User talk:Gibmetal77/Archive 4

JCRB/MEGV
I've put a case up at Requests_for_checkuser/Case/JCRB. Narson (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Reading it though, I think it is the wrong place. I'm going to try and find the correct one, if I find it I will withdraw the case. I've withdrawn it, if it gets disruptive, I'll poke around WP:ANI and WP:SSP.Narson (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC) (edited Narson (talk) 21:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC))

tagging cats of birds of
You recently tagged the Cape Petrel as a "bird of Gibraltar". The Cape Petrel is restricted to the Southern hemisphere, and is occasionally a vagrant to the north, but as a rule we don't tag vagrants as being of a place. Regular migrants and residents yes, but the Summer Tanager is hardly a European bird (for example) just because one hapless individual was blown across the Atlantic. I'd suggest not tagging birds labeled as (A). Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Malta - Yolgnu
Grazzi!

I'd like to thank you for reverting user Yolgnu's repeated changes to the Maltese People article; they have been making questionable edits to Malta related articles for some time. golden bells, pomegranates, prunes &amp; prisms (talk) 08:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Jaysweet (talk) 15:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I didn't really have a problem with your edits, but since you were both already over the limit, I felt that if I issued a warning to one of you, I had to issue it to both of you.  It's great to hear you're discussing it on the Talk page.  If you don't wanna have a stern warning cluttering up your user talk page, feel free to delete it :) Thanks!! --Jaysweet (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

list of gibraltarians
Hi there, i think that the elected leader of the Student Association and the national Youth Cuncil of gibratar is note worthy enough? also im not sure but i think mr Montado sits on the Youth Advisory Council (which he pushed government to create) and currently advises the Government of Gibraltar on Youth Policy? he has also appeared many times on GBC Television as has Mr Bristow and mr Montado has also appeared on Viewpoint to discuss many issues. i find it odd that these young people who are doing or have done so much in Gibraltar 'dont have enough noteriaty' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibonwiki (talk • contribs) 17:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hey mate, sorry I bother you for a moment, but, are you an administrator? (just for curiosity)--J.C. (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Disculpá, pero no entendí tu pregunta. ¿Qué quieres decir con "¿Cómo que preguntas?"?--00:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MXER (talk • contribs)
 * Te preguntaba por el diseño de tu página de usuario, me parecía demasiado avanzado para un editor regular. Pero por lo visto no, no es avanzado.--J.C. (talk) 01:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Concern over Alfred Holmes article
Gibmetal77, I would firstly like to say that I have nothing personal against Alfred Holmes. I am concerned that Alfred Holmes is a person who is not notable enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia focusing on him. If you look at Notability (people), you will be able to see that a person may not be considered notable if the person has not been "the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject". You may argue that because he was mentioned in a scientific study, he has been the subject of published secondary source material. However, he was not the focus of the study, and therefore was not the subject. You may argue that because he was mentioned in a history of the Regiment, that criteria is followed. However, I have examined the history of the Regiment to which a link was provided to on the article, and I have found no mention of Alfred Holmes.

If the criteria which is described in Notability (people) is not followed, I am afraid I shall consider marking the Alfred Holmes article for deletion. Please edit the article so that it does fit the criteria. I will be willing to help anyway I can. If it doesn't seem the article will fit the criteria within 5 days, then I shall start the deletion procedure.

I would also like to say that when the article said "For this he was best known locally by the nickname of "El de los monos" (Spanish: He of the monkeys)", a source was provided, but it did not mention Alfred Holmes at all. As a result, I have removed the reference, and replaced it with a 'citation needed' note. Please do not re-insert the reference I have deleted, as it talks about a source that does not mention Alfred Holmes.

Also, please examine COI, which deals with conflict of interest. From the information supplied with the photo of Alfred Holmes, it would appear that you are a relative of him. This is not a bad thing in regards to the article, so long as you do not include material which is biased as a result of your family link with Alfred Holmes.

