: "one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013".

A kitten for you!
Heey, I luv kittens, so ur gettin' one :D Lizzy <3

Lizzy Knight (talk) 16:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC) 

Adrián Bone
Relating to Adrian Bone's page, (www.ecuafutbol.org/servicios/FichaJugadores.aspx?valor1=0802883058) is the official Ecuadorian League website. Which has information about how many caps hes received and the loan spell he has had. This is the reason I changed it since no one has updated in such a good while! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.163.166 (talk) 19:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Sambou Yatabaré
Hello, I see you reverted unsourced edits on Sambou Yatabaré indicating he joined back SC Bastia. I wanted you to know that I added sources indicating he was loaned out these last days. Tuttiseme (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Joe Edwards
Can I ask how editing Joe Edwards' page to show his correct position constitutes vandalism? As a Yeovil fan I can assure you that 1) he plays mainly as a central midfielder and 2) I'm in a better position to judge that than you are. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.175.107 (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Should lists of notable players be deleted or tagged ?
Should lists of notable players within club articles be deleted or tagged ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fenix_down

(League Octopus 13:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC))


 * Does this wording address the issue?


 * Former EXAMPLE CLUB players with Wikipedia articles are listed below:


 * Refer to this example:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4pyl%C3%A4n_Pallo#Former_players


 * (League Octopus 14:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC))


 * I can use this format for larger clubs:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokkolan_Palloveikot#Former_players


 * but it seems pointless for smaller clubs. It will mean undetaking a lot more format work re categories & links with very little in terms of content.


 * This is another example where I have introduced nationality into the criteria. In my view details of foreign players is most important info that we should not be deleting.


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mikkelin_Palloilijat&oldid=591567159


 * (League Octopus 14:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC))

Hi, saw this so thought I might as well comment as it is about my editing. I used to tag such lists, but have stopped doing so because the manual of style seemed pretty clear about things and very few of the lists ever got the required inclusion criteria. Personally, I would say that a list of all players with a wikipedia article is not necessary. The link to the category by definition suffices and such a list would not only become unmanageable over time as every player, but would suggest that a player playing for a low league team who then played one game in a fully professional league but would not otherwise pass NFOOTY is more notable than a player who spent their whole career at the club making hundreds of appearances but did not do sufficient to pass NFOOTY of GNG.

Using the example you highlighted first, of the two players on that list, one of which merely was there as a youth player, never making a first team appearance and the other made only 34 league appearances according to their articles. Why would they be called out separately? Why are they specifically notable players at that club just because they have a WP article? To me it seems like both of them actually accomplished very little while at the club.

Additionally, being foreign is not necessarily something that makes a player notable beyond basic WP notability? If the notion of foreign players at a specific club has garnered significant reliable coverage then by all means discuss it, but a random list of players simply because they are of a different nationality strikes me as OR, the editor effectively saying, "these players are foreign, therefore they are inherently more notable than those who are not".

Happy to undo my edits if people disagree and won't remove any more until there is more discussion here. Fenix down (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There are some very useful points being made above by Fenix down but in my view we should be acting upon firm guidance/discussion from WT:FOOTY (assuming there has been none already) if we are to adopt the wholesale deletion of lists of Notable/Former players from Club Articles. At the moment it appears that Finland is the first country to receive the "big-hit".
 * As a starting point:
 * 1. Is a consistent approach being followed across all countries?
 * 2. Should we tag before we delete?
 * 3. Should we give a reasonable period (say 2 months) to respond to the tag before deletion?
 * 4. Should we provide some proper guidance to Editors on including/excluding lists of Notable/Former players in Club Articles?
 * 5. Can we use a bot to enable the provision of Category generated lists?
 * 6. Can our current dialogue form the basis of a discussion by WT:FOOTY?
 * NB: An example of a list that has been deleted;
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Helsingin_Jalkapalloklubi&oldid=591303676#Notable_former_players
 * An example of a list being protected:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merstham_F.C.#Former_players
 * An example of a Category List:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grays_Athletic#Former_players
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Grays_Athletic_F.C._players
 * (League Octopus 19:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC))
 * An example of a Category List:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grays_Athletic#Former_players
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Grays_Athletic_F.C._players
 * (League Octopus 19:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC))
 * (League Octopus 19:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC))


 * This discussion should be at WP:FOOTBALL ideally. GiantSnowman 19:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Would be happy for it to be copied over to WP:FOOTBALL if Fenix down agrees. (League Octopus 19:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC))

subject matter
Hi I would like to chat with you regarding my last edit, i'm new to this. Can we do it here or can we e-mail. andy80214 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy80214 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Nike Total 90 Tracer
I've nominated Nike Total 90 Tracer for deletion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 January 23. Since you participated in the AfD for this page, you may be interested in commenting there. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

ConIFA World Football Cup 2014
May I ask why you proposed deletion for a pretty well media covered and now also good ref'd article ? You know I am not a very experienced wiki-guy, but if I take a look at the usual number of ref's and their quality in comparable articles, this one is brilliantly ref'd I guess. And it contains quite a lot of content which is important and interesting for a couple of millions out there I guess. NikauTokelau (talk) 17:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Offensive edit on Araz-Naxçıvan PFK
Hi GS, could you please hide this edit from view. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Mata joining Man Utd
GS, regarding Juan Mata, do you feel it would be appropriate to fully protect until Manchester United announce his signing? There have been so many edits saying he's joined, without official confirmation. There has been a request submitted at WP:RPP already. JMHamo (talk) 13:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And perhaps talkpage too with about 20 edit request in 24 hours, some without text at all. QED 237   (talk)  14:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * He has now signed. Stalker comment. Blethering  Scot  21:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You might want to have a look at the number of edit requests on the Juan Mata talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Juan_Mata&oldid=592389642 ...There are alot of angry people there haha...thankfully its been edited. Not sure if it needs to be archived but I just thought you should know. GiggsIsLegend (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Korean club merger
Hi, GS, please comment on discussion as you did on disscussion regarding Bucheon SK and Jeju United FC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:FC_Seoul#RfC_regarding_Anyang_LG_Cheetahs_merger_proposal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Busan_IPark#Merger_proposal Footwiks (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Rodrigo Moreno Machado - Reply
Hi there GS,

several items to discuss regarding this article, by order of contents: 1 - the box: it's a case of years overlapped, in 2009-10 he played for BOTH the juniors and Real Madrid C, i know perfectly well that Real C is not a youth club, i'm not banned idiot User:Antony1821 (he promised to sock time and time and time again if his original account was blocked, and he had the custom of inserting B-clubs as youth when they are seniors), but in that year he played for both; i tried my best and you re-reverted me, fine with me it stays wrong (a good tip that he also played for juniors that season would be that he only had FOUR games as a senior, but i give up).

2 - the honours (and again, i apologize if my summary seemed a bit overzealous, but i really don't understand): i don't know if you saw my follow-up at the WP:FOOTY report due to our "run-in" at Aarón Ñíguez, if you saw it it's obvious you don't believe me, if you did not see it here it goes: at least in Spanish and Portuguese football, even if the players play one minute in the previous rounds of the domestic cups, they get the honour, no OR there, if they play one game (and one minute at that) in the league, they get the honour. As you very well know like myself, medals are given to the runners-up at the UEFA Europa League, UEFA Champions League, FIFA World Cup, etc, etc, so where's the OR there.

WP is not a reliable source? No it's not my kind sir, but if we click in an article (let's say "List of champions of the Primeira Liga") and that article contains an outside source saying X club won Y honour (when Z player was part of that team), what's wrong in adding the honour to the player?

Regards, happy week --AL (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's source he played for Real Madrid Juvenil (please see here http://www.goal.com/es/news/21/fichajes/2011/03/22/2405857/entrevista-exclusiva-rodrigo-estar%C3%ADa-encantado-de-volver-al-real-), in the beginning it reads "No en vano, la temporada pasada empezó defendiendo el escudo de los juveniles del Real Madrid, en pocos meses ascendió hasta el Castilla (en Segunda B),", which translated is "Not in vain, last season he started defending the shield of Real Madrid's youths, shortly after he was promoted to Castilla (in Segunda B),". Don't worry, i still won't touch that infobox. --AL (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Tony Adams RM
Hi GS, I hope you don't mind too much but I've reinstated the nominator's support vote on the above-mentioned RM following a disccusion here which you may want to participate in. Maybe the text at WP:RM/CM could be improved wrt nominator's !votes in RMs. benmoore 11:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Liam Beckett
Hello. Just a courtesy notification that I've removed the prod on the above. Rationale on article talk page. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Tim Dowd
I found your decision to remove the page I had started for noted British drama director Tim Dowd to be somewhat puzzling. Mr. Dowd has directed a broad portfolio of well known programme material over his career, most of which is referenced in other Wikipedia entries. The page itself was modeled after an apparently acceptable page for Graeme Harper. While not currently as populated as Mr. Harper's page, it had obviously just been started. Could you expand on why it was unacceptable?

Wrldtvlr (talk) 19:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

No - not his agent, never met the man, don't work in the industry, don't even live in the same country. Just appreciate his work. Rather than speculate on the motives of the page author, could we circle back to the original question? That is, the difference between the now deleted Tim Dowd page and the model Graeme Harper page? Would you suggest that Graeme's page be nominated for deletion as well?

Just to make sure I hadn't misinterpreted the Wikipedia guidelines, I did a quick Wikipedia search for "containing TV director". There were over 500 entries found, most of which seem to contain basic biographical information and a list of works, so I'm not sure how a factual list of films directed constitutes promotion. But having not authored a new page before, I'm very willing to be educated.

Wrldtvlr (talk) 21:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tim Dowd
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tim Dowd. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Wrldtvlr (talk) 02:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

You shouldn't disagree...
...with Viriditas, as he's never wrong. I'm sure he'd tell you so himself. BMK (talk) 00:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Lister Community School
Hi, could I bring your attention to User talk:GiggsIsLegend where he asks my advice? Obviously I can and probably will reply but I think it would help if you gave him some guidance. School pages can be such a mess. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That was fast. My turn. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Magic pipe
Hi, GiantSnowman. You removed the magic pipe I'd put in the nowiki'd link for the newbie at the Teahouse. To help, of course, and I appreciate that; but I'd put the pipe there deliberately, and removing it makes my sentence untrue. A mere User:GiantSnowman won't display as GiantSnowman but as User:GiantSnowman. Note particularly that once you've used the pipe in a link and saved, it'll come up in the edit field in extended form next time, as GiantSnowman. The lone pipe is transformed at save into the full form. Anyway, it's a useful trick. See Pipe trick. Bishonen &#124; talk 19:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC).

China League One
I would suggest you start a proper discussion at WP:FPL, and not individual AFD pages, as it is likely to receive wide attention/input there. GiantSnowman 12:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree it is the place one should do it. But I'm not sure it would receive wide attention.  After I raised the issue I thought I should check WP:FPL for an old discussion on the issue.  And I was shocked to see that there was a relatively recent discussion.  Hmm ... odd, it was right on the front page ... someone must have archived it.  Here it is - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues/Archive_11 and there was precious little discussion.  One guy pointing out that documents indicate that they were, and you disagreeing. AFD seems to have much wider discussion, unfortunately. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

e-mailing Giant-Snowman
hi Forgive me, I'm not great with I.T. I can't find how to e-mail you from your talk page, neither can i find how to change my profile. If you could talk me through it I would be most grateful (Andy80214 (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)) Andy

Didier Drogba career stats
Hello, keeps re-adding unsourced career stats for Didier Drogba. I have started a discussion on the Talk page and left an edit summary, but it's not getting through. Could you please intervene? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking at the edit history, it seems to be a SPA too. JMHamo (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ignore this, it's been dealt with by Mattythewhite. Thanks! JMHamo (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Canadian Soccer League (CSL 1987 - ?) - A Fully Professional Soccer League
Hello. Mark Arsten closed my discussion related to the deletion of an article, which is fine because I think the issue of providing proof that Peter Pakeman played in the CSL was successfully addressed. Unfortunately, I've been dragged kicking and screaming into the discussion about whether or not the CSL was a fully professional soccer league. I'm hoping you will keep this discussion open until I hear back from my sources. In order to create some continuity from previous dicussions, I'm including links to references previously identified. http://www.rsssf.com/usadave/csl.html, http://books.google.ca/books?id=IkLYDgTnMxEC&pg=RA2-PA170&lpg=RA2-PA170&dq=pro+soccer+in+canada+history+1987&source=bl&ots=6RGWZJqtih&sig=u1CqT3YxIpI51tWsuxXsSkXQbVw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AvDnUrSsEam62AWezIH4DQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=pro%20soccer%20in%20canada%20history%201987&f=false, http://www.amoresplendidlife.com/2008/07/league-of-our-own-original-canadian.html Thx!InPerpetuity (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Thx!InPerpetuity (talk) 19:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Citations policy
Hi GiantSnowman,

Please refrain from destructive behavior and become familiar with Wikipedia policy. Although boldness of Wikipedians is a great asset, I would caution you not to be WP:RECKLESS. Please do not systematically remove information from articles that is not cited. I advise you to read WP:NOCITE, where it is pretty clear that "If a claim is doubtful but not harmful, use the citation needed template". Number charts that are not cited may be doubtful, but they are not considered harmful to the biography of the living individual. The WP:LIBEL policy refers only to information that does not adhere to WP:NPOV. Wikipedia policy requires that you add a template here, NOT remove it all. You should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy before such reckless editing. --BoguSlav 20:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Ha! A response to me without responding to what I brought up. The editor who got the policy wrong tells me to find EVEN MORE policy that contradicts his sweeping deletions! WP:LIBEL does not apply to in this case because although this information may be doubtful to you (whether or not he scored all of those international goals and participated in all of those international matches), it is certainly not libelous to the subject of this article, and therefore it is not your role to blindly remove it, but you can put up a template about citations needed. There is nothing else in WP:BLP that you can possibly use that justifies these removals.
 * However, instead of a reasonable response, I get a command: "Do not re-add uncited, challenged material to a biography of a living person, simple as that". Clearly you are not familiar with the Wikipedia policy that is listed above. In that case, I wonder how you became an administrator. Additionally, now that you are informed of this policy and choose to break it, I wonder why are still an administrator.--BoguSlav 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "Why are you bringing WP:LIBEL into this? I have asked you to read WP:BLP...". ummm... I'm bringing up WP:LIBEL because I read WP:BLP, which discusses the WP:LIBEL in this section: BLP, which you appear to ignore entirely.
 * Regarding this, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Why do you interpret these statistics to be contentious? Can you give a reason as to why you think these statistics are controversial? Do you think that the editor who added this information (not me by the way), made all of this stuff up, or all of this info is just false in general? Why don't you AGF and add a citations template, to give editors the chance to find reference to it?
 * I don't understand why you are not willing to have a reasonable objective discussion. This time, besides telling me what to do, you also threatened to block me.
 * Additionally, you appear to have recruited a bunch of editors to come in and argue against me as a group. You still have not been addressing the issues that I brought up with dialogue. If your comments continue to consist of only commands with no discussion about my concerns, I might need to bring this to a dispute resolution board regarding WikiBullying. Specifically, regarding your refusal to discuss and giving the perception of power with no regard to another editor's point of view when brought up to you.--BoguSlav 06:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you give the most recent specific discussion where excluding assists was decided upon? I remember taking part in a conversation on WP:Football not too long ago, where no consensus was reached. Can you show me the voting where the position for excluding assists got a large majority?--BoguSlav 06:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess we will continue to disagree on whether you should put up at citations template for perfectly reasonable statistics or flat out delete it. In my opinion, flat out deleting them all is disruptive to Wikipedia as a whole because these statistics are in no way libelous, and you think that anything that does not have some kind of external link next to it must immediately get removed regardless of whether or not this information is reasonably true. However, in the end, both your opinion and my opinion are just opinions, and your opinion is not more important than mine. However, when I bring these up to you to have a conversation, you flat out tell me what to do in your first five responses (on my talk page and in edit summaries).

This is the main issue that I think needs to be addressed on your part. Your opinion is no more important than that of any other editors here at Wikipedia, but your gut reaction is to tell them what to do first and only discuss with them many responses later. This is what needs to be brought up at dispute resolution. I have noticed this in your conversations with many other wikiepdians, who were just frustrated with your method of commands and ultimatums without ever responding to the specific points that have been brought up before you gave them commands and ultimatums. I am confident that many editors would agree with me on these points.

As for bringing this up in the BLP noticeboard, all you achieved is got a bunch of editors who are not familiar with the situation to come in and take your side. This was a just a fancy way of recruiting other editors in your side, and does not at necessarily make your opinion more valid.

Finally, you have not given me a specific link to a conversation where consensus was reached regarding assists. Every conversation I have took part in, or read, on the WP:Football talk page simply ended in a disagreement on both sides. Perhaps you should bring it up in a vote.--BoguSlav 16:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Joe Lolley
Hello GS, could you please restore the edit history on Joe Lolley prior to it being deleted by AfD. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of the current history contains a copyvio of the Huddersfield press release, most obviously the pre-Kidderminster career sentences. That may need looking into, and I've informed the article creator about the issue. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

More height changes
Not sure if I'm going to invest the time to see it through, but I've initiated an inquiry with Gibson about a recent edit of his to change m to cm on Steve Prescott as a prerequisite to opening a new ANI if necessary for topic ban.—Bagumba (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Shinnie and Devine
Re. reverting your edits - Please accept my apologies, GiantSnowman. A mistake on my part. Woodlandscaley (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

article question
In the Jordan national football team article, what does "caps" supposed to mean under the "current squad section"? Games played for senior national team? I've got a problem with (see bottom of User talk:Yalladar) and want to make sure I understand that right. Bgwhite (talk) 18:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Back to the Future (musical)
Can you merge the history of User:Blethering Scot/Back to the Future (musical) into Back to the Future (musical) for attribution. Ive merged the majority of sandbox into article. Blethering  Scot  21:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Gaston Sauro
Hi, I didn't mean to remove the whole Swiss Cup, this was more or less accidental, I just wanted to remove the source, as it was not needed. That Basel was runner-up can be seen in the article about the 2012-13 Swiss Cup and is not in any way controversial oder ambiguous, so there is no source demanded per policy. Also, I don't see why you simply didn't put it back in the article without removing every content about Boca Juniors titles I just added. I will remove the sources for now and reinstall the Argentine trophies, if you should provide a reason why the sources are needed for the article, you are of course welcome to put them back in.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if you insist on having your sources fine, but I would be grateful if you, as I have told you above, could make it a habbit of not totally reverting senseful edits and at least make your changes in a constructive way(e.g. not reverting everything without checking what is needed) to save other editors work.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't need to revert the entire section right away, a citation needed tag would do for the beginning, I will look for sources over the day, feel free to do it yourself if you can't wait, sadly I'm a little busy right now...
 * Goddammit, you know as well as I do that in those cases you simply put up a citation needed tag, instead of reverting constructive edits and pissing of other editors that simply try to improve an article. Your removals are not even justified by WP:BIO, as the absense of sources does not have to resort in a removal in non-controversial cases. You are just one of those stereotype admins that simply need to have their way. WP:BIO says, even in bold, challenged or likely to be challenged, and our edits are in no way challenged. Maybe you want to read WP:BIO yourself again first.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I can add it as long and as often as I want to for aforementioned reasons. I'm really asking myself how someone who doesn't even know the guidelines he is refering became an admin. Ever wondered why no articles about football players, even on Ronaldo and Messi, have sources for the trophies? Because they are not challenged or likely to be challenged. If you keep on vandalizing the article I will report you and have you blocked. Consider this your last warning. Just what qualifies you to be an admin in the first place? You don't even seem to know how football articles are organized...--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, it seems to me that User:GiantSnowman is repeatedly removing edits, even then when they are indeed sourced. I have double sourced of few of the things that he repeated and falsely removed from Gastón Sauro. I hope that he will now leave the article alone. Best regards --Huligan0 (talk) 15:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Murry Kasmuri (drummer)
A tag has been placed on Murry Kasmuri (drummer), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo, or other unlikely search term.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that administrators wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template   to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.  Wylie pedia  16:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Block evasion
I went over here to inform the editor about infobox datestamps and realised it was the indefblocked Joshuaforest mutilating Nottingham Forest player pages in his own individual style. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

TFD
Will you please stop herrasing me? It's not per default wrong just because you don't know nor understand it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saesonkort (talk • contribs) 11:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Now would be a good time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tanks_in_World_War_I&diff=prev&oldid=594802868 Hengistmate (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Despite having been blocked for 24hrs, 48hrs, and 3 months, 217.33.237.194 is at it again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.33.237.194#January_2014 and, most recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tanks_in_World_War_I&diff=prev&oldid=594803212 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tanks_in_World_War_I&diff=prev&oldid=594802868 Regards, Hengistmate (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Faritz Abdul Hameed
Would you suggest I should have BLPPRODed the article instead? The player looked marginally notable from a brief Google search. TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 00:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014
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Articles for deletion/Arklow Town F.C.
Just an FYI, the club have played in the FAI Cup. Cheers, Number   5  7  18:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

CallumPewwyy's User page
Hi GS, could you please have a look at User page as it looks like an article. I've warned him before and nothing has changed. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Soccer players
Hi Snowman, I'm new and learning you know. You can correct my edits. Thanks.-Roberto197 16:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto197 (talk • contribs)

List of women's football clubs in Turkey AfD
Hi GS, could you please close List of women's football clubs in Turkey AfD please. I've withdrawn my nomination. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Transfermarkt
Hi GS. Could you please remove the link to the Transfermarkt template at the following protected pages:
 * Template:FIFA player
 * Template:NFT player
 * Template:Soccerway
 * Template:Soccerbase


 * and any others I may have missed, although I believe that's all. The removal of the template is called for at Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Thanks, C679 19:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't see that, thanks for the changes. C679 19:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

René Meulensteen
Hello, could you please semi-protect René Meulensteen do to the high number of anon edits being made and Felix Magath too. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Arklow Town F.C.
Did I close this OK? After Number57 added the links I only got back to it this morning. Murry1975 (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Samuel Inkoom
Hello GiantSnowman, referring to your deletion on Samuel Inkoom. Don't threaten me with the Blocking policy because it's you who is acting against this policy. Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia and this is exactly what you are doing (!!!) The difference between good manners and bad manners is: if someone challenges the information that's good manners, but if someone just deletes it then that's bad manners. You did NOT challenge the information (which can also be found within the links) you just DELETED the texts and the links and the Web-Link. What have you got against Samuel Inkoom's website: www.inkoom.pro? This is a correct weblink. Ghana won the silver medal at the Africa Cup of Nations see: 2010. Basel won the Swiss Championship, see the league table in: 2010. Basel won the Swiss Cup, see the Final in: 2010. And so on and so forth. I have reinstalled your pointless deletion, but at the same time I have double linked the Swiss Championship and the Swiss Cup. This in the hope that you will not revert to another contravenes against the Wikipedia's policies. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] Hello again GiantSnowman, this is your last warning. Don't threaten me again, because I even double and treble referenced the information. Therefore you should really block yourself from editing. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 16:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Transfermarkt
Hi again GS. Was going to post an update but you've already archived my last one in under 24 hours! I have finished removing the Template:Transfermarkt and there are no more transclusions in article space. Hopefully now it can be "put to bed". Thanks, C679 16:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Some time ago I saw a link in userspace from one of the project members which listed these pages, do you happen to know where I can rediscover it? Thanks, C679 16:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It was in the final TfD! Will get to work on that. Thanks, C679 07:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Awudu Ibrahim for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Awudu Ibrahim is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Awudu Ibrahim until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. GiantSnowman 11:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, interesting point about the I-League. Yes, that might change things. Nfitz (talk)

Archiving
FYI, you might wish to consider archiving your talk page, it's rather long and hard to navigate. GiantSnowman 11:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, though I'm not a great believer in archiving user pages. If it ever comes down to it, I'll likely blank it.

