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hunter mariners
May I ask what is wrong, in your mind, with Hunter Mariners.   The Windler      talk   09:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hardman Herb Narvo
I think we should high-five ourselves for a good team effort effort on Herb Narvo. A half-decent short article on an obscure player generated in quick time. Do you want to do any others together Kel O'Shea ? Eric Weissel ? Dan Dempsey ? I must say I like the assertion He is considered one of the nation's finest footballers of the 20th century in the leading paragraph and subject to us attaching a citation to a Top 100 list at its end, I think it would be appropriate to inlcude in the lead-in for all Top 100 players - see Brian Hambly. What do you reckon ? - Sticks  66  23:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Duncan Thompson story is a good one in that vein, but I know you're already contributing to that. Thanks for the tip on the Museum Photos, I din't know about them and they are excellent. The usage of pre-1955 shots is an interesting issue. On my talk page is some dialogue with Boylo who alerted us to this opportunity a few weeks back. Florrie as you can see has helped me post many shots. But we've found that shots sourced from the State Library of NSW say Not a free image - This image is provided for research purposes only and must not be reproduced without the prior permission of the State Library of NSW. This is similar problem that I glean from reading the Nat Museum copyright restrictions. But I wonder about this; I would have thought the pre-1955 exemption applies to all pre-1955 shots regardless if the site tries to assert otherwise. Perhaps I'll ask Boylo and you may want to monitor his response.- Sticks  66  11:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Billy Smith move
I understand why you moved Billy Smith to Billy Smith (ice hockey), and agree with the move. However, you might have considered that there are several dozen other ice-hockey related articles that contain links to Billy Smith and now take readers to a disambiguation page instead of an article about the ice hockey player. Indeed, until I fixed it this morning, the disambiguation page did not even contain a link to the player's biography, which made it nearly impossible for readers to find. In short, when you move a page and then remove the redirect from the old title, it would be appreciated if you take responsibility for fixing the incoming links that are broken by the move. --Russ (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Namila Davui
Hey Jeff - FYI, I had a go at putting a speedy delete tag on Namila Davui (one of the 'articles' I mentioned on WP:RL) only to have it rejected because the article says he plays for the Bulldogs. That's all that's needed apparently. No references, no links, no truth - just an assertion of notability. I might go and start an article on Florrie Smith, the well-known Antarctic explorer and see how long that lasts. Cheers. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 02:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Navbox rugby league squad
I'm afraid I don't know for the league standard navbox, I tried myself but no joy. They are fairly standard throughout the union templates such as shown with Template:Saracens F.C. squad. I believe the borders are actually discouraged, though I couldn't quote you a specific page. What I do remember reading is alot of stuff about them fowling up in different browsers, resolutions, etc. The simple two colours with no borders seems to be the standard throughout wikipedia though. Guess if you did want to do it, it would be a major overhaul of the coding. Londo 06  08:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Freddy Fittler
Sorry I was under the impression that it would be the same as the UK, Canada and New Zealand. Londo 06  08:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I thought that it would be the same as an OBE, CBE, MBE, etc that would be added to the end of the name as a standard for the full name. Londo  06  09:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jonny Wilkinson was due to the coding saying birth name and the output saying full name. The AB one could well be Australia opting out of the norm, just an idea, I honestly couldn't say why there would be a reason for it not being there as I wouldn't presume to talk for Australian issues. Londo  06  09:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking through it may well be Australia opting out, how bizarre. Londo  06  09:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed the oversight on Becks, the others are playing names, birth names and Charles has so many to list it would just be plain silly on an infobox. Probably find a backlog if I really wanted to go for it though. Londo  06  09:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Footy
It was a disambiguation page before the IP editor got hold of it, so I returned it that. Footy is also the name for a class of model yacht which has its own article. Since that sense is totally unrelated to football, I figured making footy a redirect page was superior to putting a redirect notice on the football article. Caerwine Caer’s whines 04:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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jerseys
OK - I'm making a to do list below, add anything there on my talk page, and I will strike it out when I've finished.


 * It depends, if you look at Queensland state rugby league team there is a dodgy version of a jersey and I think my versions are better.


 * I don't think I could create such images for our clubs, and I wouldn't bother. But I ask, do you want to put all the jerseys in the history of that club in the infobox, or just the current one.


 * Also, the heritage jersey, I made just so users could see the differing jerseys. I don't think that should happen for every round, they take up too much space.   The Windler      talk   11:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps like here.   The Windler      talk   11:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean byyour comment in the away jersey for the Broncos. It is white and maroon.   The Windler      talk   07:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it seems more navy blue than maroon, my mistake. I assumed it was maroon without much thought... But I think the 2006 grand final jersey was maroon? Do you agree.   The Windler      talk   08:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

