User talk:Gligan/Archives/2019/November

Gabriel of Lesnovo
He can not be called Bulgarian in the lead, no matter of our views. Per MOS: Lead no ethnicity can be in the lead and he was born in the Byzantine Empire, not Bulgarian! The source can be copied to a part about Bulgaria.  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  10:42, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Many Bulgarians and Serbs were born in the Byzantine and later the Ottoman Empire but this is not a reason not to include Bulgarian/Serbian in the lead. There are numerous examples, like Jerotej Račanin, who was born in the Ottoman Empire and yet the lead states he was a Serbian writer, etc. The Oxford Dictorionary of Byzantium states of Gabriel of Lesnovo the following: "Bulgarian hermit and saint; born Osiče, near Kriva Palanka, fl. 11th - early 12th c..." Regards, Gligan (talk) 10:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That is no argument. Lead on Račanin should be changed as well as Gabriel of Lesnovo. It is basic MOS: Lead. I could add Serbian sources which are calling him a Serbian and that would get us nowhere.  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  11:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)