Man of Doom & 324988ab
Hello GS, I see you've blocked 324988ab. Just so you know, I have opened a SPI case on and  who I suspect are the same people. Should this be closed now? JMHamo (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * JMHamo (talk) 22:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Blue Eagle, Minnesota
I see that you deleted this page last year. I live in the town that Blue Eagle was part of, and would like it restored.Thudster (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Yalladar
I've gotten to close in the situation with. They tried a sockpuppet route and now uses. Conversation has been going at User talk:Yalladar. I originally did a two day block for adding unsourced edits at Jordan national football team. They've edit the page atleast 15 times since end of November and keeps getting reverted. They got off the block and edited the Jordan article again. I blocked for one week and they went the sockpuppet route. Things boil down to adding unreferenced additions that are incorrect. That's why I asked you a question a few weeks back. The reason why they do, " I have better sources, but they can't be shared here on Wikipedia, so instead I keep track myself." Can't add an external link correctly to save their life. Adds Facebook links, even if it is a dead link, "This player Alaa' Al-Marafi does have a Facebook page, he just doesn't use it much." or Facebook pages to different people. This edit is a fun one. There is a correct Facebook page, but he adds an additional one to another person. Of course this tops it off, "No matter how many more times you guys try to stop or block me from contributing to this website, I will never stop, whether you like it or not!!!!!!".

They edited again today and made unreferenced additions to tables, changed a person's name and removed information without stating why. Sigh. I've hit a brick wall. I'd love to do a longer block, but I'm too close. Anything else I say will go nowhere. Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Betty Jaynes
Just curious what prompted you to start Betty Jaynes (basketball)? She's not particularly well-known outside basketball circles, AFAIK.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Article of Bhupendra Chaubey
Dear Giant. I understand that you deleted the Wikipedia page on Bhupendra Chabey.

Was it because i alone wrote it? If yes, how many people should have edited the people?

Please restore it, because all the references that were used in the article were genuine.

Many thanks Kunal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.59.127.127 (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2014 (UTC) Hi Giant. I understand you had to restore the article. Just letting you know that I am sending it to AfD. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi Giant. I've mentioned you on my talkpage during a conversation with another editor. Can I have some assistance. I wasnt sure if you would be notified so I thought I'd give a heads-up :) GiggsIsLegend (talk) 14:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

OPENPARA
Hey GS, when you're removing places from the opening parentheses per OPENPARA, could you double-check that the information is mentioned elsewhere in the article, and if not maybe add it somewhere? I've noticed a couple removals lately where the locations are now not included at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

About Zeca Amaral editing
The only thing I did to Zeca Amaral was just adding his 2014 team which is Benfica de Luanda. Can you tell me what is it you claim I did wrong "without confirming sources"? Ok I am sorry for that

QUESTIONS
I don't use this site often, only when things annoy me on Facebook, like pictures being missing from Facebooks Wiki pages.

1) I don't like some of Facebook's Wiki page's not having photo's/picture's, so when I see a page without a picture I come on here to add one.

Can I just go on Google, find a picture relating to the subject, upload to Wikimedia Commons, then copy and paste the link it on the Wikipedia article in question without getting it removed?

2) Ages ago I found an easier way of editing Wikipedia without having to use brackets etc.

How do I do it/Where do I find it?

3) How do I add links to prove what I edited is true, to stop it getting removed?

--Danstarr69 (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

ANSWERS

2) That's what I've been looking for, cheers.

3) Cheers

But 1) I still don't understand. How can I find out if an image off Google/Yahoo/Bing is copyrighted and not allowed to be used, and how do I get permission?

--Danstarr69 (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Chris Maxwell (footballer)
Hi, per WP:DTAB we are encouraged to include captions above tables, to act as a title to describe the nature of the table. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Feeder club source
Hi, apologies for the rollback without explaining my reversion - I updated the source after seeing the article in an ESPN article, it is a much better source than the WSC article. ocee Conas tá tú? 17:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Country of birth of Mustapha Zitouni
Hi. Can I have your opinion on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustapha_Zitouni&diff=596233510&oldid=589599064 this modification] that I have made in Mustapha Zitouni, where I changed French Algeria to Algeria, as it can be read in the sources that I added. Best regards. --Indif (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically there was no country called 'Algeria' at that time - it was called French Algeria. We should therefore use that for the sake of historical accuracy. GiantSnowman 10:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I agree that there was no state called Algeria at that time, but there was a territory called Algeria, which was technically a colony, distinct from France, even if France politicians tried somehow to assimilate it to France. You can have some insights on this matter in these two books, for example : France at War in the Twentieth Century: Propaganda, Myth, and Metaphor and Unsettled States, Disputed Lands: Britain and Ireland, France and Algeria…. That explains why we read Algeria and French Algeria in the sources that I've provided. Regards. --Indif (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well as far as Wikipedia was concerned, that particular region was, between 1830 and 1962 called "French Algeria". Before that it was "Ottoman Algeria" (1517–1830) and after that it was "Algeria" (1962 to present). At the time of Zitouni's birth, the location he was born in as known as "French Algeria" and so the article should reflect that. GiantSnowman 12:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not exactly, the territory is officially named Algeria, since october 1839 . So in fact, at the time of Zitouni's birth, the territory was known as Algeria, and that period of time (Algeria under the ruling of France, from 1830 to 1962) is known as French Algeria or Colonial Algeria. Have you had the time to read the couple of books given upper ? --Indif (talk) 13:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If the Wikipedia article is about "French Algeria" then that is the term we use, it is as simple as that - not your original research. If you feel the name is icorrect, you should suggest a name change. GiantSnowman 13:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * How can it be WP:OR when we can find that information in two important secondary sources (FIFA and FFF) ? The name (the expression in fact) is not incorrect, in the sense that it is used to distinguish between two concepts: Algeria describes Algeria as a territory, in all its dimensions (geographical, historical, economical, climatical, and so on), while French Algeria focuses on the specific historical period of this territory when it was a French colony. It's as simple as that. --Indif (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sigh, like I've said, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, he was born in "French Algeria" and that is what his article should reflect. I cannot see why that is so hard to understand? GiantSnowman 18:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * But as far as Wikipedia is concerned, in accordance with WP:V, Zitouni is born where reliable secondary sources say that he is born, and in fact, these sources say that he is born in Algeria, and Algeria is the official name of the territory since 1839. --Indif (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * MOS - "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved." GiantSnowman 19:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly! Before 1830, the territory was named "Ottoman Algeria" or "Regency of Algiers", between 1830 and 1839 "Possessions françaises en Afrique du nord" (French Possessions in North Africa), and since 1839 "Algeria". --Indif (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * NO! Look at the article on French Algeria, what period does it cover in the infobox? GiantSnowman 21:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If French Algeria relates to a period of time, then it must not be used as a place of birth; if it relates to a place name, then it's faulty, Algeria being the name to use . --Indif (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * My word, this is very, very basic stuff. Zitouni was born in French Algeria, a colony which existed under that name from 1830 to 1962. That's why we have an article on it, and named as it is named. What is so hard to understand about that? If you disagree with the name of the article, suggest a change at the article talk page - but do not introduce bogus piping. GiantSnowman 22:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, there's an article named Roman Gaul, but this name relates to a period of time and does not constitute a name of territory. Nobody was ever born in a territory named "Roman Gaul". We simply say that someone who was born during that period of time in that territory was born in Gaul. It's the same situation for French Algeria. It's as simple as that. --Indif (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Your example simply proves my point. Would you say that Caesar was born in Italy? GiantSnowman 09:48, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Il would have proved your point if the territory was named "French Algeria", but unfortunately for us, it was named Algeria, and the same name has remained until now. In fact, the question is not how I would say where Caeser was born, but what the sources say about his place of born, which is undoubtedly Roma, while the place of birth of Zitouni (according to the official name and what reliable sources report) is undoubtedly "Algeria". --Indif (talk) 10:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * For the final time, I will try and explain this as simply as I can. The article we have is called "French Algeria", that is where he was born and that is what his article should reflect. Why can't you understand that? GiantSnowman 10:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Like Françoise Dorléac was born in France, not in Vichy France, Zitouni was born in Algeria, not in French Algeria. --Indif (talk) 12:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, she wasn't. The article on Vichy France confirms that that was "France during the regime of Marshal Philippe Pétain, during World War II, from the German victory in the Battle of France (July 1940) to the Allied liberation in August 1944." Anyone born there between those dates was born in Vichy France. If you cannot see simple facts like that, you might want to stop editing here and go back to fr.wiki where your views are no doubt acceptable. GiantSnowman 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitively she was. When refering to the article on Vichy France, you are simply misreading it. Vichy France stands for a historical period and a political regime of the French state, not France itself (see Vichy France on Britannica). --Indif (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Jesé - Reply
Was preparing to message you (i don't revert friends without briefing them also on what i did) when i saw you had done the same (have not read it yet, i'm in a hurry due to family matters), so here it comes:

Snowy, my exclamation point in my reversion summary has nothing to do with lack of respect or shouting, only utter shock. Why "shock" you ask? Because last year you removed the honours, i asked why and you said "please provide sources", i did and you removed them again? I repeat, i am utterly and totally wiki-shocked.

Another administrator, User:Mattythewhite, told me on the subject (an admin mind you, not an average user!), regarding another player where the honours were removed, that he does the following: he refs the honours in storyline, so they don't have to be so in the proper honours section. I did so in Jesé, and you remove them... please confer with him on this matter, and please reinstate the honours in the player's article.

Kind regards --AL (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Even though i told you what Matty does (and if he's an admin, he's surely playing by the book), you are still not fully convinced. But i have to respect you and i WANT to do so, so refs have been added (one new, the others "doubled"). Cheers --AL (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Melissa Maizels
I think there is cause to delete this page on notability issues, as she has not played a senior game. --SuperJew (talk) 11:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Milos Krstic
Almost every sentence I have added in that article has been complimented with a reference. [Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players Here] is a template from which most football biographies are written, and even if an article is short wouldn't you agree that headers would encourage other editors to expand specifically under each subsection? I am not going to add them back unless I make the article longer but still. I know you mean the best and I see you've made the statistics more accurate from soccerway's website but I am sure if everyone was blocked for the kind of edits I have done in this article that there would be no editors on WP. Zastavafan76 (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, Thank you for your response. If you don't mind I'd like to bring back the headers without returning commentary or deleting your ref tags. However I would like to address one deleted section:

''Krstić came to OFK in 2009, where he became a member of a well-remembered generation of players which reached the third qualifying round of the 2010-11 UEFA Europa League. Although OFK was eliminated by Galatasaray, Krstić scored a free-kick goal against Galatasaray in the first leg 2-2 tie. ''

I acknowledge it's just "one goal" and from a west European perspective it may not be a big deal to score against Galatasaray, but Serbia's league has a coefficient such that it is rare for any team from Serbia to play against a team which regularly plays in the Champions League. In this article, if you need you can put google translate, you can read the last paragraph under "trener ekipe", where the coach which coached the team which tied Galatasaray is named OFK's best coach in the past 10 years. Just having played against Galatasaray, believe it or not, got him more recognition than all of OFK's other coaches 10 years before him (and there were many!). Furthermore, in this English-interview OFK's ultra group claims that their greatest attendance since their establishment as ultras was against Galatasaray. For these reasons I used commentary words "well-remembered generation" which I otherwise would try not to use upon your advice on author commentary in wiki articles. Zastavafan76 (talk) 18:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I have returned the headers and even added more citations. Is this an appropriate time to remove the verification/ref tags on the article? Zastavafan76 (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Zastavafan76 (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

José Franco Gómez
Hi there GS, AL "here",

based on the data available on the Thai and Malaysian leagues (Transfermarkt.com shows nothing on either, the TPL website i think also nothing, but i can't read Thai) and the fact that he has not played pro football in his country, is this notable?

Attentively --AL (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Dennis Rawlins
Some months ago, you eliminated from the Dennis Rawlins biography his determination of the asymptotic relation of planetary perturbation to relative distance. This discovery is referenced to the top astronomical journal of the Royal Astronomical Society of London. Restoration would seem called for. Edit by D.Rawlins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.40.41.84 (talk) 03:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Yalladar
FYI... Yalladar is back with a new sockpuppet. I've added a SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/Yalladar Bgwhite (talk) 07:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jeffrey Altheer


A tag has been placed on Jeffrey Altheer, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a foreign language article that was copied and pasted from another Wikimedia project, or was transwikied out to another project. Please see Translation to learn about requests for, and coordination of, translations from foreign-language Wikipedias into English.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Iraag (talk) 15:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Karan Singh Banga
Thanks for the close, was just getting to that. I've blocked the creator, looks like there might be a bit of sockage going on there too. Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  13:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Kante4 and live updates
Hi. Could you please have a word with regular editor User:Kante4 he insist of adding live updates even thoug we are not supposed to. I informed him here which he immediately undid. I told him a second time when he did it again which he also reverted now with edit summary blah blah blah, bs. Despite tries to discuss he keeps being uncivil and aggressive so I had no alternative but to start using templates even if he is a regular. He removes them with not very polite edit summaries like pfffff... doing this since years. He should improve his language and discussion skill as well as stop with the live updates so if you could have a word before I feel the need to go to ANI or ARV that would be highly appreciated. Thank you. QED 237  (talk)  20:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I still think it's not wrong as the cap number does not change. If goals are scored those are added also. Don't see what's wrong with it. That i think that QED's action are a bit over the top is another topic... That's not something where i would even think about ANI/ARV. Kante4 (talk) 20:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I have every Real player on my watchlist so i would detect that right away. See a discussion like that is better than the copy/paste stuff QED does. Still don't agree with that but it's ok then i guess. He often overreacts with his templates and stuff and that's pretty annoying i think for my part. (Maybe that he is "new" is something i dislike aswell than with his actics but that's for me personally like i said) Kante4 (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Mentoz (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Slow living
The information you have added back - which I have re-removed - was unreferenced and unencyclopedic. The external links serve nothing but to promote certain 'slow living' organisations - so they have also been removed. Is this topic even notable? GiantSnowman 18:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, GiantSnowman. I do think this is a notable topic. And while I see that you want references, by taking out so much the page now says very little about the concept. Perhaps there is a compromise here. Do you only want quoted sources? If so, I am willing to look around for some. With a quick search, I did find the references below. They may lead to something useful. I have also had this discussion with another editor who thought it wasn't a significant topic, but after sending him several links he agreed that it was. I guess this is the nature of Wikipedia. Give me a sense of what you'd like to see, and I'll see what I can do.

There is a book with the title "Slow Living": http://www.bloomsbury.com/us/slow-living-9781845201609/

The Guardian has an article: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/15/go-slow-movement-health-wellbeing

The Huffington Post has several articles that are tagged or mention "slow living".
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/americas-real-deficit-crisis_b_3204683.html
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/margalit-ward/the-secrets-of-a-simple-l_b_840400.html
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/darryl-sollerh/the-dancing-parent-the-ho_b_778022.html
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mairi-beautyman/from-slow-food-to-slow-li_b_251927.html

Snailwiki (talk) 00:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Alexandru Pascenco
Transfermarkt is not a reliable source so I was well within my rights to remove it, and as that left the article unreferenced I was well within my rights to add a BLPPROD. Thank you for finding a basic reference. GiantSnowman 20:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Rights? This is a collaborative project, not a legal exercise.  It's lazy editing.  The whole point of BLP Prod is to quickly delete articles for people who are either are not real, or so grossly unnotable that there aren't any references. Clearly a player who you can confirm is real within second on Google, and who may meet WP:NFOOTY, should have a reference added, not a BLPPROD.  And eliminating an accuate reference, because you don't think it's a reliable source (even though the data there seems to have been reliable) WITHOUT replacing it with another reference?  That's also lazy. Nfitz (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * No, it's not my opinion that Transfermarkt is not reliable, it is community consensus following a number of discussions at WP:RSN, see also Transfermarkt which has been deleted as a consequence. As for my PRODs, I obviously added without realising the Moldovan league was FPL, see my comments at Articles for deletion/Maxim Antoniuc. GiantSnowman 09:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Your focussing on whether or not Transfermarkt is not reliable ... that is not the issue. The issue is that removing a reference from a reliable source, isn't then grounds to BLPPROD the article after you've moved the source.  Especially if the information in the reliable source, is very easily verifiable in a number of reliable sources. It's lazy editing.  Don't do this. Nfitz (talk) 00:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Karan Singh Banga
...is back again. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Who created the original article? Is a sockpuppet? JMHamo (talk) 21:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * - article deleted and SALTed, not sure if it's a sock, you might want to ask . GiantSnowman 09:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Good use of the sodium chloride there GS. I was a bit suspicious, but originally thought Arunnolan11 was just an innocent bystander - guess not. SPI filed. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Recent Moldovian Prods
I had just started going through recent prods (I'd only looked at BLPPRODs earlier, when I looked at Alexandru Pascenco. I removed one of your, and then noticed there were many.

What am I missing ... as far as I understand it the top Moldovan League is listed at WP:FPL. So why are you prodding them? Nfitz (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * No, it's not my opinion that Transfermarkt is not reliable, it is community consensus following a number of discussions at WP:RSN, see also Transfermarkt which has been deleted as a consequence. As for my PRODs, I obviously added without realising the Moldovan league was FPL, see my comments at Articles for deletion/Maxim Antoniuc. GiantSnowman 09:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


 * So reading that AFD ... if you'd found out that they did meet FPL, why didn't you remove the PRODs? Nfitz (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Keylor Navas
It has been my idea from time immemorial. Please add a citation tag to the given bit of the article (in this case honours), if i can't find a source by the end of the week (i will browse like crazy), remove the section.

Cheerio --AL (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Even though i don't know why do you need a source (reliable or not) to prove he won the Primera División de Costa Rica titles from 2007 to 2010 when he played 12, 20 and 23 league games in the process... --AL (talk) 13:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah (i have the tendency of replying to messages - when i know what they are about - before i: 1 - see the message i receive; 2 - consulting the current state of article), you have already reverted me, fair enough, it stays that way! --AL (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

But i apologize for reverting you, that i do. --AL (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I have added another three sources in his CLUB CAREER (this one http://www.nacion.com/deportes/futbol-costa-rica/Monarca-uso-jugadores_0_1122887727.html seems very useful, posted by the only guy that commented on my report, i know you must be on a well-earned break so i don't count you as "absent"), i leave it in your hands what to do next (remove one tag, two tags, reinstate honours, nothing, whatever).

Cheerio, happy rest --AL (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Music issues
Hello mate,

I saw that you make contributions in Football, but do you help in music as well? I have some issues in the Twenty One Pilots page. An IP user keeps complaining of a paragraph about religion in "musical style and influence" section, and me and my buddy RhettGedies are trying to mantain the paragraph in the page. Can you help us? If not, do you know someone who can "fix" this issue?

Thanks in advance, MYS  77  talk with me ☺ 19:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Range block
Hi, do you think a range block would be appropriate to stop the hordes of IPs being used by the long-blocked ? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Rawlins & Perturbation-Theory
The MNRAS is apparently not on-line before 1998. But a citation to Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society 147:177-186 [1970] would be adequate. Edit by D.Rawlins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.40.41.84 (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Eddy Antoine
Good morning. In terms of my categorisation edit, did you know under the Haitian constitution everyone is "black" regardless of skin colour? All black people in the world are from African descent due to the dispora. Would you deny the fact that Michael Jordan is of African descent? It makes little sense to revert such an edit especially when it is one so minor involving meer categorisation. However, your service to the community is noble and are well-welcomed, so keep up the wonderful job, but beg you to reconsider. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savvyjack23 (talk • contribs)


 * I'd be very interested to see where in the Constitution this can be found? If so, Stephanie Villedrouin for example could not be Minister of Tourism as she is of European decent. (NB: the above is the 1987 constitution - the amendments since then all focus on dual citizenship). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karst (talk • contribs) 10:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * - "All black people in the world are from African descent" - you can get dark-skinned Asians, dark-skinned Aboriginal Australians etc. etc. - and of course if you believe in evolution (as I do) then everyone is of African descent. Please also sign your posts. GiantSnowman 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Constitution of 1805: 14. All acception (sic) of colour among the children of one and the same family, of whom the chief magistrate is the father, being necessarily to cease, the Haytians shall hence forward be known only by the generic appellation of Blacks. - As I agree everyone is technically "African," since everyone's ancestry goes back to it, that is not the conversation at hand. We are not talking about thousands and thousands (perhaps billions) of years, we are discussing a few hundreds of years, to modern-day history. Also, why would an Aborigine change colour? Isn't it as hot in Australia, you can fry an egg on the pavement over there. A tanned Asian is not black just as much as a tanned Englishman is not! African blacks were brought to Haiti as slaves. That's like saying an African-American doesn't have African descent. You would be crazy to say that in the states. To argue a Haitian who is black of not having African descent is absurd and a clear lack of understanding of the history of Haiti. And I know who the minister of Tourism is Karst. Yes, she is Haitian of European descent, born in Venezuela to Haitian parents who were diplomats at the Haitian embassy in Venezuela and who co-presented a gold disc plaque with President Michel Martelly recently to a Haitian singer named, J. Perry for his outstanding performance of Dekole which was said to be a start of a turning point for Haiti, whom I have recently created an article about. Furthermore, this constitutional verse of 1805 in fact wasn't intended to be taken literally, it was to avoid racism. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

In addition, you are arguing about your own personal opinions, beliefs and rationale, rather than fact alone, whether you are right or wrong about it. This would be known as original work to the Wikipedian community if you wrote about such a thing, which you are probably already well aware of. To bring up evolution furthers that notion of personal belief and opinion, which piggybacks a "theory" or an "opinion" of Darwin's. Your profile says you are an atheist doesn't it not? So its pretty clear you are arguing on personal belief. It would be the same if I was to counter evolution, with the creation story. Neither are proven facts according to man and cannot be used to explain African descent. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Who said tanned? Read Afro-Asian - "modern descendants of aboriginal, mostly uncontacted, Asian ethnic groups with direct genetic ties to ancient first-wave migrants coming out of continental Africa." Your assumption that this player is of African descent because of the colour of his skin is, while likely correct, nothing but personal research, not based on any reliable sources. GiantSnowman 19:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have recently been reading up on the Haitian artist Frankétienne, a true legend. I think his life experiences show that you can never presume that what GS points out.Karst 20:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay there you go, an "Afro-Asian" is of African descent, hence the term Afro. So an Afro-Haitian is not of African descent? See: Afro-Haitian. So, Eddy Antoine is an Afro-Haitian (according to your terminology of the "Afro" usage) and thus not of African descent? Does that even make any sense? You just basically proved yourself why you are wrong about "African descent". I was making a categorisation edit not writing about the man's biography, is it edits like these that you have so many? Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Karst, he has some wonderful art; I was actually reading about him today, it is funny you mentioned him. He should have a picture of himself uploaded in his article. Frankétienne is a mulatto, which in fact is also of African descent technically but there is a category for that already (Haitians of Mulatto descent). I know not to assume, but can you deny that Eddy Antoine is a "Haitian of African descent?" I would sure hope not. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

According to this article, there are DNA tests to prove that Aborigines are the first modern humans to migrate from Africa. Which we all are, so technically, they are of African descent and is proven but to be "politically correct" for the modern world, they are the indigenous of Australia. However it is a known fact to the "modern politically correct world", that before slavery was introduced to Haiti, there were only indigenous Taino (natives) living there. So why don't we put African descent for every person of European origin? -Because it would be "politically incorrect" to do so even though it is true. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * - you are babbling and making no sense. To assist you, I am going to be as clear as possible - find reliable sources to back-up your categories, otherwise they will be removed per WP:BLP. GiantSnowman 09:51, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

DJ Hoppa
Hello, GiantSnowman. I see you deleted DJ Hoppa; could you please restore it to User:Launchballer/DJ Hoppa because I've found quite a few sources on the subject and I'd like to try again? I wrote the second revision, the one that was A7d, and I'd like every revision after the one with edit summary "The text was deleted as a copyvio but I can at least give you an infobox".&#32;Thank you.-- Laun  chba  ller  08:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Alex Oikkonen
Hello, GiantSnowman. The source of my information is: http://www.primerahora.com/deportes/futbol/nota/boricuafichadoeneuropa-991586/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negron21 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Soccerdatabase.eu is a copyvio website
I knew there must have been some sort of catch after finally finding his 08/09 stats. I doubt Soccerway add stats on request but I think I'll send them a cheeky e-mail asking if they will. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Lo and behold they've added the stats to his profile. Wasn't expecting such a positive result. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Re. Disruptive editing

