User talk:Gnoctis

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Hello, Gnoctis, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you created or edited appears to be an article about yourself. Creating an autobiography is a common mistake made by new Wikipedians—as this is an encyclopedia, we wouldn't expect to have an article about every contributor.

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I don't understand why the page I was working on was deleted. I hadn't even finished editing it and was saving to work on it later. I read the articles linked above and none state that a self-written page isn't allowed, but simply discouraged because most people can't write without bias. Having been a technical writer for over a decade, this isn't an issue for me. Needless to say, the point of the wiki article was to have a wiki page source, just like other bands and musicians do, such as Hippie Sabotage, Odesza, etc. As far as I'm aware I didn't violate any ToS or wiki rules in my page's creation, so it shouldn't have been outright deleted before it was even finished. Gnoctis (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Having been a technical writer for over a decade, this isn't an issue for me. You'd be surprised how wrong this statement is. Part of being a good Wikipedia editor is learning to suppress your biases, and this is something that even professional writers, technical or otherwise, struggle with, as shown by the many, many spam deletions where the creators have claimed they were just "providing information", etc. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 15:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Understandable, but unless someone wants to point out where and how I was being biased in the article I was writing, it read neutral as far as I'm aware. As neutral as the Hippie Sabotage and Odesza pages do, because those were my guides when writing. Unless neither of those pages are neutral and require edits, or swift deletion. Now, if I recreate the Gnoctis page is it simply going to be deleted again without an explanation? Knee jerk deletions automatically assume the writer is incapable of writing their own page. Gnoctis (talk) 16:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, you're capable of writing your own page. Unfortunately, there are numerous other problems that aren't related to your competence as a writer:
 * In order to have a standalone article, a subject needs to meet our notability guidelines; in this case, Notability (music) applies;
 * If you were hired to write the article, you must disclose it, see WP:PAID;
 * All content within an article needs to be verifiable using reliable sources, see Reliable sources; I can't see the deleted page but insufficient sourcing was given as one of the reasons the article ended up deleted (log entry) so I'm going to take the deleting admin's word for it and assume your draft was lacking in that department.
 * If you require further feedback, I'd suggest contacting the deleting admin directly via their talk page: User talk:Jimfbleak. 78.28.44.31 (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "Editing a biography about yourself is acceptable only if you are removing unambiguous vandalism or clear-cut and serious violations of our biography of living persons policy." (From WP:AUTOBIO)  Bsoyka  ( talk &middot;  contribs ) 17:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it. So it's just a matter of not meeting the "not important enough to discuss" criteria outlined in wiki guidelines. I'll recreate the page after some press.Gnoctis (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's just that, but notability is definitely a hurdle that needs to be cleared as first order of business as it's the only issue that can't be resolved through editing. 78.28.44.31 (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)