User talk:Giovannihofmann

Your submission at Articles for creation: Floris Visser has been accepted
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Speedy deletion nomination of Floris Visser


A tag has been placed on Floris Visser requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Floris+Visser&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 10:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Copyvio deletion - Floris Visser

 * Hi Giovanni, Greetings to you. Understand that you are upset as you created page has been deleted (Floris Visser) so quickly. Wikipedia considers copyvio as a serious matter as it entails legal implications. Under Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, articles that infringe copyvio would be nominated for speedy deletion. Upon checking there are 3 articles involved which your article seemed to copy from, respectively 85%, 33% and 33% respectively of your article content.  I have only reported the 85% article. I could not read the article now as it is deleted by DGG (admin). You have contested this nomination and sought help on four different talk pages (Floris Visser talk page, Article for Creation Help Desk, Bkissin's talk page and my talk page), for such I will move this conversation and the links to your talk page for consolidating  all the "talks" in one page for DGG to assess and evaluate the validity the copyvio deletion. Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cassiopeia, thanks for moving everything to my own talk page. Now I've got an overview. I was indeed completely surprised by this sudden deletion before I could save anything, while the article (to my great joy and pleasure) got accepted and moved to wikipedia by Bkissin just a few hours before. To my opinion there is no copyvio for 2 reasons: 1. I of course wrote my own article and didn't just copy/paste things. That's why I did such extensive research, which the 78 references/notes/citations demonstrate, and also to prove that the subject was notable, and to ensure a neutral point of view. Of course there will be matches when it comes to birthdates, cities, dates. titles of operas, opera houses, since those are common chronological facts. But all the rest I remember myself vividly constantly searching for my own structure, phrasing and editing, plus I made absolutely sure that all "promotional phrasing" often done by other sources such as managements, opera houses etc. would not become any part of this article to again ensure a complete neutral point of view. The complete structure of the article, the division and headers, the list of works, the sections: CP & artistic director, Recent Work, plus all the translated citations from respected sources such as Opernwelt, Das Operglas are not to comparable to or part of any other article written about the subject. b. The facts about subject's education, and early work for instance are mentioned indeed in the artist's biography on Alferink Artists Management (subject's management worldwide). I specifically asked AAM whether this information was copyright free, so I could use it for my article. Which it was, (which is of course complete logic for it needs to be so constantly for press releases, websites and programs of opera houses all around the world) Now if you want me to prove this, this is fine. But I would have liked to have the chance and the time to do so. The question now is: how do we proceed and can the article at least be saved for further editing? Giovannihofmann (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I shall take a moredetailed look tomorrow, or Wednesday.   DGG ( talk ) 05:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

‘’’’Thank you. Please note that the “by now famous” source of Alferink Artists Management is released under the Creative Commons Zero Waiver. If you have any further comments or wishes/advice for changes on the article please let me know. I just hope we can at least retrieve it for further editing, for I put a lot of work into it.’’’’

Hi, I understand you're very busy with hundreds of articles and other things as well, so I hope you don't mind me asking: but did you already find the time to look into it? Very much looking forward to your reply. All best, Giovannihofmann (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

“”””” dear, I hope you’re well. Did you have the chance to look into the above by now? For as said before - and to my humble opinion by now proven - the copy vio was non-existent and therefor the deletion of the page as well; and I would very much like to move forward and restore the article with your help. Looking forward to your reaction. All best Giovannihofmann (talk) 12:32, 14 June 2018 (UTC)Giovannihofmann
 * I still intend to get to it  DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, here I am at last. As you said, fortunately, the key source has declared itself as CC-0. To use it properly according to our, it needs to have the part quoted indicated exactly, which is a nuisance, so I reworded, and gave a general citation for the paraphrase.

Consider whether the article would read better if only the true highlights were given in the paragraph, to avoid the extensive duplication with the list of operas. Or you could say something like, "in 20xx he conducted operas by A, B and C" leaving the names of the operas for the list. I leave all this to you. If the article is challenged again, let me know.  DGG ( talk ) 07:17, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 DGG ( talk ) 06:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)