 * Please specify what disruptive edit have I done?Mufaddalqn (talk) 12:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I am sorry about that plz accept my appologies.Mufaddalqn (talk) 13:05, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

The Jodcast
Hey, I was surprised to find that not only does the Jodcast not have a page, the page has previously been deleted for not being notable enough. The Jodcast is an amazing podcast about astronomy run out of Jodrell bank/University of Manchester which has been going for many years now. Their website archives shows since at least January 2006. It's student run (PhD student) and it's amazing what they do, and I really think worth a wikipedia page. How would I go about proving it's notability and nominating it for being undeleted (or recreated). FYI I am an astronomer, but I have never worked on the Jodcast or at Jodrell bank. KarenLMasters (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your welcome in my home page. I'm spanish and I use mainly that page, but I will pass here to see my messages too.--Rwheimle (talk) 07:38, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

re: L. Krasniqi
Hi. I saw your message on my talk-page and I agree that you removed the source "Soccerdatabase.eu"; reason, "Soccerdatabase.eu is a copyvio website", but can you help me: can I add this source, is this valid? Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 10:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for your help, was a pleasure. I made my edit, adding 'weltfussball.de' source and removing info-s that I added in a previous edit basing on "fake source" Soccerdatabase.eu. And I'm asking you one last thing: on player "Infobox football biography" has some references that are the same, are they neccessary to be there or need to clean from there? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Saad Abu 78
Hi, since you are an administrator I was wondering if you could take a look at User:Saad Abu 78 and see if anything needs to be done or should be done. I noticed the editor when he added this content on Bacary Sagna and it was the exact same content as in this source he used so I warned him for copyright (did not find a good warning but I think I used the best one). An other of his few edits he added copyvio image directly removed here, he has also "created" a logo (seen ) saying it was "own work" and added it to article Yupptv. Now the most recently he added a admin-icon on his user page but I doubt that he/she is admin, is that allowed? He does not seem to know how to make edits and how copyright works. QED 237  (talk)  13:08, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That was fast! QED 237   (talk)  13:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi again, just wanted to let you know that the editor keeps adding logos as "own work" (which I think is not right) and he removed perfectly sourced content to add unsourced content. All this to article Verisign. QED 237   (talk)  22:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Delete Luc Jeggo?
please have a look if Luc Jeggo should be deleted on notability issues. Is FFV NTC counted as a senior team for this? --SuperJew (talk) 09:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC) nvm, Hack has already nominated it. --SuperJew (talk) 11:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * FFV NTC played in the Victorian Premier League which was not a fully professional league. Hack (talk) 11:11, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * glad I could help ;) GiantSnowman 15:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Jewish footballers for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Jewish footballers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of Jewish footballers until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Editor keeps on deleting RS-supported material
Hi. Perhaps you have thoughts as to two articles, where an IP keeps on deleting RS-supported material. I've left multiple messages for him on both article talk pages, as well as on his talkpage (where you have also left a message). But he simply keeps on doing deleting the text and RS ref. Frustrating. Thoughts?--Epeefleche (talk) 00:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Deleting material
This is your first friendly warning for your vandalism on Ashkan Dejagah's page. DON'T just erase a bunch of things.--RidiQLus (talk) 18:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It is vandalism because you're deleting a part of his history and the statistics associated with them. If you'd like to remove a certain section, you may do so if you can think of a reason. But you're basically deleting his whole page.--RidiQLus (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You are so incredibly stubborn, I wish you the best in life. Please refrain from making any edits on his page.--RidiQLus (talk) 19:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As you probably already know, GiantSnowman, I disagree with your numerous removals of unsourced material that aren't really contentious. I did not have time to continue our discussion about Mattias Moström on my talkpage, but after looking at your removals from articles like Ashkan Dejagah and Joel Campbell, where none of the material removal are really contentious (though some of it might be removed for other reasons than it being unsourced), I read through WP:BLP and tried to search the archives to see anything that supports your view on this, and I found this discussion from WT:BLP. I must say that I find it strange that you keep removing all unsourced material in a lot of articles that clearly aren't contentious after reading that discussion, where several veteran editors says your view on this is wrong. I hope you will stop removing unsourced material that isn't contentious, and instead add fact-tags or add citations when needed. Mentoz (talk) 13:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't missed it, I've just used time to find arguments that you are wrong, which is clearly documented in the discussion I've linked to above. That everything not sourced is contentious is your personal opinion. As an administrator, you shouldn't impose your personal opinions on important policies as WP:BLP. Mentoz (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm familiar with that statement, and you also quoted it in the discussion above, but it didn't seem to change the consensus in your favour. You should change your editing, I don't want to report you at ANI for editing against consensus. Mentoz (talk) 13:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

For the record I support GiantSnowman's approach. If you can't source it, then it goes until you can find a reliable source. Simple really. JMHamo (talk) 14:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Étienne Capoue
Hi GiantSnowman. I noticed you deleted the international goals section for Étienne Capoue, as it was not referenced. I have never seen any international goals being referenced, including on several high profile articles/players e.g. Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, so is it necessary to provide a reference for international goals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eng66 (talk • contribs)

If that is the case why have you not deleted the international goals for every other player? Eng66 (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

If it is so necessary then why are they not referenced on any article including ones that have been award good article status ect. Eng66 (talk) 18:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

International goals are not referenced on any article. I'm sure there are plenty of players that have scored for their country and also have good article status.Eng66 (talk) 18:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I was exaggerating but in general they aren't referenced.Eng66 (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You did not need to remove it, that isn't very constructive. It would have taken little more effort to find a source.Eng66 (talk) 20:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I have added the section back in with a reference. May I add that the Miralem Pjanić example you used was rather sneaky, considering you had removed the international goals not long before and the section and references had only just been re-added hours before our conversation.Eng66 (talk) 15:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't intend for us to end up having an argument over this, I hope it will be considered as a discussion rather than an argument, I accept that international goals should be referenced, however I do feel that removing them isn't as constructive as say putting a note requesting a reference on them, but that's just my opinion.Eng66 (talk) 19:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

INVEA-TECH
Hi GiantSnowman, just saw your edit on this page. I brought the page to the attention of a couple of individuals involved in the original AfD discussion so I'm watching the page. Just curious if you plan to nominate it for AfD again or if you're just suggesting someone does? Thanks! C 1776 M Talk 19:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I wasn't aware the PROD couldn't be used for recreated pages, good to know. While I feel I'm neutral and just stumbled onto the problem, my substantial number of posts about the page to multiple people may give the impression this is personal to me in some way. Since I'm still new here I'd prefer to not start trouble like that if it's possible. So, I'd appreciate you taking it to AfD. Another admin has stated that there are many new references but doesn't know if it makes it notable. C 1776 M Talk 20:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Stephen McPhail/LOI catergory
I have added to the talkpage regarding this. He is. Murry1975 (talk) 12:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Harmeet Singh's page
Thankyou so much for your help. (PrakharGupta121 (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC))

User:Staafros1
Hi GS, not sure if you're aware of this user. He's had previous warnings for changing capacities without sources. I notice he's recently added some Chinese stadium articles whereby the external link is just a photo and does not source the text, so they may not be notable. Perhaps you may want to quickly look at their edits? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Róbert Kovaľ
Hi Giantsnowman. Can you undelete please article about Slovak footballer Róbert Kovaľ ? He made his professional debut for Czech First football club FK Dukla Prague on 28 February 2014 against SK Slavia Prague,. Thank you. BR. IQual (talk) 17:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Ashkan Dejagah
I'll make sure to reference them.--RidiQLus (talk) 10:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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Reza Ghoochannejhad
Do you have a thick skull or something? Stop basically deleting articles just because there isn't a source! Just add a 'citation needed' after the statement. You did this with Ashkan Dejagah and now you're continuing it with Reza Ghoochannejhad. I'll add sources, but I'm amazed at how you became an admin...--RidiQLus (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Response to your warning
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All references in these places I added. Of them links to the site are the UEFA questionable in its reliability. The site is ranked UEFA most errors than all on what you deleted. Necessary to do so that people would have seen looked and looked for the truth and engage in dialogue with the authors website. A whole policy aimed at curbing Wikipedia such action. In football statistics there are so many moments when written in different places in different ways, but both are right place. Since many people so many opinions. You deprive people of alternative information is not offering anything new, you brake progress. Do you think that the sources of questionable reliability, provide an example of what you consider a reliable source of information. People spend years of his life decades what they do and create for other people, and in a moment you decide that this sites are not reliable and should remove them.--Gavrilov Sergey (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Andrew Dawber is a relative of mine; I added his height in because I know it. (talk) 08:49, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

OK, with that in mind, which is the reference for his place of birth? (talk) 11:44, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

Great, sorry for causing an issue. Mhdawber (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Sock of User:Sven nestle2
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PROD removals
Your PROD removals seem to be becoming increasingly disruptive; while removing PRODs from articles is normally fine, I would appreciate if you didn't a) remove PRODs from articles that you know are non-notable (given the VAST number subsequently deleted at AFD) and b) used better rationale than simply "no", as you have done here and here and here and here and here and here - at least provide a solid rationale. Your PROD removals seem to be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. GiantSnowman 19:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I have to agree with GiantSnowman that you are disruptive. You seem to think that an article created in 2007 is notable because of its age and remove the PROD. There are so many examples I could supply were you've removed the PROD for no good reason - for example just now. Ireland is not a fully professional league and every time you remove a PROD like this it will go straight to AfD, where it will be deleted (as has happened in nearly every PROD you've contested if you check). I am actually considering taking this to ANI and letting the community decide on what to do with you. JMHamo (talk) 00:50, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What an outrageous comment, that completely violates WP:FAITH. Looking through my edit history, I only see about 10 prod removals in the last 3 weeks; that's hardly excessive.  These are generally long-standing articles that are players that I know are notable.  Why would you claim that I would know that they are non-notable?  As far as I recall, I've only ever prodded one article of someone in the last year or so that I didn't think was notable ... and then I proceeded to vote for the deletion of the article.  There's no way I believe that players who have played in League of Ireland are generally not notable.  If you watch though, I don't argue the ones who played briefly should be there ... but a player who has years and years of experience, in the past where we have no accessible on-line resources to easily verify their contemporary media references shouldn't be subject to whole-sale deletion.  I'm concerned that there may be an anti-Irish element to this as well ... though I haven't mentioned this, as that would violate WP:FAITH without further research into the issue.  If you look at my brief prod comments, they are most, if not all, related to this particular issue.  Generally I don't believe prods are appropriate for long-standing articles ... they should go to AFD.  Save them for the 17-year old rookie riding the pine.  It may well be WP:IDONTLIKEIT and that's because these particular prods represent WP:BIAS.  I've done nothing to violate, or even stretch the rules.  I resent the implication that I don't believe these articles are notable; I'd like an apology on that.  Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Really? The person who appears to trying to prod every Irish football player they can find is calling me disruptive? Look in a mirror. Read entirely what I wrote in the prod, and don't simply focus on a couple of words. I didn't remove the prod because it was 7-years old. I removed the prod because he was the top player for years on well known team.  It's inconceivable that he didn't get adequate news coverage in the day ... and the only reason the AFD will likely pass is because the lack of news sources for the 1920s and 1930s on-line.  You'd be hard-pressed to easily find sources for many English First Division players of the same time-frame.  These PRODs of yours are a clear example of WP:BIAS.  Quite frankly, I can't comprehend how you weren't banned from the project after you disgraceful behaviour after your AFD was rejected for Football at the 2015 Pan American Games of trying to speedy delete on clearly false grounds given that you the speedy you requested couldn't be applied for an article that that had passed AFD and your claim that there weren't any substantial edits other then the original author were clearly false given the article at the end of AFD bared no resemblance to the article beforehand. With such duplicitous behaviour, you have the gall to accuse ME of being disruptive? You lie like that, and make such claims about me?  Your a frigging disgrace  and you should be banned. Nfitz (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The main issue here is your lack of knowledge on WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL, which is worrying. who created Football at the 2015 Pan American Games is a sock, so what should have happened is the article should have been deleted BEFORE the AfD per WP:DENY. I would also read WP:CIVIL as you are not showing me much at the moment. JMHamo (talk) 01:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you shouldn't have AfD'ed the article then! You've been proven as a liar, and you didn't even apologize about it. An unapolagetic liar then.  I don't think pointing this out violates WP:CIVIL given the context of you making accusations of me being disruptive, after what you've pulled. I didn't mention this until you started with the accusations. #PeopleInGlassHouses Nfitz (talk) 01:21, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The CU was only completed after the AfD had closed, so I couldn't verify the sock and was unaware that you couldn't speedy delete an article after it had been through AfD. I know that now. It was restored once the error was spotted (by you). It was all in good faith. I will be sending more non-notable Irish footballers to PROD, so if you have an issue, could you please discuss it with me first before it removing the tag as it will go straight to AfD if you do, as has happened with Billy Dennis (Irish footballer). The chances are that AfD will delete them anyway, so to avoid wasting peoples time, think before you remove the tag. JMHamo (talk) 01:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Even if you didn't know that you couldn't speedy an article that went through AfD (you can for some categories though), that doesn't explain in the speedy your claim that there were no substantial edits by others. The state of the article between the last edit of Mero34, and just before you speeded it  was so completely different, that it was essentially a new article. And then when I tried to point out the AfD issue to the closing moderator for the speedy, you apparated out of nowhere User_talk:Malik_Shabazz/Archive_45 and tried to misdirect me ... not even mentioning that you were the one who speedied it!  I'd put it all down to merely ignorance (of the speedy rules) and incompetence (in not checking that the current article had no similarity to the one written by the sockpuppet), if it were not for that you had both behind the AfD and the speedy.  That just seems too coincidental to me. As for Irish footballer - I'll keep unprodding those who have long playing histories so you might as well take them to afd in the first place; though you'll note I haven't unprodded them all.  I want a record of these deletions, so that when I have the time to dig into them properly (I'm forseeing some spare time in the early 2040s) the history is there. As for Billy Dennis (Irish footballer) - I may have chosen the wrong hill to die on :) there's something going on there I can't fathom. Nfitz (talk) 02:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

You have been been removing PRODs willy-nilly for years, and the issue has been raised multiple times before; see User talk:Nfitz where raised this issue in July 2008 (nearly 6 years ago!), and again by N57 at User talk:Nfitz (August 2008), and by me at User talk:Nfitz (May 2009), and by  in January 2014 at User talk:Nfitz. You may only have 10 PROD removals in 3 weeks, but when you have only made 50 edits overall in 3 weeks, 20% of your edits are PROD removals. It is extremely hard to WP:AGF when you a) constantly remove PRODs that are subsequently deleted at AFD and b) remove PRODs without properly explaining why. "No" is simply not a good enough edit summary. So either you don't know how notability works (even though you have been around longer than me, nearly 9 years!) in which case this is a competency issue; or you are removing PRODs disruptively. GiantSnowman 09:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I fully agree that this is verging on disruptive behaviour. A quick scan of Nfitz's deleted contributions suggests that he has deprodded 59 articles so far in 2014 that were subsequently deleted, with only one subsequently reinstated. This is clearly a huge waste of other editors' time ingoing through the AfD process. Unless agreement can be reached that Nfitz only deprods articles that pass WP:NFOOTY, then I suggest an RFC/U or an ANI report with a suggestion of a topic ban with the aforementioned restrictions on deprodding may be a way forward. Number   5  7  13:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your telling me that of the articles I've deprodded in 2014, only one hasn't subsequently been deleted? I'm not sure I believe that ... more than one was patently absurd. I maintain though, that deleting articles for leading players in League of Ireland, Costa Rica, and other third world countries is WP:BIAS and likely demonstrating the prejudice of those who routinely try and delete the articles for leading players in poorer countries.  And what's with wasting everyone's time trying to delete articles for 18-year old, that we all know we'll be reinstating within the decade.  You accuse my of wasting time?  Look in a mirror. At least I'm haven't tried to break the rules like User:JMHamo. Nfitz (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * With regards to the first part of your statement, read what I said more closely, then you might understand what I said. Number   5  7  00:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Is it really necessary to be so utterly rude when you post? Can't you state what you believe without being condescending?  What do you mean by reinstated.  The prod?  The article?  What's the relevance of how many articles that were unprodded that were subsequently deleted.  Isn't they key factor the number that WERE NOT deleted?  Removing a prod is simply saying that this is something that may be contentious, and should be looked at closer.  I haven't looked at the stats, not do I know how to pull them (perhaps you could explain that, if you could do so without being condenscending) but as long as I'm batting 5% I'm happy.  There's nothing wrong with looking closer at something before deleting.  Better we go through 99 unnecesary AFDs than we delete 1 article in error. Nfitz (talk) 00:30, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I support a topic ban. Although has been on Wikipedia for years he clearly is not competent enough and has a lack of the basics, like WP:GNG. The stats speak for themselves, even if he is not aware of it. JMHamo (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your just seeking revenge, because I caught you red-handed trying to break the rules, and lie about it. Nfitz (talk) 00:16, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please don't act childish. The reason you concern me is that you really believe that I have a mission to delete "articles for leading players in poorer countries" and we should keep all non-notable 18 year-old player articles because they will be notable in a decade. Enough said. JMHamo (talk) 00:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No I just think you like getting your way. Not once have you apologized for trying to break the rules, and also for your bald-faced lie (or is it just gross incompetence) that there were no substantial edits between .  Why did you make such a bizarre claim? Nfitz (talk) 00:33, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I have had enough of this - I don't need to apologise for anything. You are not competent enough to be here and looking at your block log, it won't be long before you get blocked again in my opinion. Oh, just so you know, Ireland is not a Third World country. JMHamo (talk) 00:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * My gosh, is their no sense of humour here ... of course it isn't. However, your belief that you should be apologizing for your huge mistake (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume that it was a mistake) is evidence that your not competent enough to be here in my opinion.  You screwed up ... why shouldn't you apologize? The same way that User:GiantSnowman should have apologized when I caught him gaming the system, by removing all the references from Alexandru Pascenco, and then BLPProdding it, despite it being easier to simply replace the references with other very easy to find references. Nfitz (talk) 00:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nfitz, I suggest you re-read the discussion at WT:BLPPROD, where editors/admins far more experienced and competent than you concluded I had done no wrong - the same cannot be said for you. If you cannot, or will not, that your own behavior is concerning, then we may have to propose a formal topic ban at AN. GiantSnowman 09:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What's with the condescending tone. Please don't do that. I'd suggest you re-read it. While it concluded that you were entitled to remove bad references, it also noted that I would consider removing an unreliable source and then immediately placing a BLPPROD on an article to be inappropriate, clearly goes against the intent of the BLPPROD policy and Such behaviour is quite difficult to justify in good faith, and it is gaming the system. I think it's the immediacy of the BLPPROD that was the issue. Though why you simply didn't grab an easy-to-find good reference I don't know .... Nfitz (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I've fully explained at WT:BLPPROD why I didn't add a reference at the time, I'm not going to repeat myself. GiantSnowman 14:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Enough already. Tell you what, I'll compromise, and shift slighty from my WP:DGAF philosophy, be a bit more discerning about my prod removals, and provide a summary when I do so, even if they are repetitive and the same as others.  Still, if you lot think I don't understand WP:GNG - while quite frankly I don't.  So here's your chance:
 * Educate me. The best example I've ever seen of me just not understanding WP:GNG was at Deletion_review/Log/2008 August 9.  I still fail to understand how that article was deleted, with the Jack Wilshere being the subject of long features stories in major international publications.  Perhaps if someone could explain that to me in a way that I'd understand it, I might realise what I'm clearly missing. Nfitz (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hundreds/thousands of young players get hyped up in the media every year before drifting off into obscurity, a throwaway article does not constitute the "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" required by GNG. See also WP:ROUTINE. Basically, you need more than basic sports journalism. GiantSnowman 14:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * They might do, but there aren't hundreds playing for one of the top teams on the planet, with features articles written in newspapers around the world. How did Jack Wilshire not meet WP:GNG given all those newspaper articles from countries around the world.  Again I stress, if I'm seeing stories printed on newsprint in my LOCAL paper thousands of miles away, and such stories are being written around the world, then how is WP:GNG not met?  Going through the GNG criteria ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" - check; " Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, " check; ""Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, " check, ""Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it." check ... Nfitz (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you aware of WP:BLP1E? GiantSnowman 18:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I am, and it requires that to not have an article, that 3 conditions have to be met. The second condition is "If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual.". The second condition was not met, as based on the comments from the club itself, that Jack Wilshire was unlikely to remain a low-profile individual.  Possibly to remain, yes. Likely to remain, no. The first condition (that it be a single event) was also iffy, given that there stories about his impending first-team starts with Arsenal, along with other articles about his potential for the national team ... though that was more borderline. Nfitz (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But there are many, many, many 16 year olds (as Wilshere was in 2008) who never make it. We cannot assume future notability. GiantSnowman 18:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There are, and they wouldn't deserve articles (yet). The issue here wasn't the age. The issue here was there were hundreds of articles published on paper, in major newspapers, around the world. We're not just talking sports publications, but major high-circulation daily papers.  The coverage at the time seemed very unusual for a player who'd never played a professional game. And much of the coverage discussed his impending and inevitable (barring tragedy) first-team appearance.  I've never seen such a clear-cut case. And yet it was still rejected.  As such, no, I don't understand WP:GNG. Nfitz (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hundreds of articles?! I've looked back at the article as it was on 7 August 2008 (the last edit to pre-date the DRV). It contained 11 references - 7 match reports, 1 YouTube video, 1 piece by Setanta Sports and 2 published by the Arsenal website. If the article met GNG, it didn't show it. Please take this the correct way - if you admit you don't understand how notability works, it might be better for you to not edit in the realm of article notability (i.e. PRODs, AFDs) etc. GiantSnowman 19:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, hundreds of articles. Jack Wilshire was deleted on July 27, 2008, following a 5-day deletion discussion, which I didn't participate in (as is typical for me, I'm on vacation in late-July). The GNG concerns, including the hundreds of articles were only discussed in the subsequent Deletion Review starting the 9th of August. There was significant news coverage between the AFD and DRV, with all the news reports during pre-season games, as it was apparent to all that Wilshere was going to be part of the first team. The article itself never contained what it should have had. As far as I can tell, what should have happened is the article should have been restored in mid-August when it became clear what was going to happen, and then the original article being reused as a starting point, rather than many editors wasting time recreating the same article multiple times from scratch, until one finally stuck.  It's this waste of time recreating articles, and losing merge histories, that I object to with young players.  Maybe the new WP:Drafts is the solution to this issue. Nfitz (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You are confusing "significant" (as in "lots") and "significant" (as in "detailed") - GNG concerns itself with the latter, bit the former. The number of articles written about an individual do not matter, especially if the (apparent) 'hundreds' of article are all along a similar vein of "hotly-tipped young player could maybe play in the future." Time should not be wasted re-creating deleted articles; when a player becomes notable simply ask the deleting admin to restore the history, I do it all the time and it takes literally 5 seconds. What does waste time is the number of AFDs that have had to be created after you removed PRODs from clearly non-notable players. GiantSnowman 20:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that there were hundreds of articles that mentioned him. I'm saying there were hundreds of articles, and there were many "significant" ones that featured him (can't say I counted how many were "significant", but there were many - I've never seen such a clear case, in my mind).  They weren't "could maybe" player or "in the future", but "will play" and "he will be a star", leaving little room for "maybe" and completely eliminating any WP:CRYSTAL concerns.  Sure, you might restore the merge history all the time, and I request it all the time (often years after the article was recreated, and history lost), but many, if not most, editors don't do this, and this is the systemic problem at the root of my concern about the whole-sale deletion of articles of up and coming players (not to be confused with articles like Wilshere which I feel easily met WP:GNG - that article is the exception, most don't meet WP:GNG  Wilshere remains, for me, the least comprehensible doesn't meet GNG decision I've ever seen ... and perhaps if I understood that one, I might understand some of what I think are more borderline ones. Nfitz (talk) 20:33, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But stating "will play" and "he will be a star" - before he has started his career - is 100% equal to "could maybe" or "in the future" - WP:CRYSTAL! GiantSnowman 20:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I 100% disagree about this. WP:CRYSTAL isn't an issue, because even it says "almost certain to take place" not "will take place". Should we delete all the articles about the 2018 World Cup in Russia, because as things stand now, it's not impossible (though unlikely) that this might get moved, now that respectable international politicians are comparing Putin to Hitler (and I'm still not sure how 2022 will happen, given the summer heat in Qatar). Nfitz (talk) 21:26, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, it would be a different matter if these articles were well-written and well-sourced i.e. if GNG is borderline/debatable, because then I'd agree a PROD should be removed and the article taken to AFD for wider discussion on notability. But you are removing PRODs from articles that are so nearly unreferenced and clearly non-notable by both GNG and NFOOTBALL standards. GiantSnowman 14:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * A few that didn't meet standards might have got mixed in the majority for which I felt a wider discussion at AFD was necessary. In the same manner that many editors have some articles that they shouldn't have Prodded, when the majority should have been. I'm not seeing a huge deal here, despite that I've deprodded more articles recently than I often do, I certainly haven't removed a majority of the football articles prodded. Nfitz (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Your question about AGF
On the ANI thread I opened, you ask: Is it extremely hard to AGF when an editor edits from an IP, while clearly having detailed knowledge about the ins-and-outs of how Wikipedia works? I'm not sure whether or not your question is a rhetorical one. Anyhow, I feel it is a good and relevant one, which deserves some consideration. My own answer would be I don't find any difficulty in assuming AGF from an IP (whether experienced or otherwise) as long as the contributions appear constructive. Fwiw, when editing as an IP I'm rather careful to provide clear edit summaries, for the benefit both of other contributors and of patrollers. 86.169.210.196 (talk) 16:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * In response to your query: I prefer to edit as an IP for several reasons. One of them is actually that I believe the IP experience is relevant to Wikipedia. Contributing as an IP (to avoid malicious profiling, being able to move on, etc) provides me with a somewhat different perspective, which I sometimes feel needs representation. Hence, the ANI thread. I've been reflecting on the difficulties you relate regarding AGFing (I honestly hadn't thought before of those suspicions). I'd say, just do it... I mean, even if I were a blocked editor (which I'm not), would a series of constructive IP edits be so detrimental to Wikipedia? On the other hand, could regular shoddy treatment (including AGFing) of constructive IPs be a real issue? 86.169.210.196 (talk) 19:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * That's pretty much how I see it too. (Your second reply relates to why I took the matter to ANI.) 86.169.210.196 (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
De728631 (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Question
Hi -- I saw that you were one of the delete !voters on a soccer player, for failing among other things to have played in an appropriate professional league. I was looking at an article on him here, and it appears that he now at least has done so (e.g., the Israeli Premier League, which is on this list). But before I start the article, I thought I would check with you to see if you agree. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:41, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Personal attack, please help
Hi, without any reason (I honestly dont know why) and IP gave a very disturbing message on my talkpage. I take these things seriously and is very sad for that message so I was wondering if you could make the diff "unvisible" in the edit history (and my revert), meaning that you can not press "preview button" and see what was written. I am not sure what to do about the editor since I dont want to aggrevate the editor even more. Please help, I dont like this situation at all. Thank you. QED 237  (talk)  16:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Looking at contributions I have reverted him once here and he has been reverted bu other editor as well on the same article. QED 237   (talk)  16:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protection
Hi Snowman. Could you semi-protect Swiss elections for a couple of months? It's been the target of for some time, and I suspect the IPs that keep removing the italics (which are used on these template to represent future elections) may be the same user. Thanks, Number   5  7  21:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks! Number   5  7  12:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Football at the Military World Games
Hello GS, do you think per the outcome of this Football at the 2011 Military World Games AfD that the following similar articles should also be redirected to Football at the Military World Games without having to go through another AfD? If you agree, could you please do the redirects.

