User talk:Gidonb/Archive 2018

DYK for Line the Label
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Goes and Oss soccer teams
Hoi, weer eentje bezig om pagina's van hoofdklasse clubs te verwijderen. Goes en Oss '20 zijn verwijderd. Heb ze laten restoren en staan weer terug als Draft. In de historie kan je wel zien wie de droplul is. --Sb008 (talk) 22:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sb008, thanks for letting me know. Let me think about this. Meantime I'm concentrating the discussion: Feel free to add to my text, if I missed any important link! gidonb (talk)
 * Links for VV Goes: VV GOES, Draft:VV Goes, Requests for undeletion, VV GOES, User talk:Sb008
 * Links for Oss '20: OSS '20, SV OSS '20, Draft:SV Oss '20, Requests for undeletion, SV OSS '20, User talk:Sb008
 * Links for both: User talk:RHaworth
 * If have seen de discussion and the doubtful reasoning. My advice is to work those article up to the same level as their Dutch equivalent but with plenty of sources. Only then you should admit it for a draft check. The Banner talk 13:50, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi The Banner, thank you for this advice! Just to clarify, which reasoning in the discussions do you consider "doubtful"? gidonb (talk) 15:45, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The doubtful reasoning was the shouting argument and the A7-argument (Article about a club, society or group, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject). Dodgy reasoning for speedy removals. The Banner talk 16:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. On the other hand, the article names were plainly wrong. This make articles vulnerable. It shouldn't make the articles vulnerable, yet for some odd reason it does. Hence we need to review the article names. I make it my mission to add and improve useful information and to resolve problems, not to get into unnecessary fights. This is why I wanted to think things over a bit. Your input is much appreciated! gidonb (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK I have a plan for VV Goes. Started executing. Meanwhile I'll think about Oss '20. gidonb (talk) 03:22, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, E.M.Gregory!

Leo Barjesteh
Leo (Ferydoun) Barjesteh van Waalwijk van Doorn

Dear Gidon,

You have redirected a page I created and gave it a new name. The person I wrote about has the family name Barjesteh van Waalwijk van Doorn. I have the genealogy in front of me (Kwartierstatenboek 2000, Koninklijk Nederlandsch Genootschap boor Geslacht- en Wapenkunde). Leo and Ferydoun are both first names used by him. You dropped the Barjesteh part and that is his male line, and therefore has preference above the other names. Could you please restore the page to its former edition?

Thanks,

Hassan Darakehi (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)Hassan


 * Changed the name accordingly. So what is Ferydoun? An alias? What is this person's legal name and what is his common name? gidonb (talk) 22:57, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Elsewhere it says L.A. In order to sort this out, can you also tell me which name is represented by the letter A? gidonb (talk)
 * What is this person's date and location of birth. With the genealogical documents in front of you, you should be able to add that detail. gidonb (talk) 23:39, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Agggghh, I am a beginner in this. I just had typed a lot of info … in short: the Kwartierstatenboek on page 73 gives as Christian names: Leonardus Alexander Ferydoun, and as family name: Barjesteh van Waalwijk van Doorn, which is consistent with his genealogy. It also give place and date of birth which I will add. Thank you! Hassan Darakehi (talk)Hassan —Preceding undated comment added 23:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hassan Darakehi|Hassan, NP. What is the rest of the birth date? It should be in there. Has a Persian father and a Dutch mother? Can you correct all cited article titles? Cookies is not a title! gidonb (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, Persian father and Dutch mother. The Kwartierstatenboek gives a very elaborate genealogy, but of course that is to be expected from a genealogist …. Hassan Darakehi (talk)Hassan —Preceding undated comment added 00:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! What is the rest of the birth date? gidonb (talk) 00:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you add real titles for the two below? Pub dates for all? Author names? gidonb (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * "Cookies op ed.nl - ed.nl". www.ed.nl.
 * "Artikelen". www.ngv.nl.

