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Thanks for removing the "Read more" link from Bob Filner. I'm not sure if you know this, but that gets automatically appended to text copied from certain Web pages (by a program called Tynt). When you see it, make sure the text it's next to isn't a copyvio before you remove it (in this case it wasn't). Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Jackmcbarn. Thanks for the note. I'm familiar with Tynt. I usually find the "read more" links embedded in references, a result of cutting and pasting article titles. I'll be sure to double check that the text next to it isn't a copyvio though. Gobōnobō  + c 02:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Southern strategy
Please take a look at this article. My comments are on the talk page. I believe you've been involved in some of the edits, and I'd like some feedback in trying to clean up this article, make it more objective. My talk page comments are here --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Southern_strategy#Weak_intro.2C_maybe_even_a_one-sided_slant 10stone5 (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Pork-knocker
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Excuse me, and not to be rude, but who are you to judge if my edits are constructive or vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CraicMamaWeyHey (talk • contribs) 07:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Also, band member Ashton Irwin tweeted on the 5 Seconds of Summer twitter account that he was laughing at his Wikipedia page. https://twitter.com/5sos/status/366771658133999617 He found the whole ordeal comical. And also, my '5sauce' edit was referring to what said member, Ashton, calls the band. I feel that there was no need for you to undo what I had done. I find no harm in any of my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CraicMamaWeyHey (talk • contribs) 07:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dear Gobonobo, You have no right to push people around the way you are doing so. You are not the person to be blocking anyone from editing if they have proof especially if it's given proof that everyone acknowledges. You will be blocked from a Wikipedia Supervisor(Myself) or someone else with authority if these non-rightful actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DturkS1917 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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99.252.174.129
LOL you're ridiculous. LEAVE IT THE WAY I HAD IT, I WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE IT NO MATTER WHAT. It is a true fact and there is proof. Look at the stats you idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.174.129 (talk) 02:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly editing an article to call someone the worst player in history is a violation of our biography of living persons policy. Gobōnobō  + c 23:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Whoops--didn't mean to delete that infobox on Gap Creek. I think that was a VisualEditor accidental delete that I didn't even realize I made. Thanks for catching and reverting it, Jami430 (talk) 18:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I figured it was a mistake. It is very easy to delete infoboxes with the Visual Editor. Gobōnobō  + c 23:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Anna de Bremont
I suppose it is more or less ready. I found so much conflicting information (obviously, she was something of a self-mythologist) that I pretty much abandoned it, but looking at it agin, I think its probably as good as anything you'll find on her anywhere else.Actually, I think I'll move it myself Ruskinmonkey. (talk) 10:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it looks great. Thank you for starting the article. Gobōnobō  + c 19:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Intro to African American Studies
Hi!! I believe you have edited a page I created and a couple of pages I've visited. I am teaching a class at Penn State University called Intro to African American Studies and I'd like my students to edit and eventually create pages to add to the African American section of wikipedia. Would you be interested in working with me and my students? We meet MWF 11:15-12:05pm EST. Might you be interested in supporting our class this semester?

Best,

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 * Hi Moyazb. I've sent you a reply via email. If you haven't already, I invite you to check out the Education Program page, which has some good advice on designing Wikipedia assignments. Gobōnobō  + c 00:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Burka Avenger revertion
Hi,

I just need your help to make the Burka Avenger page more factual and include information from other sources than the one that are mentioned here. The criticism has been mentioned but the acknowledgements are missing. Can you please help me, as I tried editing the page but was unable to give it an objective feel. I need your help to add some references here.

Best

Ayso21


 * Hi Ayso21. I'd be happy to try and help. I reverted the changes you made to the Burka Avenger article mostly because it read like ad copy and due to the inclusion of promotional language, peacock words, and poor grammar. You seem to have deleted all of the sourced critical commentary and replaced it with a glowing reception section without any inline citations. As such, your changes did not seem to adhere to the neutral point of view policy. Some of the wikilinks that you placed in the article were also problematic, as you linked to unrelated terms such as the Wearside Football League, Glider (sailplane), and Series (mathematics). We also don't link everyday words understood by most readers (see WP:OVERLINK). I understand that you want to include more of the positive commentary that the series has received. The references you added at the end of the article are a good start and we could probably incorporate some of them into the reception section. If you would like to help improve the article, I would suggest proposing changes on the talk page or starting out by making small, incremental changes. Let me know how I can help. Gobōnobō  + c 22:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your reply Gobonobol. I would like to add some references to the article along with the points that have already been mentioned there. I am not aware of wiki rules as you can probably make out so would request you to add the citations and references. The truth is that while the Tv series has received critical analysis, it has been positively received internationally and none of those facts are mentioned here. I just want to make sure some of those references are also cited in.

I am listing the suggestions here. Should I also put up the suggestion on the Page's talk section? What's the best way to go about it?