Thank you for reading. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response to my comments on this talk page. I am happy with extending the deadline I have stated, but only if you can refer me to some specific "published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject" about Alfred Holmes by tomorrow.  I know that this sounds harsh, but I do not want to keep an article up in which there is no evidence regarding it to suggest it covers a notable person.  I do not need you to insert the sources (which covers the aforementioned criteria) you may refer me to in the article.  Just so long as I know such sources exist that will be ok.  I do not mean to be draconian.  Articles that may break notability have to be treated very seriously.  I hope you understand.  EasyPeasy21 (talk) 20:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you will be able to see this before you come back from your vacation, but I have extended the deadline. I look forward to working with you on the article. I wish you a good holiday. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Gibmetal77, I hope you have had a nice holiday. I have noticed from the list of your contributions that you have been editing Wikipedia since July 22, but I have not observed any progress on the Alfred Holmes article yet.  Please could you begin to insert information into it from "published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject"" by 00:00 GMT July 28.  If that sort of information isn't added by that time, I will nominate the article for deletion.  Thank you in advance.  EasyPeasy21 (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Alfred Holmes
An article that you have been involved in editing, Alfred Holmes, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Alfred Holmes. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? EasyPeasy21 (talk) 08:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Alfred Holmes appears to now statisy notability guidelines
Gibmetal77, I am pleased to inform you that "published secondary source material which is reliable, [and] intellectually independent" in which Alfred Holmes is the subject of the information has been found. It has been employed in the article. I am now statisfied that Alfred Holmes is notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia. I believe the debate over whether the article should be deleted will continue for a few more days. However, I believe, although I cannot be sure, that the article will not get deleted now. You may consider thanking Kernel Saunters, and Darkspots, as they have done the most to edit the article so that it fits the notability guidelines.

If I may suggest, I believe you should work now to try and add citations to the information regarding his early life, and his death. If you can direct me to any sources to achieve that goal, I will be happy to help. Thank you for reading. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 19:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Changing the names of the Maltese village articles
There is currently an ongoing debate about whether the articles on Maltese villages should be given their English names. Kyarichy has already gone and renamed a bunch of articles such as as Kalkara citing these changes from an old obsolete paper and http://www.geody.com, even though these names are no longer in use.

The naming conventions clearly state that foreign location names commonly used in English should be used as the article names.

It would be appreciated if you could assist us in this discussion. ~  &#9658; W y k e b j s &#9668;  (userpage | talk) 10:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problem: St. Michael's Cave
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Elections in Gibraltar
Hello, I have opened an RM at Talk:Gibraltarian general election, 2007 to move the three articles on elections in Gibraltar. I thought you might be interested as you were involved in the previous RM on referendums. Thanks, Pfainuk talk 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Your note
Thank you for your note. I have replied. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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National Day
Thank you! And happy National Day to you too! RedCoat10 (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Med cusine
Hi Gibmetal77, I've seen your changes to Template:Cuisine of the Mediterranean and I've left a comment. I'd be interested to know what you think. Take care. --Espencat (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re. Flamenco

 * No pasa ná hombre. Hope you're doing well! -- Asterion talk 21:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sí, vivo en Lincolnshire desde hace casi diez años (y, sí, soy de Sevilla). Que suerte lo de poder disfrutar la playa. Yo todavía no la he pisado este verano. Hoping the weather would still be OK, as I am going back home for a few days this Sunday. If I get a chance, I may drive down to the Playa de los Alemanes, in Zahara... my playa favorita :) Asterion talk 06:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, not sure what I am doing as yet. I would let you know if I head your way.
 * By the way, I had a friend when I was studying at Lincoln uni who was from Gib. I completely lost track of him, as I finished one year ahead, though I reckon he stayed in England too. We used to code-switch a lot when hanging out. It was fun to see other people's faces when switching language mid-sentence :) Cheers, Asterion talk 21:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Se llamaba Edwin, el apellido no me acuerdo :) -- Asterion talk 21:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

