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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Big King from Mt Roskill.jpg
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Iceland, categories
Iceland has four volcanic zones: Reykjanes (Mid-Atlantic Ridge), West and North Volcanic Zones (RVZ, WVZ, NVZ) and the East Volcanic Zone (EVZ), (Westman Islands). The Mid-Iceland Belt (MIB) connects them across central Iceland. There are two intraplate belts too (Öræfajökull (ÖVB) and Snæfellsnes (SVB)). There is no South Volcanic Zone !!! ;) --Chris.urs-o (talk) 10:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize, I was going by this map. Could you assist me? - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ohhhhhhhhhhh...I see my error. I'll change South to East. - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

. :) lol --Chris.urs-o (talk) 10:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You mentioned a Mid-Iceland Belt, but it isn't indicated on the map. How is it delineated?  What entries in Category:Iceland West Volcanic Zone, Category:Iceland East Volcanic Zone and Category:Iceland North Volcanic Zone should be considered Mid-Iceland instead?  And...is it a triple junction? - Gilgamesh (talk) 11:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Right, I think it is the bar that connects WVZ to the NVZ/EVZ line. Well, I "translated" the map from the french version. The french version of the map was drawn based on (, page 12), the map on the Surtsey Report is very similar to this one. Thordarson (2007)'s map is based on as well. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have this list (List of volcanoes in Iceland; Volcanic Zone, Volcanic System and Name of central volcano, Thordarson (2007)):

--Chris.urs-o (talk) 11:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) RVZ, Reykjanes/Svartisengi, void
 * 2) RVZ, Krýsuvík, void
 * 3) RVZ, Brennisteinsfjöll, void
 * 4) WVZ, Hengill, Hengill
 * 5) WVZ, Hrómundartindur, void
 * 6) WVZ, Grímsnes, void
 * 7) WVZ, Geysir, void
 * 8) WVZ, Prestahnúkur, Prestahnúkur
 * 9) WVZ, Hveravellir, Hveravellir
 * 10) MIB, Hofsjökull, Hofsjökull/Kerlingarfjöll
 * 11) MIB, Tungnafellsjökull, Tungnafellsjökull/Hágöngur
 * 12) EVZ, Vestmannaeyjar (Westman Islands), void
 * 13) EVZ, Eyjafjallajökull, Eyjafjallajökull
 * 14) EVZ, Katla, Mýrdalsjökull
 * 15) EVZ, Tindfjöll, Tindfjöll
 * 16) EVZ, Hekla-Vatnafjöll, Hekla
 * 17) EVZ, Torfajökull, Torfajökull
 * 18) EVZ, Bárðarbunga-Veidivötn, Bárðarbunga/Hamarinn
 * 19) EVZ, Grímsvötn, Grímsvötn/Thórdarhyrna
 * 20) NVZ, Kverkfjöll, Kverkfjöll
 * 21) NVZ, Askja, Askja
 * 22) NVZ, Fremrinámur, void
 * 23) NVZ, Krafla, Krafla
 * 24) NVZ, Theistareykir, void
 * 25) ÖVB, Öræfajökull, Öræfajökull
 * 26) ÖVB, Esjufjöll, Snæhetta
 * 27) ÖVB, Snæfell, Snæfell
 * 28) SVB, Ljósufjöll, void
 * 29) SVB, Helgrindur (Lýsuskard), void
 * 30) SVB, Snæfellsjökull, Snæfellsjökull

