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Nomination of 2020 United States Air Force F-15 crash for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2020 United States Air Force F-15 crash is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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Low impact edits
You appear to be doing a lot of editing on articles - mostly election related - that get very, very, little traffic. Some of them average fewer than five visits per day. David notMD (talk) 23:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what this is about...? My editing on those pages is primarily for WikiProject Short Description. Is there something you want want me to change?? I am trying to get into reverting vandalism as well - something which has a bit more impact.
 * I was not challenging what you were doing, per se, but commenting that you may want to consider how to best use your time. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. Now that I have looked at the page views I agree with you. I think I'll spend more time on more important things, like reverting vandalism and improving bigger articles in WPJ Elections & Referendums that actually need work. Anyway, thanks for the advice! :) Giraffer (munch) 09:44, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy editing. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
Hello, I'm Giraffer. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Giraffer (munch) 10:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

New message from Giraffer
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A cheeseburger for you!

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Addition to Wuxing page
Hello, can you help me with how to add citations on the wuxing page please as I am still learning to add content to wiki. Regards🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing (talk) 09:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

, no problem! If it is a website, click on the cite button at the top of the page. They copy and paste the URL into the box that appears. Click generate, and then insert. If it is a book, look for the ISBN number, and then type that into the box, click generate, and then insert. Giraffer (stay home) 09:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Due to the pandemic the web page is down, can we use a Facebook business profile. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , unfortunately not. Facebook is user-generated content and thus unreliable. If you can find another reliable source (a list can be found here), feel free to use it, otherwise you'll need to wait for the website to be put up again. Thanks, Giraffer (stay home) 11:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * It is a non profit business page?. Can we cite this unit the web page is back up and running as we are in Victoria Australia. There is a following of over 30,000 people. Shenqijing (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * You cannot cite Facebook as a reliable source in this case. If there are no other reliable sources, then you will need to wait. Also, is this account being used by more than one person? Giraffer (stay home) 11:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Rollback granted
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Signing guestbooks
Hey there! It looks like I was the first person to sign your guestbook... Anyways keep up the good work. Cheers and best regards, ◊ PRAHLAD balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 03:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

yes yes yes
the current admin dealing with it - has done one already - 11:42, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Giraffer (munch) 11:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Giraffer

 * Thanks for your edits. Good idea to translate Handschriftencensus. It is cited in Philology is all languages as Handschriftencensus, so I have to keep with that, but a clarification of the meaning is certainly appropriate. However "Handschriften" in this context refers to manuscript and not handwriting (although handwriting/ paleography has to do with it, but its a subset of the bigger category manuscript). I changed it to accordingly to "manuscript census". https://www.dict.cc/?s=handschrift
 * Thanks for the ideas and input! Hroberth Dunbar


 * No problem. It was well written for someone who has a COI. I have requested the help of a third editor to take a look just to double check that it is good but otherwise the best of luck for AfC!


 * - On a related note, while the draft is well written, sadly some editors will not accept a COI editor at all, and will disapprove of any and all changes you make. I am personally not one of these editors, but I suggest that after the draft is (hopefully) published, you make a request on the talk page for any (non-minor) changes you want to be made instead of making them yourself. This is just to ensure that your edits are made smoothly with minimal opposition. Again, not my beliefs, but I'm afraid that's just how it is. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 09:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Giraffer, NitroPowerbank here. I saw your message on my Talk Page. May I know which article were you referring to?

Thank You.

--NitroPowerbank (talk) 10:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , sure. It was one of these but I think it was this one . I gave you the warning because you did leave an edit summary explaining what you did but not why.

In most cases explaining what you do is fine, like if you fix a typo or expand a section, but it is best to explain why you do something if it involves removing large quantities of text or sources. Does this answer your question? Giraffer (munch) 10:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I see. I removed the section that I added previously as I realised that the tables I have done have been done by another user and removed by others citing a reason that Wikipedia is not a directory. Therefore, I removed all the tables that I did. --NitroPowerbank (talk) 10:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. It would be best to include that in the summary, like 'removed duplicate' or something. Giraffer (munch) 10:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Understood. Thank you for letting me know. --NitroPowerbank (talk) 10:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Template
Hey Giraffer, thanks for helping out! I put your template onto a separate page User:I-82-I/ubx/mobiletemplate/transclusion so it does not take up too much space. The template, however, still is not fully aligned to the left. If you look at my user page, you will see it is not aligned on the left with the header and the box that says "User". Is there any way this can be done? Thanks!  I-82-I &#124;  TALK  19:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , no problem! I can't do this now but I understand the problem (and will work on it very soon). Will let you know when I'm finished. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 22:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!  I-82-I &#124;  TALK  23:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

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Help with redirect
Hi, I would like to ask your help if this is something you would like to help with.