Shabir Isoufi
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Shabir Isoufi, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. GiantSnowman 07:34, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So you removed my change, then re-entered it, but left this unnecessary message? Not the best sequence. Nevertheless I know you as someone who makes a positive contribution to Wikipedia. Just be careful with the buttons and when you undo your changes, please undo all of them. gidonb (talk) 13:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for comment of Israeli neighborhoods
I have opened an RFC for several of the Israeli cities that I think are un-encyclopedic. You were involved in the template's creation. Therefore, I appreciate input from you at that RFC. Thank you. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Notification of RFC of stub articles about Norwegian mountain
I would like to inform you that an an RFC has been opened to discuss what should be done with the stubs of Norwegian mountains. I am posting this notice since you had participated in the AFD for the mountains. Therefore, if you or any interested page stalkers / editors would like to chime in, please make your way to the RFC now. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 01:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

New Page Patrol?
Hi Gidonb,

I've recently been looking for editors to invite to join New Page Patrol, and after reviewing your editing history, I think you would be a good candidate. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; we could use some additional help from an experienced user like yourself.

Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. If you choose to apply, you can drop an application over at WP:PERM/NPR.

Cheers, and hope to see you around, —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  06:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Insertcleverphrasehere, for considering me! I do patrol new pages, although in the past more extensively than at present. If it becomes a focus again, I will join the project! gidonb (talk) 02:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

David Pecker
This

I object! I am *never* known as David Pecker!> Oh, wait, I see what you mean now. As you were... Guy (Help!) 07:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jacob van den Belt
The article Jacob van den Belt has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Natureium (talk) 18:46, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is notable by WP:FOOTYN. Also by WP:GNG. Hence the Prod was removed. Thanks for notifying! gidonb (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Gidonb, Thanks for your kind review of the Associativity-based routing article. I have further improved on the article in providing additional sources (please see article). Also, I think the related protocol extension work must be added since they are closely related to the article. It was previously removed without explanation. The previous industry writeup can be removed since there is no direct sources to this protocol. But the TRW work has a formal source (report) on this protocol, which I had found on the web and added to it. Hope you and others will agree with me on making the article more completed. Thank you. Abr1993 (talk) 18:54, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Lola Lennox
Hi Gidonb, I'd like you to revert your Non Admin close of Articles for deletion/Lola Lennox. There was no clear consensus for Keep. Whilst the headcount was ahead 4-2 afds are not decided that way, they are decided by the arguments. "Weak keep" per policy is not a strong argument when others go into details. There was only one keep worth considering and that was a from someone with a vested interest who lied about what the sources said. Clearly no consensus, let alone a clear one. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * duffbeerforme, thank you for writing me. I'll examine these comments soon! If justified I'll probably reopen. gidonb (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * duffbeerforme, I double checked and stand behind my decision. Thank you for raising your concerns with me! gidonb (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Lola Lennox. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

The Munsif Daily
You've been here for long enough and have some stellar contributions.So, please read WP:AADD, as to participating in AfDs. &#x222F; WBG converse 10:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll take another look. Never a bad idea to refresh one's skills. Thanks also for the compliment! gidonb (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

In the event that you continue your tirade against Waggie's motivation and incompetency across multiple AfDs, despite being asked to tone down your hyperbole, I am willing to drag you to AN, for a review of your behavior.It's ironic that you state Please leave civilized messages at the top of your t/p but indulge in such pathetic behavior over a series of good-faith nominations.If you believe the nominations to be an extremal disgrace, open an AN thread and ask for all to be snow-kept. &#x222F; WBG converse 08:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Jack van den Berg
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jack van den Berg is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Jack van den Berg until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. BlameRuiner (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Gave my opinion. Now it is up to the rest to decide. gidonb (talk) 11:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Jack van den Berg. When you were adding content to the page, you added duplicate arguments to a template which can cause issues with how the template is rendered. In the future, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find these errors as they will display in red at the top of the page. Thanks!  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Zackmann08, fixed. Thank you! gidonb (talk) 05:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Aftermath: result was simple keep. gidonb (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Jan van Raalte
An article you recently created, Jan van Raalte, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I fixed the article. My bad that I did not check the reference that was in the source. Sorry about that! gidonb (talk) 23:35, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

My AfD nominations
Hi there, I wanted to discuss your comments about me at the various AfD discussions. It would seem prudent to "clear the air", so to speak.

Firstly, you seem to be operating under the assumption that everyone sees the same search results you do. This is not the case. It's common knowledge that search engines can vary widely in the results offered even between two browsers on the same exact computer, nevermind in the results offered between users in vastly different countries. Please remember this before suggesting that someone is lazy or stating that they're "blindly nominating" articles even after they've repeatedly stated they performed the reasonable searches outlined in WP:BEFORE.