RFL / SL seasons
I understand what you're saying and did consider these points before I made the changes. My thinking was, Super League is still being described as e.g. the "110th season of top-level professional rugby league" in articles and that RFL and Super League seasons are not entirely disconnected - they still decide the Championship. There is also the 'precedent' of Template:National Rugby League which combines NSWRL, ARL and NRL seasons. Regarding the division of pre-Super League seasons (into NRFU, RFL, etc.), they give the reader a bit more detail and disabuse them of the notion that all of those seasons were known as Rugby Football League seasons. It also was in line with the names of the links locations in the table. On this last point about the labelling perhaps it could be changed to just dividing between RFL and SL seasons (if it's thought best to retain the SL seasons in the table). JoelUK (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Jeff, I notice that you'd reverted to the previous version. Here's why I think we should return it to include Super League seasons: (1) Ease of use. Users of Wikipedia are going to find it a lot easier to navigate between seasons of all the British rugby league Championships are in one template. (2) As with the NRL, the statistics on appearances, tries etc. for players and clubs who played both before and in Super League were continued. As an example, when Leeds won Super League the other year it was repeatedly said by media and supporters how Leeds hadn't won the league in 30 odd years. (3) I think looking at the NRL vs Super League that it wasn't Britain that had the largest shake-up. The NRL unified an ARL and a rebel competition. The NRL is currently half controlled by News Corp and half by the ARL. Whereas Super League was in danger of becoming completely separated from the RFL from its inception until 2002, it is now unified again with the RFL (see: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20020126/ai_n9672037) and also Rugby Football League Limited and Super League (Europe) Limited are both under one roof at Red Hall in Leeds. (4) Super League isn't distinctly separate from the lower leagues. There are differences but they are all part of the same structure/pyramid - there was relegation and promotion after all. Before Super League the leagues had many formats; it started as a single league, then split into Yorkshire and Lancashire, then re-organised into first and second divisions, and then a mixture, then two, then one, etc... there have always been changes and re-vamps. Whether there should be a Super League template and a RFL one is another question. I'm happy to keep both. The SL template doesn't just contain the seasons, it also has the current participant clubs. Perhaps further distinctions could be added? For an example, have a quick look at what Template:NHL topics includes. JoelUK (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Peter Gallagher
Hey Jeff, I recall that disambig-ing and redirecting is something you're into. Can you suggest what we do with Peter Gallagher (rugby league footballer) and Peter Gallagher (rugby league) who are two different players of the same era.- Sticks  66  12:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

1976 World Club Challenge
Hi. I read your comment about why you took the 'Rugby League' part out of the article name - just remember though that not all of us are rugby fans (yes, there are some !) and therefore may have no idea whatsoever what the 'World Club Challenge' refers to without reading the article :-) One thing I noticed though is that the World Club Challenge articles for different years have a variety of styles (though the one's you've developed seem to follow the same layout). Is there any chance of reformatting them to look (roughly) the same ? CultureDrone (talk) 07:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't expect a response THAT fast - I keep forgetting about world timezones with this thing ! :-) I'd noticed you'd been editing several of the articles - were you responsible for the snazzy coloured tables in the 1997 article ? CultureDrone (talk) 07:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Papillon (film) Location
Was this filmed in Australia? I heard it was.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the IMDb website, filming locations were: Jamaica, Spain, and St. Laurent du Maroni, Guyane, Départements d'Outre-Mer, France (Camp de la Transportation, closing sequence).  (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC))

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Other Nationalities
Hey Jeff, notice you've made to a few edits to Other Nationalites. I'm looking for the Int'l RL debut date of dual int'l Ray Cale who played for Wales against O.N. in either 1951 or 1952. Don't suppose you have any access to team line-ups such as would reveal the answer ? - Sticks  66  04:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Rugby players: User:Londo06

 * See User talk:Anthony Appleyard. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See User talk:Anthony Appleyard. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * NB, I see that in the past two days Keith Jarrett (rugby footballer) and John Bentley (rugby footballer) have been moved without discussion to Keith Jarrett (rugby dual code) and John Bentley (rugby dual code). Xn4  ( talk ) 01:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the same goes for John Devereux (rugby), but it was stated that that was done as a test edit, which I thought was fair enough. Then the two guys pushing for the change claimed a ficticious consensus at this and this discussion and went about moving the others.--Jeff79 (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion is happening in several places. I am trying to round it all up in Talk:Paul_Moriarty_(rugby). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Premiership squad templates in season pages
I think that's one we should definitely leave out. The squad listings are already in the Grand Final section. MDM (talk) 11:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Club football guidelines
Hi Jeff - I've been following your user page as you add to your reasoning for including/excluding clubs from the infobox. I pretty much agree with all you have listed so far, particularly the suggestion for players such as Josh Hannay. To me, if a footballer plays for a Super League club which is then demoted or a Division One club which is promoted to SL, then the club should appear in the infobox. As long as the footballer ran on to the field during a SL game, that's enough.

