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Blocking of User
Dear Girth Summit. I will definitely would make an effort to be more diverse in my future edits. Thank you for your good work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sefer12 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You'll need to make a new unblock request, setting out how you will act going forward. Another admin will review it. Girth Summit  (blether)  16:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

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Why are you block create accounts
why you are block create accounts? I'll create a accounts about edit Wikipedia. 애국심 존중 (talk) 06:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Which account are you asking about - have I blocked a previous account of yours? Girth Summit  (blether)  07:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

IP reblock
Hi Girth Summit, your one month block on (Sockpuppet investigations/JesusJohnson7) has expired and they are back to the same unattributed machine translations, could you reblock? Thanks, CMD (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Done, thanks. Girth Summit  (blether)  05:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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Congrats my dear friend and colleague. I know you shall do well with your new appointments and the tools that come with it. Congratulations once more you, & a major thank you for all the hard work you have put in towards bettering the collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk) 16:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey Celestina007 - that's very kind, thank you. Girth Summit  (blether)  18:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Opinion
Hi, I was hoping you could take a look at the history of Draft:Singhu Border Lynching (2021) and the series of reverts going to and from mainspace to draftspace. I've done my best to initiate discussion on the talk page but I don't feel I'm making much headway. Could I get your thoughts on the notability etc... please? Best Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I’m so sorry
I know this might have caused you some regret but please don’t be too hard on yourself there’s isn’t any logical way you could have known of their less than ethical practices. I’m sorry about the embarrassment this might have caused you but nonetheless don’t be discouraged. Hang in there my friend no one blames you. Celestina007 (talk) 02:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Celestina007, thanks for reaching out though, but honestly, I don't feel embarrassed about it. The conclusion that Arbcom came to was based on an investigation that I was not a party to, involving information that I could not have been aware of at that time and am not aware of now. Based only on what I would have been able to see when I reviewed their work, I would stand by the nomination, so I don't feel any discomfort around my own actions. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I’m indeed very glad to hear this, Thanks for your tireless efforts in bettering the collaborative project, we are more than grateful to have you here. Celestina007 (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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Congrats
Glad to see you joined the team. If there's anything I can help with, feel free to reach out (Email or IRC better these days.) Hope all is well. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Tony - I've received a whole bunch of very helpful emails, including from you, need a bit of time to read and digest but I'll let you know if anything's not clear. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  10:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

notice the noticeboard notice
Hi GS, just FYI I mentioned you in Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. No urgency required. — xaosflux  Talk 17:48, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Remitbuber
Hi, I noticed that you used the spi helper script to reblock. I'm not sure what options you picked or whether it's the fault of the script itself, but the notice on his Talk page says he was blocked "temporarily" not indefinitely; it also talks about expiration of the block. Perhaps you could fix it? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * That's a bit of an oddity - I've fixed the message manually. - ever seen this happen before? I did indeed use SPIhelper to do the block, it applied an indefinite 'confirmed sock' block, but [User talk:ABCghiNea: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia the message it left] seems inappropriate. Cheers  Girth Summit  (blether)  12:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The user-tagging and talk page message code is, surprisingly, one of the most fragile pieces of spihelper. In this case I accidentally pushed a feature I was testing to the main branch and my changes quietly broke things. I think I've pushed a fixed version now. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking at this so quickly GN - I'll make sure to check my tags next time I block someone like that, but I'm sure you'll have fixed it., see above FYI. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  20:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Orbit Wharf - secondary account
Hi GS, I noticed you just blocked Orbit Wharf as a sock and wanted to make you aware that they recently created a secondary account, Orbit a Different Wharf (see also this ANI thread for context) – that one probably ought to get hit as well. Cheers.  Angry Harpy   talk 06:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Oops - yes, good spot, thank you. Girth Summit  (blether)  06:16, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Um, I also have suspicions about another account and IPs. Interaction timeline is not conclusive but bears some similarities. Should I send you details or open another SPI? Polyamorph (talk) 10:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless there's any evidence you can't mention on-wiki, I'd prefer it in an SPI please - that makes it easier for others to see what I'm looking at and confirm/refute any conclusions. Thanks Girth Summit  (blether)  11:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks Polyamorph (talk) 11:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether you're a regular at raising SPIs? If you're a Twinkle user, I'd strongly suggest using that, it makes it much easier than doing it by hand. Let me know if you need any help with the paperwork. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've submitted a few in the past, hopefully I've done it right: Sockpuppet investigations/Advait.kansal. Maybe I'm being overly paranoid but there area serious of coincidences. Polyamorph (talk) 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, looks properly formatted. I see is taking a look at it now.  Girth Summit  (blether)  12:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems you're right about OW, a red herring. But I'm glad I wasn't just being paranoid about the other socks, I wasn't expecting that many! Polyamorph (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was quite a drawer. No worries about the OW confusion, if in doubt it's usually better to mention suspicions and let us investigate. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  13:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Cullen House scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the Cullen House article has been scheduled as today's featured article for October 7, 2021. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/October 7, 2021, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. Gog says you are working on the blurb, so just replace the current place-holder when you are done

We suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes, Gog mentioned to me that this was going ahead - I'd like to have a bash at writing a blurb (I haven't done one before), I'll see if I can put something together over the weekend. Thanks Girth Summit  (blether)  18:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi - I've got it down to 1,032 characters, will that fit the bill?  Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  10:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me, thanks for that. It's quite likely someone will tinker with it in the interim, but that's usually constructive <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  13:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you today for Cullen House, "about a historic building in Scotland, built around 1600 and substantially enlarged and remodelled several times in its history, and family seat to the Earls of Seafield"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: #1700, and I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

2021 Singhu border lynching
Hello again, During the edit warring that went on in 2021 Singhu border lynching prior to the deletion discussion, someone place a few unreliable sources tags throughout the article. I've since gone through and checked the sources and doubled them up with more reliable sources. I had completed these only to now enter a new battle with the editor who was so desperate to delete the article in the first place. I was hoping to get your opinion on Zee News as a credible news source. I couldn't find any red flags against it but the above mentioned editor has referred to a mention on the reliable sources noticeboard. Surely this would not automatically mean that Zee News in unreliable? Would it? Anyway if you check out the edit history you can see what has gone one. I'm beginning to regret having anythong to do with this article. Anyway, Penny for your thoughts and sorry to ask for your assistance again. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:23, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest posting on RSN, with a link to the article, and a brief description of the content you're using it to support. It might be one of these sources that are OK for basic factual assertions, but more dubious for political stuff - I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with the sources in the region to have an opinion myself. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  10:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, that was pretty much my take on it too. Thanks anyway. I think I'll let it slide for now, I'm not emotionally invested and at least the article itself is still there. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

New message from Aloha27
Hi GS. Yes, the master is indeed VXFC, a LTA issue. Apologies for not making my report more clear. Have a good day. <b style="color:#9E0508;background:#FFFFFF"> Aloha27</b>  talk  18:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Airport reference deleters
Thanks for your help with the airport sockpuppet guy earlier. It seems that others too think it's OK to delete references from entries in airport articles. These guys seem a law unto themselves e.g. diff1, diff2, and diff3. Diff 2 is especially brazen because of the edit summary. Can you take a look and maybe help me understand if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick other these guys are playing fast and loose with the rules? 10mmsocket (talk) 20:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi - just noting that I've seen this, I'll try to get chance to take a look tomorrow. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  20:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , looking briefly at those diffs, it looks like someone is removing assertions that the service will start on a particular date, which presumably had its own source; if the service has now started, and is supported by the latest version of a different source used within the article, then removing the 'will start on 1 Nov' source could make sense. If you're concerned about it, you could ask the editor if they can explain what they're doing in a bit more detail, and check that the current information is sourced? Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  08:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy response. Much appreciated. It just seems to me that some articles - airports and train operating companies to name a couple of types - are magnets for original research and listcruft. The very fact that some editors seem to think these articles are exempt from the normal rules of referencing (see my talk page from a few minutes ago) means there's something very wrong here. However it's not something I can change single handed so I'll pick my battles where I can make a difference to the encyclopaedia. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah. I don't personally see any real encyclopedic value in maintaining a list of all the destinations served by a particular airport - that seems like the sort of thing an external link to their website would achieve. But sometimes you have to evaluate the amount you care about something, the amount of time you have on your hands, and whether there are other issues that are more important to you. I can't say this is a priority for me... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yup. Point well made. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).

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EstellaAdora @ SPI
First of all, many thanks for fixing my screw up with the leading space, I was tearing my hair out trying to fix it.

I have a query about the SPI. The behavioural evidence against the account I reported is pretty compelling especially if you look at the Interaction Timeline eg ,. I'm wondering if I should use the template warning suggested by ? WCM email 18:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * If I'm honest, I'd probably leave it. I would be surprised if that account ever edited again, and the discussion closer ought to take the likelihood of canvassing into account. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  19:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, on the leading space thing - it's no big deal, and if it ever happens again just leave it for a clerk to sort out. I use a script that makes doing stuff like that quick and easy; trying to do it manually would be hard. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  19:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * At least leading spaces are visible. Every once in a while, we get a username with a U+200E in it.  That's geek-speak for an invisible special character that says "Here starts text that's written left-to-right".  Those should only be needed when you've got mixed LTR and RTL text (say, Arabic or Hebrew mixed in with English) but somehow manage to find their way into SPI reports once in a while. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Wait What?
Following this, what???? You’ve visited and worked in the +234 in the past? You know what’s so amazing Girth, It’s so unbelievable when I discuss off wiki with editors in Europe or America, I mean it’s so mind blowing knowing the number of you all who have visited the 234. Oh well, I live in Lagos, it’s probably unlikely you are ever gonna visit again but if you do, let me know & id drive you around town & show you my city. Celestina007 (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That's very kind! Yes, I used to do a fair amount of work in West Africa before I retrained to be a teacher - Nigeria, Cote D'Ivoire, Ghana, Cameroon - doing seabed surveys. I never spent much time in Lagos - we'd just fly into there from London then head straight for Port Harcourt, where the survey boats sailed from. Some of it was oil and gas related (when you want to move an oil rig, you have to use sonars to survey the seabed for anything that might get in the way of your anchor pattern), some of it was checking the levels of shipping lanes and planning dredging programmes. I wish we'd known each other back then, I'd have looked you up - I'm afraid those days are long behind me now, I hardly ever leave the UK these days. Still, if I get tired of teaching and go back to my old life, I'll let you know if I'm in the area... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Plus, if you follow the link on my user page, you can see that I've been mentioned in the Nigerian press - that was a bit more recent though... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw that too. Safe to say you are internet famous. When you mentioned visiting Rivers state & then mentioned “Oil rig” I knew yeah!!!! You definitely do know what you are saying. Oh my! Good to know this! Celestina007 (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by Motmedia writes (talk • contribs) 16:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

