User talk:Gilabrand/Archive 4

Thanks for Bethlehem work Hi I just wanted to stop by and say thank you for your efforts in copyediting the Bethlehem article. I'm trying to improve it for GA status,per it being the Collaboration of the Week for Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine. --Al Ameer son (talk) 09:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Award for your great photographic work The da Vinci Barnstar This award is given to User:Gilabrand in recognition of all your imaginative and original photographs related to topics about Israel and Judaism, as can be seen on your user page. In particular, I was impressed by how many of these photographs enhance so many articles about people, places and things in Israel. Mazal Tov and may you be blessed to continue contributing to Wikipedia in this productive fashion for a long time to come. See Wikipedia:Barnstars: "The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Wikipedia through their technical work..." and you most certainly deserve it. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Izak, for that very heartwarming award. That someone has noticed my contributions and sees them as noteworthy makes all the hard work worthwhile.--Gilabrand (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC) Hi Gila: Yes, you make beautiful art and I appreciate it as I am sure many others do. Best wishes, IZAK (talk) 09:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC) Hi Gila: It's agood idea to have page for awards and barnstars, like so: User:Gilabrand/Awards and barnstars which you can place at the tope of this talk page where others can see it or on your main user page if you wish. Thanks again, IZAK (talk) 08:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide Peres' denial of the genocide should be noted in this article, failing to do so makes it more of a hagiography than a biography. His shortcomings must also be mentioned in addition to his feats like winning the noble prize. Do you think it'd fit better in political views? In anycase it must, and will, be mentioned somewhere. How about adding this in his political views segment:

Peres' foreign policy outlook is markedly realist. For example, to placate Turkey, the only significant Muslim country in the region that is friendly towards Israel, Peres has explicity denied the Armenian genocide, which caused an uproar among genocide scholars.(citation) E10ddie (talk) 14:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Peres made these statements in 2001, when he was foreign minister. Clearly, he was caving in to Turkish pressure. Israel has very few friends and cannot afford to lose them, so basically it is not free to take the position that would seem to mesh with its outlook and history, which is to recognize that the Armenians were murdered en mass. Now he is president, an honorary position, not a political one, and his "views," whatever they may have been back then, are worth about as much as mine are. I have no problem with mentioning this "view" in the section on his political outlook, but a separate section on this one utterance gives it undue importance and distorts the picture. --Gilabrand (talk) 14:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sumac opening sentence I don't know what the right wording is, but do you see the problem with "Sumac (also Rhus) is a genus of approximately 250 species of flowering plants in the family Anacardiaceae"? First of all, there is no reason to italicize Sumac. Secondly, it is not accurate to say "Sumac is a genus" because there is no genus called Sumac (but there is one called Rhus).

I may be too steeped in botanical jargon to easily come up with something which is natural to non-plant-people. But we need to figure out something which (a) works whether people get to this page as Sumac or Rhus (currently, the latter is a redirect to the former; policy would have it the other way around), and (b) doesn't mix up scientific names versus common names in a confusing way. Kingdon (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not a botanist and my reason for reading the article was because of the spice, which is used all over the Middle East. I was surprised that the spice didn't rate a mention in the lead. Sumac needs to be the first word in keeping with Wikipedia norms, and the same as the title of the article (i.e., not plural). How about: "Sumac refers to a variety of shrubs or small trees of the genus Rhus, as well as the purplish spice that is produced from its dried, crushed berries --Gilabrand (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC) Looks like Richard New Forest (talk · contribs) has solved it for us (I'm happy with his wording). As for "first word", Wikipedia policy isn't quite that strict ("earliest natural point in the prose" at Wikipedia:Lead section#Bold title and I don't know whether a plural fits under "slightly different form" or not). Anyway, enough wikilawyering. As for why the spice wasn't at the start, the plant is very common in North America in the wild, roadsides, gardens, etc, but the spice is pretty much unheard of. So giving it greater prominence is probably good (although I suspect whatever we do will look slightly strange to some audience). One last comment: Firefox has a hard time editing big pages, so it would be convenient if you archived it, for example by enabling one of the bots on that page. Kingdon (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC) Oh no, all that archiving business is way too complicated for me! Is there a simple way to do it, while saving the Barnstars, for instance, in a visible place?--Gilabrand (talk) 18:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tu Bishvat Since I'm an editor of this article, I'm bringing in a third-pary administrator to take a look at this. I want to make it clear that my difficulty here isn't with the content you added, it's with the content you removed. As I see it, by removing all mention of the contemporary role of Tu Bishvat as a cutoff date for purposes of Orlah you (a) completely removed all content on, including mention of the very existence of, a very significat viewpoint that you happen to disagree with (this is my primary concern). In addition, you (b) rewrite the article from your own point of view when there are muliple points of view which qualify for representation under Wikipedia policies. The 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia explained why it called Orthodox Judaism "ancient Judaism" (because it regarded it as a viewpoint with no contemporary relevance which would soon disappear); contemporary Orthodox Jews don't take very well to having their contemporary practices mischaracterized as being only ancient history. P.S. This is also the first time anyone's called me a "black-hatter". Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if you don't like my editing of the article. You are welcome to add sections that you think are relevant, but on the whole, it was badly written and organized, and overly verbose. I did not call YOU a black-hatter. The comment about Tu Bishvat customs being an inventions of Zionist heretics spurred that response. It seemed to me that you made all the revisions in response to this one person's inane comment. Respecting sensibilities of anti-Zionists is fine, but not if it turns an article about a holiday into a mishmash that nobody else but yeshiva-educated people can understand (which happens to be incredibly widespread on Wikipedia)--Gilabrand (talk) 12:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Music of Israel Thank you for your many excellent edits of Music of Israel. They have definitely sharpened up the article.

