User talk:Gladesguy

April 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain pages (Roger L. Hammer) for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Girth Summit  (blether) 14:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi - a bit more explanation on this. The edits you made to that article were identical to edits made by a different account earlier in the year. When that account edited it, they said they were doing it on behalf of the subject of the article; I don't know whether that was you or not, but I assume that you too are making these changes on behalf of the subject. This runs counter to our WP:COI guidance, so I have blocked you from making any further changes to it. You are free to propose changes on the article's talk page, by following the guidance at WP:ER. I should advise you, however, that content will only be accepted if it is supported by reliable published sources - our goal is to summarise the content of existing sources, we don't add stuff to articles just because we know it to be true. There is more on this at WP:V. Best  Girth Summit  (blether)  14:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Girth... I am Roger L. Hammer, the subject of the Wikipedia page and the author of the recent edit. The original Wikipedia page on me was posted without my knowledge nor consent. I am now trying to make the page more accurate, and that shows my life history. The reason I had a friend attempt to edit it was because he knew how. When that failed I signed up for a Wikipedia account to change it myself. So, how do I post what I have written and not what was posted by someone else without my consent? Here is my website: www.rogerlhammer.com...to prove that I am who I say I am. Thanks for helping resolve this matter. If I cannot edit it the way I would prefer it to read then I would like the original Wikipedia page about me removed permanently. Roger Hammer 2601:584:4100:9430:3C11:1277:F63:3590 (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Roger, just a quick note to say that I've seen your response above. I'm in the UK, so making dinner just now, but I'll get back to you tomorrow with some possible ways forward. Best Girth Summit  (blether)  18:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU, GIRTH. 2601:584:4100:9430:3C11:1277:F63:3590 (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, so there are a few things to unpack here. I'll try to break them down for you, but this will probably end up being quite a lengthy post. Please take time to read through what I have to say, and the guidelines that I link to, so you can come to understand a bit better how this works.
 * First, I have no reason to doubt that you really are Roger Hammer, but this is the internet and I do come across people doing some very strange things here. Therefore, it would be useful for you to verify that you are who you say you are. This can be done by e-mailing info-en@wikimedia.org from an address which Roger Hammer is publicly connected to - I'd suggest using the one given at the 'contact' page of your website. Tell them that you are Roger Hammer, and that there is an article about you that you are discussing with an administrator, give them your username (Gladesguy), and a member of the Volunteer Response Team will give you a ticket number and confirm that they have verified who you are.
 * Next up, I think you have misunderstood how we write articles. You've been given a link to the WP:COI guidance already; there is also some useful discussion at WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. In short, people don't get to decide what our articles about them say, and they shouldn't attempt to edit articles about themselves. We do not need the consent of a subject to write or maintain an article about them. That's not to say that we think we can write anything we want - our articles need to be neutral, factual and reliably sourced - our WP:BLP policy lists the expectations that editors are required to abide by when writing about living people. The subjects of our articles do not have any editorial control over the articles, nor to they have the right of veto to say that articles they deem to be inadequate must be deleted. As such, your request that you be allowed to post what you want, or that the article be deleted, is not in line with how things work here.
 * At the moment, I can see a couple of ways that we could go here for you to get an outcome you'd be content with. You could attempt to get the article improved by working within our guidelines and policies, or we can suggest that the article be deleted, and see what the consensus of the editing community is. I'll set out each process below.
 * If you want to improve the article, you can make suggestions on its talk page. You will need to declare your connection to the article when doing so (look at the COI guidance for how to declare), and you will need to use the edit request template, so that an unconnected contributor will evaluate your requests. However - and this bit is crucial - anything you want to add to the article needs to be supported by reliable sources. Our content needs to be verifiable to a third party - we don't write what we know to be true, we write what we can support with existing published sources. The bulk of the content should come from sources that are independent and secondary - so, your own website would not be a good source, but a piece about you in a newspaper would be good. The content should not appear to be promotional in any way (see WP:NOTPROMO).
 * If you think that's all too much hassle, and just want the article to be deleted, I could nominate it for deletion via our WP:AfD process. I'm not sure how the community would feel about that - it will come down to whether or not people believe that you are notable, which in this context means whether you have been written about in sufficient depth by enough independent, reliable sources. I'm on the fence about that at the moment - looking at the ones currently in the article, I see that the BBC and Miami New Times ones aren't really about you per se - they mention you, but they don't have much information about you. The Miami Herald is behind a paywall, so I can't comment on those two pieces; and the other source is a blog post, so not great. If better sources don't come to light, I wouldn't be surprised if a consensus emerged to delete.
 * I hope this all makes sense. If there is anything in the article as it stands that you think is a breach of our BLP policy (if there is something that you consider defamatory, or is not supported by the sources), let me know. Please log into your account when responding though, so I can be sure that it is you - your last two comments above have come from an IP address, so I'm guessing you just weren't logged in. Best, Girth Summit  (blether)  11:24, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a friend of mine, Kris DeLaney, who knows me very well, and he said he would attempt to edit my Wikipedia page with reliable information sources in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. If that doesn't satisfy Wikipedia then I will ask that the page be deleted permanently. Whoever decided to write it didn't even come remotely close to describing my life's work, much less my credentials. For instance, I have received numerous awards, including receiving an honorary Doctor of Science degree from Florida International University. I gave the Keynote Address at the 2008 World Orchid Conference in Miami, and am a popular speaker throughout Florida. The author of the original Wikipedia page about me doesn't even have a good command of the English language and writes like a high school dropout...such as "back in the 1960s when Miami's mayor launched planned for a Paris Air Show type event at the facility." It should be "plans" not "planned." I'll wait to see my friend's edits and hope they satisfy the higher powers. Thanks for your help. 2601:584:4100:9430:F50F:B87B:34BC:5BD0 (talk) 23:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Your friend should not be editing the article either - they too have a WP:COI, all the guidance I have given to you also applies to them. I agree with you that the article is currently in pretty poor shape, but do remember that everything in it needs to be reliably sourced. Girth Summit  (blether)  13:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I sent my friend Kris articles from the Miami Herald, the quarterly journal of the Florida Native Plant Society, and other news media for him to reference so they would be noted as reliable sources. I'll have him go ahead and post them and hope they pass the strict rules of Wikipedia. If this doesn't work then I will move forward with getting the page deleted permanently. 2601:584:4100:9430:1CB8:8459:B979:7565 (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Please ask your friend to disclose their relationship with you by following the guidance at WP:COI, and to use edit requests rather than making their contributions directly. I genuinely don't want to have to block another account from editing the page, but if they don't follow our policies and guidelines then I will be left with little choice. Best Girth Summit  (blether)  18:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Girth...Accept this as your official notice that I am requesting that the Wikipedia page on me be permanently deleted. It is far from accurate regarding my professional life and achievements, and many of my friends have commented negatively about it. I do not know the person who posted it and I have since learned that I am not allowed to edit my own page because it is a "conflict of interest," which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What you're saying is that I cannot be a reliable source of information on myself, yet some homeless guy living under a bridge with a stolen laptop is. So, I have already spoken to two attorneys and am poised to file lawsuits against the person who posted it as well as you and Wikipedia if that is what it takes to get it deleted. Have a nice day. 2601:584:4100:9430:C05D:4E89:C23E:93C9 (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)