User talk:Gleaman

Large number of category edits
Please be aware that your addition of is causing the normal usage of our category system to be bypassed, for example, here. The articles you are tagging are already in a hierarchy of specialized categories that ultimately leads up to the same thing,. It would save work for some other people if you are willing to discuss your additions at WT:Categories for discussion. Editors there will be able to advise whether your new edits make sense.

I took the liberty of undoing the redirect of your talk page to User talk:Slavik1990. I imagine that such a redirect would keep you from getting the orange banner when you receive messages. I suspect that you actually have two accounts now (both the old and the new), and the redirect makes things confusing. EdJohnston (talk) 04:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Some other tips
Hi, the same as the above goes for categories like "philosophical literature", which contains "philosophical journals". So an article tagged with "philosophical journals" therefore falls automatically under "philosophical literature". I am slowly cleaning up top categories like "academic journals" (which ideally should be empty, all its entries having been categorized more exactly), so please don't add any journals to that category any more. When creating an article about a journal, if you omit the "language" field from an infobox, this will default to "English", with the correct wikilink. Do not link to journal, this is a disambiguation page. Instead, you should use either academic journal of scientific journal, as the case may be. Sometimes there are even more specific articles available, such as mathematical journal. Hope this helps. Do not hesitate to drop a note on my talk page if you need any help. --Crusio (talk) 09:13, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

International journal for/of applied philosophy
Hi again, in cases like this, the easiest way to handle this is to move a page, by clicking the "move" tab on top of a page. That way, the edit history is conserved (important for the open access license) and a redirect is automatically created. I will undo your changes in "for" and request speedy deletion of "of", so that this move can be made correctly. Happy editing! --Crusio (talk) 12:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

American Journal of Semiotics
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Philosophy Research Archives
Hi, I think you should move this to Journal of Philosophical Research and make it a subsection ("History") of an article on the journal under its current title. Unless there is enough material to justify two separate articles, I think that in general we should keep the information on a journal under its different titles together. --Crusio (talk) 22:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Philosophy Documentation Center
Hi, this article is starting to look a bit like a catalog, which is something that is discouraged on WP (see WP:ISNOT). I don't think there are any "list" type articles dedicated to the journals from one single publishers, but one thing you might do is create a category for "Journals published by..." and categorize all journals with that particular category (see Category:Academic journals by publisher). --Crusio (talk) 12:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Understood - we intend to reorganize this and provide more explanatory information this week. Thanks once again for your careful attention.

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Journal covers
I re-tagged the journal covers that you uploaded. As far as I can see, these covers were not made by "George Leaman", although the scans may have been. But even that is not enough on WP, because anybody can say they are a certain person, but that is not necessarily true (I'm not accusing you of lying, please don't get me wrong, just arguing from a -necessarily- legalese point of view). In addition, this is not necessary, because there is something like "fair use". You may need to give some more justification for the use of these cover images, though. See the cover of Genes, Brain and Behavior for an example (I always use that as a template myself when I upload a cover image). --Crusio (talk) 20:52, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please tell me why you are continuing to upload covers under Creative Commons licenses, despite my note above? Perhaps you can provide a link to a statement confirming that these covers are "a public domain journal cover image and not protected by copyright"? I have not been able to find anything like that on the website of these journals. Thanks. --Crusio (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Crusio, thanks as always for your careful attention. I looked at the Genes, Brain and Behavior cover image files you referenced and I did not recognize information that would be sufficient to satisfy WP's legal requirement (with are not clear to us, but with which we want to cooperate). I have clarified that I am the author of the file (not the cover design), and since these are low res images indended to make the title and their contents more widely recognized this satisfies our understanding of fair use. Our intention is to facilitate sharing - tell me which license you find appropriate. Gleaman (talk) 14:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what I expected, that you made the files, but not the images. For each cover, you should copy the contents of the G2B cover image and change the information given there, so that it matches the particular cover you are interested in (i.e., the journal name, the original website where you found the image, etc). For the license, you should use the "fair use" template that is used for G2B (and that I put on some of the images that you uploaded yesterday). Hope this helps. --Crusio (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Crusio, thanks. Your refernce to the "fair use template" for Genes, Brain and Behavior is not clear to me. Are you referring to info referenced at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G2Bcover.jpg? Gleaman (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the one I'm talking about. Just click edit, copy everything and paste it to the cover you want to "regularize", changing the G2B info to the info pertaining to the cover you're dealing with. I have to leave now, if you still have trouble, I can do one for you as an example tomorrow. --Crusio (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Philosopher's Index and related problems
I'm an admin here very much concerned with improving our coverage on the traditional humanities. In the course of things, my attention was called to the article on  Richard H. Lineback; this proved to be an exact copy from the website http://philinfo.org/about/ and I accordingly had no choice but to delete it--although he is certainly eminent enough that there should be an article. The article on its publisher Philosopher's Information Center, is in large party also copyvio, copied from their website--it will need to be extensively rewritten. These two articles were submitted by the user Philindex -- as corporate user names are not acceptable, the user has been blocked by another administrator.