I've been looking at the last two examples - Chris Beattie and Corey Lawrie. How do we treat clubs in competitions which, in the strictest sense, are not top level (ie, in each instance one club plays in the NRL or SL) but are the highest level of domestic competition? Do we treat it as with Brisbane and the BRL? Do we exclude top level domestic competition because of one club? And if we do include them, at what point are they excluded if more clubs from either France or New Zealand enter the SL or NRL? Writing this out I've talked myself into the Brisbane/BRL scenario. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 12:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey. Yeah, no one was really meant to see that yet as it's still a work in progress, but I'm flattered by your interest and pleased by your like-mindedness. I was working on that with the intention of introducing it after the adpotion of the new infobox on its talk page. You can see that when I got to Beattie and Lawrie I kinda ran out of steam as it just seems to get all too hard. All French clubs may need to be included as I think their national teams have been largely sourced from the domestic competition. And if they're included for French players they should be included for foreign players too, right? The same goes for New Zealand, pre-Warriors. So then we're left with just Australia and England having the selective inclusion policy? That's why part of me just wants to throw it in and allow all club football (a la Paul Gascoigne). The current discussion about colours added a new dimension to this, as an exhaustive list doesn't look so bad without colours. The issues of colours and inclusion are closely tied I think, as it's easier for me to see the benefit of an exhaustive list of all clubs a player played for if there won't be any colours. Similarly it's easier for me to see the advantage of having colours if the list is limited to only a few clubs. With a complete club football list the row of totals, as with the soccer players, could be left out, negating any negative effects of mixing minor with major football. A combined total for Chris Beattie would be pretty silly. Players like Brad Fittler won't be too much worse off as just looking at his matches played you get a general idea of what the total would be anyway. If a tradeoff could be agreed to between those in favour of inclusion and those against colours, we might be closer to a result. Or we could push ahead with trying to get our way with both the selective guidelines and the exclusion of colours. I kinda expected MDM, Sticks, Windler and yourself (who all also agree that colours are't needed - is it also a coincidence that we're the ones who contribute most?) to be supporters of the guidelines. But I've been having second thoughts about them because of how verbose they are and how complex they will become. I imagine discussion about agreeing on them being endless. That's why there's no way I was going to put them forth now when we appear to be so close to putting the infobox out. And it's also why the colours/inclusion tradeoff started to look more attractive.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As M pointed out, WP policy seems to be against the use of colours in infoboxes as original research and no other sport (that I can find) uses a similar colour system, so I wouldn't be even looking at any sort of trade-off right now. More than likely, if we did trade off, three or four months down the track all the icons would have to be removed because a policy admin got wind of it...now there's a thought...we'd have the best of both! I'd forgotten about the representative selection angle with France. That puts a spanner in the works. Would you be prepared to see the end of G/T/FG tallies in infoboxes if we went with a complete list of clubs? The thing is it needs to be sorted for notability whatever we decide with infoboxes. Maybe you should put your guidelines into your sandbox until you are ready to present them for discussion? I'll probably still find it though. :) &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 02:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC) ETA: Please reconsider "bending" on a discussion where the support tally is 7-3. The way we are going we may as well leave the infobox as it is and just pretty it up with some new dividers. We'll still have the same old arguments/objections whatever we do. :( &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 02:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'd not like to see G/T/FG tallies go. I think the New Zealand club football issue could be fixed if we treat it the same as BRL, using he Warriors' entrance to the League as the cut-off date. That only leaves the French. The foreign players like Chris Beattie, whose totals would be a little bit skewed by mixing in the french club footy will probably be few and far between. So I think all french domestic footy can go in if it's top-level.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Trevor Allen
Thanks Jeff. No I didn't know that he played RL for Other Nationalities till you told me. Ta. By the way, that Other Nationalities article is looking really good. - Sticks  66  12:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Don't suppose you know which Other Nat game he made his RL rep debut do you ? and 2) Would appreciate your view on a matter which I've written about on the discussion page of the DCI article. Can you take a look ? - Sticks  66  11:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Premiers table
I noticed that the 1908 Newcastle side is on the same line as the 1988 Newcastle side. Given the Gold Coast teams and the current Titans are separate, and that the merged Dragons are separated from the old St George, shouldn't the two Newcastles be separated? The way it looks is that they are the same club who didnt play in the NRL for 80 odd years. Mdw0 (talk) 00:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately Wikipedia is full of different premiers tables so you'll have to tell me which article exactly.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Queensland link
That's an excellent ref you linked to at Lionel Morgan (rugby league), Jeff. I've not come across it before. All I've been using is the 1995 Whiticker with the Queensland supplement. Do you have any, or know of any, references (on line or hard copy) for first-grade games played in Queensland - like Lionel Morgan with Wynnum-Manly? &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 03:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Mate I wish I did. That's the one thing I'd like to find but haven't been able to. I'm travelling so anything I find is online. There are some really comprehensive sites out there. I've got a few on my talk page. The England and New Zealand ones that I also stumbled upon come to mind, but no BRL as yet.--Jeff79 (talk) 04:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have emailed to express interest in a copy of "Up North" if it ever gets a re-print or onto cd as mentioned at the site. I've got the '83 and '85 Gary Lester Sun annuals. Unfortunately the '83 edition has bugger-all in the way of Brisbane stats. The '85 edition is good and has player stats, but it's limited to the one season obviously. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 09:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that'd be good. I'm slowly putting together the pieces for past Queensland based test players in order to build up to eventually putting together rugby league tour/test series articles like they have in rugby union and possibly also BRL premiership season articles. So much work though. Dunno if I'll ever get to it as I'm changing countries again in a few weeks.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Moved book cover image from the infobox to the part of the article's text that deals with the book.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Cavill Heugh
"Hi there Jeff, I see you keep removing the notability tag on the page for Cavill Heugh. I placed it there because there doesn't seem to be any indication of why he is notable.  Perhaps I don't know enough about rugby--could you please explain why he is notable, specifically including 3rd party reference(s)? --TylerPuetz (talk/contribs) 08:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * When you have listed some 3rd party references, I will remove that speedy deletion tag. I would recommend putting the references in a section labeled "References". -- TylerPuetz (talk/contribs) 08:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't keep removing it. I removed it once by accident because there was an edit conflict and I just cut & pasted what I'd done over the old version (which included your notability tag) rather than type it out all over again. I don't know how to make his notability any clearer than it is. If a reader doesn't know about the teams or competitions he played in, they are wikilinked. An in-text citations tag is more appropriate. I'm not real good with them, I admit. I don't like how the ones I've seen fill the edit window with link, date, source, etc. text, making it extremely difficult to tell citation text apart from the article's text when trying to edit it. Is there an in-text citing technique that only requires minimal text in the article's body, with the links, dates, sources, etc. at the bottom?--Jeff79 (talk) 08:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You asked, "Is there an in-text citing technique that only requires minimal text in the article's body, with the links, dates, sources, etc. at the bottom?", The answer is yes, you can use this: [] to cite your text. Did that answer your question? -- TylerPuetz (talk/contribs) 08:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just put the URL between the "[" brackets? That doesn't produce a list of references does it? Is it adequate? Doesn't it make the list of URLs I've put at the bottom redundant? I like the way the other in-text citing method provides footnotes and information at the bottom, I just hate what it does to the edit window.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff. Actually no.. the way to do citations is located at WP:CITE; using links within the text like that will not generate a reflist and to my understanding is generally deprecated.  Unfortunately there is no way around placing the citation text within the article text; it's how the site  is built. Do you know how to make named references?  With named references, you only have to place the cite information in the article text once. Prince of Canadat 09:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that Jeff, I must have misunderstood your question. -- TylerPuetz (talk/contribs) 09:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've just made an attempt, but the citation info appears in the text rather than in a reference list at the bottom. Not sure how to fix it.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff, I'll see what I can do. No need to notify me on my talk page; you're currently on my watchlist. Prince of Canadat 09:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it.. when you put in refs, you need to do them like so: . Prince of Canadat 09:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I'll use that as a basis for citing other articles I edit/create.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Jeff, I see you have provided one or more third party references, your aticle now meets Wikipedia article guidelines, and therefore, I have removed the notability tag from your page. If you have any questions, please reply on my talk page. --TylerPuetz (talk/contribs) 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

