User talk:Girolamo Savonarola/core

Core list beginning
Good job developing the list, this is definitely a great start. I'm sure there may be some disagreement for other inclusions/removals, but I believe these should definitely be improved for our project. For the task forces, should we just leave a message on the talk pages of each task force and also leave a message on their members' talk pages asking them to determine their ~10 films? Also, do you want to possibly leave a message on the main project's page asking members to add maybe another ~20-50 films/topics they think notable that aren't on this main list/task forces' lists? Finally, I brought up the possibiltiy of awarding a new barnstar for our project for editors who improve these articles to the GA/FA status. Maybe an editor could receive the award if they bring 3-5 articles up to GA or 1 up to FA. We would need somebody to create the new award (since I have no skills in creating barnstars!) or if there's no interest in the new award, just award the current film barnstar. I just figure this will possibly motivate some editors to work on these articles and drive some interest to the core list from other editors who see these awards on users' pages. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that we seem to be on the same page wrt award incentives! I was thinking something similar. Or, we could even instigate a contest where editors get points for bringing articles from one class to another, and give the top few earners special barnstars. Something like that. And if we could just as easily use general barnstars, provided that they are distinguished enough (and maybe have several tiers).
 * As for the remaining spots, I would greatly prefer not to defer to individuals if at all possible. Mainly just because it will also open us up to people coming around later and asking "why not drop X for Y?" This seems to have happened with WP Bio's core list, IIRC. If there is any other list or source that can be deferred to, it would make us that much more impartial. I'd rather have debate over which lists instead of which films. That's my take on it. There may be areas where some decision is unavoidable (Filmmaking, Awards, etc.), but since those topics are more about things, it may not be as much of a problem finding the most basic and influential subjects. (On the other hand, I have no idea how to address things like War films. I suppose we could defer to IMDb lists? It would counterbalance against the TSPDT critic-heavy influence.) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Concerning the awards, for the point system, I believe that would work if the points were totaled maybe once a quarter since some people may not contribute over a long period of time to the project for various reasons. (There could also be one award that shows the point ranking for the entire year though). I myself would want to use a new barnstar (with several levels as you said), so that improving the core articles would earn a more "special" distinction than the award for other notable contributions to the project. I'm not saying the current award is valueless (like the current American dollar!), but believe it best to keep the reasons for awarding both separate.


 * I see your point on having individuals not choose the films, that would probably have the same problems as before with the importance rating. I was just thinking about the possible topics/films that may not appear on the list that may be notable but that are not included on these lists that we find. But then again, editors are free to improve any articles they want and should not be necessarily influenced on the importance of the article to determine if they want to work on it. Plus, as we have these core articles improved to FA status, new articles will replace them that need to be improved, so we should also have a backup of a few films to add into the list when necessary. When do you plan to remove the importance parameter? --Nehrams2020 (talk) 05:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think once we have the Core list ready to go, then we might as well just announce the whole kit and caboodle in one fell swoop. I was thinking about the whole clearing out the FAs again, and I think that with the several hundred films on the list at the moment (and the possibility of more being added as more task forces go online), there's already more than enough to go around. Plus, leaving the FAs intact gives not only a feeling of accomplishment, but also a measure of how much progress is being made as the "(s)coreboard" gradually changes from red-orange to green-blue (we hope). Also, having a fixed core may be of possible value for the larger wiki-wide Core and 1.0 projects. The TSPDT list is only tweaked every December, so if change is to occur, it would make sense to align it with that, and keep the list stable for at least a year at a time. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That would probably be the best way to announce it, especially if the list is already all prepared. Of course, if we want, a separate subpage can be created that includes all of the GA/FAs that have been achieved from the core list (plus a point system for editors if we decide on that), so the FAs could be removed to make way for more articles. Of course if other editors decide on wanting the list to stay uniform over a period of time as you described, I don't see any problems with that either. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The list looks great and the background should do a good job of convincing editors of its necessity. Are you planning on removing the articles that are already FAs? I would be willing to add some reward money as well, but it'll probably have to wait until around the time the money/certificate is awarded. I think that will do a great job of motivating people to improve the articles, especially if we are able to get a lot of donations. Also, based on the progress of the improvement of the articles, I'll be able to add a section in the newsletter each month announcing the current progress, recently given awards, and maybe the ranking. The Spotlight department would probably be the best area for having the information, or possibly a subpage off of it. Good job on compiling the list, and now we just need to find some barnstar artists. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)