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Hello i can't seem to find the link anymore, was it deleted? if so can you restart it so we can get to the bottom of this? I was away on business the week this thread was started so i couldn't answer. --Goddard2000 20:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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Didn't know accounts made 1 hour ago could make such demands)) --Goddard2000 (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * , It could be that I've missed the prompt for adding this DS notice, but Chechnya's in the Caucasus not the Balkans. Cabayi (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


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Im sorry i dont exactly understand what you mean Cabayi, you want my signature after a post on a talk page to look like this? > --Goddard2000 (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * No, like this, Goddard2000 (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not about the look, it's about where it links to. It should link to your (non-existent) userpage, not to a non-existent article. - Cabayi (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I've just noticed that the timestamps are wrong by an hour too. How are you signing? You are using 4 tildes ~ aren't you? Cabayi (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Cabayi Ah right, yes sometimes i forget to write in the timestamp, still getting a hang of this. Oh so i have to add "User:" before? alright thanks for explaining. - Goddard2000 (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * If you just use 4 tildes the software does it all for you. Your current method is out by an hour - Special:Diff/1014339117. Cabayi (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * This is very odd, shouldn't i write down the time when i post it? Right now on my watch its 16:47 so when i post this shouldn't i write down 16:48? what is "tildes"? - Goddard2000 (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * No, the software interprets tildes ~ when it saves your edit and adds the timestamp in UTC, not the local time on your watch -
 * → Cabayi (talk)
 * ~ → Cabayi (talk) 16:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * 4 tildes will sign your talk page post for you, Cabayi (talk) 16:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Goddard2000 (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC) Alright let me try here, Cabayi is it good now? - Goddard2000 (talk) 17:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Oops, should have put the tildes at the end like so Goddard2000 (talk) 16:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You've got it! Cabayi (talk) 16:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Yes i am aware of all of this now Johnuniq, Thank you Goddard2000 (talk) 00:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Good. I noted at ANI that I might have been premature above. Johnuniq (talk) 01:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Meticulo I used it at first but then noticed some errors and typos after i already edited in the previous edits. Thank you nonetheless, ill be sure to fully review my edits before i post them. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * No problems at all - I've made the same mistake myself. And apologies for posting the warning when you already know about the preview button. Meticulo (talk) 17:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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So i can only add in the external link that he's a Chechen sportman if i have a source that confirms he is an ethnic Chechen? Because there are plenty of sources of him being Chechen and defining as Chechen. Where would i have to put the source to add this external link? Goddard2000 (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read the pages I linked to. The inclusion of ethnicity needs to be supported by sources meeting the reliable sourcing criteria, the source should also indicate that the individual identifies with the ethnicity and that it is a defining characteristic of the individual. The instructions for adding sources to content can be found at Help:Referencing for beginners.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 23:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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I see, Could an article be used? such as this one https://chechnyatoday.com/news/345346 which is a news article that reported on the Head of the Chechen republic Ramzan Kadyrov congratulating 4 Chechen wrestlers (one of whom is Zagir)?. Here is another source which is from the Chechen republic main news station https://grozny.tv/news/sport/42913 says he is an ethnic Chechen. Goddard2000 (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, those sources are OK. I added them and returned the category. --User:Tomcat7 (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, i appreciate it Goddard2000 (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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Wow i wasn't aware that it was a personal attack, maybe there is a language barrier here but it is not regarded as a personal attack in my native tongue. I will keep this in mind, thank you. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Draft:Asirko Muhamad-Ogly