disambiguation for dual-code players
I would implore you to vote, I am going to go along with whatever outcome arises. Londo 06  13:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * An outcome has arisen and you didn't go along with that.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A 3-2 outcome with only three people including both you and I with any relation to the wiki-projects. I plan to open this up to all those who have an interest. If I find that most people do not agree with me, then I shall go along with the vote. Londo  06  13:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll find that it's 4 to 2 actually. Anyway, that result is from a discussion brought up at requested page moves, where interpretation of wikipedia's article naming policies and guidelines are discussed by editors who frequently deal with such issues. It cannot be discredited by a vote in a wikiproject.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * One of those was a comment from Xn4 who had already voted. I'm happy to welcome any votes on the wikiproject, I just felt it best to bring it to all those invested in the world of the oval ball. Londo  06  13:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're forgetting the editor that closed the debate. Anyway, the debate was also on the project discussion pages for both codes. We disambiguate only with what's necessary to differentiate articles of the same name, nothing more. Pretty simple stuff.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Have changed the title on the project page and will add a link to the previous discussion. Londo 06  13:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Craig Innes
Good one (the article on Craig Innes). Yes I'd agree he's a DCI. Andrews (ABC of Rugby League) says the ARL afforded the match Test status. By the way kind of spooky about that Freddie Fittler image problem after I asked a question about it. Hope I didn't raise a red flag by doing so. Ooops if I did. - Sticks  66  13:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Bob Bax
Hi Jeff - I've been reading an article on Norths Devils in my 1983 annual and there's a bit about Bob Bax, the "King of Coaches". Not enough information in it to build more than a slim stub so I was wondering if you know anything about him? Five straight permierships for Norths from 1960 to 1964 and he doesn't even get a mention in the club wiki article? &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 04:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a name that's come up a few times while I've been working on rugby league articles. Definitely an interesting one to me. I'd like to peiece an article together as well, but I haven't found much about him.--Jeff79 (talk) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When I get the love/time back for RL articles, I'll do more research. Cheers, &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 04:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Grevillea leucopteris
And I thought it was just me that could smell them... &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 04:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The nose knows. Requests for checkuser/Case/Fronsdorf--Jeff79 (talk) 00:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, knew it! Or rather, gut-felt it! Particularly CorleoneSerpicoMontana=Alexsanderson=Londo06, for quite a while, considering the articles I bumped into them all on. Thanks for taking the time and effort to request a check! I never had the courage to. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 00:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the indef blocks and the one-week block. Credibility shot. Wikipedia has suddenly become a much nicer place. When I think of all the absolute bloody crap coming from that group over the last year or so... How does this affect the decisions made at the Project? &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 00:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno. He does make worthwhile contributions, which I'm happy about. But intentionally stalling votes and slowing progress is not cool. This puts rather a whole new spin on all past and current wikiproject rugby league votes though doesn't it? i.e. club number, colour icons, '(rugby)' suffix just to name a few.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that is a matter of perspective. You may see worthwhile contributions but I saw continual reversions of my edits over the last year or so, using bully-gang tactics to gain consensus - even on non-RL related articles such as Sam, for an example, or my attempts to tidy up the Willie Mason article or the disruption over weights with the convert template and use of the endash and on and on and on. For me the negatives far outweigh any positives. In my opinion anything remotely worthwhile is outweighed by holding back the project and time-wasting in having to battle for consensus on the smallest changes. Anyway, it's good to have it in the open at last, thank you for that, and I'm heading back to the shop! &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 03:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC) ETA: Maybe you should post about this at the project. I mean, the whole "5 fields issue" was built around the opinion of sock-puppets! And look at all the work Joel had to put in to try and appease them! I'm sure the RU people may be interested as well.