I do, however, take issue, with your excision of the words of "Eliphelet". You are wrong in your comment that it is not any more notable than "a million others". On the contrary, the song has been the subject of quite a bit of discussion and even opposition, and epitomizes the melancholy, almost pacifistic, tendency of some Israeli war songs.

I respect your opinion, so I am consulting with you before restoring it. --Ravpapa (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ravpapa, thanks for that. About Eliphelet, my reason for removing the lyrics is not that I have anything against the song, but that the translation into English is very poor and those particular verses don't seem to convey the sentiments you are talking about. Rather than being pacifistic, my sense, from these lyrics, is that he is kind of a pathetic, wimpy creature, and in the context of this article, I thought it was weird. But of course, that's only my opinion and I could be wrong. The article itself has become quite interesting, by the way. --Gilabrand (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gilo Hello, I saw your edit on the Pisgat Ze'ev article and was wondering if you might be able to help me with a similar edit being made by the same person on the Gilo article, as I'm not sure what the right way to do things here is. Thank you. --Robert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.125.218 (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering why you reverted my edit on the page on Gilo. You removed many usefull additions including the discourse on the contetious legal issues as well as replaced new sources with old partisan sources and removed any mention of the rest of the worlds view and stance that it is an Israeli Settlement. Are we only allowed to tell one side of the story? Hardly sounds NPOV to me. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 06:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I did not remove sources, but moved them to the bottom until they can be properly incorporated. There is more to a neighborhood (any neighborhood) than politics. Undue weight was being given here to that. The article definitely needs further work, but at the moment, I think I have introduced a somewhat more balanced picture. I'm not sure you understand the complexity of the issue, from your insistence on labels. Labels are for cans.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC) If you didn't remove the sources, i'm not sure where they've gone. Because they are completely absent from your revisions. You really dont think it is worth mentioning at all that there is a very contentious legal debate over the areas existence? Mentioning that hardly gives it undue weight, rather only mentioning the view of the Israeli Government is giving undue weight to that viewpoint. I agree the article needs furthert work, but every attempt i have made to further neutralise the point ov view it takes has been completely removed and replaced with simply the view of the Israeli Government. I certainly understand the complexity of this issue, which is why I think it is so important to note that complexity in the article. My only instance for labels are the two that take the most NPOV stance. When you consider one is the view of the entire world and one is the view of one government, Israeli Settlement is the most NPOV label. As the term 'neighborhood' is being used in this sense not just to imply legality but also a peaceful and friendly place, Suburb is a more neutral noun, wouldn't you agree? Colourinthemeaning (talk) 07:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC) You are right that various positions should be mentioned, and I have added some info to make it clearer. But I think you are mistaken in reading all kinds of connotations into the word "neighborhood." A neighborhood is is NOT a political term. There are Arab neighborhoods and Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, and there is nothing political about that. I'm not sure Gilo qualifies as a suburb, since it located in the middle of Jerusalem (as opposed to Mevasseret Zion, for example, which is outside the municipal boundaries). Actually, Gilo is very peaceful and friendly. The shooting stopped long ago, and there was never any war-like atmosphere, either before that or since. All the articles cited here, including those that describe Gilo as a settlement, emphasize that there was no tension between Gilo and Beit Jalla before the Tanzim stepped in. --Gilabrand (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC) You have added 'which claim it is a settlement' but have given no background as to why - and your positioning of the viewpoint there serves to minimize it as it is certainly not just Palestinians and media watch groups who claim it to be a settlement - but also the UN, European Union, and many other organisations. The term neighborhood might not inherently be a political term, but it is being used in this sence as one, to imply legality and a long history. Cant we even mention that this place happens to be located in the West Bank? That is after all, what makes it a settlement and not its location within or outside the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem. I have no doubt that Gilo is a very friendly and peaceful place for those that live there, but then how many palestinians (or anyone that isnt Israeli for that matter) live in Gilo? If you take a look at the page on Israeli Settlements it states that they are 'communities inhabited by Israelis in territory that were occupied during the 1967 Six-Day War'. Do you deny Gilo is an Israeli Settlement by this definition? Colourinthemeaning (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Found a few more problems with your revisions. You removed a citation that used census data from 2005 and replaced it with one from 2000. It also seems like you have removed lots of sources you didn't agree with and replaced it with completely different (and in some cases opposing) information for which you have provided no sources. Can you please try and explain how these are improvements? The one UN link you actually did add states quite clearly it is a Settlement - don't you think we should mention that? Colourinthemeaning (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Also, please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Gilo. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.