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Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ JMHamo (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Pretty rectangles
Greetings! In my gnoming (currently CS1 errors) I couldn't help noticing the abundance of flag icons on local/national-level football articles – clubs, seasons, leagues, local tournaments. I know such articles can lack appealing images, but I can't help but feel that examples such as 2004 Santos FC season, 2006–07 Rangers F.C. season, 2006–07 F.C. Porto season, which are adorned abundantly with flag icons that appear to be used gratuitously and thus in breach of MOS:FLAG. I have begun removing some of the more blatant misuses. Your views? --  Ohc  ¡digame! 04:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd also add that some templates used in such articles, such as Template:Football squad player, made flag removal very problematic. I don't know if they were designed for use on these articles, but the obligatory use of flags in these suggests that they may have been designed for international tournaments/seasons but were simply taken and used in local articles without suitable adaptation. --  Ohc  ¡digame! 04:41, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Banhtrung1
He's been creating unreferenced BLPs for years. This is the worst part of Wikipedia for me. Tons of non-notable unreferenced BLPs, which are unwatched because virtually no one has heard of these people. If he includes a link to soccerway, that means I have to go through AfD to have it deleted? Talk about a huge amount of work. Created hundreds of AfDs to cover all the NN stubs (I don't know if they could all be grouped together in one AfD, although every single one I looked at was a stub with no usable information).  Enigma msg  15:05, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I hold no brief for, and have little knowledge of, that user's creations or their level of sourcing in general. But the one I removed the BLP PROD from today was sourced at the time of its creation (albeit minimally, but a single link to a stats database or a complete-record book is hardly an unusual level of sourcing for stub articles on English footballers) and was still sourced. Therefore the creator had done what they're supposed to do, and the BLPPRODder had not. Incidentally, that particular subject is a full international with caps in double figures. Probably hasn't made the national news in the US of A, but I thought we were supposed to be trying to counter systemic bias against subjects from faraway countries with strange-looking alphabets. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * A link to soccerway is not considered sufficient for a BLP. We're not doing articles on everyone who has a page at soccerway. Period. I'm pretty sure all these articles would get deleted at AfD, but I don't want to take 20 hours to nominate every one line unsourced article he's created. The article creator did not do what he was supposed to do. How about you look at his talk page?  Enigma msg  18:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually a Soccerway link is more than sufficient, as long as the person is notable. It is a reliable source and I have used it as a sole source on stubs I have created in the past. GiantSnowman 18:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, then. I had thought precedent was set that sourcing meant more than linking to a page on soccerway or another sports site.  Enigma msg  18:34, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But in any case, Struway is wrong. The article creator is not doing his job, and that's the issue. That's why his page is filled with notices about deletions. If the creator does his or her job, you don't have 30+ deletion notices on the user talk.  Enigma msg  18:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Struway is not wrong in the case cited. In that page, which is the only one I mentioned after my disclaimer that I held no brief for that editor's general standards, the creator had done what was required. It does us no credit if we attempt to bypass procedure because in our personal opinion, "virtually no one has heard of these people". cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Struway is wrong regarding the editor. I am discussing the editor here. It is Struway who brought up an individual article. It is not my personal opinion. It is a fact that most of the pages he creates are rarely edited and are on hardly any watchlists. That's problematic.  Enigma msg  18:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That last doubtless is true, and it's what happens when an English-language encyclopedia with few editors from non-English-speaking countries tries to cover notable topics from those countries. Too many topics, too few people, too little time. (Sorry, this'll have to be my last, I'm just off out). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That was precisely my point. I'm not going onto other Wikipedias and insisting there cannot be articles on any of these athletes anywhere. This is solely about the English Wikipedia. The stuff we have on the English Wikipedia is generally here because there are multiple editors who want it there. There's extensive coverage of video games and TV series because there are editors devoted to ensuring the articles meet the GNG. There are not editors for these hundreds of foreign athletes. Bahntrung has even said he does not know English very well. I am not suggested he be blocked from Wikipedia; just that he stop creating articles because he is doing a remarkably poor job of it.  Enigma msg  18:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Belated thanks
I know this is late but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your participation at my RfA. I was very inspired by the many that supported me and it’s that feeling of friendship and camaraderie that keeps me coming back to the project. So, thank you for your support and for your continued sense of fairness and compassion in all areas of WP. I look forward to the opportunity to work together in the days to come. Best wishes, -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 19:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thailand national under-14 football team duplicate articles
Hi GS, remind me what to do when two of the same articles are created Thailand national under-14 football team and Thailand national under–14 football team. I sent them both to AfD. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 06:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Block evading
Hello GS, FYI - is evading your block by using ... I know this because the IP edited Joshuaforest's sandbox (see IP contributions).. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that block. Could you also block as it's a second account of  as confirmed on my Talk page. I am assuming good faith that he didn't know you are to stick to one account being a new editor and all that. I filed a SPI here but it could be days before it's looked at. Thanks JMHamo (talk) 20:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

hello i am not joshuaforest i know him but im not him please believe this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.202.195 (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

PROD removals 2
Your PROD removals seem to be becoming increasingly disruptive; while removing PRODs from articles is normally fine, I would appreciate if you didn't a) remove PRODs from articles that you know are non-notable (given the VAST number subsequently deleted at AFD) and b) used better rationale than simply "no", as you have done here and here and here and here and here and here - at least provide a solid rationale. Your PROD removals seem to be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. GiantSnowman 19:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought the lengthy discussion at my talk page (now archived) had got through to you about your PROD removals. Glen Kamara shows clearly not. Once that AFD is closed I will be raising the matter at ANI (seeking a topic ban from removing PRODs) as it is clear that you simply do not know enough about notability to continue editing in that area. GiantSnowman 17:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't get to decide what other people think are valid PROD removals. How many PRODs have you put in place in the last 2 weeks? How many have I removed?  One? (actually I don't know ... I don't check whose PROD I remove, and I wasn't even aware that this one was yours ...). For that matter, how many PRODs have I removed since your previous post on my talk page.  Not many, and the majority have not resulted in articles being deleted, as far as I know. Will I make mistakes occasionally ... yes - it's not like you haven't PRODded a lot of articles in error.  Will I disagree with other editors?  Yes.  Still, at least when I make a mistake, I admit it unlike your attempt to game the system by removing all the references from Alexandru Pascenco, and then BLPProdding it. If your so sure this should go to ANI, why wait until the AFD is finished? Nfitz (talk) 22:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Not my PROD, I merely saw you had removed the PROD when I was looking at the article before casting my !vote at the AFD. Making the occasional mistake is fine - I've done it myself. Disagreement is also fine - but this is way more than that, and has been going on for a number of years. You admitted yourself last time that you didn't fully understand how GNG works - so to challenge a PROD on the basis of GNG is wrong. I'm waiting for the AFD to finish so that I can show that this is another article that has resulted in a 'delete'. GiantSnowman 11:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As per his example of Alexandru Pascenco, have you ever considered that you're following the rules so strictly that the result looks nothing like what the rules intended?89.160.181.63 (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No. GiantSnowman 11:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

IP
Hi, would you mind providing a fresh set of eyes on this situation? This IP supposedly took offence at a revert I made, and as a result is persistently using juvenile personal insults (1, 2). Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Your great friend mattythewhite removed information sourced from the Hull Daily Mail re a dead man. He did so with no explanation, why?????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.248.212 (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Soccer article
Apologies, I have now added a reference, though another Bulgarian editor may need to verify it! Best regards, P.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.157.114 (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC) You are very welcome! Cheers, P.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.157.114 (talk) 21:05, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Robbie Crawford
Only for reference, Robbie Crawford I sent to AFD was a Rangers player born in 1993, The Ayr player was born in 1994. They aren't the same player. Blethering  Scot  19:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I Wouldn't create any of the Ayr players either if I'm honest, I'm very borderline about the old div one championship as it is. Next season is going to be interesting with 2 possibly 3 new full time clubs. Blethering  Scot  19:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Im a bit dubious with the amount of non fully pro clubs this season, but if you look at next year I think it will be more difficult to disagree with, less non fully pro teams and there certainly will be an increase in coverage with arguably two big clubs joining it. Blethering  Scot  19:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Just hope they start playing better, they were terrible against Raith. Blethering  Scot  19:44, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Prod removals 3
I don't really see why you keep blanking an active discussion and moving it to an archive, before I've even had a chance to read the response! I assumed you just dropped the issue, but I noticed that you'd actually added a response, and then archived it 2 days later. I don't come into Wikipedia every day ... heck, I don't even come every week!

You wrote "You admitted yourself last time that you didn't fully understand how GNG works - so to challenge a PROD on the basis of GNG is wrong."

Hang on, your twisting what I wrote. I was saying that if Jack Wilshere really wasn't notable despite hundreds of detailed newspaper articles about him, from lots of different countries, in a few different continents, then I don't understand GNG. I didn't say I didn't understand GNG. I was implying that Wilshere was indeed notable, and I was trying to be polite. As this seems to have been lost on you, I'll be clear. Wilshere WAS notable, and you if you think that with hundreds of detailed newspaper articles about him, from lots of different countries, in a few different continents, then you don't understand GNG. I suspect however, that if you sat down and closely examined the many articles were were discussing back then in the DRV you'd agree with me.

I'll readily admit that I have deprodded the occasional article that even I'm not sure meets GNG. However I've deprodded them in good faith because I felt the needed wider discussion before deletion. This does no harm, and surely a wider debate can, and sometimes does, get different opinions than either myself, or the person prodding it would have realised. Sometimes I even vote for deletion of something I've deprodded! You act like I deprod everything. I certainly don't. I haven't even deprodded more than a half-dozen articles this month (is there a tool that let's you count this stuff ... it's hard to track, especially after deletion!). Looking at the recent footy prods I can see that there's ... my gosh, there's currently 132! (good grief!). Your blowing this WAY out of proportion. Please stop, and please try and be civil, and stop assuming bad faith. Nfitz (talk) 17:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't "blank" the discussion, I archive it - after 2 or 3 days of no response. That's more than fair enough. All I'm saying is it is very hard to assume good faith when you have shown yourself to constantly and consistently de-prod articles that later get deleted at AFD. Looking at your deleted contributions (something only admins can see) there are 50 edits to deleted articles between 10 February and 22 March. Of them, about 45 are PROD removals of articles that were later deleted! Can you not see why we might consider that a problem? GiantSnowman 16:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, I said blank it and move it to an archive. Why would you expect a response after only 2 or 3 days? Who ever would have time to pop in that frequently, particularly during weekdays - and even weekends are tougher now that the temperature is above freezing, football season has finally started. PROD removals before March 24th aren't relevant. We started the first discussion on this on the 21st of March. I agreed late on the 23rd of March to be more discerning. Surely if you think there remains an issue, the test is from the 24th of March to now.  I went through most of the prods yesterday, and really hoped to fine one to remove, ... sadly, I couldn't find one that I thought worthy of removal, despite searching various Irish and Azerbaijani sources.  (Though the whole question of whether Azerbaijani articles should be deleted is a different issue ... but easy enough to revert in the future if we conclude the league is fully professional, and I hardly think people are going to be lining up to recreate these in the meantime.) Nfitz (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Because most editors respond within that timeframe, and if they cannot they normally say so. You did neither so I assumed you were ignoring it. Yes the test is from 24th March to now, hence why I am waiting for the AFD to close as 'delete'. GiantSnowman 11:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, Articles for deletion/Glen Kamara has closed as delete and I will be raising the matter at AN in due course. GiantSnowman 12:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Hi there GS, AL here,

still at it again even though we presented evidence to the contrary to him on several occasions (the contrary being that if a player is raised in a country and receives youth caps for that country, even if he later switches allegiance he gets both categories), now on Fredy (Portuguese footballer), removed the PORTUGUESE FOOTBALLERS cat just because (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fredy_(Portuguese_footballer)&diff=598500079&oldid=598147080).

If you need more proof that this guy is MonFrontieres, well i can't present a clearer evidence. Hope your wikibreak is a fruitful one, cheers --AL (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * First of all, apologizes. But AL, I want know which is the difference between a Portuguese-born/raised foreign and a Portuguese-raised foreign? As you know, Angola has not competitive youth teams. Fredy, like other Portuguese-raised Lusophone African players, wants international opportunities since young age and Portugal offered him in several youth teams. The international spectrum show him other face at senior level, as the difficult to still represent Portugal against the more accessible option of represent Angola and obviously he returned with his original country. If you saw my evolution, in the past when a Portuguese(or another nationalities)-born/raised foreign player changed his football nationality I removed his categories of that nationality (except the categories related to the youth teams of that country), but now I accepted keeping. Only I still do not understand why I keep them in the case of the raises, like Fredy. I want know the importance which categories should be as encompassing in people, even if they are only raises and then return to their original nationalities. Regarding Kolins, I do not want to talk much about that. It's the past and I assure you that was not planned. At the time -before this decade, if I'm not mistaken- I had problem with the password, I do not remember, and made this one. But it was before all this discussion with you, AL. Therefore and to be cleaner, I will keep this user (the other is gone for me) and if the problem is to remove categories, I'll try not to make it (even if it goes against my opinion). But I need collaborate, I know search sources (and now I added them in the references and also in the Edit summary, that didn't knew) when I see lost data or not provided in the articles of things I know, like the Equatorial Guinean people and recently the Canadian soccer players. So, I apologizes to you. I keep learning in Wikipedia, right? I do not do it on purpose.--MonFrontieres (talk) 00:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * hello both - on this particular player, if he holds Portuguese nationality, and has represented them at youth international level, then he should remain in even if he now represents a different country (Angola) at senior international level. He has not lost his nationality, has he? GiantSnowman 16:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK Snowman, I agree, but I hope his article name will be redirect from the current "Fredy (Portuguese footballer)" to "Fredy (Angolan footballer)", because he has 2 things as Portuguese (played in youth teams and lives theme) while he has not 2 but 3 things as Angolan (he born there, his ancestry is Angolan (he's black) and represent the senior team (senior > youth) ).--MonFrontieres (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to suggest a WP:RM. GiantSnowman 19:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

MOS Flag
Hi GiantSnowman. Thanks for starting this conversation. Flags in sports have been a distraction from editing for years. So much wasted editor time on this issue, yet the impasse persists. Sadly, a lot of opinion on image usage on Wikipedia seems to disregard studies of how text and image presentation shape learning and aid meaning.

I've been working on athletics content for a long time and I'm glad that sensible and constructive conversations have led to good practice in that topic area. I'm more than happy to help workshop some ideas for footy articles – I think we can do better for readers. SFB 19:10, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Gaston Ramirez
Hi - your recent edit has left a big error message in the second paragraph. Could you take another look? Thanks. --  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

List of Bagratuni rulers of Armenia
Is it possible I can see the content from the List of Bagratuni rulers of Armenia article you deleted so I can merge any of it with the Bagratuni Dynasty? Or better yet, can you undelete it and allow you to add sources? --Steverci (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Vlado Bozinovski
Added refs. Don't see citations for his other clubs. Does it mean all will be removed pending reliable source? :) LRD NO (talk) 16:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Not the first time NFT has missing gaps in players' careers. LRD NO (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

RFA
For the topic of my admin request.

Hello. Please let me know how is my language skill so bad. I use words from different languages and places, as I fancy the languages used worldwide, I think I am allowed to use whatever best describes me. Also, it takes a lot of understanding to know what the 2nd person is stating. I acknowledge that I am bad at punctuations, just due to the mere reason that I tend not to use them at times. However, it does not put my language skills on bad track! Do they? Or I should say, "Does It?"

Please do not take any of my statements as wrong, and I will try and work on all the mentioned points, wherever and however feasible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrybrowne1986 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I am fluent in English. I know what I am stating. I prefer to use certain words of different origins, and that I believe does not count as "Non fluent" or "Not 100%". I have been taught in an English medium and I am sure of what I state. Hope the current statements are 100% proper and fluent. I am not offended mate, as it is often said in my part that, it is better to be wise, than a wise cracker. I am just being wise and trying to be a better Wikipedian, and in order to do so, I have to start in a nice way. Harrybrowne1986(talk)

Doubled article
Hi there GS, longtime no "see",

can you please see that Cristian Portugués Manzanera is deleted? The much better and accurate Cristian Portugués already exists, but i can't remember how you go about doing that, i recall you sent me a message five or six years ago, it had something to do with writing "redirect" and # in the article you did not want, can you please refresh my memory? Your message is undoubtedly in my archives, but i assume it will be quicker this way.

Thanks, i mean double thanks (for refreshing my wikiweapons and for deleting the article), take care --AL (talk) 22:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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History merge request again
Can you please merge the history of Pressure (play) and User:Blethering Scot/Pressure (play). Wish people would stop creating articles prematurely. Blethering  Scot  21:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

That vandal
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Stubs
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References removed
Hi, not football-related, but can you have a look at this edit, where various references I've added have been removed. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your involvement, and I see it lead to a bit of an exchange! I have made a few more minor changes, removing some unrefd material, but have left the spelling info in. Whilst I see the Mos/ZH page does ask for language information to be placed in the intro (or a side box), surely everything like that should still be referenced, and potentially removed if its not?  Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 07:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have hardly ever seen the latter being referenced, and it should only be removed if blatantly wrong. Your opinion, Eldumpo, I'm afraid, bears zero weight when weighed against that of the WikiProject's and community's. " My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome! " 18:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean things like WP:RS and WP:V? Any editor is perfectly entitled to challenge and remove unsourced information. GiantSnowman 19:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again but my recent edit has been reverted by Melkor, along with further edits to Qiantang River (cn removed, uncited/weasel wording re-added) and Greater Khingan (ref removed, challenged as unreliable but now leaves no cites, and surely some proof of unreliability should be given). Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There's also this previous edit at Shandong Peninsula. Eldumpo (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , you might wish to raise this at WP:ANI, I would probably now be considered WP:INVOLVED. GiantSnowman 11:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

CobolScript article
I was researching into CobolScript (being an ex-COBOL programmer myself) and, finding no Wikipedia article (well, there is one on it.wikipedia) decided to create one, but then discovered an earlier version had been deleted, and your name was mentioned. I understand it was deleted due to lack of verifiability and notability, but can you tell me if it is possible to retrieve the information from the old article (or is it basically similar to the italian version, . Many thanks, Lynbarn (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Tom Sermanni
I have added references for the friendlies. The 2014 Algarve Cup and USWNT have the rest of the refrences.Harvardton (talk) 22:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being vigilant. What I was saying is the other articles have the references. I have added one more reference on Algarve Cup.