History of Gibraltar?
Hi Gibmetal77. It seems you reverted some of my previous edits here. Presumably this was by accident, no? Best, RedCoat10 (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, many thanks. I imagined that was what had happened. Kind regards, RedCoat10 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Gibraltar/Did you know
Hi Gibmetal77. I understand your reasoning but think goes against the very principles of wikipedia. A portal is not a wikiproject since it's focused as a specialized representation of an area of knowledge. Therefore, it must stick to the five pillars (notably to NPV). If an old DYK is a POV, I can't see any valid reason to include it into a portal. If it's not possible to reach an agreement on the phrasing maybe it would be better to remove it. What do you think? Regards --Ecemaml (talk) 21:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral of St. Mary the Crowned
Hi Gibmetal, I've included very few additions yet (most of them come from the history of Gibraltar article). Do you have any specific dubious statement that requires a reference? I'll provide them ASAP. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 22:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it can be named "Parroquia de Santa María" since using the term "parroquia" to name the church is an extension of the original meaning of the term "parroquia" (parish). A parish is the area a given church server. By extension, the same term can be applied to the church. However, it seems to me that the use of "parroquia" as equivalent of "iglesia parroquial" is relatively new. I think anyway, that possibly all the terms could have been applied (I just wanted to emphasize the name of the church advocation -maybe this is not the right term in English- in its original language, Spanish; and the fact that there was never a cathedral in Gibraltar until the creation of the apostolic vicariate of Gibraltar). However, I'll look for references. The main problem is that my books in Spanish are more focused on the sovereignty that in the history and curiously my books in English are more verbose in the purely historical part. I'll look for sources anyway. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 12:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
For this. I didn't do it myself since I didn't wanted it to be perceived as a provocation. The strange thing is that, beside the sieges, the relationships across the frontier were, until the closure by the Spanish dictator Franco, much more intense than nowadays. In such an article I just aims to tell the story of the exodus, the places where they settled down and how the Gibraltar symbols ended up in sites such as Algeciras or San Roque. I think it's an encyclopedic issue and has nothing to be with the (I must say) anachronistic claim on Gibraltar. Best regards and thank you again --Ecemaml (talk) 10:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, even recognized that I can be somehow biased, the only purpose of the article is providing an account of the destination of the refugees. Please, ask for sources or correct me whenever you think an unattributed POV is introduced as a fact. I'll correct it or look for sources if applicable. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Diseño
Hola Gibmetal, soy Willtron de la Wikipedia aragonesa, me ha gustado el diseño tú página de usuario, así que me he inspirado un poquillo para remodelar mi página en la wiki aragonesa. La verdad es que la encontré buscando a gente de Gibraltar, estuve la semana pasada en vuestro país y me interesó ver si había gente de allí colaborando en la wikipedia. Me gustó mucho Gibraltar, me parece un sitio muy interesante y por eso me desplacé desde Jerez ya que no podía pasar de largo sin entrar, no obstante el sitio que más me gustó fue este ... veo que nuestro país también está presente en todo el mundo y me hizo ilusión :-D. Saludos...y si te interesa que traduzcamos alguna cosa de Gibraltar al aragonés no dudes en contactar conmigo. -- Willtron ( ? )  14:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gracias, pues veo algunas cosas interesantes que no tenemos sobre Gibraltar (solo tenemos el del propio país, en aragonés Chibraltar) y traduciré (por ejemplo las lenguas, especialmente el llanito). Me pilla un poco lejos de casa Gibraltar, yo vivo en Zaragoza, no había estado antes tampoco por la provincia de Cádiz, pero si paso por allí algún día ya te avisaré,...y por supuesto lo mismo digo si pasas por Zaragoza también puedes contactar conmigo si quieres. Por cierto, cuando iba paseando por Main Street vi un hombre con una medalla grande colgada en el cuello con el emblema del Reino Unido que le estaban haciendo una entrevista los de la televisión,...así que como supuse que era alguna personalidad gibraltareña aproveché que había otros fotógrafos para fotografiarle yo también. Luego resulta que cogí un periodico gratuito "El Faro de Gibraltar" y me llevé la sorpresa de que aparecía el hombre Ambrose R. Avellano, que dice que es un pintor gibraltareño,...supongo que allí será más conocido, pero no hay artículo en la wikipedia inglesa. Si quisierais hacer su artículo me lo dices y subo la foto. Saludos-- Willtron  ( ? ) [[Image:LinkFA-star Aragon.svg|15px]] 19:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The Convent
Hi Gibmetal77. Could you please take a look at this reference. It seems as if some part of the article have been verbatim copied from there (see for example the section on King's Chapel). I don't think I'm fluenty enough in English to correct it myself. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 07:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Moorish Castle
Hi Gibmetal. There seems to be an error in the article infobox. Just below the map it reads:  As I haven't followed the evolution of the article I don't think where the error is. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems that the problem is that you must include the decimal values of latitude and longitude in the infobox attributes named in the same way. Otherwise, map_type should be empty. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I guess you've seen the documentation and the example in such a page. However, I'm not able to figure out how to set the offsets of the coordinates. I've managed for removing the error notice, but I don't think the marker is in the right place. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I dare...
... to ask for your help. Would you mind, if you've got time and the wish to do it, helping me with a very short translation? It's an old-style Spanish (it the answer of the Gibraltar city council to the prince of Hesse when asked for surrender) and I don't trust my English too much. Here you have it: Excelencia: Esta ciudad, habiendo recibido la carta de vuestra excelencia de fecha de hoy, responde: que ha jurado al señor don Felipe V como a su rey y señor natural y como corresponde a sus fieles y leales vasallos, sacrificar sus vidas en defensa suya, y así será con esta ciudad y sus habitantes: lo cual siendo así no tiene nada que añadir sobre el tema de la carta adjunta, si no es el deseo de que nuestro Señor conceda a vuestra excelencia que viva muchos años. Gibraltar, a 1 de agosto de 1704. Excellency: This town, having received the letter by your excellency of today's date, answers: that it has sworn to the lord sir Philip V as his king and natural lord and, as faithful and loyal vassals, they are entitled to sacrifice their lifes in his defence, and it will be with this town and its inhabitants: thus it has nothing to add to the subject of the attached letter, but wishing Our Lord to give your Excellency to live many years. Gibraltar, 1st August 1704.