If there is edit warring, it started long before I ever touched this page - I will continue to edit it as I see fit. I am not an unidentified UFO, like most of the others who are "contributing" to this page. I have a long history of improving articles on Wikipedia, and I will continue to do so. If anyone is going to get blocked, it won't be me. So please don't threaten me. --Gilabrand (talk) 10:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Please make sure you familiarize yourself with the Three-Revert Rule as this is what i was pertaining to. I fail to see how censoring out the 'other' side of the story is at all improving articles, unless your idea of improving articles is ensuring they tow the official Israeli Government's position, and that position only. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC) I have added information to the article on the points you have raised. I have copyedited the poor prose. I have added images that illustrate the text. What is your problem??--Gilabrand (talk) 10:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC) My problems: 1. You are still minimising the view that it is a settlement by insinuating that only Palestinians and media watch groups consider it a settlement when you state that: 'This drew criticism from Palestinians as well as media watch groups, which claim it is a settlement.' 2. You have still not included any information on the fact that the United Nations and European Union view it as a settlement or 3. WHY it is considered a settlement by them. 4. You have used the united states claim which is outdated and no longer indicative of their foreign policy. 5. As i have expressed time and time again, the term neighborhood is an emotive word, Suburb would be a better title as Gilo IS a residential development on the outskirts of Jerusalem. 6. You havent answered my question as to whether you deny Gilo is an Israeli Settlement by this definion, which i am interested in hearing the answer of because I believe it is important to mention that it is BOTH a Settlement and a Suburb (or neighborhood if you MUST) in the opening sentence as both terms certainly apply. So i am really hoping we can agree that it is both, i am happy to compramise on the term 'neighborhood' as long as it is not used exclusively and as long as its nature as a settlement as well as a neighborhood is determined in the opening sentence. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 11:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC) And for the rest of my problems, please see Talk:Gilo. Colourinthemeaning (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Succade Succade is a name, the others are dicriptions, so I suggest merging them all into Succade. The name originated in German and has nothing to do with the Jewish costume, neither with wikiproject judaizm. It is a clean fruit and food article. Critisizer (talk) 02:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] gilo article I have taken note of your advice on the preview button and will try to do better. At the moment, though, Gilo has become a veritable battleground with some editor who is systematically reverting the information I have added to the article with sources. This person has demanded certain additions to the article to represent the Palestinian view, which I have complied with, but he/she continues on his/her merry way. Maybe you could have a look? Thanks.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Try a listing at WP:3O or WP:RFC. Stifle (talk) 09:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC) I've had a go at combining the two versions. I have to say that I believe the current intro is a better explanation of the situation. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving Hi Gila: I pasted a copy of the "User:Gilabrand/Awards and barnstars" at the top of this page. It's simple. You should also consider archiving parts of your talk page that you don't need any more. An average page should be about 35-50k, and this one is already at 145k long (it says so at the very top), as each page is "read" for its length automatically and when it reaches more than 35k it lets you know. Anyhow, I have set up your first three archive pages on top, just follow that in the future. The simplest way to archive is to copy what you want to archive, delete it from this page and then paste it into the new "red link" archive page. Hope this helps. Be well, IZAK (talk) 09:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