 * Does this sound familiar? Arabian Peninsula article edited by Londo06, GarethHolteDavies and Fronsdorf at various times to push similar pov. Will the checkuser request continue to investigate or has it ended? &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 23:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. That could be further evidence. Certainly quite the coincidence isn't it? Mention it to the guys working on the case maybe? They seem to still be going on with it as the list of sock puppets being uncovered continues growing.--Jeff79 (talk) 00:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mentioned the above as well as User:Kelly, Christopher at the checkuser page. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 08:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, Snap! You're better at this than I am :) --Jeff79 (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

infobox and schoolboys.
What do you want me to do? Add "PLAYER played for Australian Schoolboys in XXXX".

I'll do it later from Category:Australian Schoolboy players.

  The Windler      talk   05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well yeah. Something like: "Before making his NRL debut for the Brisbane Broncos, Carlaw represented Australia at schoolboy level in 19XX." Or whatever you like along those lines. I definitely support the inclusion of schoolboy footy in the article. Someone went to the trouble of researching it and finding years played and I respect that. I don't suppport expunging the info from the article altogether.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Somehow, I doubt that. It seems to me, it all came out of the factory, one by one from . Thats not much research too me. And thats why there will never be games/tries/goals/fg/points. Though I get your point.   The Windler      talk   05:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's really good info and I'll definitely be putting the year, the school's name and which state into the body text.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As per Jamie Ainscough and Glen Air. These are biographical articles and I am all for expanding them as much as possible.--Jeff79 (talk) 06:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got a couple of hours, I'll start from Z in the category list and work back. Shall add to text and ref as I go. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 06:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Jeff, the height/weight 'compromise' is discussed here. Not ecstatic about it, but there were too many brick walls and are too many better things to do, particularly for the productive element of the project. Hopefully Joel can work out a "retired" code, or we delete it from the infobox altogether. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 10:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've done up to and inclusive of H on the Category:Australian Schoolboy players list. I'll do the rest, later this week.   The Windler      talk   11:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay - I'm still going backwards. Slowly. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 11:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Guys, I dunno what you're doin with this "compromise" business. When you're right, you're right and when you're wrong, you're wrong. Halfwits and their sockpuppets shouldn't be able to change that. Come on. Height and weight for dead and elderly people? You know as well as I do how bad that is.--Jeff79 (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hopefully I've resolved the issue. Unfortenly (for you) the default is the height/weight above the header. I will help you add the "retired=yes" to quickly resolve the issue.   The Windler      talk   20:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Jeff. I suggested the compromise in a moment of frustration. It's shit, I know, but wasting time with a moron with a bottomless sock-drawer isn't a pastime I enjoy. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 00:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC) ETA: I'll be busy this morning but I'll give a hand with the retired=yes to my list this afternoon. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 00:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for information purposes, I am up to and inclusive of M.   The Windler      talk   09:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

5 fields issue
Yeah we can, I'll work on it now, but remember, most retired players aren't dead yet.   The Windler      talk   09:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

(rugby)
I have decided that your idea on disambiguating dual-code players is best. I have added a vote at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_union to move (rugby player) to (rugby union) and eventually to remove (rugby) as the standard at the end of rugby union teams that needing disambigauting. Your thoughts would be welcome there, whether they be in support or opposition it would be good to remove the problems of (rugby) being the standard for two things and move (rugby player) in line with other sports such as (rugby league). Londo 06  08:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia
Did you know (DYK) about Greate Pier? Last king of Frisia (talk) 09:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, should I?--Jeff79 (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah, I think you should! You know, the thing is: the article is currently a GA class candidate. It has been put on hold by its reviewer. You think it is now fit? what do you think, will it pass or fail at the moment? Last king of Frisia (talk) 09:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks pretty good to me, yeah.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

kewl. that is solved then ! Last king of Frisia (talk) 09:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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orphaned category?
G'day mate,