List class article
This is a bad and inappropriate edit]. I've been involved in assessing articles, primarity Ireland and NI articles, since about 2007 and upon this is clearly a List-class article not a stub as I initially assessed it. You just added the project tag but left the assesment to more knnowledgeable project members to assess it. That is what I did. As an admin, you are well aware that you don't WP:OWN the article or its talk page, so please leave the project assessment to those who are more familiar with the criteria and especially one who was involved in developing the assessment criteria for the Ireland project in the first place. ww2censor (talk) 23:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Please don't tell me my edit was "bad", especially when it was anything but. What exactly makes it a "list-class" article? It is a stub - currently, hoping to expand significantly over time - and the article contains a list. That does not make it a list, does it? GiantSnowman 23:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe it is a bad edit, that's my opinion, because the article is a list-style page and therefore list-class article for project assessments. If it were a stub you could expect, as you suggest, that it might someday be expanded to Start or better but I don't think it can, however each of the individual linked subject from the list can be expanded if details are available. President of Ireland containes a list but is obviously not a list-class article because it has significant prose about the topic in question and is not primarity a list. Disappeared (Northern Ireland), as with most lists, has a short few sentences to explain what the list is about, the prose does not dominate the list but is subservient to the list. At this point in time it is a list-class article and that is the assessment I gave it. It is that simple. BTW, as an admin I would have though you would respect my polite request to keep discussion in one place per my edit page notice. I really hate disjointed disucssions and you can always drop me a talkback when you reply. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * please AGF - I didn't see your edit notice, and I always respond on the other user's talk page unless requested, like you have done just now. Give me 30 minutes to expand the article and show you it is more than a list! GiantSnowman 09:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's just a pity you didn't spend that 30 minutes expanding the article yesterday afternoon, instead of wasting the best part of a day creating drama. Scolaire (talk) 11:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The exact same can be said for you. GiantSnowman 11:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. When somebody is threatened with ArbCom sanctions, the stakes are a bit higher ;-) Scolaire (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I fail to see how you could have missed my edit note as it takes up good part of the screen when you go to edit mode, but anyway, it's all here now. I do AGF but your edits make it appear like you want to OWN the page. Your so called expansion is primarily information duplicated from the individual articles about the subjects in the list. We don't require duplication. To me it is still a list-class article that you are now trying to fudge into a non-list article. Go ahead, own the page and ignore other editors' opinions. ww2censor (talk) 13:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * What edits that make I OWN this page? My one revert?! Get a grip. Same with your instistence this is "list-class" - how exactly? A stub article (although now it should probably be upgraded to 'Start' class) with a short list is not a list! Finally my expansion is nothing more, or less, than including additional information about the topic as stated in the sources provided. That's kinda how Wikipedia works... GiantSnowman 16:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

"Yank" Levy
Good question. Take a look at the talk page. I've been trying to get this corrected, and it has been debated to death. 7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the DYK nomination page. I tried to get this fixed, and nobody listened.  Not one source except wikipedia has ever used "Albert".  It wasn't on his birth certificate.  It isn't on his book. It isn't in any of the 30+ sources in the article.  The American National Biography went out of its way to mention that Wikipedia got it wrong.  He is either Bert Levy or "Yank" Levy" or "Yank" Bert Levy (which is what he used on his book.  Do take a look at the Life Magazine article.  Most of the sources use "Yank" Levy.  If you don't want to bother reading the article, just look at the title. on the references.  I made it clear how I felt about the name change, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.  Not to mention the TIME magazine article.  Put text from Time Magazine article on reviewers page. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be a consensus. Talk:Albert Levy (soldier) Could you close this out and move it? Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 11:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Move
If you have a chance before this request is done could you move Bullets Over Broadway The Musical to Bullets Over Broadway (musical) over the redirect. Thanks. Blethering  Scot  16:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Blethering  Scot  21:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim Lister
Hi,

I noticed you had created a page for Jim Lister of Brechin City and Dumbarton. Just to let you know, the Jim lister on the page you've created is the same Jim Lister that is on soccerbase as James Lister (although the dates they have for his time at Berwick and Alloa are wrong) and is currently still playing for Airdrieonians. I haven't edited the page myself to reflect this as I'm still trying to find references for his moves between clubs and his time in the junior leagues. A Well Fan (talk) 21:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to have two soccerbase pages. Blethering  Scot  21:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks to you both for the heads up, I'll try and have a look for more/better sources tonight when I have time, and correct his career, unless you beat me to it...! GiantSnowman 11:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Possible block evasion
Hi, I have seen what might be possible block evasion/sock so I thought I would bring it to someone with a better knowledge of these kind of things.

It is regarding

Here is my reasoning. When Sinevik was block for repeatedly removing content and blanking without any explanation (about 4 final warnings before block) an other editor came along on the same type of articles (and many articles are exactly the same), doing the exact same thing. I noticed that Golour was the first editor and he/she took a brake after 4 March 2014 and then Sinevik made his first edit at 6 March 2014 (two days later). Then Sinevik continued until the block at midnight 28/29 April 2014 at which Golour woke up and made his first edit since his brake in march just 17 hours later (same contribution diff as above). A quick look at Juan Iturbe revision history or Alex Telles history tells they make the same edits, and looking at their contributions they edit same kind of articles.

I dont say anything about actions, that is up to you but it seems as if they might be same editor and that it is block evasion. This is why I kept reverting even if I am close to edit warring (sorry). Felt like someone editing under new account should be avoided and if I stopped he/she would get their will through. QED 237  (talk)  22:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI
Good, GiantSnowman, good! You've displayed complete disregard for WP:TPG (which means I would not mind if you removed this post) and an unwillingness to de-escalate the situation, dozens of hours after my last edit at Gan River (Jiangxi); a sane person, given the time frame among others, would stay away from ANI drama and continue discussing the content itself, not come running to Papa. You've also overlooked the fact my only two edits were not performed using semi-automated tools of any kind. " My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome! " 16:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The proper solution, I think


I'll let you have first pick between the bunch of little slaps and the one big one; I'll take the other. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Vika Lusibaea
Hi. Regarding your edit to the article on Vika Lusibaea… I understand you're just following the rules, but frankly it strikes me as rather absurd to indicate her date of birth twice in the first few lines of the text. Just as importantly, I see nothing in the MOS that advocates such a presentation, nor which frowns upon the initial, neater presentation. So as not to leave a bizarre presentation up while the article is linked to from the main page, I'm reverting your edit, for now. But we can of course discuss it, to work out what's preferable or recommended. Thanks. Aridd (talk) 07:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Kindly remain civil, as I was to you… I asked you what the correct procedure would be. Thank you for having edited the article accordingly, but you could have dispensed with the aggressiveness. It's reactions like those which dissuade me (and many other people) from contributing to Wikipedia…
 * For the record, I still think it looks silly to create a separate sentence just to say "She was born in Fiji", when it would be much neater and less clumsy to indicate her place of birth in the introductory line next to her birthdate. And the MOS does not prohibit indicating the place of birth. Nonetheless, I'll leave it at that. And because I came to Wikipedia to contribute, rather than to be shouted at rudely over nothing, I'll be taking an indefinite break from contributing to this encyclopaedia. Aridd (talk) 08:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Point taken regarding places of birth, although I still think it's silly and unwieldy. For the rest: No doubt I'm rather too sensitive, but I was being perfectly truthful when I said that unnecessary aggressiveness is strongly dissuasive to contributors. Tone matters. Something which I respectfully suggest you may wish to take into consideration in future. Aridd (talk) 08:24, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's okay. As I said, I may be slightly too sensitive, too. It's still better, nonetheless, if I take a step back from Wikipedia for a while, until I'm in the proper mindset for editing once more. Aridd (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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Diego Costa height's
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Sigi Schmid
I came back from a long wiki break to fix an article before it goes live on the main page. What do I see? Someone eliminating a whole table of data without even trying to fix it. Fuck now I remember why I stopped editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cptnono (talk • contribs)

Mas y mas
Are his personal abuse considered offensive enough to be reported? Here and here. Thanks. LRD NO (talk) 12:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Is it okay to revert his edit on Shahril Ishak? Afaik, there's a 3RR rule which I should be careful of running foul of. LRD NO (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

James Wilson (footballer born 1995)
Hi GS, please semi protect James Wilson (footballer born 1995) as there is loads of vandalism at the moment.. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Dermot Drummy
I have no idea if I'm doing the right thing here GiantSnowman. Is this how I talk to you? I don't know. Your user page also says you can be contacted by email but there is no email address given. I find the nuts and bolts of Wikipedia to be lacking in any kind of intuitive sense and very frustrating or is that just me? Any way you have undone an entry of mine for Dermot Drummy asking for a reliable source for the information I have given. The difficulty is that I can only quote my own knowledge and private records as the historian of Ware FC. How do I express that in a satisfactory way. Hacman100 (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Click on Tools on the left side of this page. Email this user then appears. One click expands it; other click makes it small.  Click on it, and you can send GSM an e-mail.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Javi Martínez
Hi, could you please explain why you removed the statistics tables with this edit? It can't have been due to a lack of references as every season had at least one reference. --Jaellee (talk) 15:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey soccer admin
I need you to look at something: the last section on User talk:RealDealBillMcNeal. ASAP if you can. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ GiantSnowman 09:00, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was alerted by those edit summaries, and their rather dismissive (and unclear) response to my note, following their reverts (forgetting the D in BRD), didn't endear me to them anyway. Thing is, Bleacher Report is cited all over the damn place, esp. in (college) football articles. The actual article needs a lot of work, since a non-specialist (like me) has little reason not to accept it, and the same goes for that Goal.com article. So there's your summer assignment, which should keep you from melting, Snowman. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Dispute, seeking help.
Hi, I am in a dispute with an other editor on Premier League Golden Glove so I am seeking your help.

First of all I am not proud of my own behaviour. I have had a bad day (no excuse) so I give myself timeout for a day (after this post) unless I spot clear vandalism on my watchlist. You dont have to give me edit-warring template I know I made something wrong and I wont continue. It would only make my "opponent" happy.

It all started with the edit summary How amateurish to use rowspan., from an editor who's edit summaries makes me feel liike he think he is better than everyone else and I do not like those people. I was the one inserting rowspan in the first place after someone added two players on the same row.

Then he used CAPS in his edit summaries and changed order of nationalities so I responded while making an edit with edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premier_League_Golden_Glove&diff=608275256&oldid=608274135 ''These lists are ALWAYS alphabetically when same amount of wins. Also VERY AMATEURISH to "downgrade" what other editors have made (dissing rowspan). You are not making friends...'']. Ge responded immediately with a revert and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premier_League_Golden_Glove&diff=608277314&oldid=608275256 ''Premier League Golden Boot, a FEATURED LIST, has it sorted by first wins. YOU'RE the one whose being amateurish!''], the first time someone directed a comment to anyone. Therfore I gave him an hararssment notice on his talk saying I dont appreciate that, wwhich he reverted directly and now he started saying my edits are joke and so on at my talkpage.

I have tried to open a discussion at Talk:Premier League Golden Glove.

All he does is saying "He knows how featured article should be" (implying I dont) and how many articles he has made and saying I am not a good editor. I am so tired of this attitude, It is not worth being on wiki when people like that think they are better than everyone else. I might just leave, i am tired of this (I am lucky only running in to this about every third month). Just because he find one article one wway does not mean it has to be like that everywhere. QED 237  (talk)  21:40, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * For the sake of transparency, Qed237 actually had the gull to revert my edit on my own talkpage. I think WP:BOOMERANG should apply here. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * May I add, comments like [Are you high? are not exactly helping. Are you [[WP:WIKISTALKING|Stalking]] me? QED 237   (talk)  21:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Since when did an edit summary on an open WP article constitute stalking? Am I missing something here?  Or is someone just not getting the point? —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I measn you follow me whereever I go, and uses minor insults all the time. Your attidtude is horrible, this is why I react. All the time you say you are better and try to include wikilinks to all kinds of places, feeling you are somebody. Please just STOP. QED 237   (talk)  22:05, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, and, I'd advise you both to take a few hours our voluntarily before your absensce is enforced. Then come back and discuss the matter calmly! GiantSnowman 09:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, believe me when I say that after I woke up I am not to proud of my behaviour last night. But I fail to see were I was uncivil, as I stated above it all started by the poor attitude of the other editor, claiming other edits are amateurish, when he said "how amateurish to use rowspan" and in general he kept saying things like "I have edited 13 Featured lists", bringing up WP:COMPETENCE (am I incompetent?) and keep saying he was the better editor and that gets me going. When I said to him not to harrassment me he just said "BS, get out of my talk". No editor is better then anyone, and I dont see anything in policies that the lists have to be done in his order, when I could provide lists that were not. Once again I am sorry for edit warring, I should have stopped and asked for help with this users attitude immediately instead of continuing, that is on me. I am just finding it hard not to react on such behaviour. I will try and minimize my interaction with the editor, and just hope that he drops the attitude. QED 237   (talk)  09:39, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I am also sorry for bringing this discussion to your talk, it was meant for a single admin intervention and not a new place for us to argue at. So sorry. QED 237   (talk)  09:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It is fine, do not worry, just please do not repeat your behaviour again - other admins probably would have blocked both of you long ago, but I won't as the disruption seems to have stopped. GiantSnowman 10:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, since the dispute I have not edited the article Premier League Golden Glove or had any interaction with the user, yet he keeps on editing the article with edits like this. An edit I dont like and one of the major part in our discussion last night. I feel like it should be alphabeticcally, when same amounts of wins as it makes it easier fro reader to find their team/nationality. Is he allowed to continue? If so this might blow up again, beacuse now it feels like he gets everything the way he wants and my hands are tied, since I dont want to be blocked, but I cant close my eyes to him continuing despite our dispute. QED 237  (talk)  22:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see any issues with that edit - but if you feel there is perhaps you should raise at WT:FOOTY for wider input? GiantSnowman 09:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The issue is that he changes the order, that was what our dispute was about and he keeps on doing it thinking "he won" the argument. It should be alphabetically to make it easier for readers. But if that is okay I guess it is okay for me to change it back...


 * I am considering WT:FOOTY as well as WP:DRN or WP:FL. QED 237   (talk)  09:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've stopped all communication with Qed237 for an entire day, after heeding MusikAnimal's advice to both of us to just drop it. Unfortunately, it appears I'm the only one adhering to this. If there's one thing we've learned from what has transpired over the past day, it seems that Qed237 believes (wrongly) that he's 100% right and I'm just 100% wrong. Look at the way he responded to his warning – I fail to see w[h]ere I was uncivil. Well, in order to refresh his memory, reverting my edits on my talkpage with "you earnt this", labelling me as "some ****", patronizingly telling me to "behave" (as if he himself doesn't have to) and falsely claiming that I said I "was the better editor" (show me a diff where I allegedly say this) – these don't appear to be civil at all. Yes, I acknowledge that I could've said things a bit better and I recognize I am partly to blame. But it is Qed237's failure to acknowledge his fault in this discussion that hinders any chance of having a civil and constructive discussion. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * - as I've said, this needs to be raised elsewhere. Ideally at WT:FOOTY, to minimise the drama, but if that doesn't work then it should be resolved at WP:DRN. But we should avoid escalation if possible. GiantSnowman 11:07, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I love how you say "it appears I'm the only one adhering to this", when you were the one continuing to edit the article without any consensus. QED 237   (talk)  12:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, there is nothing further than can be gained from discussing the matter here, it requires wider attention. This section will be archived tonight as I am going on holiday tomorrow for the weekend. GiantSnowman 12:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Since when the hell did you get the right to dictate what articles I can and cannot edit on WP? I'm not topic-banned, so I don't need anyone's consensus (especially yours) to edit an article.  I'd advise you to please read WP guidelines and policies before you make such ridiculous statements.  The first few times, fine, I'll assume good faith.  But this is becoming borderline disruptive. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Please note I am about to archive this (partly because I am going on holiday and want it 'fresh' for when I return, but mainly because it was getting nowhere} - I have dropped you both a message to confirm the same, I suggest you discuss the matter at the article talk page, WT:FOOTY or WP:DRN. GiantSnowman 18:10, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Arrivederci Roma
Have a safe journey. Take lots of good pictures for Commons! ciao. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * And when you can, have a look at this message regarding refs in honours mate, your mind will collapse (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattythewhite#Cosmic...).... Ciao! --AL (talk) 17:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Stone (soccer)
An article you contributed to the AFD of at Articles for deletion/Andrew Stone (footballer) has been taken to DRV at Deletion review by the closing admin User:Spartaz after he declined to undelete it following Andrew Stone's first professional start on Saturday. I'm notifying you in case you want to participate in the DRV discussion. Nfitz (talk) 22:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Dates
Gentile de' Becchi. "circa 1420 or 1430" is not accurate. This is not "about 1420", or "about 1430". It is "sometime between 1420 and 1430" i.e.  1421, 1422, 1423, 1424 etc but not  1418 (which is circa 1420) or 1432 (which is circa 1430).

Please rethink this and come up with some way of indicating that it was probably between 1420 and 1430. Amandajm (talk) 12:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Meyer Levin
Re your abrupt deletion of the bulk of the material contained in the above article. While you are correct in noting that these sections did not contain source references, would it not have been more appropriate to have first posted citation needed tags? This was very much a composite effort, made by at least six different editors over a period of several years and they should have given the opportunity to post their sources (several of which were already described in the text) where warranted. I would note that the article in its earlier form read well and appeared non-contentious. Now it is close to being a shambles 121.73.91.201 (talk) 12:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Dragan Skočić
Hi! What's your problem with Dragan Skočić page? Do you see other managers page yet? Do you see José Mourinho or Pep Guardiola's pages? You can not edit the page in you own-style. He is now manager of a big club in Iran and you can not edit the page just in you own-style. GTVM92 (talk) 08:09, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your replay in my talk page, but, I don't know what we should now? A football manager page must have his honours and trophies he earn and records and his statistics. What we should do now? GTVM92 (talk) 08:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a hard work for me that only know English and Persian not Croatian, Arabic or others! And also, in his main coaching career article, all honours that he has won with which club is said!!! GTVM92 (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Peter Rodger for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peter Rodger is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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 * Thanks for shepherding the stub and discussion through the AfD. I originally created a redlink from the shooting article that was quickly removed, I am glad to see the article got created and made it through an AfD, given the sheer amount of people who are searching for information on him and wouldn't have found it otherwise. --DarTar (talk) 02:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

FYI
Not sure if you noticed but an article you sent to AfD, and which was subsequently deleted, has been recreated. I cannot recall the details of the original article and don't know enough about soccer to be able to say if the new article now establishes notability or if it's just a recreation of the old one. Anyways I thought I'd drop a line to let you know in case you didn't see it yet. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Christiansen
Hi, not sure if you tagged Thor Nis Christiansen for inadequate sourcing. Actually, the sourcing is unusually good. What is lacking are the inline links to back specific items. snug (talk) 23:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment
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Nomination of Chronology of the Unofficial Football World Championships for deletion
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Lee Young-pyo
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Talk:Lee Young-pyo regarding an issue of the second syllable being non-capitalized in South Korean given name. Thank you. Sawol (talk) 12:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation
GiantSnowman, I would like to take this moment and thank you for taking part in my RfA that happened a while ago. Although it didn't turn out as I had planned, I certainly appreciated all the comments and suggestions given by you and other people. I will learn from all of them and will hopefully run again someday when I'm fully ready. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Unref
OK? --► Cekli 829  12:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In addition, I would say that, Azerbaijan national football team results article would benefit from. Best regards, --► Cekli 829  05:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Mentioned at ANI
See WP:ANI. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 13:49, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Go Phightins!
I wanted to alert you to this discussion, presently occurring on my talk page. Thanks.  Go  Phightins  !  19:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for blocking OAlexander. I was looking at some of his recent edits. Most seem to revolve around players who played in Soccer Bowl '80. Aside from the factual errors and editorial opinions about various players' abilities, the grammar used is clearly not that of some with a firm command of English (be it the Queen's English, North American, Australian or otherwise). He even went so far as to change the Strikers' kit to Red and White hoops, which doesn't match up with any photo from the match I've ever seen. I grew up in Florida watching the Rowdies and Strikers play and never saw a jersey like that, except for Team America. I'm sure he's well-intended, but my goodness. -kind regards, Creativewill (talk) 03:50, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Reliable sources
Hi GiantSnowman. We have talked together early about an non-reliable source addition at Liridon Krasniqi, called Soccerdatabase.eu. One user made an edit at Andi Lila putting a source that I think is the same as Soccerdatabase.eu, removing the National Football Teams source wich is reliable. I need your help there, what should we do, thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 15:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your correction. The mentioned website that I think it's the same as Soccerdatabase.eu i.e. a copyvio is the Eu-football.info, a website wich the mentioned user had putting early, also removing the NFT source. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 17:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Alright, but the strange there is that the NFT profile of Andi Lila shows that he made in total 46 appearances for the national team Albania, and in other side the Eu-football.info shows that he made it 47 in total?! Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

International goals
Not sure if you saw my response on my own talk page, but can we include international goals under the same process? Often easier to reference than honours. Macosal (talk) 02:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

User:ProudSalopian
Hi, could you take a look at a couple of comments written by this user? After I gave him a level 1 warning about removing en dashes he replied with this and later wrote this on his userpage. References to "concentration camps", "hairy bearded computer molesters" and "virginal ballbags" suggest to me this user is not here to build an encyclopedia. I'd personally give an indef block but I thought it would be best to ask for an independent judgement. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 10:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Just noticed the above, maybe my comments were over the top, but if you became offended by certain descriptions in the bio etc, then maybe the cap fits? - Im not suggesting anything of course, but there you are. - Take a look through my previous edits, they have all been made in good faith, I admit I make many mistakes, but this place isnt easy to grasp. - None of my comments were meant to cause offence, and if they did, well - Im not going to apologise as there are more impotant things, I just find some of peoples retorts comically patronising and "cliquey" (if thats even a word) Anyway, I'll carry on as normal, and look foward to our paths crossing on more jovial matters in the future

Mattythewhite Peace x

ProudSalopian (talk) 12:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

PS - I intend the above to come over with the best intentions, not "trolling" or anything like that.

All the best

ProudSalopian (talk) 12:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe they do, but like I say. Thats not the intention. ProudSalopian (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Football at Wikimania 2014
Hi,

I noticed that you took interest in singing up for a leaflet for WikiProject Football. I was wondering if there was any update on that.

Kind regards, Adikhajuria (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Infobox football biography
Consensus for the changes I made was reached on Template talk:Infobox3cols. Davykamanzi →  talk  •  contribs  •  alter ego   20:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Ángel Bernabé
Hi there GS, how's it going?

Part 1: yes, another heated reaction per your removals, i apologize. For me, rollback is a quicker "undo", i have never asked for it (someone granted it to me five years ago or so) and have repeatedly told the due people to strip me of that right if they see it fit.

Part 2: but you saw i, IMMEDIATELY after undoing you, went to work and found sources, why the scolding? I don't want to leave WP on a sour note (about 25 days to go now), much less with old wikifriends like yourself, Matty or Struway.

Still part 2: User:Mattythewhite (also an admin, you know that of course) told me that you can leave honours unreferenced in the proper section, as long as you source them in the prose. You say "NO, they have to be ref'd in the section too". Please talk this out between you too, this is glaringly inconsistent guidelines-wise.

Part 3 (per title of message): you "doubled" the wrong reference, the ref that shows his honour (not his CALLUP) is #6 not #5. I have already taken care of that for you. Also, i see that you reverted me again and reinstated the template, when i click the templated link it redirects me to the Portuguese version, that does not happen with the manually written link, but i give up.

Kind regards --AL (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry man, thought i'd already told you but i guess i overlooked you :( Yes, leaving after the World Cup now there's no backing down WP prima-donna attitude, 100% certainty. Leaving for all the reasons and then some, here we have discussed one (me not complying, due to stubbornness and/or plain lack of intelligence, to WP guidelines), but there's more, VANDALISM anyone?

Cheerio --AL (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Could you undo your removal: 12:45, 21 May 2014‎ GiantSnowman (talk | contribs)‎. . (5,747 bytes) (-1,242)‎. . (→‎Career Statistics: unref)to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Depay

Can't be done cause of intermediate stuff i don't know. But it was useful info and here's a reference for you: http://www.vi.nl/spelers/carriere/memphis-depay.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyIPadress (talk • contribs) 10:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

--EDIT--

Another one, same applies.

15:07, 25 May 2014‎ GiantSnowman (talk | contribs)‎. . (16,022 bytes) (-1,906)‎.

page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georginio_Wijnaldum

reference: http://www.vi.nl/Spelers/Speler/Georginio-Wijnaldum.htm

I think you shouldnt be throwing away well-constructed statistics tables just because theres a reference missing. Wouldn't it save, if not you personally then surely the community as a whole, a lot of time if you'd take the 6 seconds to find a reference instead of forcing whoever feels inclined to restore all you've undone? Not trolling just really don't get it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyIPadress (talk • contribs) 11:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your reply. But it really kinda just confirms what i said:

"Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step.[3] When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that there may not be a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable.[4] If you think the material is verifiable, try to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it." — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyIPadress (talk • contribs) 11:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

To quote from WP:BLP:

"Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

To also quote from Jimbo:

"I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons."

I think you should focus a bit more on the word "contentious" in the first quote, since it's more easily verifiable than the large part of info on wikipedia. The same goes for the "random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information" in the second.

When information is this easily verifiable and not open for interpretation it's just a bit much to just bluntly remove it. --MyIPadress (talk) 11:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Height
Hey, we use m instead of cm? Gibson Flying V was changing it on the Marcelo article and i reverted it. I see everywhere "m" listed, so that's we gotta use i believe. And i saw him getting reverted and no support for his opinion elsewhere... So? Kante4 (talk) 13:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok good. His behaviour at the Marcelo talk page was really bad in my opinion. Kante4 (talk) 13:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There's also this change to cm at Messi's article and more rumblings at Template_talk:Height.—Bagumba (talk) 23:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Frédéric Gounongbe
I propose to change it to Frédéric Gounongbe and have a RM for going to Frédéric Gounongbé... Almost all sources are stating Frédéric Gounongbe. Note also the dutch end french wiki versions for which I've added the link. Pelotas talk undefined contribs  16:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. For next time: WP:NOTBUR. To me all this is a quite stupid. You know as well the page will be moved, whether you like it or not. Pelotas  talk undefined contribs  18:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

John Brooks
You say John Brooks is an American Soccer player.

