User talk:Gilgamesh~enwiki/Archive 10

Okina Debate, again
Right now, there is a debate and a bit of a revert war on the Talk:Hawaii over the okina issue. I know in previous discussions you had a very strong opinion on the topic, so I thought I'd ask if you had anything you wanted to contribute to the discussion. Thanks! 青い(Aoi) 19:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for sharing your view on the talk page. It's much appreciated! 青い(Aoi) 02:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this cheers you up a little bit:
 * You wrote: "The U.S. government registry for place names does not keep records for diacritics or any letters outside the 26 conventional letters of the modern Latin alphabet"

This seems to be changing. Check these records of the GNIS:
 * Waialeale
 * Puuōō
 * Kapiolani Park Beach Center
 * Koolau Range
 * Island of Hawaii

According to the Principles, Policies, and Procedures: Domestic Geographic Names the Decision (see APPENDIX B.--Terms and Definitions) makes the Feature name official. I found a lot of these decisions, and they all seem to be made after the year 1999. Although the POLICY VI: USE OF DIACRITICAL MARKS doesn't mention Hawaii or Hawaiian, by means of the decision process ("...each name will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis ...") the acceptance of okina and kahakō is increasing. The importance of the BGN could be a good reason for including these decisions in en:Wikipedia policies. --ThT 16:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Arabic and Hebrew letters templates
It seems that at some point you created a lot of templates for the various Arabic letters. Subsequently, a lot of these templates were moved from their original location to a second location, creating a lot of redirects. Neither the templates or the redirects have any transclusions or links to them; would you object to me deleting them (listed below)? Cheers. --MZMcBride 05:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[SNIP]-Gilgamesh 20:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah, I don't mind. That's when I went through my logical phase where I thought that it was practical for linguistics to be micromanaged, especially to make right-to-left text easier to edit in left-to-right browser text areas.  Nowadays I just edit in an external editor better suited for it. - Gilgamesh 05:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I've stumbled upon the Hebrew templates. Would you have any objection to deleting those templates as well (listed below)? Also, are there any other languages in a similar situation? Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[SNIP]-Gilgamesh 20:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If nothing links to them, then go ahead. - Gilgamesh 22:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This list came from a generated list of transclusion-less templates, so rest assured, none of them have uses. Though, I will double check all of the links to make sure. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

re:Category:Wikipedians on the autism spectrum in Category:Wikipedians by physiological condition
Why did you remove that before? Do you not understand that autism is first a physiological condition? It affects brain development, and sometimes there are issues like head size, etc. Its mental manifestations are only one area that is effected. There are also fundamental cognative ability differences, motor function differences, etc. As autism is deeply physioneurological, it is not something that can be treated with mere psychiatry and cannot be passed off as a mere mental issue. There is no cure for how a person is born. - Gilgamesh 09:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the autism categories from the physiological conditions for three reasons: 1) they were categorized under both physiological and psychological, when they should have been one or the other, not both; 2) The physiological condition cat was intended for conditions such as blindness, deafness, or other physical conditions, whereas Autism is primarily a psychological condition (although there is a physiological component at work as well), and 3) all three of the autism subcats were assigned to no fewer than four parent categories, which was asinine. I eliminated the extreme overcategorization when the autism category was nominated for deletion on 2 July 2007; the archived UCFD discussion is User categories for discussion/Archive/July 2007. I chose to go with mental rather than physiological because there are psychiatric and psychological therapies for some forms of autism, something that is not true of color blindness or some of the other conditions that previously existed in Category:Wikipedians by physiological condition(which has been cleared by multiple UCFD's). Horologium t-c 23:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But autism in an individual isn't curable. There are physical symptoms that never go away, and continue to affect life, work and play. - Gilgamesh 00:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hence my use of the word therapies. One of my mother's (mental health) patients is autistic, in addition to other issues for which he receives treatment; while he can't be cured, the treatment he receives from my mother (and the medication he is prescribed by his psychiatrist) allows him to participate in activities that he would not otherwise be able to enjoy. He lives on his own and holds a job, neither of which would be likely without treatment. Horologium t-c 00:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hm... - Gilgamesh 02:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Wild arms 2 profile tim.gif
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Wild arms 2 profile tim.gif. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

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 * Instead of spamming your talk page, you also need to look at the following images you uploaded.


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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Wild arms 2 profile anastasia.gif)
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[SNIP]-Gilgamesh 20:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Wild Arms 2 characters
I believe you have a misunderstanding of the situation. is not a bot, but rather a respected user with broad community trust on the topic of fair use policy. is a bot, but it does not edit articles, but rather simply tags images for review by administrators and notifies the uploaders of the tag. Vassyana 00:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[SNIP]-Gilgamesh 20:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

learnportuguese
I am really interested in the Portuguese language. I thought I'd try to find other users who were also. Just put a watch on my user page, and it'll automatically watch my talk page too. Have fun! :) learnportuguese 20:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are still here...
A reminder:
 * I'm more studied in Tiberian Hebrew, to be truthful. Tiberian Hebrew and Standard Hebrew do have a lot of subtle irregular mutual differences that creep up on me all the time, so a confusion like this is an easy mistake to make. For the most prominent example I've seen of the differences, see the names for the vowels in niqqud, and how different they are between the vocalizations. (Why in the world did Standard Hebrew do this so much?) - Gilgamesh 22:56, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In partial reply to your question (Why in the world did Standard Hebrew do this so much?) the answer is: it is now a living - as opposed to dead - language. For example the letter 'vav' is now pronounced as a 'v' sound, where originally it was pronounced as the 'wow' of Arabic.