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For telling me what I needed to hear. I'm a bit prone to overreact, so I'll keep off related changes, SPI and such for a while. Before I end up getting myself in (more) trouble. If you think I should get one, feel free to leave a talk page warning "improper use of warning template". Mako001 (talk) 15:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see any need to give you a template, saying the same thing that I already told you at the SPI case. Templates can be useful, but there's nothing 'official' about them - I prefer to write a personal message except in cases of obvious vandalism, page blanking, spamming etc. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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I'm confused about something
So there was a user talk page created by an IP editor at User talk:The vandalism account. They substituted an indef-block template with the page creation. At first, seeing this I thought it was a new account that was registered for vandalism and that they put the indef block notice to prevent the vandalism from being noticed or something. But then I realized the account didn't exist and that an IP added the notice. So I was nominated the page for CSD because it's the talk page of a user that doesn't exist, but rereading the CSD for vandalism it doesn't look like it nessecarily fits the criteria (so I removed my CSD nomination). So should I do anything moving forward? I'm a bit tired from work and I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious and also feeling like I might have been a bit impulsive here in regards to how I acted. I'd appreciate any advice you have to offer. Clover moss (talk) 01:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry about it - it was probably someone just messing around. The page has been deleted now, as vandalism, so your tag couldn't have been too far from the mark. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  10:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't like cricket
Oh no! I love it!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Speaking as a Scot, I'd say that I'm aware of cricket. In the same way I know that some people, in certain parts of the world, play ice hockey, or petanque, or Aussie rules football. I live in York now of course, but YCC don't seem to be flavour of the month. Maybe not a good time to try to get into it... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  22:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Enjoy this trip down memory lane! Don't let the recent unpleasant actions of a few individuals put you off. Heads are starting to roll.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow - I didn't know that had happened. I'd have watched that! Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  09:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Two of my offspring, the twins, are eligible to play for the county, by the only rules worth anything. I think I'll spend the day re-watching the Botham/Willis test. -Roxy the sceptical dog . wooF 10:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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request for counter-vandalism training
Hello, I've been editing for a few months and counter-vandalism has become my main area of focus, it'd be great to receive some training on how to do it better. DirkJandeGeer (talk) 11:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Dirk, thanks for reaching out. I'm afraid I'm pretty busy at the moment, both in real life and on Wiki - I'm afraid I'm not taking on new students at the moment. You might want to reach out to one of the other trainers listed at WP:CVUA - they're all very experienced. Don't worry too much about the time zone thing - the training can be done asynchronously. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for the response DirkJandeGeer (talk) 17:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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DRV: Stephen Hogan
Dear Sir, hope you have been well. A titan here has nominated the Stephen Hogan page we diligently put together for nomination to delete. And it's been deleted. Maybe I am a poor writer that I didn't bring in Dublin actor stars in fascinating new Amazon Prime film about Indian revolutionary - Dublin Live properly into the article to further demo notability. I know you are extremely busy, but could you please participate? Many thanks for your time and consideration. Have a great weekend. Supermann (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, I said that I thought the notability was marginal, and that it might go either way if it was nominated for deletion. That process has happened now, and I'd advise you to accept that and go do sonething else. Your deletion review won't be successful - deletion reviews aren't places to discuss whether or not a subject is notable, you have to establish that the deletion procedure wasn't done properly - like, if the closer was involved, or the consensus wasn't followed, or something. As far as I can see there weren't any procedural failings, so the DRV is likely to uphold the outcome of the AfD. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  10:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, hope you have been well. The DRV is closed with relist per Deletion review/Log/2021 November 6. It's a wall of texts that I think you may not want to read, esp those questioning your wisdom of citing the Times article on his audiobook narrator contributions. So people are chiming in again at the AfD. Your weak keep might just help swing it into survival. Please feel free to join us at Articles for deletion/Stephen Hogan. Appreciate it!!!! Supermann (talk) 16:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hi,

Please look into Arjuna page. There seems to be a user who is sockpuppetting with different user ids.

