User talk:Gjergj Zogaj128

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The information provided in the article regarding Vlore
To whom it may concern.

I just edited the information regarding my home city and also provided sources for it. I do not understand how are Greek Nationalists allowed to do all this vandalism and post articles written by greeks themselves. Don't you think the sources and the information should be impartial? I can find around 50 books written by Albanians about the Albanians in Greece and the Cham Albanians, which have a different point of view than what the greeks have regarding the matter. Nevertheless, not me or any albanian go to greek wikipages regarding cities located currently in Greece to present one sided, biased facts, since we do not edit the greek pages by any means! On the other hand, it appears from these edits from the side of the greeks that almost all south Albania should have been greek and as if we do not belong there!! Nationalism aside,if third parties read the Greek wikipedia pages regarding the cities which were formerly inhabited by Albanians in Greece,they get the idea as if no Albanian ever set a foot there, let alone to be an undeclared minority, and wrongfully classified as a Greek, based on his religion, as it is often the case. On the contrary, if third parties read the pages regarding cities and villages in south Albania, they get the idea as if these places were, are and will be a place where indigenous ethnic greek majority lived there ever since! Please, before allowing such one sided vandalisms to happen, at least double check the sources cited, and the user citing them. At last, i kindly invite you to my city, Vlora and the southern villages and invite you to see that there are no more than 5 villages in the dropull region with a greek speaking majority. I have lived the last 28 years in this region, and lived from Himara, to Vuno and many other villages because of my family, and I can assure you that the overrepresentation and the importance being given to this minority does not have even half of the scale that the reality offers. Last but not least,as already mentioned above, PLESE DO CHECK the truthfulness of the sources provided and the user editing the page, in order to offer a realistic, non biased view to third parties wanting to know more about this region and i URGE you to leave potential political views aside when assessing these pages. I am up for every constructive,objective, non biased discussion on this, given that these editers are trying to give 3rd parties their own views, instead of at least non biased, third parties views, if thot those of the official government of Albania, which strictly speaking, in the wikipedia pages regarding greek cities, the views of the government of Athens are provided ONLY, unlike in the case I just mentioned. Thank you in advance!Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert about the Balkans
-- Dr.  K.  17:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Demographics of Greece. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Dr.  K.  17:06, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry for not fully understanding how this portal works. So, to fully understand, if I provide different statistics based on different sources, just like the greeks do on albanian pages, by citing greek sources, this constitutes vandalism? I am not sure if I fully understand your point. Please explain, why the edits in the page of Vlora and Demographics of Greece constitute vandalism. Thank you in advance.Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's the problem: you didn't provide sources for the new statistics and overwrote already sourced content.  Tera TIX  23:43, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

. Here is the source. It says that the number is well over 600 000 who live in greece. Will it be changed now? I didnt want to edit it myself again. Now, regarding the page of Vlorë, the statistics that show that there were 8000 greeks in 1998, were subject of a huge dispute between the 2 governments. Because in determining the exact number greece included even the orthodox albanians in the census, which was later reverted, thus rendering the statistic NOT CORRECT and the number eventually was only 252 greeks living in VLorë. If I provide the source will this be changed aswell. Sorry for the tone, but I simply feel humiliated by what these statistics, which show that the south albanian cities have large amount of greeks, whhereas they don't. In the other wikipedia pages regarding the Albanian populated villages prior to greek expansion, except 2 or 3 villages, no information is provided about albanians who used to live there and having double standards is simply NOT FAIR. To which instance should I bring my concern?? Can I provide the sources here and then you can do something to change the one-sided statictics?? Thank you in advance. Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing a source. From what I can see, the relevant information from the source regarding the statistics would be "Greece had 400 000 to 600 000 Albanians in 2002". I have added the sourced information. Thanks  Tera TIX  01:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this under consideration! Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, as you are a new editor, you should read WP:Reliable sources carefully, and not call other editors "nationalists" or similar terms. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