Though that is not the only reason. When Eliezer ben Yehuda began renovating Hebrew for modern usage he was ostracized {excommunicated, in fact) by the Orthodox Ashkenazic community in then-Palestine, who for historical reasons had declared Hebrew a sacred language not to be put to mundane use. The Sephardic community had no such inhibitions and had in fact been using Hebrew alongside Ladino (or as they refer to it Judeo-Español) for centuries: as the use of Hebrew became more widespread it was the Sephardic pronunciation that prevailed, even while Ashkenazic pronunciation has more in common with the original, Biblical language.

Hope this helps; I'm not a linguist so you'll have to dig up your own references. Good Luck, Shir-El too 13:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I already understand the Sephardic history of Standard Hebrew. However, Tiberian Hebrew in fact refers to the abstract standardized vocalization of the Masoretic Text in all its medieval conservation.  It is not the same as Ashkenazi Hebrew, which has itself undergone many changes (shift in stress, simplification of consonants, mutation in vowels, etc.).  Ashkenazi, Sephardic and other Hebrew dialects are better understood as traditions preserved in modern times.  Tiberian Hebrew is a classical language, and like many languages (like Classical Arabic, Classical Latin, Classical Greek, etc.), it is still deeply studied on the academic level, but is effectively dead in liturgical use.  What makes it useful is its level of conservative morphemic detail that unites nearly all the surviving dialects.  The way Tiberian is academically transcribed reflects the Masoretic pronunciation of Medieval Tiberias, but most any morpheme transcription can be adapted with a regular pattern changes to any modern dialect's pronunciation.  You could think of it as similar to English spelling, which hasn't been changed much since Middle English many centuries ago, but still forms a standard for writing Standard English that everyone can read and understand, even though many English dialects have diverged so much as to lose much of their mutual intelligibility (I can write to my friend in Shrewsbury, England, but I can't understand a word he says in voice chat).  But whereas English uses standardized Latin alphabet spellings, the Masoretic Text in Tiberias standardized the nequddoth and cantillation marks to stand in for (now abstract but once quite specific) vowel phonemes.  Whether a vowel was long or short depended on stress (where cantillation aided), and on positional context.  I've actually personally devised a simplified academic transcription system for Tiberian Hebrew that clearly indicates long and short vowels, which can also be gleaned to indicate a word's stress without the use of acute diacritics. - Gilgamesh 13:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Fictional volcanoes
Category:Fictional volcanoes has been nominated for deletion; you are invited to participate in the discussion located here. – Black Falcon (Talk) 00:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Laie Hawaii Temple‎
Is there any chance you can lend a helping hand with finding reliable sources for expanding Laie Hawaii Temple? Even if you can point me in the right direction, I would be grateful for your time. I would like to at least bring this article up to B-class. Thanks in advance. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 08:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hawaiian diacritics
Don't know if you've seen this (and you may be sick of it by now), but as a member of WikiProject Hawaii, you might want to comment on the current proposal in the Wikiproject Hawaii MOS ; User:Erudy has posted a "modest proposal" to basically eliminate all diacritics from Hawaiian articles, except for a citation at the beginning. Right now there are only 4 comments, evenly split. As far as I can tell all of those supporting it haven't contributed to Hawaiian articles, so it would be disturbing if they claimed victory when hardly anyone who is actually from or connected to Hawaii has put in their voice. KarlM 12:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Usem@u
Hi, I just noticed that a template you created, Template:Usem@u, is unused and appears to be abandoned. I've marked it as deprecated, meaning it'll be deleted in two weeks' time if nobody objects. If there's a reason to keep it please leave a note at Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates and feel free to remove the deprecated tag from the template. Thanks. Bryan Derksen 09:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I just marked Template:Usemk` similarly. Bryan Derksen 09:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, now that I poke around a bit, I found that there's a whole pile of similar templates listed at User:Woohookitty/U. I sampled a few and they all seem similarly abandoned. I take it you created a whole bunch of these back in the day, would you be averse to me going through them and culling out the unused ones? I don't know what they're for or whether you might have some future use for them so I figured I should check before deleting that much stuff. Bryan Derksen 09:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't mind. I created most of them at a time when I thought that editing needed to be coddled in some ways.  Just direct Unicode is fine now in most cases. - Gilgamesh 11:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, I just came across a similar run of templates you created, listed at User:Woohookitty/S starting at Sem'. A few appear to be in use in old talk archives and such, but otherwise they appear to be orphaned. Shall I subst the few uses of these and delete them too? Please note, I'm not actually delete-happy, I've just been doing a lot of template categorization and so often come across old abandoned templates hidden among the uncategorized masses. If you'd prefer these be kept we can just create a category for them somewhere. Bryan Derksen (talk) 17:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. Same reason as my previous comment. - Gilgamesh (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Cypriot Greek
The article said that doubled consonants are pronounced geminated in Cypriot Greek. What about ζ? Is it pronounced too? - Gilgamesh 22:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes like . I catch myself doing it all the time :) --Kupirijo (talk) 15:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, THANK you. THANK you so much! ^_^ I'll take this to my associated Wiktionary projects immediately. ^_^ - Gilgamesh (talk) 15:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. --Slashme 08:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

IPA templates
Just to let you know, we now have IPA templates: pronEng and IPAEng for English, and pronounced, IPA2 for other languages, which link to help charts for English and general IPA. Some people have been linking Irish names to the Irish phonology article, as with Ciarán. If there's a demand for it, I could make an IPA template specifically for Irish. kwami (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hawaii
There is something weird going on. A new user (since 21 December 2007) seems to attack the Manual of Style by several changes. I reverted one article referring to the GNIS (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style), but I'll be not able to check all the changes this user made. Aloha, --ThT (talk) 01:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I took care of it. I wouldn't expect "Hawaii" itself to have an okina in most articles, but I agree that in geographic articles it should. kwami (talk) 02:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)