How good is my translation? Corrections and enhancements would be highly appreciated. Best regards and many thanks in advance --Ecemaml (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well my source is a Spanish PhD Thesis from the Universidad Complutense de Madrid. You can see it here. Unfortunately, it's not complete and the last two sections, CAPITULO IV. GIBRALTAR DESDE CARLOS IVA LA CRISIS DE 1898: UN OBJETIVO SECUNDARIO y CAPÍTULO V. EL CONTENCIOSO HISPANO-BRITANICO SOBRE LOS LIMITES DE GIBRALTAR: ¿USURPACION O DERECHO? are not included. A pity! The text I asked you to translate comes from pg. 64. That section is quite interesting since it also quotes the letter sent by the prince of Hesse to the Gibraltar garrison asking for surrender, the letter by the Archduke Charles, the terms of surrender, the letter sent by the City Council to king Philip V swearing its fidelity to the king (BTW, it will be my next assignment ;-))... It's pretty interesting, since it provides a lot of material, even if with a natural Spanish bias (I've not fully read it and I can't assess it.... being a PhD Thesis I expect it will be as neutral as possible).


 * With regard to your question, I don't mind. I was born in Madrid and I learned English through the public education system. After getting my degree I eventually joined a multinational company and from time to time I have to go to the company HQs for some weeks (as now, for instance). As you can understand, the internal language of the company is English. My wife lived for several years in Edimburg and currently we're trying to give our daughter a bilingual education. Fortunaltey, it's her the one that takes the role of taking to her in English. Well, I know that my English is far from being perfect, but I usually get to be understood. Writing non-technical texts, such as those of wikipedia, are quite complex for me, as you've noticed. Hopefully, you correct my imperfect texts and it finally translates in good contents for wikipedia. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 16:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC) PS: I assume that you were born in Gibraltar and you learned both English and Spanish in there :-)

Paella Article
I'm afraid I disagree with three of your edits.

First: I disagree with your removal of the Valencian paella pic from the info box. I see nothing wrong with having two pics there. Also, I view this as pertinent for the situation, given that seafood paella is a derivation of Valencian paella. Also, since you live so close to Spain, you should know that Valencian paella is very popular there.

Second: I feel uncomfortable with the second sentence of the first paragraph where you've written it as follows: "It is considered...". You've written this sentence in the passive voice. However, I used the active voice: "Spaniards consider...". Notice that in the passive voice it's impossible know who's doing the considering. Whereas in the active voice the writer must indicate that it's Spaniards who consider paella one of Spain's national dishes.

Third: You insist on the using the phrase Valencian Community. While I'm aware that Spaniards use this term, most foreigners are likely to find it confusing. It could mean a community outside of Spain or a small community within a Spanish city. The term Valencian region with a link to the article on the Valencian Community prevents this confusion while pointing out exactly where this region is located and the fact that it consists of three provinces.

By the way, there is one more minor issue I'd like to bring up. Sentence fragments don't end with periods. For some reason you insist on ending the pics captions with periods despite the fact that they're quite obviously fragments.

I'm going to make the above three changes. If you revert the changes, I will wait a couple of days and revert it back. If you revert it again I will appeal to an administrator for help on this issue. Pasta4470 (talk) 21:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Gib Talkpage
Not a problem. I nearly removed it myself, but apart from his last edit I thought it seemed like ill informed but justifiable comment on the issue and didn't want to remove one edit someone made to their own work etc. I must admit, now I know Gibraltar is full of pirates, it sounds far cooler than it did before. ;) -- Narson ~  Talk  • 19:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * ✅, --Gibmetal 77 talk 13:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Triay
Well, here the issue is that the reference supported not only the statement you pointed out but some others. It was the reason why I put it as external reference, in order to avoid using it as a explicit reference too many times... Well, if you think it's better in that way I won't complain, but you haven't convinced me :-) Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC) PS: BTW, I guess that Friends of Gibraltar Heritage Society should be added to the public watch list. I'd rather not interfering in there so it's your task :-)

Gibraltar-bio-stub
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 * Hi again - I've replied over at WP:WSS/D but basically you need to find/make a few more stubs on Gibraltarian people (there need to be 60 for a separate category, so you're about half way), then propose the category at WP:WSS/P. Grutness...wha?  23:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Paella article
I thought that you might like to know that (hopefully) the drama with this article should be done. User:LuisGomez111 was found to be editing the article using sockpuppets, User:Pasta4470 being one of them, and has had his accounts blocked. Happy editing! :) Shinerunner (talk) 11:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hi Gibmetal, I've dared to review your Spanish article on the Gibraltar monkeys. I hope it helps. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 15:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)