This page was redirected without prior discussion. Controversial redirect should be moved back to what it was and discussed prior to redirect,.

Statehood for Puerto Rico was moved to 51st state. This is incorrect because the 51st state can be Washington DC if it chooses to or any other place. This is a bad redirect done without discussion or consensus. Please help restore the page to what it was.

The WikiProject Puerto Rico would greatly appreciate your assistance. Regards.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have removed the redirect and copy-pasted the section into the original article. I can't see any article history so I just copy pasted the info from the redirect destination back. I hope this helps. Any more questions just let me know. Giraffer (munch) 12:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I thought you knew how to do this. I don't think copy-pasting is the correct way of doing this because we need to retain the history of the article. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , yeah, I know copy-pasting is less than good not a great option but I read over splitting and that was how it said to do it.


 * Anyway, afterwards I found this, which is probably what you're looking for although it requires admin action:

If a history merge should not have been performed, then it may be undone. Note, however, that it can be quite tedious, especially if the article has a very long history. The following procedure is listed:
 * 1) Suppose A has been history merged into B.
 * 2) We want to get A's former history back into A.
 * 3) Delete B.
 * 4) Selectively undelete the revisions of B that made up the history of A before the history merge.
 * 5) Move B to A.
 * 6) Undelete the rest of the revisions of B.
 * 7) If A and/or B is now a redirect to itself or the other article, then revert or change the redirect target, as deemed appropriate.


 * Can you restore the original article with its history or should I request it somewhere else? Thank you. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am not an admin therefore I cannot. I would probably ask at WP:AN, though. Giraffer (munch) 14:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'lll try here: WP:RM/TR . Thank you. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That too. Giraffer (munch) 14:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Reading further, I think the best option is this one: WP:RFD. Thanks again.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. Giraffer (munch) 16:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Help about an Article
Hello,

I just wanted to know if this article of mine would pass AFC, could you help me with that? Would be really helpful

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thattassery_Koottam Kjsarat (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , the draft has been deleted. I don't know if this was you or not (I'm not an admin so I can't see deleted pages), but I can't help on a deleted draft. If you need any further help, just reply to this. Thanks, Giraffer (munch) 18:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey, So as there were 2 Created, one being an article and another being a draft, and It was my mistake, hence I had nominated the draft for deletion, while I came to know that the article also went for deletion, would be helpful if you could take the link below a glance, and suggest in what to do as the Article was subjected to Deletion by an Admin just because they said, the film is not released hence its like trying for publicity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thattassery_Koottam

Kjsarat (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I agree with Robert McClenon in that you should move the article to draftspace and work on it until it passes WP:GNG and WP:NFF. If it does eventually satisfy those guidelines, then you can move it to mainspace, but until then, it should stay out of it (mainspace). Giraffer (munch) 19:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

But as per “Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.“ The film has had significant coverage of the past month in reliable resources and also, the Production house is a stand alone and notable, so I think it qualifies if I’m not wrong?

Please let me know If I am, as I’m new I’ll really like to understand more and more about wiki and how and what to do and where to do.

Thanks Kjsarat (talk) 02:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , WP:NFF clearly states that the production of the film must be notable itself, if the film is to have an article. This means that the timeline of events leading ip to the movie's filming must be notable themselves. (i.e. Director signing, announcement of cast, announcement of movie, negotiation of contracts). Take a look at Avengers: Endgame. That section in itself fulfills WP:GNG. If the production section of your article can fulfill GNG, than maybe the article will be left alone, but until then, it will most likely be moved to draftspace. Giraffer (munch) 08:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

/* September 2020 */
Hello and thank you for the advice regarding how to properly annotate edits on the page Kilma S. Lattin I am somewhat new to Wikipedia - but want to learn how to do things the right way! I've been notating all edits as you suggested. If you had any advice for how to edit the page so that it meets editorial guidelines so that it may stay on Wikipedia and no longer tagged for deletion, I would appreciate it very much. Is there language that could change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HLMC98 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, and firstly, welcome to Wikipedia! The page has been tagged for 'speedy deletion'. Normally, an article on Wikipedia is deleted via a deletion discussion (commonly abbreviated to XfD) at a page called 'Articles for Deletion' (commonly abbreviated to AfD). Speedy deletion bypasses these discussion, because there is seen to be a very good reason for the page to be deleted - one that is unambiguous and does not require input from any other editors. (Speedy deletion is also known as CSD or SD.)