And this was an official answer? That was all you had to say regarding the whole text? I have read what you sent me, still feel like you did not read what I provided, but merely read the parts you were interested in and just gave this comment which was absolutely not relevant to the issue. Hopefully I am wrong. CheersGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I am a volunteer as all the other editors, and do not give official responses. We have not interacted before, what do you need? Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I apologise then, I am new to this portal and thought this was an official reply. Sorry for the inconvenience. My concern was that in articles regarding south albania villages or cities, one sided facts are provided and albanian sources with albanian views are often disregarded. Himara page being an example followed by Vlora. Is there anything we can do about this? Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Which part of those articles concerns you? Population, history? I can add some content from reliable Albanian sources. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

There are various details in each part where only one sided sources are offered, however, I do not want to delve deep into the history but the demographic rather concerns me. in the Himara pag it is stated:"The population of the Himarë region is 11,257 inhabitants,[44] with the ethnic composition of both the town and region being predominantly Greek.[45][46] The town of Himarë and the settlements of Dhërmi and Palasë, which account for the bulk of the region's population, are inhabited by Greeks" This is FACTUALLY incorrect, as I am originally from there and they are not PREDOMINANTLY ethnic greeks.Only 5 villages in the dropull region and the Nartë village in Vlorë are inhabited by real, ethnic greeks.Furthermore, the whole south area has a pretty much different history than what the pages provide. I just wanted to cite you this article which I read in order for you to assess whether this is true, and if so, that information MUST be included! . Furthermore, check in Talk: Himara, at the "Use of Psalidas" section, the "Resnjari's detailed reply to Alexikoua". Clearly Alexikua is being one sided and is not providing any viable reason as to why not include that article as well.Furthermore, when it came to the census, no one is taking it as a reliable source, even though the Government of the Republic of Albania accepted it as having no irregularities and there are 0 sources stating there were such. It is insane not to include an official governmental census, just because you don't like it and think that there were irregularities without any basis. All the image being created to these places is as if albanians just occupied the area and greeks were mistreated to a unacceptable level(at least to me it seems like this from the articles). This is not how these pages should provide information, since once someone opens the page of Himara, immediately he thinks oh this must be greece already. Lastly, I wanted to let you know about the demography of Vlora part in the Vlorë page. It is states that 8000 people spoke greek in Vlorë in a certain period of time. I was wondering, is this really necessary? in that same period of time, almost all the poeple in Vlora were speaking Italian as a second language as well. Why is this not included? why should every fact concerning greece in albania should be taken as being well-founded and the other more"neutral facts being ignored? Please check these sections and the source I provided(i know it is not extremely reliable, but right now I cannot find the book the guy was referring to). Thank you in advance for your help and hope that I have a valid point in this, since I saw that in the greek villages where the population used to be predominantly Albanian, except 2-3 cases, nothing is mentioned about them, and in the villages of ALbania, even if there is a negligible minority they will still mention it, and not vice-versa. Thank you once more for the consideration. Kind Regards. Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 20:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 20:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have some good sources that would address your concerns. Himara and Vlora have given immense contribution to the Albanian independence, culture and identity. The articles of settlements in south Albania have some issues, for instance they do not elaborate much on the many revolts and congresses that took place there against the Ottoman Empire, or on the amazing culture of Albanians that live there. On the census data, it is a very important source, and as such, reliable or not, should be included on articles of settlements in Albania. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for addressing these issues and hopefully something can be done regarding them. This was such a huge relief, Wikipedia was so far presenting certain information on certain points which appeared to be one sided and made me doubt in my own country and the values and what I have objectively learned till now as far as history is concerned and this should not happen to me or to anyone as a 3rd party being interested in these pages.For a moment I thought I was shouting in a deaf ear! Thank you once more for your contribution and consideration! Wish you all the best!Gjergj Zogaj128 (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Gjergj ZogajGjergj Zogaj128