User talk:GimliDotNet/Archives/2014/June

Article about Amrod and Amras (Tolkien)
You keep reverting those two articles to the previous wrong versions with no reason. This is not something that needs to be discussed or in which consensus must be reached. It's as simple as reading Tolkien's sources, and there's no ambiguity there. In The Shibboleth of Feanor, the section about the shipburning in Losgar is titled "the legend of the fate of AMROD", so such confusion is only possible for someone who hasn't read Tolkien's texts and is simply copying from other, unqualified Internet sources. In a note to that same text is said that Ambarussa, the elder twin, is Sindarized as Amros in this version (instead of the usual name Amras), so it's clear that Ambarussa (the elder twin who survived) = Amros = Amras. The journal Vinyar Tengwar no. 41 published further notes on The Shibboleth of Fëanor which say unambiguously that "Ambarto" is Sindarized as "Amrod" (I actually gave that reference in the article about Amrod). The discussion in Tolkien Gateway is relevant here, since this wiki article is an obvious copy-paste of the other. So I would appreciate that, before reverting to earlier versions, you took at least a minute to check The Peoples of Middle-earth and the journal I cited, where all relevant information is given. The idea that Amras was the one who died in Losgar is pure fanfiction, and lacks references. You won't find anything in Tolkien's texts that supports it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.23.220 (talk) 12:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Bad Faith reply
You posted a link to something that didn't explain why you hadn't undone the reference. I note AGAIN that you haven't taken onboard my comment about the Liberal Democrats using a direct official source to reference their membership number. So I ask you. Why can I not do the same for UKIP? Are they in some way less reliable in your eyes than the source given for the Liberal Democrats membership number?


 * If you follow the link it explains what a reliable source is and why UKIP is not a reliable source. I am also under no WP:OBLIGATION to edit any other articles on the site, why have you not edited them? GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As I said in the link you have posted there. "Please see the discussion at Talk:UK Independence Party about whether academic sources describing the UK Independence Party as far-right are reliable. LordFixit (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)" - You seemingly tried to add a academic research source to highlight UK Independance Party as a far-right party? Correct me if I am wrong?


 * You are wrong, I left an edit asking another user to join an existing debate, at no point did I agree with the assertion, I asked another user to voice their opinion. If you'd care to actually read my edits you would see my only input to the debate was to say we need to go off what reliable, third party sources say not form our own opinions.  GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

You asked me to add a 3rd party source ie: An outside reference. I did such. Yet you again undid my edit. Once again. That is 2 sources, 1 outside source more than the Liberal Democrats Wikipedia page and yet I can't see you taking issue with that? Which makes me wonder whether your issue is with UKIP and not my edit?


 * You are wrong again, I did not undo your edit after you added a third party source, you seem to be having trouble understanding different users work? GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not at all creepy that you are following me around Wikipedia. But seeing as I have explained the above accusation that you have seemingly been caught out trying to edit UKIP as being a Far-Right Party I shall again ask. Is this wrong? Did you or did you not attempt to edit UKIP as being a Far-Right party on Wikipedia citing an "academic source describing the UK Independence Party as a far-right party"?


 * How is this creepy? GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

"Talk:UK_Independence_Party here you will find multiple debates on why UKIP is not a reliable source for their own membership figures." - Thankyou for confirming my suspicion that you, and others like you on Wikipedia have taken it upon yourself to define UKIP as unreliable yourself. Who do you think you are to decide which party is reliable and which is not? ...disgraceful! You should NOT be allowed to edit the pages to which you cannot be unbiased.


 * You clearly struggle to understand how wikipedia works if you think discussing things on a talk page is being biased GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I will continue accusing you of what you have proven yourself to be until you can edit these pages in an objective and unbiased manner. The previously quoted statement has proven that you cannot be trusted to edit this page in particular in an unbiased manner.


 * This makes no sense GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I have attempted to join in discussion but their are obviously allot more anti-UKIP people on the debates section than UKIP supporters. Here in lies the problem! I am not harassing you. You are harassing me! You are the one who has followed me onto other Users Wikipedia pages. You are the one who has followed my legitimate edits on Wikipedia and undone then on very uneven grounds. User:RoverTheBendInSussexPlease avoid the UKIP page as you cannot be considered unbiased]],10 years experience and zero respect ) 01:39, 18 June 2014 (GMT)

Dwalin
Regarding my Dwalin edit: Perhaps I misinterpreted it, but the Dwalin description changed to reference Dain; is this intentional or an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.114.177 (talk) 21:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * That passage was originally a claim that after Thorin's death, Dwalin took over the rule of Thorin's Halls in the *Blue Mountains*. Someone "corrected" that to Lonely Mountain, and someone corrected Dwalin to Dain (making it irrelevant to the entry for Dwalin).  But there's no evidence I know of for the original claim.  LotR seems to indicate that Dwalin settled in the Lonely Mountain after the Battle of Five Armies, not the Blue Mountains. I've removed the passage as irrelevant to Dwalin. -- Elphion (talk) 22:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I see where the mistake originated now, I should have seen the irrelevance, good catch @Elphion GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  05:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)