 * When a page is CSD'd, the big red banner appears at the top of the page. It's pretty wordy, but the most important part is the first paragraph. It lists the reason the page should be deleted, and a number and a letter. The number and letter (in this case G11) refer to what section of the speedy deletion criteria the page is nominated under (in other words the reason for deletion). The criteria is basically a list of valid reasons for a page to be speedily deleted. The criteria your page was nominated under, G11, means that the page is worded in a promotional way, like an advert. To fix this, try to remove/replace any language that could be seen as not adhering to our neutral point of view policy, and remove any unreferenced claims of praise or recognition. I would also recommend clicking the big blue 'Contest this speedy deletion' button and stating that you are currently working to remove any traces of promotion.


 * Hopefully this helps. If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a message here, or ask at the Teahouse!


 * Regards, Giraffer munch 19:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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upon request. — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 17:18, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am in the naughty corner with the fish now. Giraffer munch 17:20, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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Manchu alphabet
Hello Giraffer. I edited Manchu alphabet an hour ago. I am afraid that you mistook me: I did not delete the section "Method of teaching" but moved it after "Alphabet" for my new subsection "Twelve uju", which was based on the article's Chinese counterpart (Section 3. 十二字頭, lit. "Twelve uju").

As a Manchu learner, I feel that the article will present the alphabetic-vs-syllabic argument better if it introduces the traditional concept "uju", through which Manchu people learn Manchu, as well. Since a basic knowledge of the alphabets is needed before discussing "uju", I decided to shift the entire section.

I don't often edit Wikipedia, so I don't know the proper etiquette here. I am sorry for this. --123.203.9.194 (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. I have re-instated your edit. If you need any help with editing just let me know. Regards, Giraffer munch 21:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

RE: Tony Robinson Edits
Hello, you'd made a remark that my edits were not neutral. Without adding in words like "claims" and "allegedly," the article implicitly argues that the officers claims are factual, when that cannot be confirmed. The article, unedited, is therefore heavily biased. This is the justification behind the edits. Thank you.


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We have a manual-of-style, which has a list of words to watch. Words implying doubt, such as 'allegedly' and 'claims', are on the list, as they imply that there is no factual evidence that such things actually happened (evidence/references are required on Wikipedia). In this sense, adding (somewhat negative) unreferenced information on a living person can be seen a non-neutral edit, or trying to push a point of view.


 * N.B: I am not accusing you of anything, but just pointing out that I believe the edit in itself was not neutral. Does this help? Giraffer munch 16:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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May I ask what you have done to my user page? Hockeycatcat (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , of course! You disclosed your age on Wikipedia, so I removed the material and another user called Primefac 'oversighted' it, or removed it from any public view. This was done because Wikipedia has a policy on child protection, which does not allow minors to disclose their age. While not explicitly explained there, you can find more info on it here and here. I'm sorry to have removed it, but it is for your safety.


 * Don't worry about it. Plenty of people have made similar mistakes. So long as you learn from it and don't re-add the information, you'll be fine. Actually, you can help out the Oversight team (the people that removed the edit from public view) by reporting any versions of a page where a minor has expressed their age. You can do this by emailing them at Special:EmailUser/Oversight. I know a couple people who had one of their edits oversighted, read the relevant policies, and went on to help report other instances that needed to be removed.


 * Does this help? If you have any questions, feel free to respond to this. Thanks! Giraffer munch 09:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

It does help. Hockeycatcat (talk) 09:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

A feline for you!
Meow meow (Thank you)