Speedy deletion nomination of Yosha
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"Whoever" vs. "whomever"
Hi, Gilgamesh. I noticed you undid my edit to WikiProject Volcanoes in which I changed "whomever" to "whoever," stating that "whomever" is appropriate after prepositions. This isn't quite the correct rule. The choice between "whoever" and "whomever" has to do with whether the word is being used in a subjective or an objective setting—"whoever" is the subjective form, and "whomever" is the objective form. If the sentence had just been "Barnstar goes to whomever," then you would be correct—"whomever" is in the objective case there, because it is the object of the preposition "to." But the full sentence is "Barnstar goes to whoever can FA the current collab before it runs out!" In this sentence, the word "whoever" functions as the subject of the dependent clause "whoever can FA the current collab before it runs out" (and it is this clause that is the object of the preposition "to"). Since "whoever" is a subject of this clause it should be the subjective "whoever" rather than the objective "whomever." I've changed it back to "whoever." —Bkell (talk) 05:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright... - Gilgamesh (talk) 07:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!
Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and you seemed a very humanitarian person to me so maybe you won't be mad at me and help us... I'm part of an association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Capsot (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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Categories Ketoy & Ekarma
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Kupaianaha
Do you have a reference for the diacritics in Kupaianaha? The Hawaiian dictionary at wehewehe.org lists it with none. KarlM (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hawaii (The Big Island) map. James A. Bier, cartographer.  Published by University of Hawaii Press.  The spelling Kūpaianahā is clearly indicated along with nearby Puu Ōō. - Gilgamesh (talk) 13:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Samogitian language
Hi, I see you flagged the Samogitian language writing system was contradictory. I've made a small change to the article, fixing the only contradiction I could notice and removed the tag. If you feel it is still contradictory, feel free to replace the tag, and place a comment explaining the contradiction on the article talk page. Cheers -- WORM  MЯOW  13:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Abhiram


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Joseph Smith and Communism
Consider this, even if his ideas had some kind of comparison with Communism, Smith was not a direct Communist. No matter what commentary an article writer gives, it is fundamentally important to remember that the Communist Manifesto had not even been written yet (Smith lived about 20 years prior to it), Communist ideas did not even exist largely in the east at this point nevermind the U.S.A. Also communist ideas were somewhat obsecure until long after Marx's death.

So no I dont accept that he was a communist at all. Religious Philosophy and Political Philosophy are distinctly different (I study both), they should not be mistook for each other. Smith's religious philosophy may have been similar to Communism, but, it was by no means political. Routerone (See here!) 16:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is a misunderstanding based on confusion of the political system called Communism with the largely 19th-century phenomenon of Christian communism. See especially the pre-Marx section in Christian communism.  Routerone, the academic community classifies the LDS historical practice of the law of consecration as a (lowercase c) communist system, so that's the applicable terminology even though it obviously makes a lot of LDS people uncomfortable because of the church's 20th-century teachings against (capital C) Communism.  Hope this helps, alanyst /talk/ 17:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone implied here that this form of Christian communism has anything to do with Karl Marx. Marx did not invent socialism&mdash;he just codified a certain atheistic form of it.  There were all sorts of flavors of socialism in the 19th century and before, and many survive in various democratic forms (such as social democracy).  Please read the relevant details at the articles for United Order, Christian communism, and so forth.  As a personal note, I was raised LDS myself, and I've known about socialism in the history of the church for years.  I am, in actuality, a socialist of the social democracy flavor. - Gilgamesh (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * According to EO, the term "socialism" was invented in France in the mid-1830s, and if you look up "communism", you'll see it was also a French term dating to the 1840s. If you're going to call community-focused groups as "communist" or "socialist", you need to make it clear that it's historical retrofitting, and that those terms hadn't been invented yet. It would be a bit like claiming that Julius Caesar was Catholic. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * True, but...there are all sorts of terms today that didn't exist as such in the past, and lots of terms used in the past that are scarce or extinct in usage today. My orthodox understanding of the United Order is that it's a socialist system.  This is the normal way it is described by my LDS family members.  In a broad sense, socialism is a kind of communal structure with many flavors all over the world in many different time periods.  It's where a society manages the community's welfare in a holistic collective manner, providing a safety net in lean times.  That's exactly how the bishop's storehouse was conceived. - Gilgamesh (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lots of early American communities were that way, as a matter of survival. The Amish still operate that way, i.e. working together and "looking out for each other". A better term for that is probably "communalism", since terms like socialism and communism have acquired much more narrow and specific meanings, and the careless use of those terms in articles could be a problem. To head out into left field for a comparison of language evolution, the term "gay" used to mean flamboyant, showy, effeminate, etc., and gradually came to mean specifically homosexual. Another term is "intercourse", which used to be simply a near-synonym for "interaction", but has since acquired a very specific meaning; but the general usage explains the existence of the town of Intercourse, PA... which, appropriately enough, is in or near the Amish region. So we have to be careful about terminology, as the average reader might not understand the subtleties. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And obviously historians retrofit lots of things, except often (though not always) with less politically-charged terminology. The Battle of Hastings is part of the Norman Conquest, but I doubt very much that William I called it that. And World War I wasn't called World War I until World War II came along. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ʻIolani Palace
Do you agree with the recent moves that replace the okina with an apostrophe? Your opinion would be appreciated at the Talk:'Iolani Palace page. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