I assume you are George Leaman, the director of the center, according to its web site. Even should this not be the case, the problems below will be the same.

Philosophy Research Index, Philosophy Documentation Center, were written by you. They certainly seem as if substantial parts were taken from previously published material, though I have not checked yet to find out where. Please review them to make sure. If you wish to use such material, you must explicitly license the rights to the material according to our licensing, using the CC-BY-SA and the GNU  licenses, as explained in WP:COPYRIGHT and WP:Donating copyrighted materials; be aware that these licenses  give everyone in the world an irrevocable license to reuse and alter the material, even for commercial purposes.   Normally it is better not to do so;  the over-formal style of most such material is not appropriate here. As a general rule, a suitable page will be best written by someone without Conflict of Interest; it's not impossible to do it properly with a conflict of interest, but it's relatively more difficult: you are automatically thinking in terms of what the subject wishes to communicate to the public, but an uninvolved person will think in terms of what the public might wish to know. Among the things that the public wants to know when they look for information about your center in a encyclopedia is not a complete list of the publications to which you provide access--they will naturally go to your web site for this. page, you should say whom you are working for.

As particular problems:

The PDC article contains a long list of journals and other publications. We very rarely include a list of publications in the article on a publisher: the proper place for this is their web site. Personally, I am inclined to be quite flexible when it comes to  the traditional humanities, but the list there is likely to be challenged. And some things must be removed: First, we  never include a list of the journals hosted by a particular site, in contrast to those published. Please remove from the list the ones that are published elsewhere, and change the text to indicate this. I can do this, but you can do this more easily. A list limited to the journals  they publish will be much easier to defend, & I will try to defend it, though I cannot predict what the consensus will be. We also never include a list of monographs and miscellaneous [publications. Those portions of the list will need to be removed, with the exception of any that are particularly notable; I think a list of notable reference books might possibly be defensible, and I will try to defend this also, though I am quite unsure I would succeed. The principle here is WP:DIRECTORY

The list of organization for which you provide service is quite unsuitable by any standard: it would be considered purely promotional content, and I have removed it.

The information on Philosopher's Index in the encyclopedia is not consistent: is it published by the PDC, or by the PIC? What is the difference between the two organizations? The articles are totally unclear about this. And what is the difference between the PI and the PRI? Is the PrI expected to replace the PI, or to be a more comprehensive index including less formal material, or a supplemental product including only less formal material? This also needs to be explained. I can undoubtedly find this out, but you can do it much more quickly.

I see my colleague here Crusio, with whom I have long worked on academic journals, has given you similar advice a few months earlier. Everything he has said is quite correct, and you need to follow it. The files that have been deleted, can be restored with the correct licenses. We do include covers of periodicals, but they must be called fair use, not given a CC license unless you can prove you are the copyright holder of the image or authorized to do so, and do it according to the formal rules at WP:DCM--labeling them as fair use is very much easier.