He in fact a Dual Citizen-- you should amend that fact.

Its a disgrace that you ignore his German Upbringing and English is his 2 nd Language. appalling to leave that out. Unless you are saying Germany is not a recognized country? Being of Germanic origin i am american but of German blood. Most people in America came from the European blood lines. You should be proud not hide this fact.

Mayflowerson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayflowerson (talk • contribs) 15:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Rong Ny1
Hello GS, I suspect is a sock of  as Kouch Dani (and others) have been recreated recently. Could you please take a look. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 16:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll take it to SPI. Boris Kok(footballer) was created as Boris Kok is SALTed. Thanks! JMHamo (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * for doing that JMHamo (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Divock Origi
Could you PLEASE for the love of God semi-protect this page? I already made a request at WP:RFPP but it has to be done ASAP because to many random IPs are repeatedly and endlessly vandalising the article. Thanks. Davykamanzi →  talk  •  contribs  •  alter ego   18:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Roberto Canella
How bout now, dear mate? Note, i did not remove the tag (tags better put!), hence this message.

Regards, from Portugal --AL (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Still not AOK, i see (according to you that is, to me it was very good but i'm suspicious because i created 99,9999999999999% percent of the article), i've added much more refs now. See man why i must leave? I have not grasped this "ref every sentence" concept we have here at WP - unless it's for highly contentious/controversial contents, that HAS to be ref'd of course - if i have not in EIGHT years, i'll never... --AL (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

A technicality now!
Is SCORESWAY.com reliable (it has a similar graphic approach to SOCCERWAY.com, not just the name mind you)? This user, which you have warned more than once if i'm not mistaken, keeps adding it to articles, and he also has an history of summarily removing his messages (without replying of course!) when he does not like them (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sportspap).

Cheerio! --AL (talk) 14:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

089baby socks
I just noticed you blocked as a sockpuppet of 089baby. Could you look into and  as well, given the usernames? Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk)

Wikipedia:Lee Gregory
Hello GS, could you please delete the following invalid redirect... Wikipedia:Lee Gregory Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of material
Hi, just a heads up that I am intending to start a discussion at WP:ANI re deletion of uncontroversial material. Would like some clarity/closure on this topic (will probably do so in the next 24 hours). Macosal (talk) 22:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Reverts
Hello GiantSnowman, it's me again and I need your help. I have some kind of edit conflicts with a user ip 206.45.85.82 as he made it a early edit by removing some important/or not things at Atdhe Nuhiu. Then I reverted once and he reverted once again. I'm caring the Atdhe Nuhiu's page and I came here for your help and I'm asking you to make the page correct. Also, the same user ip made another reverts, respectivelly at Valmir sulejmani, Lorik cana, Liridon Krasniqi. I think his reverts make no sense. (Sorry if my english is bad) Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Jesca Hoop
Hey GS,

I ran into trouble with some of my edits on the Jesca Hoop page. The management company (as [| Team Hoop]has done a number of reverts on the page and left a message on my talk page telling me to desist. I have stepped away from editing the page. Please advise. ( Karst talk) 13:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Kim Revell AFD
I closed it early as it was a clear Keep but I also realize it was perhaps a bit too soon!, Cheers. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  18:40, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Jiang Ning
In reply to your comments that you made in the Edit summary on 12:30, 2 July 2014‎ after your Jiang Ning edit where you once again deleted the text stating that Jiang was part of a Chinese team that was knocked-out in the first round of a tournament.

"the FIFA source in use does NOT confirm that China was knocked out in whatever round, it is just a list of this player's appearances in those tournaments" I find these comments particularly hypocritical considering that there originally was a source that I did provide, which had the relevant information called "Olympic Football Tournament Beijing 2008 -Mens" but you decided to remove it.

| Revision as of 11:35, 1 July 2014

I will restore your deleted edit and once again add the "Olympic Football Tournament Beijing 2008 -Mens" source back into the text but this time I will place it next to the existing one. I will also repeat the same thing for the 2003 FIFA U-17 World Championship. Hopefully this should be enough to end our disagreement on the Jiang Ning page. Kai Lau (talk) 23:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Highbeam
I stopped assuming good faith the moment you nominated an article with fifteen sources for deletion and ignored my comments about it being notable but needing to be improved. You do have access to Highbeam because I remember you were one of the few people on here I trusted and saw the value in sharing the resource with as I thought it would prove valuable for your work on footballers. This is how you repay me. You're most welcome to use it, but it would be nice at times if you could show editors such as myself some courtesy. It's times like this when I wonder whatever happened to the spirit of collaboration and mutual support. I removed your posts the moment you continued to say it wasn't notable even though it had 15 sources and groaned, dismissing it as another case of stubborn editor syndrome... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I emailed you and gave you access to it, one of the very few editors I thought worth sharing it with. I thought that was a really kind thing to do, I needn't have bothered. Obviously you haven't used it and I was wasting my time sharing it with you in the first place. And yes, I thought that was a nice gesture, your AFDing an article with 15 sources quite the opposite. You don't owe me anything, but a little courtesy would be nice. I completely disagree with what you say about the number of sources not mattering. Many of your lower league footballers have very little extensively written about them but are notable because they are mentioned in enough reliable sources and meet GNG. If over a dozen notable publications even think something is worth mentioning several times, chances are it's notable. Enzo Petito doesn't have any extensive coverage about him as far as I can see. Neither does Martin Miller (actor, born 1899). As character actors they easily meet guidelines. For a high percentage of topics on wikipedia there's not masses of material written about them in any given source but they meet notability based on minor coverage in multiple sources and it's our duty as wikipedia editors to glean what we can and try to produce decent well-researched articles, better than the sources which cover them. Obviously the truly notable topics would have masses of coverage, but wikipedia has never been the sort of encyclopedia which only covers very notable topics.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I understand, but I disagree. Obviously there has to be some line drawn and there has to be some half decent coverage at least in a ouple of sources, even just a paragraph. I think you know what I mean anyway, otherwise many of your football stubs would be deleted because there's not books or chapters in book written about them. In many cases I really think common sense applies. Enzo Petito barely has scraps written about him in sources, although in Italian newspapers probably has a lot more, but we wouldn't delete his article or if you did try to get it deleted it would be swiftly kept. There's thousands of articles on wikipedia which we think are worth keeping even though the info on them is generally scrappy. I'd say at least half of our Olympic bio stubs are a good example of this, especially pre 1960 athletes. I'm happy to email you it again, I'm sure you really would find it useful for your football articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleting content
On Charles Gauthier and Armand Point you removed places of birth and death from the lead per MOS. You were right to do that. You were wrong not to put them back somewhere else. Both have now been fixed. I will try to remember not to put them in the lead if you try to remember to put them elsewhere when you remove them! Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Reginald Menghi
Your redirect got changed back to a (crappy) article. See here. I have reverted it back. FYI. --220  of  Borg 16:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Enric Vallés
Thank you, GiantSnowman. I am a beginner in Wikipedia. I started with some articles in Catalan. About Enric Vallés: I'm from Puig-reig (Barcelona, Catalonia) and I know Enric Vallès parents, but I couldn't find the reference of his birthplace yet. I guess it isn't engouh, is it? --Quimpuig12 (talk) 08:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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Marcelo
Hey, i reverted back to the old version after reading the discussion(s). Just keep an eye on that article please, because Gibson went to the talk page right away again, thanks. Kante4 (talk) 10:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

reverted edits
Hi,

I have a query regarding edits I've made that you've reverted. I've probably done something wrong, so I need to know how to correct it. I tried to link my edits, to pages where I found the information,(I.E. soccerdatabase.eu/player/52624/ ) but wikipedia told me that this was not a correct source.

My main focus on edits on here are of British footballer who've played abroad, a subject I've written about for blogs, magazines etc. Information, especially from 1980s etc can be hard to find, even on the internet. I'd like to know what constitutes a correct source or not. I've edited, linking to historical statistical websites before with no problem, so I'm not sure why one source is more trusted than another.

Thanks,

Ian.

So, in respect of John Linford, which is page with a large amount of data missing, what source would be regarded as credible? I realize that Wikipedia requires a high level of accuracy, but that is not present on the current Linford page. I do not understand why the likes of Soccerdatabase are banned, bu www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/ are allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.65.58.85 (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Teddy Mézague
(Sorry for my bad level in English). Hello. No problem : there is a lot of reliable sources, but in... French... Sincerely. --34 super héros (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Reply
Greetings,

If you have not already done so, please visit my talk page and see that I was not asked to comment at the noticeboard. I was asked for advice intended to be placed on my talk page. It was I who chose to respond as I did. You will also see that the advice I gave was not supportive of his opinion regarding cm. But then I am also not supportive of your opinion of m. These are both opinions, not facts, and no WP:RS or group of them are capable of giving more than opinions either. When it comes to this thing of m or cm, there is simply no fact to be established except that both are acceptable. When, after all these months, I see you and he still going at it and wasting the time of the editing communities, I can only think it has become a matter a personal animosity, and that is disruptive. I would tender the same advice to you as I did to him at my talk page, and for much the same reasons, and I would also wish you well. Evensteven (talk) 17:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Hi, GS. I just wanted to drop by and let you know that I am starting to be active again. If I can be of service to you on sports-related issues or otherwise, please let me know. It's good for me to get out of my usual WP circles from time to time. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Doug Lehmann


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Jochen Figge
So, apparently we don't use days with dates??? Can you explain why some users do that? Like, I personally thought that dates stay the same while days don't. Like, every year it can be 10 July but it might be Monday this year or Tuesday next year. Plus, I see it being used by The Independent, Guardian and BBC, so I assumed it was a good practice. It it's not, explain your reasoning and I will remove the rest. Cheers. :)--Mishae (talk) 20:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * O.K. So, just couple minutes after my post here I realized that its not practiced here, since 2 other editors did the same as you did. However, a thorough explanation would be of welcome. The examples are good, but they just say "do this, not that" with my version being omitted. It would be a breath of fresh air and much more welcoming to the new contributors to have my example labeled as do or don't so that the same thing wont happen in a future. The thing is is that there are some folks that may think if its not labeled at all, its O.K. to do. Either way, I learned my lesson, I have undid my revisions and I still feel ashamed and confused about the whole thing. :(--Mishae (talk) 14:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Kunca and Podio
Hi, GiantSnowman. Can you undelete please articles about Slovak footballer Dominik Kunca and Argentine Pablo Podio. Both made their debut against ŠK Slovan Bratislava on 11 July 2014. source:. Thanks IQual (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC) Fortuna Liga is fully-professional league and match between ŠK Slovan Bratislava - ŽP Šport Podbrezová is the first match in the new 2014/2015 season of the Fortuna Liga and mentioned players currently plays in this match, yet. official page of Slovak Football Association -. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IQual (talk • contribs)

Time to go
I will return, but now will go on an extended break, am in dire need of one. Happy break, nice working with you my wiki-friend! --AL (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

John Anthony Walker
Re your revert, the existing reference to Arthur Walker's death is just five lines above your insert. Davidships (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Easily done - I managed to duplicate his death in the Recent Deaths - and made an initial mess of sorting it out. Davidships (talk) 13:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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Argentina national football team vandalism
Hello GS, could you please look at the history of the Argentina national football team and remove some of the anti-German Nazi edits and summaries, such as and .. I am sure there is more but I don't have time at the moment to review each edit. I'll take another look tomorrow. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yun Ju-tae
Hi, GS...I edited by reliable references.Don't worry. Why do I add fake statatistics on article? I'm aslo football banstar in Korean wikepedia. I can serch K League Official Statatistics, AFC Champions League Official statistics, Korean FA Cup Official statititcs. Belive me and take it easy. man.Footwiks (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Diego Aguirre
Hi there Giant! How are you?

Look, I have a draft for Diego Aguirre of Rayo Vallecano, but we have to wait until his pro debut, right? Or just by signing with a La Liga make him notable enough?

Another used created a guy (José Luis Gómez Pérez) who wasn't (and isn't) fully-pro. I improved the page, talked to Matty about its deletion but another user said that it passed WP:GNG despite failing WP:FOOTY. It should be kept or removed, then?

Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 22:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks! MYS  77  ✉ 22:06, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Pat Lee (comics)
I've just noticed these recent edits to an article you've contributed to: 9 July Changes. While certainly funny and having merit, these aren't entirely appropriate. Please take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulftw (talk • contribs) 01:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Honours
Hi, what is your take on the referencing of honours? I include references only in the prose and not in the honours section, like at Jamal Fyfield for example. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigh...
Who am i kidding i can't leave, that shows how poor my life is (not saying WP is a bad thing, it is not, but there is life outside WP for sure)! But from now on (and i want to be blocked immediately if i fail in this): 1 - no more stupid summaries (no promises with vandals i'm sorry); 2 - no more wrong use or rollback; 3 - i will only edit in (some) Spanish/Portuguese football(ers), why the "some"? I have never edited, for example, in Cristiano Ronaldo or Andrés Iniesta.

Happy weekend, sorry for any inconvenience and never mind this poor old fool from Portugal. Cheers --AL (talk) 17:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Iker
Hey, i added a source with reverting your edit. His profile at RM has all his won titles and stuff. Kante4 (talk) 15:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * But arent't the years and other things sourced in the article itself? Kante4 (talk) 15:49, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Kalen Damessi
I don't have sources but I was at a game today and kalen damessi was playing for thistle, he was trialist number 21 Sorry I don't know how to chat to you on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptfcfan (talk • contribs)

Infobox parameters
Hello. Confused I was a little by this edit. If you check out the documentation, you'll see that image_size is supposed to be given just as a number, not with px appended, and the national team stats as-of date parameter has been called nationalteam-update for ages. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Foreign players
Hi. In our Asian leagues, there are reservations for foreign players, like only 4 foreigners are allowed in a squad (which is the most common quota). For this we make a foreign players table like in 2013-14 A-League, 2013-14 I-League, 2014-15 I-League. My addition to this table in the 2014–15 Iran Pro League and the previous season were reverted claiming that these tables are not required. What will you say on this matter? Are these tables really not required? RRD13 (talk) 07:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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Serious stuff needing input
Hi there GS, AL "here",

please have a look at the discussion called S.BUSQUETS AND M.SALGADO and drop your opinion, am feeling sick to my stomach for the things i am being called to trying to help. Some people you just can't reach.

Kind regards --AL (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You have replied with a complete technical answer (reliable sources), but too late, i was further insulted, reportedly even for speaking poorer English than he. Too late your reply why? Because i'm leaving forever, this interaction left me on the verge of tears (and literally!).

Please salt my userpage (i would prefer to have all my stuff - user/talk page, contributions - summarily removed, but if you can only "do" the userpage then that'll have to do) when you have a moment. Goodbye my friend, keep it up --AL (talk) 19:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


 * More attempts at explaining myself at WP:FOOTY were met with more taunting and akin, such a fucking idiot (myself, not Panhead), why did i not leave after the World Cup? Byyyyyyyyyyyyye, nice to "meet you". --AL (talk) 19:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes please, "ice" me. Kind regards, always respected you and admired you. --AL (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Okeydokey, will do so. Thanks for supporting me on that discussion (of course, the other user - i want to write an insult, but will not leave WP on that note - had to find a way to twist that too, saying that i contacted users that i knew would back me up in my crusade and attack him, and that now two of those users are also reverting him). --AL (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:VANISH
Please GS, what am i doing wrong? I am trying to follow the instructions (see my talk page to see what i've done there). --AL (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Re:WP:FOOTY
All right. As I told Drmies, this will never repeat. I'll contact you guys if something is wrong. But the referenced incidents in Busquets and Salgado will be restored? Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 11:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 12:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 Chelsea F.C. season
Hello GS, could you please take a look at the 2014–15 Chelsea F.C. season article. There is an IP that keep reverting my "squad list" changes that we agreed was unnecessary on WT:FOOTY.. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Redirect to José Luis Gómez Pérez
Hi Snowman, how are you?

The page mentioned above has a redirect named Joselu Almeria. Can you delete it? Because Joselu is the guy's nickname, but he never signed with UD Almería (signed with Racing de Ferrol instead). So, there's no point of mantaining this redirect, right?

Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 01:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, man! Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 11:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

De Vita
Hi mate, regarding De Vita on the current squad page, I don't think he should be listed as part of the current squad seeing as his contract has now expired and is technically on trial with the club.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I see what you are saying, I haven't seen anywhere that says he has 'signed' on non contract terms though.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 08:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed4u
Hi I suspect the user Fixed4u still active. The issues, he is using these two pages.


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RoomZone
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BartSmith85

Att. Gringoladomenega (talk) 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Piotr Żyżelewicz listed at Redirects for discussion
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Fawzi Saadi
Hi, can you look at this reversion. There is nothing in the main article confirming all those infobox entries, and in actual fact the only working cite in the article may not be a reliable source. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 14:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It was not vandalism by myself, this link shows all the appearances which I added and is a reliable reference.Cam Melling (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay maybe youth career is not confirmed on that reference by the link does show all the appearances he has made in the Wessex League if you click view all.Cam Melling (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

De Vita/Shariff
De Vita is not contracted to the club, he is neither on non contract terms otherwise that will have been stated just like the other players who are here on non contract terms. De Vita is injured and has returned to Italy for treatment. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/11384833._We_ve_got_to_be_creative___says_Phil_Parkinson_as_Bantams_boss_addresses__need_to_bolster_his_threadbare_squad/ The bottom two paragraph's confirm he has gone back to Italy.

As for Shariff, what do you mean by 'confirmed by RS'?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, I was under the impression that as Shariff's birth country was Burundi and he hadn't represented another country at international level, he would be considered to be Burundian.


 * With De Vita he is not contracted to the club. So I don't see why he should be listed on the current squad list seeing as he is basically a trialist. He is on the club website player profile page but so is Matt Taylor who is no longer at the club, not all of the new signings are listed and the squad numbers are not up to date. Therefor I don't think that should be used to keep the current squad 'up to date'. BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It's not hard for me to understand, I understand the point you are trying to make. He hasn't been released, but his contract has expired, the club still seem to want to give him a chance to earn a contract. He hasn't signed a deal with the club, contract or non contract and wasn't given a squad number. Does this not make him a trialist? What would you say he is? A member of the current squad, a trialist, or something else? I am not trying to argue with you here, I just want the page to be as accurate as possible. I don't want you to think I am arguing with you for the sake of it. BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 19:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * So what would you describe his current situation as then if he isn't a contracted player, he isn't on non contract terms and isn't a trialist? BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 20:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism SPA
Hey, GS. I've got a newly registered, vandalism-only SPA: User:Traegansieber. He's moving through football rivalry articles intentionally changing the series win-loss records to include inaccurate information. He's already been warned by another editor. Would you see if giving him a time-out is appropriate? Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I need your help.
Hello there. My name is Panos and I'm from Greece. Since you are an old & experienced member of wikipedia I'd like to ask you how's possible to protect a Wikipedia Page. In other words, how can I prevent stupid editors who tries to troll and harm any page. I'm currently working on Veria and anything that is related to the team as it's my local football club but some people comes and ruin my work all the time by doing stupid, useless or troll edits. Please help me.

I look forward to an answer!

All the bests, Panos — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanosBonJovi (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your fast reply. Sure I don't own the article but I'm the only one who can keep it up to date & also I added all this matterial when it was too empty. Thanks once I again. User:PanosBonJovi (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2014 +3 UTC

Bradford City Page
Hi mate, De Vita wasn't removed from the current squad page and Kershaw was listed twice so I removed one. As for Pollard having a squad number now, I thought you said last season when McBurnie got his squad number that the youth team members with squad numbers go above the squad members without one? BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Traegansieber
… has resumed his (incorrect) edits to college football W/L records. Reported at AIV as well. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Blocked, don't bother looking further into it, thanks again! JohnInDC (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

David McGill
Hey, full article from Wpg Free Press - Thanks

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - July 21, 1989, Winnipeg, Manitoba Friday

pg 46 [image] Fury defender Ian McLean heads ball away from Vistas' Steve Cecchi.

Forlorn Fury miss victory by a whisker Winning goal disallowed By Ashley Prest It was painfully obvious last night that it will take more than rally beards to spark the Winnipeg Fury out of its slump. Although half the players on the Winnipeg side have sprouted chin growths for luck, their fortunes didn't change as they tied Victoria Vistas 2-2 at Winnipeg Stadium before a faithful crowd of 3,108. The tie kept winless streaks on both sides intact as the Fury now sit at 12 consecutive Canadian Soccer League games without a victory and Victoria at eight.

The Winnipeg side had the win so close it could taste it in injury time of the second half when Geoff Aunger plugged in a ball from the air past Victoria keeper Grant Darley. But a hand ball was called on Aunger and the goal was disallowed.

"Yeah, I did hand it. It's just one of those things, sometimes it comes off, I thought it came off but it didn't," said Aunger, who played a midfielder/striker role roaming the front line. "I tried to get away with it and didn't get away with it, that's the story of our life right now. We were worth two points tonight and we didn't get them. I think that's why we're feeling it a bit in this dressing room because it's been a long time without a win and it was right there and we let it go."

In the dressing room after the game, Winnipegs player-coach Shaun Lowther could only shake his head. "The first half was disgusting and if I had been watching that game, I would have fallen asleep, I think. It was that bad.  Against a team like Victoria, we should be beating them with the players we have," Lowther said. "We just went out and we were flat from the start.'

Not good Enough "Finishing was no good, passing was no good, tackling was no good, the heading was no good. I mean every aspect of the game was pathetic tonight and every guy, including myself, has to look at himself and say we're not doing enough for the Winnipeg Fury and it's just not good enough."

For Victoria coach Brian Hughes, the result was encouraging. "It (the tie) will certainly help our morale," he said. "Today was our day as far as finishing things. I think we got three or four in the whole 90 minutes which is not very many obviously and to just score two goals out of four is exceptional really."

The Fury had all the chances in the first half spread around from strikers Aunger, Bobby Monaghan and Doug Hardie to midfielders Paul Clarke, Jeff Cambridge and Dave Foley to defender Ian McLean. But it was Victoria that opened up the scoring in the 41st minute as veteran midfielder George Pakos picked up a cross from Dave McGill. Fury keeper Bryan Rosenfeld, who must have a spine made of rubber the way he jumped and stretched for the ball, nearly got a hand on it but Pakos lobbed it over his head for the 1-0 Vistas lead that stood to the half.

In the second [half], Rosenfeld was called on to stop Vistas striker Glenn Johnston, McGill and Steve Cecchi before Winnipeg tied the score in the 55th minute. Aunger booted a cross just inside the 18 yard box to Hardie who stuffed it into the upper right corner past Darley. In the 69th, midfielder Steve Burns launched a corner kick that Aunger flicked on with a quick header for a 2-1 Winnipeg lead.

"Between half time we had a little bit of a discussion and said, 'come on boys let's pick it up and at least try out there.' Second half we did come back a little bit but not to any great extent.  When we went 2-1 up, that's when we should win quite easily against a team like that and we just didn't do it," Lowther said.

But hopes for a win evaporated for the Winnipeg side and the Vistas' pride was saved in the 74th minute when striker Ernest Inneh, who came on in the 60th minute for Johnston, booted a bullet past Rosenfeld from about 25 yards out.

FREE KICKS On Sunday in Winnipeg the Fury hosts CSL champion Vancouver 86ers who haven't lost in 41 consecutive matches. Geoff Aunger is Winnipeg's top scorer with six goals while Doug Hardie is second with three.