Hockeycatcat (talk) 09:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC) 
 * Thanks! She will be a great companion for my IRL cat... :D - Giraffer munch 10:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Budapest Process
It would be good to understand why Budapest Process has been removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glen Hodgson (talk • contribs) 16:29, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , the page Budapest Process has been deleted for copyright violations, so I can't see what edit I made (only admins can see deleted pages), but I have pinged, an admin, to see if they can shed any light. Regards, Giraffer munch 17:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ,, I can't pull up the copyright check tool since the page is deleted, but I pulled up the deleted version and plugged a few sentences from the page into Google. Just about every sentence I checked was copied verbatim or near-verbatim from the budapestprocess website. Copying text from other sources is almost never acceptable since it is a copyright violation. GeneralNotability (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * , thanks! :D Giraffer munch 15:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Will give it a try later. Giraffer munch 15:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Etymology of Hindu Kush
There has been substantial abuse of that page. There is little consensus regarding the exact meaning of the term Hindu Kush and various hateful elements have used this term to incite Anti-Hindu feelings in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I will urge you to reconsider the recent edits. I tried to make some neutral changes by removing sources that were unreliable (citation that were not authored by historians) and highlighting that there are differing interpretations offered by different historians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spratap123 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am assuming you were logged out, and are the IP I reverted, 157.47.235.55? Giraffer munch 11:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If so, I reverted your edit because it was not neutral ('This stunning  mountain range had a  beautiful  Sanskrit name.') While I appreciate that the RfC surrounding the material negatively portraying Hindus conducted on the talk page was closed as no consensus, you were adding material that (directly or indirectly) pushed a pro-Hindu point-of-view, instead of making it neutral. Restoring neutrality in an article is about giving certain points fair weights (i.e. not only having the 'Hindu-killer' theory, but also having a paragraph on the Sanskrit theory.) Adding material about the alternative theory of the etymology of the word is restoring neutrality, but adding promotional language to it isn't.


 * I apologize if I sound harsh to you, but due to the controversial nature of articles related to India & Pakistan, there are a series of extra tough restrictions imposed on them to keep them as clean as possible. A message was previously left on your talk page about this ('Important Notice'). At any rate, feel free to re-instate your edits provided you remove the non-neutral language. Regards, Giraffer munch 11:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure what you are talking about. I did not write that statement - 'This stunning mountain... beautiful Sanskrit name.. etc' I just added few sentences with an essence that - Many differing interpretations of this name have been put forward by historians. Also, I removed the subtitle Hindu-killer specially because there is a lack of consensus on the meaning of the term. If you feel that's not neutral then feel free. Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spratap123 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm confused as to why you are challenging my edits when they had nothing to do with you... Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 09:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I was not challenging you. And frankly, this point there have been so many edits and counter edits that it is hard to say who has changed what. The confusing part to me is that anytime moderators decide to undo edits made by a user they just revert the article instead of specifically removing things they want to remove. All I did (which has now been reverted/superseded by many other edits) was - 1. Move the statement saying 'Many meanings of the name Hindukush have been propounded...' to the beginning of the etymology section. 2. Remove the subtitle - 'Hindu Killer' because there is no consensus on that. I retained all the information, just removed the subtitle. 3. Removed 3 unreliable references that were not by historians and were cited to support 'Hindu killer' meaning. (It is funny that people feel a pilot's autobiography can be cited to support meaning of a historic landmark). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spratap123 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , feel free to make any edits you feel appropriate. Personally I hold no interest in the content of the article, so you don't need to consult me on anything. Happy editing. :D Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 17:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Love the health userbox
Is this the place to put new posts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by example (talk • contribs) 15:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, put them in a new section, at the bottom, and don't forget to sign. You put yours above someone else's message and you forgot to sign it. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  15:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I love User:Giraffer/TalkPageCovid. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  14:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks! If there's something you think would improve it, feel free to make the change, like EEng. Giraffer munch 19:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Besides making the real COVID-19 go away, "I got nothing." Here's hoping in 6-18 months you will have to think of a replacement heading for your user talk page.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  20:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope so too, . Where I am they just announced new tougher restrictions, so a replacement header sadly isn't coming anytime soon. :/ At any rate, happy holidays, and to quote the words of my prime minister, 'have yourself a merry little christmas'. Giraffer munch 23:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the "Christmas is canceled in London" stuff all over the news here on this side of the pond too. I said 6-18 months for a reason.  Sigh.  "70% more infectious, but not more deadly" still translates into more deaths per day. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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Bonjour
Bonjourno PeterBread&#38;Giraffer (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

It’s so weird we both have Giraffer in our name! PeterBread&#38;Giraffer (talk) 09:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, haha. I just chose the word giraffe (one of my favorite animals) and stuck an 'r' on the end of it. Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 09:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Cool :) PeterBread&#38;Giraffer (talk) 09:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

consensus on proud boys categories
The proud boys do not identify as any of the categories they are assigned. They were assigned those categories on Oct 6 2020 bu user: Robby. If the group does not self-identify as those things an argument should be made. If you are appealing to an argument that a consensus was reached— please point to it. The only argument I have heard is the accusation or the claim that ex-Proud Boy Kyle Chapman tried to make it white supremacist (which all reports I have seen acknowledge it does not identify as such)
 * The infobox on Proud Boys lists them as white nationalists, and the lead states that the group believes men and Western culture are under siege, their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory. It's less important what they consider themselves to be and more important what they are. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 11:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)