Can you explain why you orphaned this category please? Hesperian 22:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There was doubling up with Category:National Rugby League clubs.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I know you don't like me but...
I can well imagine why you well not like me, however there is a clear guideline in place. Were there to be two persons in a picture I would obviously have no issue with a caption, I'd even support it. As stated by SpecialWindler at the Darren Lockyer talk page it is not something to get into an edit war over. There is a link on the pages to which I had removed the captions from, could I please request that you give it another read through. Many thanks. Londo 06  12:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You have some work to do at Nicole Kidman and Mel Gibson. Good luck.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe you wouldn't want to have the greatest contact with myself after my misdemeanours. The feeling is by no means mutual, but to be honest I do anticipate not have a great deal of contact with the existing rugby league community here at wikipedia. I will however state on this topic that I feel that captions within the infobox are redundant, especially given that it would be the player depicted. I can understand when there are two players in shot, I would even endorse those to be captioned. I feel that it hurts the infobox on an aesthetic level and adds little to inform the reader. If we can leave the reader to assertain a players NRL club, then surely we can give the reader enough credit to recognise that the players article and picture match up. Londo  06  14:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been looking around today and noticed that only a small minority of sporting articles have been captioned, and a large proportion of those are of articles with infobox pictures that feature people other than the player in question. I would hope that you would treat this as were it to come from any other editor, and not sullied by my bad name due to the sockpuppetry employed by myself. Many thanks for your attention to this matter. Londo  06  19:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just let me know when you manage to get those "redundant" captions removed from other biographical articles like Brian Lara, Douglas Adams, Michael Jackson, Gahndi, James Hetfield, Serena Williams, Glynn Lunney, Clint Eastwood, Kate Bush, Brett Favre and Ed Gein.--Jeff79 (talk) 01:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Those film actors and music artists are those whose appearance may change due to career requirements; prosthetics, hair extensions, etc. I don't believe the same applies for sportspersons, and my interest largely revolves around that sporting world. I would take you back to my earlier point and state that if we are for NRL players getting the reader to discern which club they currently play for, surely we can give the reader enough credit to understand that the player article and the picture within the infobox are one and the same. Londo  06  13:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just checking to see that you got my last couple of comments. Many thanks. Londo  06  19:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried. Londo  06  10:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to make the obvious clear to you. You make me type the most absurdly obvious things. It's your favourite thing to do. I don't get it. The captions are "(surname) playing for the (team) in (year)" or "(surname) in (year)". I'm not trying to put "This article is about the above person", in which case your attempt at an argument might have a trace of some substance. It's obvious that "(name) at/doing (something) in (year)" or "(name) in (year)" is a widely-accepted norm across wikipedia in ALL KINDS OF BOIGRAPHICAL ARTICLES (as already proven above, yet somehow managed to slip by you unnoticed). You need to start getting a lot more coherent if you want to debate something. Make a point please. I just wait and wait. You said something about prosthetics and hair extensions? How does that apply to anything? Here, I'll make it extra easy for you. Try to answer this question: Why is it ok for all of the above biographies (some of which are featured) to have such captions but not ok for rugby league biographies? (It's very important -for your case's sake- that your answer does not contain any reference to prosthetics or hair extensions).--Jeff79 (talk) 14:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I clearly gave you too much credit. The phrase 'Never argue with a fool, because from a distance others may not be able to tell the difference.' As such I do not intend to enter into any further discussion if no reasonable reply is forthcoming. Good day. Londo  06  15:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ??? --Jeff79 (talk) 16:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually the prosthetics argument could be seen to support your cause Jeff at least with respect to Infobox photos of Johnny Raper and Arthur Summons. Neither of these photos look like they're of the strapping, champion footballer who is the subject of the article. So it's perfectly appropriate for the caption to say at what age the subject was when the shot was taken.- Sticks  66  07:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but I just thought that was too obvious to have to type out. Ho, ho, silly me!--Jeff79 (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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Dragons Coaches
Hey Jeff, I've only just noticed the work you did on the list of coaches on St. George Dragons. Trust you'd agree with the principle of re-ordering them chronologically ? Rgds - Sticks  66  13:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They're not already?--Jeff79 (talk) 13:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite so. I didn't look hard enough to realise it was running in reverse order. - Sticks  66  13:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Making red-links your friend
What's that trick again that enables one to see how many articles link to a red-linked name ? - Sticks  66  07:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Click on the red-link and when the page to start the article loads, click on "what links here" in the toolbox on the left of the page. You'll get a list (if there are any articles linking, that is.) &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 07:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