Suggestions:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/58003/burka-avenger-can-this-superhero-save-pakistan

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/08/12/2451131/burka-avenger-superheroes/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/13/the-burka-avenger-of-pakistan-justice-peace-and-education-for-all/

http://www.biscuitsandbanarsi.com/?p=1813&preview=true

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/08/12/2451131/burka-avenger-superheroes/

http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2013/08/17/the-curious-case-of-burka-avenger/#comment-

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-195612-Meeting-Burka-Man

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/sexandgender/7248/_burka_avenger__pakistan_s_middle_class_gets_a_feminist_cartoon/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/08/07/the-ridiculous-burka-avenger-backlash.html

http://www.themarysue.com/burka-avenger-first-episode/

Best

Ayso21


 * Thank you Ayso. I've started a discussion on the Burka Avenger talk page for this and listed the suggestions there. I welcome your input. Gobōnobō  + c 21:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Gobonobol. I have added my suggestions on the page. I really appreciate your help, if you could please guide me or make the changes yourself, I would be grateful. (Ayso21 (talk) 12:14, 31 August 2013 (UTC)) Ayso21

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
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Global Youth Studies Page
All I can say is WOW!!! Very nice!!! Many, many kudos and thanks!!! I'm going to send out to the students right away!!! Do I have enough exclamation points? Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 19:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, can you provide a reference for the birth year of Xenia Shestova? Most sources state the year as missing. I have looked in the net but could only find 1560 as her birth year on blogs and wikipedia clones Alex Bakharev (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. This link includes everything the reference had to say about her birth. I didn't see anything that would indicate what source they were using for the year though. The copy of Women in World History that I'm working from is 2001, so at least we can be sure that the date didn't come from a Wikipedia clone. Gobōnobō  + c 00:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Gobonobo. I've checked the international Oxford Dictionary of English and it just says "authoress" is "a female author". It does not list it as archaic. And it seems a pity that in an era when we're trying to use gender-free instead of masculine-dominated language when we refer to both sexes, we can't use gender-specific (especially female) language when it's appropriate. Let's celebrate gender! Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Bermicourt. I seem to have posted simultaneously on your talk page. I know for British English, feminine forms haven't gone as far down a dysphemism cycle, but I'm basing these changes off of Wikipedia's Manual of Style, WP:MODERNLANG, and WP:GENDER. Virtually every appearance of 'authoress' in Wikipedia is redundant, as the gender of the author is already apparent. Unfortunately, this term has acquired a rather derogatory tinge, so rather than celebrating gender, it becomes a symbol of inequality. Gobōnobō  + c 19:29, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see this book, which clearly outlines how this term is archaic. Gobōnobō  + c 19:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Your reference is specifically American, whereas the ODE is international. Gender-neutral language is entirely reasonable when referring to both sexes and is taking over the historic use of e.g. "man" for "man and woman" or where professions like "fireman" now admit women, so we call them "firefighters". But it's unnecessary and sounds like political correctness or even feminist if we can't accept internationally recognised gender-specific terms like authoress being applied to female writers. However, don't worry I'm not planning to revert all your other changes; that's up to you to discuss with the editors of those pages. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I note that the Oxford Dictionary of English lists the similar term "poetess" as 'dated'. That passage I linked is identical to that which appears in The Oxford Dictionary of American Usage and Style (section D), which does indeed note that British English is more hospitable to those forms. But it also says, "words ending in -ess such as poetess and authoress are mostly archaic... at some point they acquired a derogatory tinge, and they've never been the same. The quite understandable tendency has been to avoid sex-specific terms if the person's sex is beside the point. And it usually is beside the point when identifying a poet, an author, or a waiter." On any of the articles where you reverted my changing of 'authoress' to 'author', is the feminine form necessary? I think your reversions are not supported by policy and am disappointed that something so trivial "sounds like political correctness or even feminist" to your ears. Gobōnobō  + c 20:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, but this is nothing to do with British English despite the view posited in the Dictionary of American Usage and Style. The ODE is international, recognizing all the dozen or so important regional variations of English, and clearly indicates if a word is regional. It does not indicate "authoress" as archaic or regional in usage, so you can hardly blame me for using the word in context when it is referring to a female writer. BTW the reason I use it is because I translate articles from German and they use the feminine form Authorin. That, of course, does not justify the use of "authoress" in English - I'm just explaining that I have no hidden agenda here; actually I am a genuine supporter of equality.
 * I guess we take different views, but as both viewpoints are based on authoritative sources, we should not prefer one version over the other in this case. Bermicourt (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and checked out the OED to see what they had to say about 'authoress'. It said that the term is now used "only when sex is purposely emphasized; otherwise, ...author is now used of both sexes." So, while the OED doesn't indicate whether or not the term is archaic, it is prescriptive about the manner in which it is used. On those articles where you have reverted me, I continue to believe that the gender-neutral 'author' is more appropriate, both according to the OED and WP:GNL/WP:MODLANG.
 * I am glad that you are a genuine supporter of equality and don't at all blame you for using the term - it's clear that gender-marking is approached differently in German and I don't want to diminish the importance of your contributions, especially the translations. Because it interests me, I've started a table over at User:Gobonobo/feminine forms to document instances of the marked feminine form in Wikipedia and I would welcome your feedback. Gobōnobō  + c 23:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I see you're working on a gender gap project. If there are any key articles on German Wikipedia that you would like translating, I'm willing to have a go (if they're not tooooo long!) HTH. Bermicourt (talk) 22:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bermicourt! That's a very kind offer. I would be just tickled to see an article on the English Wikipedia for the Flying Lesbians. They're a lesser known musical group, but important within lesbian music history. Gobōnobō  + c 22:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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I teach courses as part of the education program and many of my students are interested in providng missing content relating to women and feminist concerns, neglected LGBT issues, and on other neglected topics relating to gender and human rights issues. Would it be ok if I direct some student queries to you? Thanks! DStrassmann (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I've been pleased to see the progress that your classes have made in previous semesters. The talk pages for WikiProject Feminism and WikiProject Gender Studies may also be good places to send students with questions. Gobōnobō  + c 21:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Gobonobo, just a note to thank you for setting up User:Gobonobo/feminine forms‎. I was really surprised recently to see someone change "television host Ellen Degeneres" to "television hostess." So thank you for working on this. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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