Domenico Berardi
Why did you revert my edit on Domenico Berardi's page? He has gone back on loan to Sassuolo, as shown on his Soccerway profile, which is already referenced in the article. Cam Melling (talk) 14:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Fawzi edits
GS - just to clarify, my post at Cazza's talk page was in response to his original reversion of my infobox edit (and his post at my talk page), not your subsequent reversion. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Devante Cole
Hi. Sorry, but I don't agree with all of your changes to this article. Let's try to get something together that we're both happy with. Specifically:


 * The international stats that you swapped in from Cole's FA profile are actually incorrect. The profile pages on the FA site are no longer updated and he's played for the under-19s once since they stopped updating them - I can happily source and cite both games for the stats, but we should have the right stats up there.
 * There was previously information about Cole's grandparents, whereas now it just says "Cole is of Jamaican descent". That's less information than was there previously (and it was relevant biographical information - indeed, it actually makes him eligible to play for Jamaica, whereas being "of Jamaican descent" might not). It also now refers to him as just "Cole" immediately after mentioning both Devante and Andy, making it ambiguous. There was a reason why I wrote his first name there!
 * I don't feel that removing all structure from the "Club career" section improves the article. Dividing this section by club is very standard on footballers' articles (see, for instance, David Beckham) and, for obvious reasons, is easier for the reader to navigate.
 * Unless I've missed something, this section has had no new information added but the wording is now quite fragmented with a lot of short sentences.
 * The rumour about Motherwell is in a paragraph with info about his Barnsley loan spell, although it has nothing to do with Barnsley (I would put this in the "Manchester City" section, since it relates to Manchester City rather than Barnsley)
 * The wording in this paragraph requires you to follow "the same day" by clarifying which date that is - previously it specified the date the first time that date arose. It now seems a bit clunky to read.
 * You removed the "external links" section. At the very least, a link to a player's profile on his club's site is standard on virtually every major footballer's page, and a link to his Soccerbase stats is not much less common. Not sure why this was removed.

I'm going to try to address the above now but leave the rest as it is. If you feel like making any alterations afterwards, please let me know why on my talk page and hopefully we can figure out a compromise. We'll get there! Clicriffhard (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello again. In respect of the archived links, I've been adding them since I read WP:LR recently. These paragraphs summarise the rationale:


 * "The effort required to prevent link rot is significantly less than the effort required to repair or mitigate a rotten link. Therefore, prevention of link rot strengthens the encyclopedia. This guide provides strategies for preventing link rot before it happens. These include the use of web archiving services and the judicious use of citation templates.


 * "Editors are encouraged to add an archive link as a part of each citation, or at least submit the referenced URL for archiving, at the same time that a citation is created or updated."


 * Makes good enough sense to me - particularly when sites like theFA.com frequently delete old match reports etc. - but if you don't like it, go ahead and remove the archive urls. The archived versions of the pages will still be stored in the Wayback Machine in case the link changes or dies. Incidentally, I don't put up archived versions for those pages that necessarily evolve frequently like soccerbase stats pages, for reasons that are hopefully obvious.


 * As for the "seemingly unnecessary parameters", I'm not sure which ones seem unnecessary to you but go ahead and remove them. I use the "cite web" template in the visual editor and only add the name of the site (for visual clarity in the reflist), the publisher, and the access date to the bare essentials. Perhaps the publisher is unnecessary? In any case, do what you want there, I'm happy either way. Clicriffhard (talk) 11:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't think that essay's "prevention is better than cure" rationale makes more sense? The clogging up is only visible to readers if they're poring over the reflist, and hopefully Cole's page won't remain this short, after all! Anyway, I'll leave it your judgement - presumably you'll be happy to fix the page when links do start to die off. Clicriffhard (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Terry Long (footballer)
Hello GiantSnowman,

Firstly, thanks for generally tidying up etc. on Long's page. (I have already sent an "auto" thank.) However was it necessary for you to revert my edit, & for me to receive a notification that you had done so, when in effect you have merely restated the information I submitted but in a slightly different manner? Perhaps it was just for the sake of convenience? It's very basic info., which I was surprised to see was not already included. I have also used the Purkiss/Sands book as reference on other CPFC player's pages without the citation being re-written. (Although I have no doubt that your variation is correct.) Nigel Sands is also the official CPFC club historian & is always referred to as "Rev" & his books on the subject bear his title as author. I appreciate you started the article & therefore have an interest in its development but I do have other small edits I would like to make to expand the article & add a bit of colour to Terry's playing career but feel I am "treading on another's toes" if I do so.Eagleash (talk) 12:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. I'll get on it :).Eagleash (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Find and replace
I've just downloaded the newest AWB version, and now the 'Find and replace' doesn't seem to be working. I use the exact same saved settings as previously and never had a problem before... GiantSnowman 18:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide the version number and an example? (See the How to Report Bugs Effectively link at the top of the page.)  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, never posted here before, I am away most of today, will try and post tomorrow! GiantSnowman 09:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * , the above any better? More details - I used 'Find and Replace' > 'Normal settings' to find and replace links to Keko with Keko but it skipped all pages and made no replacements, I had to make a number of manual replacements... GiantSnowman 12:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , any help at all please? GiantSnowman 18:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Giant can you post your settings somewhere? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How does one do that? GiantSnowman 08:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser for the location of your settings file, depending on your operating system. Then open the file using a simple text editor such as Notepad, and copy+paste the whole thing into a Wikipedia sandbox - you can use User:John of Reading/Sandbox if you wish. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * - I've dumped my settings into my sandbox, hopefully it makes sense to you? GiantSnowman 21:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

go to the "Auto changes skip options" (Options tab) and disactivate "skip if no human category changes". Also pay attention to the Logs tab where it explains why the page was skipped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Moved discussion here since it was not a real AWB bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * - Thanks, I'll have a play tonight and let you know if it works! GiantSnowman 06:46, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * - yes, that appears to be working now, thanks very much! GiantSnowman 18:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Perfect :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Emery Bayisenge
Isn't it sufficient to prove that a player played the entire season of a league with a club, and that this club won the league, to say that this player won the league as a logical conclusion? Besides, I doubt that individual medals are awarded in many (most) national leagues when their club wins it. Thanks, Kareldorado (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Unprotect
Hi GiantSnowman, on the helpdesk a request was posted to unprotect Ivan Smolović. It was deleted due to being not noticable enough (AFD). By now he has played games on the highest level, for FK Mornar. I support the request for unprotection and am passing it on to you, as protecting admin. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok clear. I did not know of the page Fully professional leagues and simply judged it on being on the national highest level. We learn something every day. Thanks for your time, I have passed your reply on to the helpdesk. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 17:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Jim Bullions
PUBLISHED 15:30 27th June 2014 by DCFC Media

Derby County is saddened to learn of the passing of Jim Bullions. Bullions, who was 90, was part of Derby’s 1946 FA Cup winning side and was a regular visitor at the iPro Stadium until he fell ill last year.

Read more at http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/derby-county-saddened-to-learn-of-jim-bullions-passing-1696945.aspx#0XWDqFr5ToRR4O6d.99

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecosseboy (talk • contribs)

Single season articles for association football players
Hey, GS. A recent issue has arisen at AfD, which as far as I know is a novel one. WP:NSEASONS is written to address when single seasons of major sports teams may be notable, and when stand-alone articles for such individual seasons may be appropriate. The new issue is whether stand-alone articles are appropriate for single seasons/years of individual athletes. Are you aware of any single-season articles for association football players? If so, can you identify them for me? Does WP Football have any internal standards for such articles, if any exist, or are you relying on WP:GNG? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Patrice Evra
Yes, I've seen the discussions in both places, and I propose that just because you've challenged the content doesn't mean it's actually challengeable (if that makes sense). It's mentioned in plenty of places in the prose portion of the article (and sourced) that Evra was part of the squad that won those competitions, so those shouldn't be contentious at all. The individual honours are more troublesome, so I will endeavour to search for sources for those, but the team honours are fine in my book. – PeeJay 15:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Terry Long (footballer)
Hi Giant Snowman,

Following our previous correspondence I have now made some further additions/alterations to Terry Long's page, which I expect you will review in due course. Some further references could be provided if felt necessary. Thanks for any feedback you can give me.Eagleash (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi,Thanks for your complimentary message. I have put back the info. you deleted, now with references, which I hope are adequate. Except for the part about not playing in the top flight, which I have amended slightly & is in a way "self-referencing" Eagleash (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Cambiasso
Hi GiantSnowman,

I have a tough time understanding why you delete sections for not having references when it would be very easy for you to just take two more minutes to add references than it took to delete the page and give your reason why. I am going through and undoing these changes and adding references now but I am not able to put the "Club statistics" section back onto his page. Can you please revert this edit for me and I while put in the proper references for it.

It seems kind of against the point to just delete these sections when if you enjoy editing and creating football pages, as you say, you could have just done that in the first place. Thank you for your time Rupert1904 (talk) 03:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I add references to everything I add/edit on wikipedia, thank you very much! Some great editor you are, attacking others. And I know why it was deleted, I need your help restoring the club statistics table, it would not let me restore it on his page. All I ask is that you please restore it for me and I will add the proper references. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Well for your information, I had never even been on the Cambiasso page until he signed for Leicester. I thought it was a bit strange that he didn't have sections for club stats, international goals and honours, so I went to to the edit page and found that you had deleted them all. I restored international goals and honours and added the proper references but it would not allow me to restore the club stats. So in fact, I am not the one at fault for being in this predicament. But thank you for restoring it and thank you for blaming me. Whenever you feel the need to delete a section just find me and I'll add the references for you. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure you had to remove it, it was really creating a big dilemma and predicament for you. Well, good for you, because I restored it to the page and added the proper reference. Once again, I ask that before you delete a section, please ask me and I while add in a proper reference, just for you. And that is for any page, not just Cambiasso, thank you. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Gabby103
Hi GiantSnowman,

I would like to do make a redirect link to List of Monster High characters for "Yeni Alvarez", and put "Bekka Prewitt" under redirect Ever After High. Thank you for your time! Yours, Gabby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabby103 (talk • contribs)

Cabralzinho
Hello GiantSnowman to revert my edits, there is a neighborhood called Macapa Cabralzinho, as you can see in wikipt. then my dear not revertar to Carlos Roberto Cabral. or place as another Cabralzinho. Bian tez msg 14:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Abel Hernández
Hello GS, could you please semi-protect Abel Hernández. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 Arsenal F.C. season
Hi, previously (about 10 days ago) you removed a lot of content added to 2014–15 Arsenal F.C. season. Now the editor inserted massive content again. Could you take a look or should I go to footy again? The content is changed slightly but I doubt everything is notable. <i style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:blue">QED</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 18:46, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

US/UK English
Hello Giant Snowman,

Thanks for your help/input on Terry Long (footballer)'s page.

As an experienced editor I wonder if you can tell me if there is any official Policy as to the use of UK or US English? Some Americanisms jar badly (especially if altered after text has been submitted!). I have tried to search for an answer but haven't found one. It seems sensible to me that the text submitted in the editor's own language should stand (subject to all usual criteria of course) or that the nationality of the subject if applicable should decide. Though, I suspect, consistency in an article is important.

Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help.Eagleash (talk) 15:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Information
Hi GiantSnowman, should a user who brags to a notorious metrication campaigner, on the website of a metrication pressure group, about systematically going through Wikipedia articles and converting them the metric units (despite them being about UK subjects which would ideally use British imperial units) be allowed to influence discussions about choice of sources? Please read the section titled "5 Signs of the times" in this document for further details. Baaarny (talk) 06:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Flags
Hey, can you please tell me that in the leagues article, previously it was prohibited from using flags beside the managers name in the tables. But in this season, it has again been started. Is it correct to put the flags as in 2014-15 Premier League? RRD13 (talk) 07:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Dicko
Dicko: The source I have used is used on many African football pages. How is it not reliable? Who decides this? Five Mile Walk (talk) 11:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

You've even left the page making no sense whatsoever. The source I used is widely used on the pages here. Explain yourself. Five Mile Walk (talk) 12:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Stephen Bywater's squad template
Hello GS. Take a look at the squad template on Stephen Bywater... it's not appearing as it should. You fixed this on another article for me before; do you remember what caused this? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Kevin Taylor (English footballer)
I wonder if you could, as admin., take at look at Taylor's page? In particular the note that he played for Cringleford, which is not borne out by the reference. The Wiki link takes you to the page for Cringleford village in Norfolk where there is a section relating to veterans football (spurious?), which is nonsensical & unreferenced. To be honest, I think it should just be deleted, but feel "someone" should be made aware. Cringleford does run a football club of one sort or another as can be seen here. Thanks.

Secondly, whilst I'm filling up your user page (again), I have very nearly completed an article on Roy Summersby who played in the same early '60s Palace team as Terry Long. However, I can find no detail of Roy's life after football or even whether he is still alive. Question really is, would an article be suitable for submission on what is a limited basis & is there some means of proof reading prior to submitting for publishing consideration. Many thanks. Regards. Eagleash (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help & advice as usual. Would it now be in order for me to delete the paragraph on Cringleford's page? It appears to be (quite extended) vandalism. & a quick check back through the history, shows a number of "anomalies" usually by the same IP address.
 * As far as Roy Summersby is concerned I will check the later edition (2011) of 'Palace: Complete Record', (not available to me full time) for further info. (I already have the neilbrown link included in my draft) & submit as soon as... Thanks. Regards. Eagleash (talk) 07:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. Have deleted. Eagleash (talk) 08:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Fluther
I did the PROD because it was a completely different topic from the AFD (page then ); a a new article on a different topic that coincidentally had the same name, thus G4 wouldn't apply, but it is so different (thus "new") that I felt a PROD was in the spirit of policy. But no biggie. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  20:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

About Haris Duljević
Hi GiantSnowman - (I was about to write "Hi G.Sniddy", but thought that might be somewhat inappropriate) - it looks like this fotballer may have played some senior games for FK Sarajevo. I've added a ref to the article: could you possibly have a look at the article and see if it is still a WP:G4 candidate? Thank you! Pete "Mutant Giant Spider Dog" AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Undo
Re the discussion at Template talk:Football squad player, you undid the comments on the documentation rather than the changes to the template, which I think is what you meant to do? Number  5  7  14:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Dimitri Tadić
You don't even know if he is alive. You don't actually know where in Yugoslavia he is from. And there is no need for this article, he is irrelevant. I am putting it up for deletion again. Rupert1904 (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

French B teams stats
Hello GiantSnowman, I wanted to let you know I asked a question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football regarding whether French B team stats should be included in a senior career stats infobox, following your revert edit on Maxime Blanc. Hope you'll join the talk, and sorry about not explaining my edit in the first place. Regards, Tuttiseme (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

The Exceptions
Where the references I added not enough? The trouble is a lot of the ST history is pre-internet so archive material tends to be scraps that have been saved on various personal pages. However ST News certainly has a wealth of documentation of the time. Alex (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Please do restore it. I'll keep digging for more references but they are certainly notable within the field of ST Demos and other demo groups are documented on wikipedia. Alex (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Terry Evans
Does Terry Evans (footballer born 1965) now meet guidelines? If there's some standard for written up somewhere for the standards of honours sections, let me know. Beatpoet (talk) 15:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Not sure I get it...the sources I put in show that Evans made more than 10 league appearances in each of the seasons his club won a league title, which is generally considered the amount of league appearances required to win a medal and to be considered an "honour"? Beatpoet (talk) 22:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

ISL
Hi, can you immeadiately protect the page 2014 Indian Super League season? It is subjected to heavy vandalism, unreferenced edits. Though I have put a request, but I think it should be protected as early as possible. Thanks! RRD13 (talk) 16:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you may be able to help..
Who was the long term Irish editor that was blocked, something to do with Shamrock Rovers? Would you be able to tell me did he or any of his socks create or edit any of these Lazarus articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathal_Pendred ? Cheers bud. Murry1975 (talk) 19:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help on that one. Murry1975 (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

List of largest cities in Brazil
Hi, can you have a look at the recent history of this article please, noting the various reversions made without edit summaries by Junior. I did also post to their talk page without reply. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 23:22, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for response. I plan to shortly get around to posting on article talk page, and then subject to any response, returning article to earlier version. However, I notice that Junior has since reverted someone else's edits without using edit summaries, and some of the reversions involved removing citation tags. Eldumpo (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2014 September 14
You participated in the deletion discussion so I wanted to inform you about this deletion review. --Yoda1893 (talk) 10:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Billy_tchouague
Deleted repeatedly under alternate salted casing by various socks, I was wondering if you could tell me if the guy meets WP:NFOOTY at all. Assuming he does, we could remove all the puffery nonsense and leave a stub. But if not, I'll take it to AFD. Thanks. § FreeRangeFrog croak 07:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now at AFD. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

SMH Records
Good morning GiantSnowman. I had a few questions about the SMH Records article. What would be considered "spam" and "promotional advertisement" about the entry? I think it reads neutral and unbiased to the subject w/o any puffery. Any feedback or solutions are very appreciated.Sowhatchawant (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Use of flags for athletes in international competition?
GS, I thought you might be interested in this discussion: Template talk:Infobox golfer. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Bob Corish
Hi there. Thank you for your note on the Bob Corish page, and my apologies for not adding my edit summary. I work for Dr. Corish and he requested that the information be updated. Would you be able to revert back the edits I made and then I can add my edit summary to the page? There were a few items on the page that were initially incorrect, so it was very important that I make these edits and add additional, more relevant info. Thanks for your time. Etccomms (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Dory Lobel
I don't think a PROD deletion is compatible with salting. After all, how are users supposed to be able to dispute the PROD by recreation, if recreation has been forbidden? -- Y not? 17:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Apologies (if needed)
Hi there GS, you know who (i assume) here,

since you were notified of a WP:FOOTY discussion i created and chose not to drop a line, but then posted there after that, my question is the following: was i unpolite or akin in my report? I don't think so, but i apologize if i was, only trying to help WP.

Kind regards as always --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe you'll be interested in reading this message, as you have warned the vandal that i describe therein (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MYS77#Idiot_sock_-_Part_2). Keep it up. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

You also warned sock vandal User:Antony1821 here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:178.59.73.94). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: Information
If you remember, in relation to the starting of this new discussion, I asked you whether you thought that a user who brags to a notorious metrication campaigner, on the website of a metrication pressure group, about systematically going through Wikipedia football (soccer) player articles and converting the player heights in them to use metric units, should be allowed to influence discussions about the choice of sources for soccer player stats?

You replied asking me to be clearer. Here is some data which I hope adds clarity.
 * The user I am referring to is Michael Glass.
 * Here is a list of just his edits containing "height as per" in their edit summary. It shows the shear industrial scale of his campaign to convert footballer heights from imperial to metric in March, April and June 2011. Note his preferred source is Premier League data, the same source he wanted to be used in the soccer template in that discussion he started.
 * The section titled "5 Signs of the times" in this document shows him bragging of his metrication achievement to "Pat" (Pat Naughtin the late metrication campaigner), as published on the "Metrication matters" website in early July 2011.

Note too that since we last corresponded, he has taken exception to my observations, and rather than explaining his actions, he has decided to attack me by raising a tendentious SPI against me.

I am now asking you as an administrator to take action against him to stop his abuse of Wikipedia. Baaarny (talk) 20:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Wonder if you could
have a quick glance at these. My attention was drawn by this thread. Has a distinct whiff of one of these, except that as far as I can remember, they wouldn't have introduced something as disparaging as this Indictments section to a page about a good Ghanaian boy... I'm out in a few minutes, but if you do get a chance to have a look, it'd be appreciated. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 07:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. To be fair, if I'd been convinced he was MarkMysoe, I'd have done the SPI myself. And as you said there, there's a strong resemblance to MarkMysoe's exaggerations and linking, but not the content. Mysoe concentrates on Ghana, has a good command of English, and would have gloried in KPBoateng's ethnic origins, but this guy edits all Schalke FC pages, struggles with expressing himself in English, if his postings at Talk:Kevin-Prince Boateng are anything to go by, and having first included some detailed family info, now won't accept any at all... He strikes me as a wind-up merchant with ownership issues.
 * I've just given him a final warning for repeatedly including the names and dates of birth of Mr Boateng's children half-referenced to trivia pages on gossip sites. Can see why other editors left him to it because they didn't want an edit war. Hey ho. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Gaston Sauro
I did not delete content from his page. I changed the title of the honours section from "Titles and honours" to simply "Honours" because the first is redundant and only used on FC Basel players because of one person's edits. I reverted your change and I would appreciate it if you did not revert my changes again on the "Honours" sections of other FC Basel players. I am trying to make them agreeable with every other footballers' honours section on wikipedia. Rupert1904 (talk) 07:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes because runners-up medals are not being included in other footballers' honours sections. Even if their exists a reference for them being a runner up in the competition. Rupert1904 (talk) 08:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Runners-up medals are included for international competitions but not club competitions. Rupert1904 (talk) 08:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm claiming that based on other wikipedia pages of footballers who have won multiple medals. So I ask that you please refrain from attacking me again. I am not just being silly and deleting content, I am editing the honours section based on what has been done on other footballers' and football club pages. Rupert1904 (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Please reference the club article style guide about this issue. I have had conversations with and others in the past about when runners-up medals should be included for club competitions and they are to be added when a footballer has no major honours or very few. If you visit the Gaston Sauro page, you will see that I not only updated his current club, because he is out on loan to Catania now, but also added in honours that he won with Boca and the required references. So this shows that he was won multiple titles already and the runners-up do not need to be included. Put them back in there if you really want to but please do not revert my edits. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


 * No I'm invoking WikiProject Football/Clubs and if that is your attitude about it then I am correct. All you do is try to find a place to argue with me about my edits. Why is it that would I invoke is any less credible than what you did? I made a good edit that has basis in wikipedia standards and for some immature reason, you cannot come to terms with that in a respectable and classy manner.Rupert1904 (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


 * No I am not contradicting myself. Please read further and don't just select the parts that make you happy. "For clubs with a large number of major trophies, it may be appropriate to omit second places." And the same is used with players.Rupert1904 (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Manuel Martínez Canales
I just updated his page to reflect research I did on the player. I know you hate me and like to nitpick all of my edits here, so please let me know what you don't agree with that I added on his page. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Chelsea First team section
Hello GS, could you please take a look at Chelsea First team squad. I've removed this section a few times for being OR and SYNTH, specifically, Position, Games played and Goals scored (not to mention that horrible Captain/Vice Captain icon), and it's always being re-added. Could you please remove it and I will add something to the Talk page. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Bobby Bauld
Thanks for your valuable additions to the article. Haven't been able to come up with anything on Raith stats as yet, sadly, but I am currently compiling a few useful bits from the British Newspaper Archive which I'm going to further expand it with, perhaps I might find something on his post-retirement activities there... Jellyman (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Devante Cole
I removed outdated transfer speculation from this page (junk content from a transfer that never happened) and updated sections regarding Cole's youth career at Man City and his ongoing loan spell at Barnsley, content which you then removed. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Arials101 (talk) 08:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Kelle Roos
Hi GiantSnowman.

The page for Kelle Roos was deleted because he had not made an appearance in a professional league. However, he has now appeared in the Football League Cup per sources such as this one. I'd like to recreate the article now, but it has been protected from creation. Could you lift it, please? Thanks, Tiller54 (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Zamyusoff
Hi, have a look at this users recent mass club title moves. There appears to have been no discussion, and by moving most of the pages twice it makes it difficult to move back to the original article. Can you investigate. Thanks Eldumpo (talk) 22:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was a quick response but is there any way to revert all their changes. I tried to do some manually but was struggling because of double redirects, and of course they have moved large numbers! Eldumpo (talk) 22:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Please help me understand
What is a sock, who is Sphe07? How am I connected to him? In my time on Wikipedia I've heard of him.(ElSwankoCasa (talk) 05:58, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Kiffe
No worries, everyone makes mistakes. I hope you did not take my comment as a slight. Thank you for your input regarding James Kiffe. GauchoDude (talk) 16:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Page move chaos.
Hi, I need your help as administrator.

A editor created a template for the La Liga table at La Liga 2014-15. Then me and apperently moved the page at the same time according to this edithistory. He moved it to a page with the same name, but with the correct dash La Liga 2014–15 and I moved it to a page consistent with how we usually name league tables, 2014–15 La Liga table and this caused a chaos of redirects and the page ended at the name Kante4 moved it to and I cant move it to the correct name because the page already exists.

I went to User talk:Kante4 and he answered at my talk User talk:Qed237 to go to footy or leave it, but when trying moving page again it said contact admin or go to requested move so I thought I could contact you first.

Are you able to help or should I go to WikiProject Football and/or requested move?