New Userbox
How about a new userbox "This user believes that life's too short to spend it arguing with Londo06". It could be standard issue when one joing WP:RL and also WP:RU now too by the look of how things are going over there. - Sticks  66  12:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, that'd be awesome. But somehow I think he'd enjoy the publicity. I put a note on his sockpuppetry case which has now been reopened with a new batch of accounts. I wanted to say something about how I've seen good editors quit wikipedia out of frustration because of him, which actually damages the quality of wikipedia. I think something drastic needs to be done, he's like the terminator, "He will not stop... ever!".--Jeff79 (talk) 14:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, Florrie being your case in point. She made the sock box for me but without giving credit to his name which as you suggest he would only enjoy. I'm going to use the box. What about that revelation from WaspsFC that Londo walks into his office and asks him to create an account and vote on the RU navbox colour bar issue as a favour. Wanker. - Sticks  66  11:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

NRL categories
Hi. Is there a reason that the Bulldogs and Roosters both have two separate categories for their players? There's Category:Canterbury Bulldogs players and Bulldogs Rugby League Football Club players as well as Category:Sydney Roosters players and Sydney Roosters rugby league players. The Canterbury category is now redundant as to the best of my knowledge the club doesn't go by that name anymore so would you object to be moving those under that name to the other category? Similarly, in keeping with all other categories, should Sydney Roosters players be moved to Sydney Roosters rugby league players? Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 00:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, I've been going about moving players one by one as I come across them from the redundant Canterbury and Roosters Categories to the "Bulldogs Rugby League Football Club players" and "Sydney Roosters rugby league players" (so that category names mirror team article names). I've just been doing it slowly and bit by bit which is why it looks a bit wierd and disorganised these days.--Jeff79 (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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Oops
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Infobox colours
Hi Jeff, I noticed you removing some of the infobox colours* after an anon added them to a whole lot of profiles yesterday. I had a look around WP:RL but it seems there isn't an official policy one way or the other, so I was just wondering if this is correct? Personally I'd prefer to get rid of the colours. Mattlore (talk) 20:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * By infobox colours I mean ( New Zealand Warriors) as opposed to (Warriors)