I'm still really not sure why you continue to make these assertions that I'm not doing anything constructive. I withdrew one nomination because WP:SIGCOV was found that I hadn't seen in my own searches, and I then summarized some of that SIGCOV for the article. On another, I performed the consensus-mandated merge myself. I agree that finding and summarizing new sources isn't as easy as removing content that fails WP:V and WP:PROMO, but removing content like "Deepika has a long tradition of going for bold innovations. It introduced many changes in Malayalam journalism. The following is but a sample of its impressive achievements..." and "Blessed with the lofty vision and the searing perspective of great Oriya litterateur Kalindi Charan Panigrahi and nurtured by the able hands of his illustrious daughter and the state’s first woman Chief Minister Nandini Satpathy]], the paper set out to offer readers a new experience in and taste of reading." is still demonstrably constructive.

Despite your apparent belief to the contrary, I don't believe in nominating a "clearly notable" topic at AfD just to get an article cleaned up. I ask you this, if this was the case, why would I go through clean up these articles before nominating? A few had already been scrubbed, but most hadn't.

I feel I've been polite and professional with you and I assure you that I am listening to your concerns. However, I also want to point out that expecting me to spend time adding sources with passing mentions to articles that I don't feel meet inclusion guidelines (and have yet to be closed at AfD) is not a reasonable expectation.

Thank you for your time and best wishes to you. Waggie (talk) 02:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Virgil Breetveld
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Virgil Breetveld. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. GiantSnowman 12:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It was a constructive edit hence the reversal as vandalism is, ironically, itself vandalism. Please do not use these buttons without reasonable cause. You do this a lot, also with others. Only on this page you have used it twice, the sole person to do so. Also please read WP:OWN as you do not own the articles you have worked on. We all work together on this encyclopedia. gidonb (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

List of islands of Israel
Hi Mr Gidonb. I'm had seen what you did. Good job. So sorry because I was do nothing. After I created that's page, they moved page to Draft. Because many time like that, so... I'm discouraged and I was decide leave English wikipedia, I will never back. You do everything for page List islands of Israel. Thank you ! Hope best thing for you ! God bless you ! Thank you ! Đông Minh (talk) 12:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Đông Minh! Don't give up on us yet! Just stick at least one reference in each article you create. I hope to see you back here! gidonb (talk) 12:13, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Category:Civil servants by nationality has been nominated for discussion
Category:Civil servants by nationality, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Result was keep. gidonb (talk) 02:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Hans van Houwelingen
Hi Gidonb, Thank you for your help with the article about prof. Van Houwelingen. If I may ask, could you please explain to me why you changed Hans C. van Houwelingen back to Hans van Houwelingen and removed the C. from te name in the info box? Like many scientist, Van Houwelingen is known in academia with the first letter of his middle name. I incidentally left it out when first publishing the page. Examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fellows_of_the_American_Statistical_Association. Thank you in advance, Laurier  (talk) 07:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Thank you so much for creating this article! It's a good addition to en.wiki. The article was moved per common name although there are other important reasons why we should not use the name as suggested by you. Common name is a sufficient reason. It is evident that this academic is known as Hans van Houwelingen from the current references that you added and from the bulk of other sources on the web. For example, there is a Hans van Houwelingen Award in honor of this scholar. Not a Hans C. Van Houwelingen Award. Your argument above is an other stuff exists argument which we reject at Wikipedia. Some of the other cases should have a middle initial, many should not, and we do not want to copy mistakes from one article to another! Rather we look at every case by itself and do not use other Wikipedia articles as a reference for anything. gidonb (talk) 23:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Gidonb, thank you for your reply. I never heard of 'common name' and 'other stuff exists argument', and will try to find information about that. I plan to translate the article to Dutch soon, but there already is a Hans van Houwelingen in the Wikipedia in Dutch, who is an artist. Do you have any suggestions? Laurier  (talk) 07:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


 * With some help, I found the information about common names and  other stuff exists argument.  Laurier  (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Anytime. Thanks for the updates. Good luck with nl.wiki gidonb (talk) 15:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)