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Goddard2000. I'm thinking of making pages about Dagestani, Chechen and Ingush (there's 4 of them) naibs in the future so I made this page about Asirko, who was naib of Mountainous Chechnya according to Khozhaev. Unfortunately it was deleted and moved to a draft place for some reason. Do you think it's notable enough that it could exist as an article? An admin declined the request, so I was thinking if you could give your opinion. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Waaleykum Salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu, i have no problem with articles about all of the Naibs and i even support it. I haven't heard of Asirko Muhamad-Ogly, could you provide quotes about him in the sources you posted? because your 4th source (https://nohchalla.com/lichnosti/1452-naiby-chechni) doesn't mention him anywhere? Goddard2000 (talk) 22:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It does actually mention him, here: "МАХЬМАЗАН АЬРСАНАКЪА (Арсико-Махамаз-оглы) — наиб горной Чечни (кистинский наиб). Возможно, что Арсануко Арсанукаев и Арсико-Махамаз-оглы — одно и то же лицо". The admin said it's not notable but if he was Naib of Mountainous Chechnya, it should mean that he was big name and wasn't just a nobody. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 12:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah i see now, could you quote your other sources? because this one just calls him a "Kist" which was used for both Chechens and Ingush during this period. Is there any source that specifies which clan or village he was from? or mentions a historical document or letter? Because i only see sources that refer to him as Kist so far (i haven't read Dadaev), this letter that mentions him by name in 1848 only refers to him as Naib of Kist villages and mentions "Mitho and Maysti" which are Chechen Melhi and Maysto clans: https://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/XIX/1820-1840/SSTAK/221-240/224.htm
 * How does Dadaev claim he's Ingush? this 4th source of yours is Khozhaevs i believe? and it only claims he's Kist but i haven't read Khozhaevs entire book so i'm not sure if he claims he's Ingush later on. Could you post a text from Dadaev and Khozhaev where they claim he's Ingush? Goddard2000 (talk) 13:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked up the Dudarov source (Дударов, А.-М.М. ИНГУШСКОЕ ОБЩЕСТВО В ЭПОХУ КАВКАЗСКОЙ ВОЙНЫ: НАИБЫ ШАМИЛЯ ИЗ ЧИСЛА ИНГУШЕЙ) and it says:
 * "The fourth person from the Ingush naibs of Shamil is the Kist Asirko-Mukhamad ogly (Kistinsky naib of Shamil). If
 * the above naibs from Yu.U. Dadaev are given separately,
 * then Asirko-Mukhamad is listed only in the general list of naibs of the Imamat [Dadaev 2009: 96], which is due to the lack of information about his
 * life and service with Shamil."
 * Here it claims Asirko was Ingush but again claims he's Kist, how does the source know he's Ingush? Kist was used for highland Chechens during this period. This all goes back to the Dadaev source since Dudarov uses him as a source. Can you post the text or explain where i can find Dadaevs book? Goddard2000 (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for sharing that document where Asirko is mentioned, it's additional source for the article. About that document, there was 2 Asirko mentioned historically, and as far as I know, with possibility of them being 1 person. Yes Khozhaev didn't claim that he was Ingush (I tried to make that clear by putting the reference at the end). I don't have Dadaev's work unfortunately, but Dudarov and Checheninfo referred to him, so I won't be able to quote him. By the way isn't Malkhiy Chechen and Ingush clan? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Goddard2000 do you have pdf of Khozhaev's book and if you have more documents about Asirko, please send me, it's additional sources for article. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have only read Dudarov and Checheninfo source not Khozhaev, i don't have the pdf file for his book but we need to find Dadaev's book before even claiming Asirko was Ingush. Do we even know if Dadaev claimed he's Ingush? and if he did then what was his reasoning? So far only Dudarov calls Asirko Ingush but we don't know why. Dudarov himself is ethnic Ingush so we don't know if his work is biased, did he assume Asirko is Ingush just because he's Kist? there is a tendency among Ingush historians to claim Kists are only Ingush (similar to how there is a tendency to do the opposite among Chechen historians too). So we need to look out for biases when making articles.