Thanks.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC))

Recently, this user had a similar profile named ViratYuddha24. Panchalidraupadi (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. For future reference, WP:SPI is the best place to report this kind of thing (I'd strongly recommend using WP:TWINKLE to raise reports there, it makes it much easier). There was already a case open for this account, so that speeded things up - they're blocked, feel free to revert anything they did per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Panchalidraupadi (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

One more help. I am unable to revert to a version which has been edited many times, not aware of the process. Could you please revert it back to the version by Kailash29792 on 18th Nov? Thanks Panchalidraupadi (talk) 16:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've been away. It looks like you managed to do it already, so I won't make any changes to the page. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

A bit odd
Hi.

I am looking at doing a GA reassessment and the nominee has been blocked (that's fine, ferret sorted this, along with the IP request for WP:SO.) Fine. I went looking for another editor to be responsible for the nomination (and the article) and looked to the top editor. I find something odd here. I'm looking at their contributions - contributions cease in 2019. How is it that this editor with a previous SI is getting category deletion notices in 2021, if there have been no contributions since December 2019? A bit odd --Whiteguru (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Those notices get sent automatically when a category the account created is nominated for deletion. Whoever creates the nomination would have to manually disable the 'notify creator' option to stop them being sent. It looks like the account has been abandoned, and the SPI didn't find conclusive evidence, so I don't think there's anything more to be done unless the account suddenly starts editing again. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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hi,, iam new & want to be a studant of Counter-Vandalism Unit --Spotanus (talk) 12:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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Student of Counter-Vandalism Unit
Hello, I am new here and want to be a student of Counter-Vandalism Unit. Thanks. --Spotanus (talk) 16:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Spotanus. I'm quite busy at work at the moment, and not taking on any students for the time being. I note that your account is very new, and I'm not sure that diving immediately into counter-vandalism activities is the best way for you to start out here. You might consider using the WP:ADVENTURE to build up your skills first, and then think about trying to improve a few articles before diving straight into counter-vandalism stuff. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  19:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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Alexander Ellice slavery sources
Hi,

Since you reverted the source of Alexander Ellice biography, can you at least provide some consistent source about his slave trader past ? Nothing in this page (your source) proves that he was a slave trader https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/2146638519 only that he ha

Also the page you provide is incomplete and doesn't show how Alexander Ellice developped the area http://www.biographi.ca/fr/bio/ellice_alexander_5F.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne-Laure1984QC (talk • contribs) 20:20, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I reverted because your edit was a violation of our copyright policy - WP:COPYVIO. We may not copy content from other websites into our articles. I know nothing about this individual, and am not myself familiar with the sources - I suggest that you reach out on the article's talk page to the article's author, and discuss the matter with them. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  20:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Help
I have made a paper HAL TEDBF in hindi 3-4 months ago. So much time have passed but it is not linked with the language section mean that I cannot get on the English page of I am on Hindi. Please help me. I need this feature/function to link other pages also. I ame Shears (talk) 09:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi - I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're asking me to do. Are you talking about linking to an article on Hindi Wikipedia from English Wikipedia? Please explain exactly what it is you want to do, ideally providing links to the relevant articles. Thanks Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  09:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * this is the page which I want to link from Hindi wikipedia to English Wikipedia. Thanks I ame Shears (talk) 08:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi - apologies for the (very) slow response, I'm afraid that I've been swamped with real-life work over the last few days. I'm afraid that I'm still not sure what it is you want to do: which page do you want to link from? Why do you want to link to a Hindi article from English Wikipedia? If you can explain more fully, I'll try my best to advise. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  21:28, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
We haven't interacted too much though I have seen you around and we have been involved in discussion before but I wanted to thank you for your words at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. They were very sound and I agreed with most of what you said. It reminds me a Wikipedia principle I have come to adopt throughout my interactions here ad well as in life.

"One of the least enforced but most critical policies on the project is our need to remain civil at all times, no matter the provocation. If something you might say would be unacceptable at a large meeting of professionals in a conference room, then it is unacceptable here. Insults very often are an insight into the person making them, not on the target of the aspersions. Insults will never yield positive outcomes. Incivility reduces productivity, engagement, and idea generation."

Words affect others, tone affects others and I'm still learning this despite years of trying to perfect it. When everything is going well and others are agreeing with us it is easy to be civil. The more adversity we face we, as humans, feel we must fight the fire by unloading and civility is often the first thing we toss out the window. -- A Rose Wolf  21:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * We're none of us perfect. If I could add up the amount of time I've wasted typing out a reply that I want to send, then deleting it and typing the reply I know I ought to send, I'd probably have... well, enough time to do something useful with. Build a boat maybe, or learn to ski. The way I see it, the person who remains civil and professional is acting entirely in their own interests - people coming to a discussion cold will generally be far more inclined to agree with the calm person referring to policy than the angry person venting all over the place. We're all human though - there are so many situations where it is an ingrained response to give a sarcastic, snarky or downright hostile response. I always try to imagine it being quoted back at me out of context, and my having to justify it to people who weren't there at the time - better not to make it in the first place.
 * Thanks, by the way. :) Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  21:24, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I type, delete and retype messages all the time. If I had a US dollar for every time I deleted a message and simply walked away from the discussion I would be, I know, the richest person in North Alaska at the moment, of course that may or may not be a very big accomplishment. Either way, I understand you perfectly and I am so glad I am not the only one doing that. It's one of those things that you know but it's good to hear or see someone else experiencing it as well. -- A Rose Wolf  21:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