 * The last that was said on the matter is here. Londo06 was pretty much the only one who wanted to keep them. Consensus is pretty strong for their removal. I've noticed all the usual rugby league editors removing them little by little. --Jeff79 (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ta. Yeah, I've been removing them as I go but to see an anon replace a whole lot was a bit annoying/suspicious. Cheers Mattlore (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Cured ?
Yes I suppose like a number of regulars my Wiki RL muse has deserted me lately. It's interesting how we all feed off each other's energy and when one goes quiet....Anyway, there've been other life concerns too. But just this week I've been getting back on the horse with Nicholas Shehadie and maybe I'll get back to DCIs. I'm getting close to 10,000 edits so I suppose that ought be a source of inspiration. Happy New Year BTW. - Sticks  66  15:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Removal of Dream Team from Super League XIII
Hi, i was just wondering what your reasoning was for removing the Template:2008 Super League Dream Team from the Super League XIII article? There's no explanation and i didn't want to simply revert it without understanding your motices. Cheers :-) Julianhall (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Julian. Yeah I noticed that template in the body text of the article under its own sub-heading and thought it was a newbie edit. Generally navbox templates are to go at the bottom of articles to provide links to other related articles contained within. Since Super League XIII wasn't a link within the template I thought it didn't belong. But now that I think of it, Super League XIII is linked to in the title of the template and that's why it was put in the article. In fact now that I think about it even more, I think it might have been me who put it there (as it was me who created those templates). It certainly wasn't me who moved it up to the body text and gave it its own sub-heading though, and I guess that's why it stuck out like a sore thumb and I took it out. I'll put it back at the bottom.--Jeff79 (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Footy
Your inexplicable edit to the Dab page Footy has been reverted. I'd welcome the chance to consider your point of view when you offer it at talk:Footy. My point of view is reflected, as my edit summary indicated, that MoSDab & WP:Dab govern the content of such pages, and it seems to me they do, since apparently "footy" is used for all the cases you removed. --Jerzy•t 08:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, yours is the only opinion not present on the talk page for footy. Rather than typing mine all out again, I'll just refer you there.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Back in action
 florrie  22:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh.--Jeff79 (talk) 01:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Manly
It was because someone had buggered up Template:Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles squad - 2008 NRL premiers. I've reverted. Cheers,  florrie  22:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Football (soccer)
The debate to rename the term football (soccer) to just simply "football" or "association football" has opened again. Please feel free to give your opinion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football_(soccer)_in_Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.0.121 (talk) 02:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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Brisbane Broncos
Hi, just wondering about your reason for undoing my edits relating to the nationality flags in front of the players names? I thought the flags were supposed to represent the country of birth (e.g. Civoniceva born in Suva, Fiji has the Fijian flag). If this is what the flags are supposed to represent then Thorn, Hunt & Carroll need the New Zealand flag, not the Australian one. I also removed the line "brisbane broncos won another premiership in 1990 but it was hushed up by the NRL." as it is not only incorrect but does not make sense in the context of the article. Regards, Dampmannz (talk) 04:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that line about 1990 is the one I was trying to undo. Must have screwed that up somehow.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not a problem, I'll take that line out. On closer inspection it looks like florrie changed all my Nationality edits. Your undo just restored that line about the premiership win in 1990. Good luck to your Broncos this weekend when they take on my Warriors. Dampmannz (talk) 09:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought I did delete that 1990 line? The flags are for representative nationality when a player has played at international level. Karmichael Hunt, Tonie Carroll and Brad Thorn have all - most recently - played for Australia. If a player hasn't declared for a nation one way or another, then it can be their birth nation - if that is what they claim to be. We'd be better off without the flags at all.  florrie  12:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Those tables
Hi Jeff - I thought one of the main reasons we went through the agony of revamping the infobox was so we didn't need those season by season tables? I've certainly been deleting them as I find them in articles, based on the new infobox. Otherwise, why did we bother with getting all the points detail in there? If the detailed information (season by season) is available on a reference site such as RLP or NRL.com, we have no need to duplicate that information, just link to it. Cheers, Floz, Flo,  florrie  12:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For me personally, I was pushing for the new infobox at the time because I couldn't stand footy players' careers being presented purely in terms of points (regardless of whether from tries or goals) in what was a copy of the soccer infobox. I've always said the purpose of that infobox was to summarize the career with further detailing in the body of the article (whether in the form of tables or not) as optional. If someone's gone to the trouble of presenting information in a wikipedia article in more detail than that in the infobox -and thus not duplicating it- I see no reason to delete it. Say, for example, someone wanted to add to that more detail-oriented table in Folau's article any seasons he played in the Queensland Cup, I wouldn't object. However the infobox would not be the place for this as it's a summarisation. That's my personal take on things. People can go into as much detail as they want with statistics (whether it's appearances, points, hit-ups or even metres gained) in the article body and I'd be fine with it. The infobox is a summary, not the be all and end all for statistics detail for the whole article.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I must have misunderstood then. In that case, the infobox could well have remained the same - without the points detail - and season tables could have been added to all players' articles! I understood we were encouraging more detail in text form, not tables. Never mind. I'll delete them where they have been added over the years and not updated. At the least they should have a current at field or be in sync with the infobox. At the moment the Israel Folau table shows one game played in 2009 and the infobox, two, and is supposedly correct to November 2008! Which reminds me, there is an idiot going around deleting update dates. Off to sort out my team for Fantasy NRL. Cheers,  florrie  00:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to admit, I misunderstood too, not that regret creating the new infobox, I believe it is far better anyway. And for articles in development (stubs etc.) I don't really have a problem of users putting them on undeveloped on developing articles, WP:NOT suggests "Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability and neatness of our articles", so while I'm not going to be deleteing any of them on the basis of that, I wouldn't be adding them either. The infobox is a summary, and I would like a neat way of conveying the information, but sometimes, they just arne't neat. I prefer these on the infobox and solely the infobox like Karmichael Hunt preferring that against Justin Hodges, Johnathan Thurston or what was previously on Karmichael Hunt's article or any equivalent. But anyway, Im on the fence on this once, I won't delete them nor will I create them, so ... Alot of people update the table statistics but not the "updated" which is really annoying when you want to append a few games on rather than going to the source.   The Windler      talk   05:13, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That Justin Hodges example is a straightforward case of duplication of data in the infobox so should definitely be deleted. But if the table has more columns (i.e. season by season) or more rows (i.e. interchange vs run-on, hit-ups, metres) then I don't have a problem with it.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Rivalries in Roosters
Hi Jeff. That Rivalries section in the Sydney Roosters article was always hokey. And now it stands a real possibility of causing the article to lose FA status. A "traditional rivalry" with the Broncos that goes back to 1998 and the one with the Dragons starting in 2001 - gimme a break ! The Bulldogs one is a crock too since it is all about some players who transferred in the last three years and a T-shirt made in 2008. I reckon we should just dump these three sub-sections. Keep the Rabbitohs rivalry - I believe it is genuine and traditional but transfer it to the Sydney Roosters and South Sydney Rabbitohs rivalry article to get it away from the FA review. Looking back it seems that MDM did a bit of that this time last year. A solution yes ? - Sticks  66  11:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * See my comment at the project page.   The Windler      talk   12:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if we should be keeping all discussion centralised here or not. Rivalries sections are a pet hate of mine since someone went about adding utter crap all over the place. I have no problem with genuinely notable rivalries being detailed in articles that truly warrant it. But someone once went about adding rivalries sections to NRL club articles with no regard for their notability presumably because they'd seen similar sections in other sports' articles and thought it was "cool" or something.--Jeff79 (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Adelaide Rams copyedit
I have agreed to do a copyedit on this article. I will probably make some mistakes, as I am not familiar with all the facts and have to try and interpret the sense of the article. Could I ask you to lay off from correcting until I have finished, because if we are both working on the text at the same time there will be edit conflicts galore. I won't be too long, I promise! Thanks. Brianboulton (talk) 16:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Queensland State of Origin article and history article
You noted, some time ago, that Queensland state rugby league team history should be merged into the QLD article. I agree, and maybe we should finally remove those merge templates on the article.    The Windler      talk   09:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Hull Kingston Rovers seaons
I see that you created this category and later blanked the page. A faster way to delete a category you've created yourself is to place db-author on the page. This tag attracts the attention of an administrator who can perform the deletion for you. Contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)