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December 27, 2019 - April 18, 2021

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Assistance on a dispute on a page
Hi. I found you on the Editor assistance page. I was wondering if you could help me understand a situation?

At the page "Look At Her Now (Selena Gomez song)", an editor (Ss112) labeled it as a second single. I changed it one time to having it be a "promotional single" rather than second single, and this person reverted my changes. In the message that was sent to me, it was said that I should go to their talk page to discuss the content dispute with this user, which I did. Though I did not have reliable sources at the time, it was still one of my reasoning's. And despite the reasoning I had, this user deleted my entire message on their talk page and stated "I'm not insisting anything other than you and your three other edits (smells like a sock to me) and anyone else concerned get consensus on an article talk page and stop coming to my user talk page (not the place to get consensus) because you were reverted for repeated contentious changes. I'm not interested". I'm not sure if I had edited the post 3 times or if he was referring to other people who had come to his talk page before to discuss the same thing.

I wasn't necessarily mad that he deleted my message. It was more of a feeling of if he isn't interested, he should not be changing the page if he doesn't care enough to look at what I have to say.

But I decided to go on the talk page of the "Look at Her Now" article and I gave an actual video of the singer directly saying in the video that "Look at Her Now" was not the second single. I gave the video title and the time-stamp. I did a few revisions on it because I was letting my anger get the best of me, and in the first version, I had also stated that the Billboard article which was used as a source for the labeled "second single" (at the time) was not reliable as it had not directly called "Look at Her Now" a second single and that the other articles used (Pitchfork, Rolling Stone) were not reliable either as they were all secondary sources. Another editor (CountyCountry) talked to me and told me that they were reliable and referenced in a lot of Wikipedia pages, but that since I did have an actual source of the singer herself saying that "Look at Her Now" was not a second single, that it would be changed to a promotional single (which it was for a while).

User Ss112 had reverted the changes after a few days. About a week later (yesterday), I decided to do my research and I had found that Billboard, Pitchfork, and Rolling Stone were not necessarily reliable. I had written in a new comment on the talk page that the sources that called "Look at Her Now" a single (Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, and though not necessarily Billboard, it was also used as a source) were the same sources that called "Imagine" by Ariana Grande and "The Light is Coming" by Ariana Grande the second singles of their respective albums when in fact, they were only promotional singles and are only labeled as promotional singles here on Wikipedia.

These secondary sources that he has used have shown to be unreliable when it comes to what is considered a second single and a promotional single. He can not be selective when it comes to what song is an official single or promotional single for artists if the same sources that call "Look at Her Now" a single/second single are the same sources that called "The Light is Coming" and "Imagine" singles/second singles of their respective albums when they are actually promotional singles and listed as such on their respective Wikipedia articles. If he's going to label "Look at Her Now" as a second single, then the same should be done to "Imagine" and "The Light is Coming" to be fair. If he wants to put in the energy to keep changing "Look at Her Now" as a second single despite telling me that he was "not interested" in what I have to say about the contents of "Look at Her Now", he should not be editing the page and forcing the term "second single" on the page when he fails to give me a reliable source calling it a second single that hasn't been wrong before.

I have a primary source of the singer herself directly saying that "Look at Her Now" is not a second single. I said that we should only use secondary sources if we don't have primary sources, but we have a primary source. He told me that there has to be a group consensus but in my opinion, the fact of the matter is, there doesn't need to be one when the singer herself directly confirmed that "Look at Her Now" was not a second single. Do we really need to argue whether or not the singer of the song saying that "Look at Her Now" is not the second single is reliable? She's clearly right. There's no consensus needed when it came directly from her. She has also never directly called "Look at Her Now" a single but rather said it was a gift. Even her label Interscope Records never called or inferred "Look at Her Now" was a second single.

I have evidence for my claims. I have a primary source directly saying that "Look at Her Now" is not a second single. He has absolutely no reliable sources for his "second single" claim, and yet he's asking for a general consensus when there shouldn't need to be one when an official statement has been made that it is indeed not the second single. He has also ignored my reasoning's three times and just said that I needed a consensus when no one has disagreed with my evidence yet. I am absolutely disgusted at his behavior because of how much power he has on a page when he claimed that he was "not interested" in these issues. Action needs to be taken because this is absolutely disgusting and such a waste of time, but I don't want this fake information on "Look at Her Now" to go unnoticed. If you look at the changes, there are many people who have changed it to being a promotional single as Selena Gomez herself stated that "Look at Her Now" was just a gift for fans in interviews and such when she released it, and now she's recently confirmed that it is not the second single.

Go on the "Look at Her Now" page, and you won't even see a reference to the "second single" claim. There is absolutely no reliable source that claims "Look at Her Now" as the second single but there's a primary source that claims "Look at Her Now" to not be a second single, and yet we have to stick with the second single claim? Wikipedia is about giving information to the best of our knowledge. It's not about giving false knowledge, and the fact that one of the big editors refuses to listen to a primary source is disgusting for his work ethic on Wikipedia.

She will be releasing her second single in the next two weeks which will require a change of "Look at Her Now" becoming a promotional single instead of the second single, but I'd rather not let ignorance run its course. I feel like we need to change it to a promotional single now and stop being ignorant on the situation. This is a mixture of an editor that won't listen to reasoning and also having unreliable sources.

I'm sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place. I'm new to Wikipedia and the only contribution I wanted to make was to the "Look at Her Now" page. But I need assistance in understanding if I'm wrong for disputing their secondary claims which has shown to be contradictory compared to my primary claim. Deast7 (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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