Other tables with similar names are for example 2014–15 Premier League table, 2014 Allsvenskan table, 2014–15 Football League One table, 2013–14 Fußball-Bundesliga table, 2014–15 Eredivisie table, and so on, so I really believe it should be 2014–15 La Liga table and I know we have agreed on naming at footy before. You can read it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 88.

This would mean:
 * 1) Move La Liga 2014–15 (and joint talkpage) to 2014–15 La Liga table (and fix redirect at old page)
 * 2) Fix all the current redirects to correct table 2014–15 La Liga table, these are curently at
 * 3) *La Liga 2014-15
 * 4) *2014-15 La Liga table

I will then fix the template and the pages it is used on.

I thank you for any kind of help and/or response. Thank you. <i style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:blue">QED</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 16:24, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi again, no it has not been resolved what I can see. The league table is not at 2014–15 La Liga table were it should be. <i style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:blue">QED</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 19:43, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Time for harsher action?
Hi there GS, hope your wikibreak is a happy one,

please see this message i sent fellow admin Matty (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattythewhite#User:Antony1821). Just the bottom line, where i discuss this Yucheng person, which has been warned by both you and Matty.

Like i say in the title, time? Safe return, all the best (woe is me, when will i retire for good?) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


 * What? He changes pages incorrectly, is warned not to do so, continues and nothing is wrong? Okeydokey... could you at least move the page to its CORRECT name, Juanmi (footballer, born 1993)? Thanks, rest those bones --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:57, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you then, was only trying to help. The page has been duly moved by Matty. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

List of largest cities in Brazil
Hi, would you be able to have another look at this page. Following our previous discussion I left a message at the talk page setting out a way forward, and then yesterday I made a number of edits, reflecting sources available. These have all been straight-reverted by Junior without any edit summary, although he has then re-inserted a small number of my changes, but not the key ones involving the sources. When you're back perhaps you could have another look. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 06:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Oryn the Rebel
Hello Giant Snowman I am writing to ask you to restore the page Oryn the Rebel. I believe you deleted this article due to lack of information which I can provide. What is the next step sir? — Preceding unsigned comment added by O-ry-n the rebel (talk • contribs) 17:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Fresco (Window System)
The Fresco window system is important historically, even if it's an "expired product". It was the first attempt at a general OpenGL-based window system, and in many ways an inspiration for Wayland. Please revert the deletion. It's irnic that the banner at the top of the page says Wikipedia "needs [our] help documenting history" if it's not going to provide access to Wikipedia's own history. -- Resuna (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The naughtiest left-back around town
Obviously another act of disruptive editing by the same editor who had been warned about his behaviour numerous times in the past, including a final warning by an admin. Kindly take appropriate action where necessary. Thank you. LRD 05:10, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What he did was create the page, a redirect to Leighton Baines. He does those disruptive edits from time to time (see above links) so you'd have to be careful to spot them among the other edits. I'll let you know if and when he does that again. LRD 07:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, you have a reply asking you to 'pipe down'. :) LRD 13:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Mesling
Thing is, I remembered Mysoe when his editing seemed to be all designed for the greater glorification of his nation and its people via Wikipedia. Didn't realise he'd evolved into a general and determined troll. I'll know another time. Thanks for taking it to SPI. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Harassment
False. It is not harassment, please read carefully: "Many users track other users' edits, although usually for collegial or administrative purposes. This should always be done carefully, and with good cause, to avoid raising the suspicion that an editor's contributions are being followed to cause them distress, or out of revenge for a perceived slight. Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles. In fact, such practices are recommended both for Recent changes patrol and WikiProject Spam." I reverted edits where you deleted information that was referenced and or could easily be referenced. Your deletions of these sections ere unwarranted and not helping wikipedia and my edits were correctly used for related problems on multiple articles. Furthermore you are violating wikipedia policy by deleting referenced material that is noteworthy and not controversial. Lastly, for many of the edits, you did not give a valid reason for deleting them, because you fail to comment in the edit summary and thus I was perfectly within my rights to revert your edits. As I have said before, come to me before you delete sections unnecessarily. Rupert1904 (talk) 14:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Wrong again. I do not care about Gaston Sauro, that is in the past and I was the one who made the final edit on the honours section, if you remember. Furthermore, you often tag a page or section when it is not referenced, which is the correct thing to do, but you failed to do that on many of these instances, and thus your deletions were unnecessary. You deleted reference material on countless occasions and if you check the edit summary for these pages, I commented on many of the times where you deleted referenced material. And please expand further on how, what you are deleting is fully in line with wikipedia standards. Rupert1904 (talk) 14:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not deliberately targeting you. I noticed that many times on pages that I am editing or interested in, you have deleted referenced material, whether it was inline or referenced below the section, or deleted material that could be easily referenced. When it is very easy to find references to verify material, I try to find those references so that good and verifiable content does not have to be deleted. I do not have a problem with you, I don't care about what happened in the past, I just want these footballers' pages to have the most verifiable and uncontentious information and content that they can have. Thus the material you deleted for the most part, career statistics and honours, is not contentious and can be referenced by RSSSF, Soccerway, Soccerbase and National Football Teams. And often times, in the case of the Andorran players that I edited, there were references for their international statistics but not inline. So I reverted your edit and put inline citations so that there was no doubt that this information was verifiable. Rupert1904 (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * This exchange is not about the content that was deleted or added though so it was not contentious. This exchange is about you being mad for me reverting your edits and me including references on pages. There is no argument here and this will not turn into an argument. Remember when you said you wanted to work together for a common cause in the future after the Gaston Sauro incident? Well let's work together. I am merely adding in content that is not contentious and is easily verifiable. And I will give you one example, Óscar Sonejee had references for his international caps and goals but you deleted the section, saying that it was unreferenced. The links are right there, so I reverted your edit. I am sorry if you feel targeted but that is not the case, as you can see I am interested in editing football pages and stumble upon a wide variety of football-related articles that I like to help improve, as I'm sure you do as well. So let's both be good editors and good people and not resort to an argument again. I will continue to edit and revert pages that are improperly deleted or can be easily referenced and are not contentious and if that happens to be on pages that you edited than you need to be okay with it. Rupert1904 (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Well I've just read through BLP, BLP reliable sources and the Noticeboard and the information in question is not contentious. Also these sources that I used as references for career statistics and honours are not tabloids or any other unreliable source but trustworthy and verifiable and thus are in line with the three core content policies of the biographies of living persons. I am not saying that the whole articles are perfect but the career statistics sections are accurate and this is uncontroversial. Thank you for providing me with a link to your BLP honours page, that's all I have wanted from the get go, and I will continue to edit those sections and provide references when I have time. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes I know and that was never the argument. You were arguing that me adding the material back and putting references on it was contentious. Which it is not. That is final, once again, thank you for providing me with the BLP list but I will not further discuss this as conversations just keeps going around in circles with you. Rupert1904 (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Doubt
GS, do you think it is possible to please lift the protection at Marcos Alonso Mendoza and Radja Nainggolan? The non-vandalic users (in whose field i proudly stand) want to contribute there too.

If you think it's not wise to unprotect any, surely you'll have your reasons, and i will respect them. Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I see, thanks. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Jacob Walcott
I didnt make a mistake i was correcting a page? I've seen This player play for Banbury Utd and the external links prove it? I am kindly requesting you revert your changes and leave my edit as it was. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BanburyUtdFan (talk • contribs)

Lori Sandri's death
His death is not unsourced, I added the link to this article: http://globoesporte.globo.com/pr/noticia/2014/10/ex-treinador-lori-sandri-morre-aos-65-anos-em-curitiba.html

PMLF (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Mas y mas
Said editor has persisted with his uncivil behaviour and personal attacks again. He was warned for a previous incident and has engaged in less than pleasant behaviour towards other editors. Kindly advise on how this should be approached. Thank you. LRD 09:23, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Josh Windass
I don't see much wrong with the default size, the image isn't blurry or pixelated. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't aware of those issues. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Brian Kaltack
What do you talking about, look on the internet, it's the truth, he played for Solomon Warriors and Erakor Golden Star. Go write crap on other people's page not on mine. Please: Check your info and don't threaten me with blocking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanten19 (talk • contribs)

Persib Bandung
Hello, Indeed Persib Bandung article was not given the source, but it's true. you can look in websites Persib Bandung. or search the source. And remove me from raised in AIV, Thankyou.

(Tommy 14:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC))

October 2014
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Stefan Buck. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

We've been through this before - WP:BLP and WP:V apply no matter how much you don't like it. See also WP:NOTVAND. GiantSnowman 16:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hang on. I don't believe we've ever been through this. I recall no such discussions with you about this. I've restored the text - which seems pretty uncontroversial and easily verifiable to me. And I'm adding references right now. Nothing in the article seems to be false. Nfitz (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

And please stop throwing around such accusations - you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Nfitz (talk) 16:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

So we haven't been through this before, even though your edit summary links to a past discussion? Your logic is impeccable Oh, and what accusations am I "throwing around"? You're the one (falsely) accusing me of vandalism. And don't worry, I'm not going to be blocked anytime soon. GiantSnowman 16:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I wasn't involved in that discussion. I don't see the need for sarcasm. Vandalism was the title of that thread, and it looked like the conclusion of the discussion was that you had indeed vandalized the article, instead of fixing the references! Shame on you - vandalism disgraces the project! Nfitz (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Now can you kind stop reverting the article, while I am in the middle of editing it! Nfitz (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You not being involved in that discussion is irrelevant, when you are aware of it - and the outcome of that and other discussions was that my edits are fully in line with policy. Look at this - you will see comments from admins/BLP experts that "Anyone should have the freedom to remove unsourced information from any article, much more so a BLP, whether it is positive or negative" and "Unreferenced material can and should be deleted" and "Unreferenced material does not conform to one of the most basic policies, WP:V. Removal of such material is justified, particularly on BLPs"...need I go on? My edits are fully in line with policy and are not vandalism - you adding unreferenced material to BLPs, on the other hand, is extremely damaging to Wikipedia. GiantSnowman 16:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You edits might well be in full line with policy. But that doesn't mean that they are damaging. You chased away yet another perfect good editor from the project. How many is that now? Perhaps we'd have been better off with all the ones you chase away, rater than someone who'd much prefer to delete text, rather than simply trying to improve and add references. Enough of this. Please stay off my Talk page. Nfitz (talk) 16:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Well at least you now admit my edits are in-line with policy! Are you therefore going to retract your silly accusations of vandalism? Oh and I've not chased anyone away, stop being so bloody melodramatic. GiantSnowman 17:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I admitted they might be in-line with policy. I'm not going to even bother to check, as that's not really the point, is it. Once again, please stay off my talk page. Nothing further need be said. I really don't care to hear your justifications and accusations. The discussion I referenced on vandalism seemed to be quite clear that you had gone too far with your removal of text. Nfitz (talk) 17:24, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Invitation
Dear GS,

Your expertise and participation is requested at this discussion. Thank you. LRD 17:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Rob Friend
Hello, I'm GauchoDude. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Rob Friend because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. The section you blanked is clearly referenced if you visit the sources, most notably the Year-by-Year section of his Canada profile. Cheers, GauchoDude (talk) 20:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Career stats
Is there a way to convert the wrong tables into the approved form easily/automatically? So that I don't have to manually enter the stats and so some of the numbers then don't get lost? Rupert1904 (talk) 15:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Another question on tables and their format. I created an article for the Match Against Poverty today and was wondering if it would be more appropriate for the matches to be in a table rather than a simple list as I have done. I'm not sure if there's a precedent for this, the Portuguese wiki has it in a table while the German wiki a list, but I didn't want the match list to be too difficult to read, so I thought a table might be a better option, and if so, I didn't know what kind of table to use. Wanted to get as many opinions possible on this. Thanks in advance for any help. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

User:Nikebrand
There is some similarities between User:Nikebrand and Kay Körner, which you encountered as User:Conformuser at the Dynamo Dresden article exactly a year ago and who was, once again, blocked back then. Nothing definitive, just the same kind of articles (Football in Saxony), the same broken English, the same kind of accusations when his edits get reverted, but User:Wiggy! has had the same idea. What do you think? Calistemon (talk) 21:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I will keep an eye on him. If it is really him his behaviour will deteriorate quickly and I will take the necessary steps then. Calistemon (talk) 11:18, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Put in a sock puppet report now. His latest edit shows he is getting worse, time to act. Calistemon (talk) 11:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Deja Vu
What do you make of this and this? This could be the precedent for all sorts of nicknames or monikers, including those portraying BLPs in a negative light or abuse of the redirect system, floating around in Wikipedia (Furious Fergie, Mr Clean, Goldenballs, God, Sicknote, "The Special One"/"The Only One"). All nicknames without widespread notability should not go beyond a mere mention in the main article imo. LRD 00:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia layout
Was there a change in the wikipedia layout overnight or is my computer/browser just acting funky? For me, all the infoboxes are on the left side of the page now and the lead section is underneath it now rather than beside it. Do you think I accidentally changed my preferences or is this a new look that was instituted today? Thanks for any tips you can give me. Rupert1904 (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep, it seems to be the browser. I always use Chrome but for some reason it just started acting funny today on wikipedia. Using Safari now and everything seems to be okay. Hopefully it'll just fix itself sometime soon! Rupert1904 (talk) 23:13, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It's also only on English wiki that it's all messed up. So strange! Rupert1904 (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Stand-alone articles for regular season matches
Hey, GS. Does WP:FOOTY have a stated position, policy or consensus regarding the creation of stand-alone articles for individual football matches? If so, what is it? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:50, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Syamsir Alam
Hey GiantSnowman, long time no talk mate, hope you are doing well. I was recently looking at the List of foreign MLS players list and saw that Syamsir Alam does not have a page despite him playing in the Indonesian Super League, a league listed at WP:FPL. Anyway, I tried to create the page but I am guessing the page is "SALTED" and thus I can not create. Unfortunately I do not have the capability to un-SALT the article name so I was hoping you could. Thank you very much, cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 22:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate! --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Hello GS, I am reporting this to you here because WP:SPI is so backlogged. I've noticed (created 26 Aug) and  (created 20 Sept.) are socks of  (created 11 July) because all edit Middlesbrough F.C. player articles, such as Albert Adomah and Kike on a mobile device (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit). Also, C.b.299 was blocked on 24 August for 3 days and on 26 August C-B 1233 was created to evade the block. They have been warned about not updating pcupdate= and not to mention all have the letters 'CB' in the User name. Could you please deal with them. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 10:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

BlastMan_456
i am new to wikipedia and i need help do you you have like any documents the would tell me how wikipedia works so i can better understand how to use and navigate wikipedia.

BlastMan 456 (talk) 03:39, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

User:Helmutzipfel doesn't give in
Please can you have a look again to this vita, you already helped here in 2013. He doesn't resign. Thanks, Gerhardvalentin (talk) 07:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

User:Jberridge96
Hi, the information I posted on page Riyad Mahrez was sourced and cited from Leicester City F.C.'s official website, so I don't think warranted removal, however if you feel this doesnt count as a reliable source, this section from his International career should also be removed as it comes from the same source;

"On 31 May 2014, Mahrez made his international debut for the Desert Foxes as a starter in a pre-World Cup friendly match against Armenia, and he was subsequently called up to the full-squad for the tournament on 2 June. On 15 October 2014, Mahrez scored his first international goal, as well as setting up Islam Slimani in Algeria's 3-0, Africa Cup of Nations qualifier against Malawi. "

The page of Leicester City's site that I cited the information of Mahrez scoring his first Premier League goal is this http://www.lcfc.com/fixtures-results/match-report/?matchid=3734081&tcmuri=1651438, the 7th line of the article clearly states "Riyad Mahrez restores the Leicester lead" I was just wondering how this could be unreliable when the source is classed as reliable elsewhere on the article and on a multitude of other article's.

As for deleting the "International goals" section for being un-sourced, it is clearly stated (and sourced) in the "International career" section that Mahrez scored his first international goal, against Malawi, on October 15th, in the African cup of nations qualification, i find your decision baffling, but perhaps you would also like to remove this, David_Nugent as well for being un-sourced.

Why wasn't the information about Mahrez's first appearance being on the date stated removed when it was added then, back at the start of September. The only addition to that section I made today was with regards to him scoring against Burnley which is correct and sourced, why not delete the unsourced information but keep the sourced information? As an another point however, if you go to the Refernces section of Mahrez' page, the final one (number 15) links to Soccerbase (reliable source) that does indeed state the Mahrez' first appearence did indeed come on the day previously stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jberridge96 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I miss wrote "why not delete the unsourced information but keep the sourced information?" as "why delete the unsourced information but keep the sourced information."

Frank Lampard
Hello GS, A user keeps adding Frank Lampard's unsourced career honours, which I have reverted twice. Could you please take a look... Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

VictorSport sock of Newestcastleman
Hello GS, I've noticed is exhibiting the same editing behaviour of  from a year ago - SPI Archive

Taken from the original SPI - ''See a previous ANI, which I believe is connected. Liverpoolcityman showing the same behaviour as Manchesterunitedchampions1, making many nonsensical edits as is Newestcastleman nonsensical edits.

Looks like a duck, could you please block? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 15:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Fabien Lemonie
hi giant snowman it's philor28 I would like to update Wikipedia page for Fabien Lemonie. Is it possible to request permission for you to allow my changes as permanent please? Thanks
 * Hi Philor28. Once your account is active for four days and you have made at least 10 edits, you will generally be given the "autoconfirmed" status. At present it is too soon for you to be given additional editing privileges. Please do continue to make edits - admins will assess whether you should be granted further permissions, based on the quality of your edits. Does this answer your question? Please let me know if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia! Peter in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * has this resolved your query? GiantSnowman 10:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia genealogy project
Just wondering if you have any thoughts re: the idea of WMF hosting a genealogy project. If so, feel free to contribute to this discussion. And apologies if I have made this request before. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Club Notability
I recently saw that Europa Point FC was deemed non-notable. The specific club doesn't matter to me, but it did cause me to be curious about notability which I though I understood (at least from the perspective of football clubs). I had been using this as my guideline for club notability, which all Gibraltar Second Division clubs meet by playing in the Rock Cup. If Europa Point is non-notable, wouldn't most, if not all, clubs in that division be the same? It really doesn't matter to me what the answer is since I like getting rid of redlinks anyway, but I did want to be sure I understood what to look for in the future.

Since I'm here already, I had another question and I didn't get an answer from the talk page of the article. Shouldn't the Bundesliga table template be named "2014–15 Bundesliga table" or something similar like is the case for most leagues? Thanks. Equineducklings (talk) 22:06, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I see now where I misunderstood the Europa Point question. They are a new team and will not participate in a national cup until January 2015. I missed that part, but it makes sense now.


 * I guess that's okay for the Bundesliga table. I was under the impression that the years were included in the names of table templates because of the team season articles. For example, if the current table continues to be used in 2015-16, the 2014-15 team season articles will have the 2015-16 table in them. I am always fine with whatever consensus is determined among editors, but that was my understanding of why the years were included in the template names. Thanks for the response on my previous post. Equineducklings (talk) 16:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment by Vince193
Dude you deleted my Dylan Carreiro page what the hell man. I spent a good amount of time on it. What is your problem? That was my first article so I'm still learning. I'm sorry for adding a few things from your page but most of it was me doing my own research and citing. You could have easily asked me to give credit to you and I'd have done it. Like I said this is my first time doing something like this. Not cool man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince193 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 14 December 2014 (UTC) \

, my page had a lot more information and it was all done by me. All you did was come in and delete it because mine was more informative. It is a free encyclopedia, no need to take everything so seriously.

Don't make articles to never release them. Pretty simple stuff. Whatever. You don't seem like a reasonable person.

I apologized. I took the stats page from you and his middle name. Everything else was my own work. It isn't fun citing a lot things then coming back to a deleted page because some guy got into a hissy fit. Your article isn't even correct in some instances.

Whatever. I'm making it again, and I'll be sure to not to bother you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince193 (talk • contribs) 14:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice attitude! <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  15:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - who? GiantSnowman 15:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Vince193 of course. <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  15:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Manager notability
Hi GS, how are you?

One guy once told me that one manager is notable when he/she meets WP:FPL. But, I was thinking: an interim manager who manages a La Liga or a Segunda División team for one match (both fully-pro leagues), like the case of Miguel Rivera against Real Madrid, is notable enough?

Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 10:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * His career was spent mainly in Segunda División B, however. I made a draft for him, so you can take a look and see if he's notable enough. :)


 * Thanks, MYS  77  ✉ 11:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's better move it to "Miguel Rivera Mora", and create a disambig to both Charlie Chop-off and him. Both are in the same level of notability, I think. Thank you, MYS  77  ✉ 12:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Vittoriosa Stars F.C.
Hey GS. Would you mind taking a look at this article if you get a chance? It needs a bit of TLC; I've done some pruning but it could use sources and possibly some expansion - and I'm sorry to say I care about as much for football as I do for having live whelks forced up my nose; I figured you'd get more enjoyment out of it than me! Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Nicolás Otamendi
I was about to double the ref (which is what I should have done in the first place, instead of reverting), I see you beat me to it :) I know you are working for the best of the project, no sweat.

Happy Xmas and 2015, from Portugal, take it easy --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

RE: Luiz Adriano page
I am reverting your vandalism (and to be fair, megalomania). An official award by UEFA is "un-notable"? About the "references" for honours... do you see any References in the Honours for the Lionel Messi page? Learn the Wikipedia policy for player honours, learn what notable is, and use the talk page before deleting whole sections. Sick of trolls, really. If you delete it again without a discussion on the talk page I will simply revert you back, as you obviously are out of your mind thinking you can pick on pages and "rewrite" the rules. 2.124.11.10 (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Rodgers
Stop editing Brendan Rodgers page...he is divorced from his wife — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordan1892777 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Chitalu international goals
Hello. Firstly, Godfrey Chitalu has been dead for over 20 years so referring to WP:BLP in the revisions comments is inaccurate and perhaps a little callous. Secondly, kindly explain exactly what level of referencing would satisfy you (personally) in this particular case. Are you asking for a single reference which lists the full table? Or individual references for every goal? Or a few articles as an example? The international goals table was provided by Jerry Muchimba based on his research in Zambian newspaper archives. This is original work which will be published in a forthcoming book, and which has been published in part in magazine articles and websites etc. Mr Muchimba can reference every goal and article separately, if necessary, but obviously it is rather overkill (especially compared to the analogous tables for other players with high goals counts). He also had a rather hard time previously dealing with the issue of the Messi "record" (see the Talk page), and the international goals is not as contentious an issue as that was. Thus would prefer to know specifically what is sufficient here, to avoid a tedious back-and-forth of edits. Thanks for your attention. Nfm24 (talk) 14:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Heights
Can you show me where I removed "referenced and valid content" as you say? I only removed heights where there was no source or where the source was unreliable. I'm not bothered enough to keep going at this, but for the record, the notion of using Goal.com as a valid reference - as you have - is laughable. It's essentially a tabloid website. Take a look at the dross they publish - if you think that's a reliable source, then I have to question your judgment. Your attitude is one that fosters unreliability and acceptance of poor sources in Wikipedia, which compromises the credibility and undermines the quality of the website.

I'm not trying to be churlish, I just don't like the idea of putting statistics and numbers - empirical facts - without an effort, or only a lazy effort, to back them up. IMO it's better to leave it until we find something reliable to support that. Wikipedia is an encylopedia after all, and that's hardly an encyclopedic approach.

You wanted to know of policies supporting my views? Have a look here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#When_and_why_to_cite_sources

GossamersGossamers 20:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Gossamers, I'm afraid you're flat out wrong here, and consensus is also against you. Goal.com is largely considered a reliable source by the Football WikiProject (not just GiantSnowman) for player's profiles - and unless you have any major evidence to the contrary, it will remain so. Whether it is a reliable source for news is another matter, and that isn't relevant here. You also removed information that used Soccerbase as a reference, and that is unacceptable. Also, your edit summaries demanded "official sources", and yet also asked for the BBC or The Guardian to be used as references? Bear in mind those places don't even tend to cover player's heights, and that they aren't official, and you'll see that you've barked up the wrong tree entirely. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 20:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)