SeanM1997
Back on 31 October you advised SeanM1997 at User talk:SeanM1997 to clearly state on his user page that he is using two different accounts to edit the same articles. He has not done this and continues active editing using both accounts on the same articles, e.g. Edinburgh Airport. Perhaps it's time to remind him of his obligations. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Is there any actual disruption going on - are they edit warring or anything like that? The account names are so similar that I doubt there is any intention to deceive; I've advised them of best practice already, I'm not personally inclined to take any further action unless there is something more than the use of two separate but similarly named accounts. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

About flags
Hello, Turkish peoples have spread to many parts of the world, I am making flags for these peoples to be recognized more, the flags I make are not meaningless, all of these flags have a meaning, please do not delete the flags I have added, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SahinBasaran (talk • contribs) 00:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You can't add flags here if you have invented them yourself - we are here to collect existing knowledge, not to propogate new ideas. I see that you have been blocked from editing now - you'll need to agree to stop adding flags like this if you wish to be unblocked. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sahin Basaran presents Fun with Flags!!?? Govvy (talk) 12:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If I could issue a Wikipedia warning for making me spit out my coffee, you'd get a Level-3 10mmsocket (talk) 12:22, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't help myself, I am a big fan of The Big Bang Theory.  Govvy (talk) 20:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be that guy, but I've never watched the Big Bang Theory, and I've no idea what you're talking about. I respect both of you as editors, and I hate to be a killjoy, but this thread was started by a now-indef-blocked user who was certainly being disruptive, but who probably doesn't really understand what they were doing wrong - let's not cause them any more frustration and confusion by turning it into a sideshow. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  20:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Girth, it's a very popular show, maybe not some ppl's cup of tea, but it's fun, goofy, warm hearted. It hits on a number of cultural elements of my generation so it hits all the right buttons for me. You should give it a try. Govvy (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not about the show, or the fun - I feel bad about asking you to stop, fun is definitely a good thing. It's just the circumstances - I don't think this person was intentionally breaking our rules, they just didn't understand what was wrong with their actions. They don't need to see us laughing and joking about it. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  21:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

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Your close of that awful ANI was spot on and I think you parsed the various options just right. Having been at the sharp end of the discussion I have developed a new appreciation of how unpleasant ANI is. It makes DRV a walk in the park by comparison. My main gripe is the length of time the thread was open. Obviously not your fault as you fixed the issue, but there has to be a better way to moderate disputes of this kind. Quicker closing and policing of behaviour would probably have seen no need for formal sanctions at all. Any how, thanks again for bringing this to an end. Spartaz Humbug! 23:05, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Threads like that are tricky - it's clear that a substantial number of people want something to be done, but with lots of people pulling in different directions it's tempting just to scroll down and leave it to somebody else. I'm sorry that one was left for so long though, and I'm glad that you think I called it right. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  09:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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For sorting out the SPI case I logged. Have a Merry Christmas and a great 2022! Ho ho ho.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hast thou heard of anything on the current status of Canmore? Its website has been down for at least the last two days, which is a bit of a concern for the references about the place. Seasider53 (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Fear not; it's down for maintenance. Seasider53 (talk) 19:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, missed your original message. Yes, I've noticed that every now and again canmore is unavailable for a day or two. It usually comes back online fairly quickly. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  07:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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Any chance this is also a sock?
Mainly reverting a sock you just blocked, Yash Thakur Ramayan, and telling User:Bishonen that Yash Thakur Ramayan is a sock - as you know. Doug Weller talk 17:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey - hope the festive season is treating you well - is there another account you want me to look at?  Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Never mind - figured it out. Very suspicious behaviourally... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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Yet another new sock of İsmail Kendir, whose socks you've blocked before. Obvious case, as he is repeating word by word the same gibberish some of his previous socks posted on my talk in December. Jeppiz (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Favonian (talk) 16:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Favonian. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Girth - thanks for your post. Always appreciate your honesty when it comes to stubs.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:45, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for pointing out my vandalism of the Critical Race Theory article. After a careful review of my actions and learning more about Wikipedia I have come to appreciate the work of the many editors who as it seems have a thankless job, yet contribute so much good quality information to the English speaking pubic. I am unsure how I can make up for my actions seeing as they have already been reverted. I sincerely regret my actions. I realize that if I have an issue with the presentation of information in an article I can sandbox a change and seek guidance whether my proposed changes adhere to the standards of Wikipedia. I intend to do that. I do not intend to take the content of articles into my own hands anymore it is unwise, unwelcome and rude. Thank you for this valuable lesson. Godspeed18 (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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Joint sockery on en WP and Commons
I'm not sure whether this is a perennial discussion amongst SPI folk or not, so forgive me if it is.

In my 'work' reviewing AFC contributions I encounter a larger number of sock folk than perhaps the usual non admin editor. Part of what I do at AFC is to follow the pictures of drafts to Commons. There I also encounter sock folk, often the same folk.