You're a doll. Thanks for the help. Is there a way to keep the barnstar page open so the awards are visible?--Gilabrand (talk) 09:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photographer's Barnstar The Photographer's Barnstar I hereby award you The Photographer's Barnstar for the beautiful photos of Israel and Jewish stuff you have taken and graced Wikipedia with! I had noticed your contrbution way back in July 2007! The one of the Dome of the Rock viewed through the Cotton Merchants Gate (right) is my favourite! Happy snapping! Chesdovi (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Chesdovi, thank you. I am very touched by the award and the recognition. Digital photography has added a whole new dimension to my life.--Gilabrand (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Etrog So keep the text and replace with non-advertisment sources. BriefError (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a reference to the custom of pickling or candying etrog on the Tu Bishvat page, if you want to copy and paste it.--Gilabrand (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Thank you very much for the advise, but instead of deleting the text YOU should have do it. BriefError (talk) 17:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jaffa That figure looks ill-placed in that it appears to refer to all Palestine production. The al-Banna family had 24 sq.kilometres of citrus land from Jaffa to Ashkelon, and he exported some 10% of Palestine's total crop to Europe. Nishidani (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tomb of Samuel Please explain why you reverted that article to again claim that the Tomb is "in Israel," when it is in territory seized by Israel from Jordan in 1967 and regarded as occupied Palestinian territory by most reliable sources up to and including the International Court of Justice. See Talk:Tomb of Samuel.  18:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC) Hello, I'm having trouble with the argument about the Jerusalem places here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gilo and colour has pretty much reverted to calling me names like "nationalist" or "vandal" now that I've shown that his own source, Peace Now, uses the word neighborhood and that there is no support anywhere for his argument that "neighborhood" is disputed, as if Maale Adummim can't be both a settlement and a city. Perhaps you have a different argument that might work better? --Robertert (talk) 08:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Red links FYI, red links are not evil, and are actually encouraged on Wikipedia as long as they link to notable and relevant topics. See Wikipedia:Red link. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what article you are referring to, but in most cases the red links I removed are about people whose names are mentioned in passing and will probably not have a page about them anytime soon. I think they are disturbing to the eye, as they draw attention away from the important things in the article, and I will continue to remove them. When a relevant article is written, they can be restored.--Gilabrand (talk) 21:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Newspapers.jpg listed for deletion An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Newspapers.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Haaretz Hi. Would you take a look at some of the recent edits concerning the editorial view of Haaretz and the discussion concerning the sources at Talk:Haaretz. Since you're a regular contributor to the article, I'd appreciate your views on the matter. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ISCAR Metalworking article Gilabrand, fyi, I reverted your latest change on the ISCAR Metalworking article with an explanation on its talk page.Mirboj (talk) 11:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hat The Original Barnstar For your work on Hat, I hereby award you this barnstar. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully for every spoken "thank you" there are a hundred unspoken ones. Keep up the great work. →Wordbuilder (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing restrictions Hi. Please refer to this notice. Thanks. בברכה, El_C 07:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Please present your position and any suggestions on how to solve the dispute here. El_C 10:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shimon Peres Hi. I have had a peer review carried out on this article, and saw that you have been active in editing it. I think we should work to get it up to at least a GA and any help would be really appreciated. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 16:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] San Simon Done - see San Simon. I've linked the neighbourhood as San Simon, Jerusalem. пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Haredi Jew Why have you removed the Haredi Jew image? It went rather nicely there, I thought. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It is not clear or well composed. Technically, David Shankbone's photo is far superior. I'm sure there are better images of Haredi Jews in the commons.--Gilabrand (talk) 10:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC) I believe that current practice is to find a better image, and then remove the old one? :P In any case, I can't find any. I'll take a quick look through flickr now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pitom Ve-Ramses Hey, the source you requested is there. If you think anything else is not accurate you may request sources, but please note that not everything you didn't hear of means it is not correct. - CitricAsset (talk) 04:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a glance at the "diagram" of an etrog's "anatomy" that you introduced is enough to show that you don't have a clue. The terms are "oketz" and "hotam" - not "uketz" and "hotem." The English is also substandard. My attempts were to make the article sound more professional. If you insist on making it sound idiotic, be my guest.--Gilabrand (talk) 05:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish/Israeli Foods I see you've been helping to revert the recent removals of Jewish & Israeli references from Za'atar and Lentil soup. There is currently a RfC on the TALK page belonging to Hummus that seeks to resolve a similar situation that occurred there. An edit war broke out there a few days ago over the inclusion of Jewish and Israeli terms and categories. Your opinion and input would be greately appreciated on this RfC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hummus#RfC