List of landslides
Gilgamesh - please look at the discussion I started at Talk:List of landslides and join in. Thanks, Argyriou (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Brock Samson for deletion
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 * if you have the time, could you clarify if by "Hawaiian English" you really meant Hawaiian Pidgin (Hawaiian Creole English) which is where Hawaiian English goes, or as I suspect you meant "typography of Hawaiian language inteneded for English speakers" (e.g. with 'okina and kahko? Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The latter &mdash; typography. - Gilgamesh (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion
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ga'ya → gaya
why? Dan ☺ 01:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, I had this discussion awhile back when it comes to Hebrew romanization. If you're transcribing the ayin as a voiced pharyngeal fricative, you use ʻ rather than a normal apostrophe. But it's already silent in Modern Hebrew, and only written before vowels as a syllable break &mdash; before consonants or at the beginnings or ends of words, you don't romanize it at all. ...it seems logical. - Gilgamesh (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but isn't this more a transliteration than a pronunciation transcription? And on the other hand, the modern Hebrew pronunciation of the ayin in this case actually isn't silent, but an /a/, phonemically I'd transcribe the word . Just "gaya" seems unsatisfying both ways. Dan ☺ 14:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Then "ga'ya" was inaccurate. If it's actually three syllables, it's "ga'aya". - Gilgamesh (talk) 19:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all in the twilight zone between linguistic prescription, speakers' perception induced by it, and reality. Ayin and alef are often realized as syllabic vowels without consonants like or . Some words are prescribed as standard with  or  followed by no vowel, sometimes because a subsequent vowel would cause contradictions in prescribed rules, e.g.


 * {|class=wikitable style="white-space:nowrap; text-align:center"

!colspan=2|prescription!!colspan=2|reality!!colspan=2|subsequent vowel would necessitate
 * ||מַעְבָּרוֹת||||מַעֲבָּרוֹת||||מַעֲבָרוֹת*
 * ||הֶעְפִּיל||||הֶעֱפִּיל||||הֶעֱפִיל*
 * ||רִאְיֵן||||רִאֲיֵן||colspan=2|I don't even know
 * }
 * Dan ☺ 21:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh and yes, although is the way most Israelis pronounce the word, "ga'aya" is how most would transliterate it, just as  is transliterated "Ma'abarot" here. The apostrophe transliterates the graphemes alef and ayin but phonetically (in reality) usually signifies the null onset of a syllable. The standard vowel pointing of our word is "גַּעְיָא", so:
 * "gaʿyá" transliterates the (prescribed) standard most accurately, whereas
 * "ga'aya" is the way most Israelis would describe their (non standard) pronunciation in English letters.
 * So what's your choice? Dan ☺ 23:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "gaʿyá" transliterates the (prescribed) standard most accurately, whereas
 * "ga'aya" is the way most Israelis would describe their (non standard) pronunciation in English letters.
 * So what's your choice? Dan ☺ 23:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

My choice would be the less convoluted option. - Gilgamesh (talk) 02:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well since modern pronunciation isn't central here, I'd choose "ga'ya", a crude but sufficient graphemic transliteration which also alludes to the word's prescribed pronunciation. Or "gaʿyá", for more precision. Dan ☺ 22:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Family Research Council
Someone restarted the straw poll re: including the SPLC's characterization in the lead. You are getting this because you participated in the last poll. Please see Talk:Family Research Council to give your input on its inclusion. WMO 05:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)