I'm aware of global locks, and I don't think that is the topic I'm asking about.

en WP has probably the most rigorous SPI process anywhere. Does that process get (somehow) shared with Commons? If not, should it?

When I say "shared" I mean as a matter of course, not when SPI folk and ordinary editors decide to tell Commons admins.

I may be being naïve, of course I may. I may also be planting seeds.

Why did I choose your talk page rather than, say, sock project talk page? Pure whimsy! Plus I respect your attention to detail. Obviously I do the same for other SPI folk, but you happened to appear in my watchlist "conveniently", hence my whimsy 😇 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 17:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi - happy new year, and thanks for the kind words.
 * So, if a sock is reported here, and the master has already been locked for cross-wiki abuse, then requesting a global lock at meta is very easy from within an SPI (it's literally ticking a box in the script we use to block users, the request is made automatically). If the master isn't already blocked/locked, it's a bit more of a judgment call - being blocked on another project, even if it involves socking, isn't in itself a barrier to editing here. Different projects have different policies and behavioural expectations too, so I'd have to be pretty confident that a user was editing disruptively and in contravention of local policy at multiple wikis before requesting a g lock.
 * In terms of sharing information, I'm not aware of any process that actively pushes information to admins at other projects by default. SPIs are publicly viewable though, and we do sometimes ping commons admins from an SPI if we see evidence of socking over there while investigating it over here. There is also a checkusers mailing list, which includes CUs from all projects - so, if we have particular concerns that we can't disclose publicly on an SPI, we can share it with other CUs that way. I'm pretty new to the CU world though, this isn't something I've done myself yet.
 * If it's Commons you're primarily asking about, I might reach out to, who is an admin both here and on commons - he might be able to give you some tips on how/where/why to report users that you suspect of socking both here and on commons. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If the English Wikipedia SPI established sockpuppetry, this is certainly accepted on Commons. If one of the users is already blocked on Commons, others get blocked as well. The problem is if none of them is blocked on Commons, then some indication of misbehavior (not just sockpuppetry) is required there.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose what I am asking both of you (pinging {{{U|Ymblanter}} because they may not see this otherwise) is whether there ought to be a more formal process to share information. I don't want to ask in a forum because I don't feel competent to make the correct suggestions, and I'm happy to ignore it now I've mentioned it. The basic question is "would it improve the projects who might be sharing information?"
 * I'm better informed now, thank you. I've often wondered about getting involved with SPI, but AFC is more than enough for my time at present. I also suspect I may be more effective in finding and fighting spam/UPE without the extra toolkit to worry about being sure not to use! Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 20:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You can always mail information to Commons checkusers, there are five of them. For structural information, I do not know, may be stewards do something like this.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a project for cross-wiki coordination against UPE at m:Wikiproject:Antispam. It's mostly geared towards long-term complex cases though and less towards the "wannabe rapper writes a spammy draft on enwiki and uploads his selfies to commons" stuff. Spicy (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requesting a clean up at my aisle
The IP just puked a disparaging expletive over there. Hiding would be appreciated. Thanks. Venkat TL (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I've removed the comment, and blocked the IP's /64 range for a week. I'll look at protecting that page for a bit too. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Confusion re: when earnestness earns a pass
Came across an old messed up ref and realized user was 'new' back when. But checking through user's it's 6 inserted refs to own works in 4 articles. You have already gently mentioned there might be problems with these edits, and they didn't continue. And just briefly checking Google they seem a most up-and-up earnest fella.

But, having perused WP:COI and stuff I think I'm still uncomfortable with... when is there a problem with self-stuffing, and when not? That is, when should the reaction go farther than "you shouldn'a done that, pardner"?

I've fixed the messed up refs now, but I'm left with the disturbing feeling that something more might be done. Should I just shuffle off into the sunset and leave the self-refs unmolested?

Partly my unease is due to my continuing discoveries of old cow patties all over the WP pastures. Y'know, those do accumulate without gnomes of some sort. Shenme (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It's a bit of a judgment call, I suppose. If an academic wants to contribute to our articles, I don't want to stop them - and it would seem reasonable that they might occasionally use their own publications as references, if they are the most relevant sources for the material they're writing about. On the other hand, if all an account does is add citations to stuff that they've written themselves, you might start to question what their motives are. If they aren't even adding new content, but are just adding citations to existing assertions - even more dubious. And if their publications are, well, not exactly in the top tier of scholarship, that is also something of a red flag. Lots of factors to consider. So yeah - a scholar who writes brilliant content and occasionally cites their own award-winning publications is not doing anything wrong. An account that adds no content, but adds links to their own articles in predatory journals to hundreds of articles is definitely using Wikipedia for promotion. The area in between these extremes is various shades of grey, and needs a bit of judgment.
 * Whatever they're doing, I'd say that the point we go beyond 'Please don't do that' (in terms of applying a block to the account) is the point at which they keep doing it once they've been asked to stop. As for whether or not to remove the material - that depends entirely on the merits of the case.
 * In this particular case, I'd suggest that you consider whether the content they added is WP:DUE, and whether the sources are sufficiently reliable to support it - if you feel they aren't, you can certainly use your editorial discretion and remove the material. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Shenme the essay WP:ACADEME may be of some use to each of you in the discussion you are having. Handling the expert and the academic (which may be the same or different) is challenging. As we know, they are always correct, unless, of course, they are not. Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 09:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Stu255
Hi Girth, I am replying to your message. No idea if I am doing this correctly?