Thanks! -- Nsaum75 (talk) 06:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Every food article (and Jerusalem neighborhood article) I have contributed to - I have done major editing, brought photos, added historical information, found solid sources, etc. - has been blanket reverted. I wrote to Neil, supposedly an administrator, (see his user page) who laughed me off with a snide comment. There are people on here who are demonstrating a new technique for dominating the world. From the nasty responses I have received in my attempts to restore information, I see my input is not wanted. It is painful and sad that ignoramuses are taking over Wikipedia, but there is little that can be done when "administrators" say the argument is "lame" and dismiss it with a wave of their hand.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC) I'm about to post a photo to Za'atar. I took a photo of a bottle of Za'atar that is labeled in English & Hebrew "Hyssop Za'atar". Maybe this will help back up the references listed that say Za'atar is made from Hyssop and they will stop deleting it. Then again, it might just be wishful thinking. -- Nsaum75 (talk) 21:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Yesterday I made a request for assistance on the WP:Administrator page regarding Za'atar, but never heard anything back. So this morning I created a RfC as well as a notice in WikiProject: Israel, at least to give everyone a fair chance to comment (whether they choose comment or just keep reverting the page to however, is another thing). So just now I requested semi-protection of the page. Maybe the Admins will help finally help. Nsaum75 (talk) 18:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC) We are working towards compromise on Za'atar. It would be helpful if you participated on the talkpage rather than reverting the article to your preferred version. Further, please take some care to use edit summaries to actually summarize your edits, and not to engage in taunting or aggressive pointing or threats. It will be necessary to deescalate to make progress. Jd2718 (talk) 06:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC) (undent)Thank you for tempering your edit summaries. Please consider bringing your objections to the talk page. I can't say everybody likes each other, but now we do have some possibility of discussion. Let's take advantage of it. Jd2718 (talk) 11:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

JD, I don't know who you are, but if you think you are "making peace," you are mistaken. You are caving in to the hijackers. I introduced sourced information to this article that you automatically removed as if it were controversial. Since when is adding historical information that comes with a source controversial? Apparently only if the word Jew or Israel appears in it. Some editors have introducted OR and anecdotal evidence for the history, usage and healing properties of Za'atar. It is sad that any attempts to fill out an article that was unreferenced and poorly written are promptly removed to appease vandals, sock puppets and racists.-Gilabrand (talk) 14:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC) (one week later) Gilabrand, I've brought Maimonedes back to the za'atar article. I hope you can take a look. I've also asked HG, an editor with a well-deserved reputation for balance and fairness to take a look at the cultural borrowing bit. I respect HG's opinion and am anxious to see what it is in this instance. Jd2718 (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Named refs Hi,

I'm not the first one to say it, but thanks a lot for your relentless improvements to articles about Israel!

I noticed that you added new footnotes to the Amirim article. When you use the same source more than once as a footnote, you should write the footnote content only once and give it a name. See what i did there at Amirim.

For more information see WP:FOOT. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, Amir. Formatting footnotes has never been my strong point. Good to have you around to fix things up.--Gilabrand (talk) 18:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Falafel Greetings,

As you were one of two users edit warring over the "History" section of Falafel, I would like to ask you to PLEASE come to the talk page and Workshop page. I'd rather see a consensus article and see the page unlocked, than let it sit the whole time and just see edit warring resume.

Thanks, M1rth (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Whatever I had to say, I've already said it on the Falafel talk page. I stand by my edits and I think my reasons for making them are very clear. --Gilabrand (talk) 19:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)