I look forward to cooperating with you for improving our content in this area. As a research librarian myself, I know the benefits of cooperative work--which, indeed, is why I am here, and why I have been working on academic  material here for over four years now. Please feel free to enter into a discussion here, or on my web page, or by email to dgoodman at Princeton.  DGG ( talk ) 05:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I see that you have added "indexed by Google Scholar" to a bunch of journal articles. GS is trying very hard (and succeeding reasonably well) to be all-inclusive, so mentioning in an article that a journal is "indexed by Google Scholar" is absolutely trivial. That is why this is never mentioned in any article on any academic journal. (I routinely remove this -like DOAJ or OCLC- from listings in journal articles). It's like saying that Barack Obama is included on Google... Perhaps you can self-revert these additions. Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 21:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the feedback. It may be trivial for open access content, but I assure you that it is not trivial for content that is not open access. We listed Google Scholar because it shows that the programming work has been done to make this possible, which is relevant information about the journal (particularly for authors). I understand and agree about DOAJ and OCLC, or any other service that makes no requirement of the journal itself. Gleaman (talk)
 * I disagree, being not indexed by GS would perhaps be something worth mentioning, but being indexed by GS is nowadays about as trivial as saying that the editors are humans... --Guillaume2303 (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying as a matter of Google Scholar policy - they'd like to cover all scholarly materials they can reach in electronic format. I explained that it was not trivial to allow Google Scholar to cover content that is not open access, in this case subscription based publications. I meant fulltext indexing, which means access to the entire content. This is easy if a journal is open access but not easy if the journal has to rely on subscriptions or memberships to cover its costs. What makes it hard is the need to prevent fulltext display by programming a redirect on all hits to the same landing page. Not all subscription based electronic journals in philosophy are set up to do this, which is what makes it notable. Gleaman (talk) I agree that it's trivial in STM journals but I think you are over generalizing. In philosophy, as in many other humanities fields, the development of online access has lagged because there is so much less money involved than in STM publishing. A related effect of this is evident in the traditional indexing services that cover only a fraction of the existing literature. For example, my colleagues at CNRS/INIST have several times told me that the selectivity of their coverage is due in large part to the limits of their budgets. Same is true at Thompson/ISI, or even Scopus, much less them many specialized indexing services. They can't afford to cover everything they'd like to cover. Google can. So as a consequence it is not listed? I'm not talknig about Google Books - just Google Scholar. Gleaman (talk)
 * I hear you, but doing this kind of things is what you may expect from any halfway serious publisher. Setting up a website with access restricted to subscribers only must involve some non-trivial programming, too, yet that is not something that we add to articles on publishers or journals either. If there is a publisher somewhere out there who is unable to have GS cover its journals (and there are reliable sources for this), that would perhaps worth mentioning in an article. But the fact that a journal has a website or is indexed in GS is absolutely trivial: Even though the programming effort behind it is not trivial, it's standard in modern journal publishing. Fifteen years ago it was noteworthy if a journal was available online; nowadays it is becoming noteworthy if a journal is available in print only... --Guillaume2303 (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We list things that are of importance for the subject of the article in question. DOAJ tries to include all OA journals, so it is not selective and as a consequence, inclusion in it is almost automatic and doesn't say much about a journal. Same for GS. Other databases, for whatever reasons, are more selective and therefore being included in them does say something meaningful about a journal, hence that is something worthy of note in an article about that journal. If we write a biography of an academic, we don't mention that their faculty page can be found on Google, either. But if they can be found in ISI Highly Cited, then that should be mentioned. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 06:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Business Ethics Journal Review
I didn't see a copy of it anywhere- did you mean the Business and Professional Ethics Journal? As far as that article goes... offhand I'd suggest finding sources that aren't primary. By WP:PRIMARY I mean that the only two sources on the article are from the journal itself. The problem is that primary sources can never show notability since they're written by the journal itself and/or hosted on their website. Primary sources can be used to back up small details, but not anything else. For example, if the journal won an award you'd have to find something other than their website to back that up. That was the only big thing I saw for that.

I've moved a copy of the BEJR into your userspace at User:Gleaman/Business Ethics Journal Review. Now as far as that goes, you have to show where it's considered to be notable per WP:NJOURNAL. It's pretty new, so it has that against it when it comes to finding sources. Academic journals related stuff usually takes a while to start gaining sources unless it's something particularly attention grabbing. The only source on the article was a primary source, as it was written by the people who started the journal. The thing to remember is that even though this journal reviews notable journals, that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by that fact. Think of it this way: a newspaper can write about a famous actor, but they don't gain notability by that fact. As far as promotional content goes, it wasn't anything major- the big reason I deleted it was because it didn't show that it had any notability, but the phrase "established to support continuing commentary and criticism of scholarly material" kind of rang a few warning signals. I don't think it wouldn't have been so bad if not for the lack of sourcing. In any case, it's in your userspace so you can continue to work on it. I didn't offhand see enough sourcing out there to really show that it could be in the mainspace yet, but there's nothing that says that you can't keep it in your userspace. I should've thought of moving it there beforehand, so I apologize for that. Normally I'm better about remembering to do that. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The speedy deletion caused confusion for me too. I didn’t have a copy of the final listing as submitted - my mistake. My understanding has been that Wikipedia should be a complete reference source, and I created the listing with this in mind. The source I provided included an ISSN, OCLC cataloging record, and Library of Congress control number. Should I only create listings for “notable” journals? If so I’d appreciate more info about this. In listings for other journals I’ve listed notable authors and these lists are generally (not always) deleted. I’ve now rewritten the entry and don’t know how to proceed. Should I post in my user space for your review and approval? Gleaman (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, articles should only be created for notable journals. If they meet WP:GNG, great. If not, many will still meet WP:NJournals. Lists of authors who have published in a journal generally get deleted (and should be deleted) per the journal article writing guide and WP:NOTINHERITED.


 * I’ve rewritten the entry and posted it in my user space for your review. Is this version OK? It explains the journal's purpose, which is notable in this field.Gleaman (talk) 13:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I’ve rewritten the entry and posted it in my user space for your review. Is this version OK? It explains the journal's purpose, which is notable in this field.Gleaman (talk) 13:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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User:Gleaman/Business Ethics Journal Review
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Proposed deletion of Arendt Studies


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Thanks, I had not seen these changes. I am not paid for this work but I understand the concern.Gleaman (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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