Could you proof read my article as you suggest?

Stu255 (talk) 14:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * First things first - what is your connection to the company? I ask because you are required to declare that sort of thing, especially if you have a financial stake. I'll be happy to give you some advice once we've cleared that up. Thanks Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Jason Drummond
Hello, on 18 July 2020, you left a comment on Talk:Jason Drummond, where you told me to let you know if a user that I had complained about vandalising the Jason Drummond page continued to do so. If you now look at the recent history on the Drummond page, you can see that the same user I complained about two years ago has since continued to vandalise the page. I was accused of being an SPA and have since not touched the page, but I read the news today continues to function as an SPA solely for this page, not only that, but he's now very obviously refactored the article in a way to mispresent Drummond as someone with significant legal troubles. He has done this by using primary sources and changing "private prosecution" to "private criminal prosecution" (when in reality there is no such thing as a private criminal prosecution - it's either a private prosecution by an individual, or a criminal prosecution by the CPS). Further, inserting a section on "civil litigation", which is based solely on primary sources, with the only real purpose of separating the failed private prosecution into its own section which he has subsequently titled "criminal prosecution", in a bid to completely mislead readers. As a final point, almost every single edit since your note on 18 July 2020 by this SPA, has been solely dedicated to misrepresenting Drummond on this wiki page, despite that the user repeatedly posted that he was trying to make "improvements". I had asked Wikipedia previously to put a stop to this, but the ongoing vandalism of this page has continued by this individual now for two years, and nobody has taken any action. Please can you finally do something about this user and put a permanent stop to his vandalism? Please can you then revert the changes he's made since your comment in 2020 and protect the page indefinitely from further edits?

Julian Parge talk 14:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hairy hats - that's a whole load of dubious sourcing. I'm taking a look... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've cut away some of the dodgiest looking stuff. It still needs more work, but I don't really have time right now, and I'm being hampered by the paywalls at the sources on the articles (I don't write about living people very often - newspaper sources aren't really my thing). I've posted at WP:BLPN asking for more eyes on it. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  19:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks so much better, thanks for your prompt efforts. (edit: sorry, wasn't logged in). Julian Parge talk 17:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I still think there may be stuff in there that isn't policy-compliant, but I can't easily get at the some of the sources to check to see what is and is not supported. I may revisit it at a later date if someone doesn't get there first.
 * By the way, that logged out edit just revealed your IP address; if you are concerned about that, and would like to retain your privacy, I can have it removed from this history of this page? Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't mind about the IP as it's dynamic, so I'm not too concerned. Many thanks for the offer though. Julian Parge talk 10:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see - user I read the news today has just 'undone' your edits. Effectively ignoring the message you put on his talk page. He's only going to continue this behaviour as he's clearly desperate to vandalise the Drummond page.  Julian Parge talk 10:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Reviewing this again, he's just added the part about the private prosecution, but again wording it as if it was a criminal prosecution. The distinction is clear: the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) is the only UK body for criminal prosecutions (i.e., where a crime has been committed and someone has been arrested and trialled). Private prosecutions based on allegations (which is what is reflected in the sources), should not be presented as criminal as they are not handled by the CPS. The sources (which are unavailable to the public without paying for a subscription), show with clarity that a) an individual had made allegations and brought a private prosecution against Drummond, and b) that prosecution was withdrawn and cost awarded for Drummond because the claimant submitted evidence that was found to be false and likely forged. I read the news today has also stated that 'the private prosecutor' had acted improperly, which again is not what the source states. For the avoidance of ongoing drama and edit wars, can I request the page to be locked? Since my SPA notice, I did not touch the page further, but this user continues to act as an SPA, solely to vandalise this page to suit his own needs. Julian Parge talk 10:49, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed it, leaving only that which is supported by the sources. I've also noted that I don't think we should be including it - a private prosecution based on dubious evidence which was dropped seems not to warrant inclusion, in my view. You are welcome to comment on the talk page indicating whether or not you agree on that point. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

A flower bouquet for you! 💐

 * Thanks - I shall put them in a vase to brighten up my window, and try not to thimk grumpy thoughts :) Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  00:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Wihkipeadiah isowned bye isrhaele19
I think he's the same user with another name. I've already warned him for the same stuff. GenoV84 (talk) 11:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


 * That's them. There are more accounts, I don't have time to deal with them all right this minute, but will come back to this shortly. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  12:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet investigations/Mhecky. Feel free to ping me if you see any more like this. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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For info
Hi Girth - hope you are well. For info, I've opened another SPI case that you've previously helped with. Will let DJ know too. Thanks again.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * See the SPI case now - I don't see them as a good fit for the suggested puppeteer, but very likely to be a different one. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Alcohol slurs
Can it be hidden ? Venkat TL (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Personally, I wouldn't think it was necessary - normal reversion ought to be sufficient, block/protect if necessary. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ok. Venkat TL (talk) 16:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

LTAs sock is back. Please help
Hi,, I have found this user certainly to be a LTA sock based on their interest and editing pattern. As per it looks they are a sock of LTA of User:Pritam kumar roni das, but on examining the contribution interest and some unique editing like between  and  (removing IMDb sources); it looks they are sock of LTA User:Blogs19. Due to this confusion on SPI I am requesting for a CU check here so that further disruption can be avoided. Thanks.


 * I have also run an 'Editor Interaction Analyser' among, and  and got this result. pinging  since they also blocked socks belonging to above SPI previously. 42.105.1.161 (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, User:Blogs19 has been involved in past for WP:GAMING here. See this conversation with User:SQL at User talk:Luckyernie 2402:3A80:1A40:75C6:30A9:D81F:1C0B:9AAF (talk) 20:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ - ✅, along with a new account. Documented at the relevant SPI case. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  08:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I would also like to thank all other CUs and SPI clerks including you who I think doing a vital job by volunteering in this technical area. The biggest problem with User:Blogs19 is that they come back immediately with new accounts within hours or a day of being blocked. 2402:3A80:751:41E0:BE94:93C9:8862:D673 (talk) 10:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Bang on target! for catching the sock again. Mark my words they will return soon as per my past experience with the LTA.2402:3A80:6BD:9CEF:55EC:1848:84F2:1DE9 (talk) 19:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I reported the latest sock for global block on meta at a steward here. Just a humble request, If could check this LTA on a daily basis it would be really helpful. 2402:3A80:6BF:3EF0:99DF:F3DF:E757:9D26 (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Needing Permission
Hi Girth i would like for your permission to move Yanga to the idols SA contestant  winner please i just need your permission to movr the page! Please grant me this permission😰😰😨😇😇 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirra Jankbith (talk • contribs) 14:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Greetings!
I recently mentioned you at Talk:The_Monsanto_Years.

Baxter329 (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notification. I've responded on the article talk page. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  17:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

LTA is again back
Hi, I think LTA is again back with his new account and I've found new behavioral change ... I've also seen they giving death threats and using slangs on every editors talk page and the sock starts edits mostly corona virus related Article and I suspect that LTA also runs Admin account please look at also Admin accounts ... Please look at it 117.226.155.166 (talk) 10:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * He has posted the same at admin User:Deb talk-page. It looks you are writing and playing with words above to create confusion. Please don't do this. You say I suspect that LTA also runs Admin account please look at also Admin accounts. Is this any kind of joke? 2402:3A80:1C3C:7B26:9914:A77B:71C:BD7B (talk) 11:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * GS, please see 42.105.0.0/21 and their recent comment on User talk:Luk3. Unfortunately the range is kind of big and I have the feeling that if I run CU I might never come out of the dozens of editors I expect to show up. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

What are the odds...
...that we'd have an edit conflict here. Drmies (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Ha! I've got to say, I'm a bit confused that, from my perspective, it looks like there's an experienced Wikipedian, current admin and former arbcom member who is bending over backwards to support this LTA - is there some back story that I'm unaware of? Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  13:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Que? My edit conflict was that I was doing the exact same thing as you did. Drmies (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, shit - no, I didn't mean you, sorry. Take a look at the bottom of ANI just now... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  14:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Whoa. That is ... something. I'll get back to that after ham-cheese croissants. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

A request for clarification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Baxter_329_WP:GREATWRONGS_WP:NOTFORUM

Baxter329 (talk) 17:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I was concerned that you were making controversial assertions, including information about medical conditions, based on exceedingly dubious sources, about living people. Since you haven't reinserted your assertion, and have gone to talk pages to discuss, no further action seems to be immediately necessary. You need to be more careful when writing about people in future however. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  18:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Personal attack
I have addressed it you just don't like my answer, so you are ignoring it. There is no requirement for me to stop editing while dealing while you waffle on and implying there is just gaslighting.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 17:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Re: User_talk:Spencer
Do you think this is related to Sockpuppet investigations/PaullyMatthews? Not as familiar with the case/edit history but wanted to get your eyes on it.  Spencer T• C 23:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A brand new account, who knows about RfPP, wanting to edit in that topic area? Very probably. I'll take a look when I get the chance. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  05:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, confirmed to PaullyMatthews, along with a bunch of other new socks. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  06:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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KK
When you talk to them, if you manage to get through, do mention WP:CITEVAR and the need to respect existing citation styles and inputs. And if mass linking was desired, we'd have bots for this.

Also, you wrote 'edit way', when you likely meant 'edit war'.

Anyway, my two cents. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I am guilty of many typos. Sometimes I wonder if I have undiagnosed dyslexia (my dad has it), I never seem to notice them until after the fact. Thanks for the links, they may be helpful. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  21:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Might want to drop by Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents if it's still active when you see this. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)