 * As for Melhi being Ingush, Melhi are mostly Chechens, only very few claim to be Ingush. If we start calling Melhi an Ingush clan just because there are some few Melhi that refer to themselves as Ingush then we will start claiming pure Ingush clans such as Evloy and Tsuroy are Chechens because there are many Evloy and Tsuroy communities in Chechnya that refer to themselves as Chechen. We don't know what clan Asirko belonged to, "Kist" was also used for other teips such as Dishni, Ch'anti, Zumsoy etc Goddard2000 (talk) 18:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Or nevermind i found Khozhaevs book: https://royallib.com/read/hogaev_dalhan/chechentsi_v_russkokavkazskoy_voyne_.html#0


 * He basically implies Asirko is Chechen and never calls him Ingush, on page 173 he writes exactly like the Checheninfo source (Checheninfo basically copy pasted that part), he mentions just like the Checheninfo source that Asirko might be the same Naib referred to as "АЬРСАНАКЪА" who he mentions on page 169, that Naib is from the Chechen clan Dishni and they were often referred to as Kist. So According to Khozhaev/Checheninfo (2 of your sources) Asirko is not mentioned as Ingush and is implied to have been Chechen, 1 source Dudarov calls him Ingush and uses Dadaev as a source but we don't know if he made the conclusion that Asirko is Ingush or if Dadaev said it since he doesn't directly quote him. In my opinion we can only make this article if we at least find Dadaevs book first and discuss it. Goddard2000 (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

His ethnicity is another matter of discussion, for now to make it neutral, I will write that he was Kistin (The article is about the ethnonym) naib. The article deserves to exist, don't you agree? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah i agree, i see nothing wrong with it and i do agree with the idea to refer to him as Kistin, i would also recommend deleting the Checheninfo source since its basically a copy-paste of Khozhaev and imo you should mention that Khozhaev believes he could be related to the Dishni Naib Arsanak'a. Goddard2000 (talk) 19:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I will probally write "There's a possibility that Arsiko could be related with Dishni naib Arsiko", this good? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 20:14, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Goddard2000 (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Forgot to ask, what page of Khozhaev's book says that he could be related with Dishni Naib? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * 169 but if you look up "Arsanuko" at nohchalla source then you'll see him mentioned there too since its copy pasted from Khozhaev's book just like checheninfo. I'll quote it here:
 * "АЬРСАНАКЪА (Аьрсанакъан Аьрсанакъа, Арсануко) — выходец из с. Эзихой. С 1840 г. наиб Дишни-мохка." Goddard2000 (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The on page 172 he says: "МАХЬМАЗАН АЬРСАНАКЪА (Арсико-Махамаз-оглы) — наиб горной Чечни (кистинский наиб). Возможно, что Арсануко Арсанукаев и Арсико-Махамаз-оглы — одно и то же лицо."
 * "It is possible that Arsanuko Arsanukaev and Arsiko-Makhamaz-ogly are one and the same person.", Arsanuko Arsanukaev being "Arsanaka" from Dishni. Goddard2000 (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay thank you. I wanted to ask about Battle of the Assa River, I realized my mistake there, it was due to the fact that I was unexperienced user. It's been month and since that, my articles are now based only on reliable sources and information. But I would like to know how can I delete that page by myself? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't know how to delete an article but you could comment and say it in the proposed deletion article. I appreciate that you admitted your mistake, i made many similar mistakes during my first time editing here. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Goddard2000 what could I write about this document — in the article since it's historical mention of Arsiko which is important? Could you give me an example? I would also appreciate if you could send me more documents about him. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * That is the only document i found on him unfortunately, you could mention that he tried to negotiate with Khevsurs and that he was noted by the Russians to have been the Naib of at least 2 Chechen clans (Melhi & Maysto). Goddard2000 (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * What source does Khozhaev scite in his book when mentioning Arsiko? Book writers usually write the source as some document. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 05:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately he doesn't cite a source for Arsiko. Goddard2000 (talk) 13:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

"Gapurov, Chechnya and Yermolov" book
Goddard2000 assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Do you happen to know where can I download pdf of this book: "Гапуров Ш. А. Чечня и Ермолов.— Грозный, 2006."? I can't manage to find it anywhere. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Waaleykum Salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh I can't find it. Goddard2000 (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Güldenstädt
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. I don't understand why you spammed this text "J. A. Güldenstädt also writes that all of the Kists (Nakh Peoples in this case) are also referred to as Chechens, he also includes the "Galgai district" among the Chechen districts." or "J. A. Güldenstädt also writes that all of the Kists (Nakh Peoples in this case) are also referred to as Chechens." across many unrelated pages. Are we gonna now add every single unrelated things Güldenstädt mentioned about Chechen and Ingush peoples to Small Ingush, Meredzhi and others? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Waaleykum Salam warahmatullahi wa barakatuh @WikiEditor1234567123 i only added the "Galgai" district to "Small Ingush" article since Galgai are mentioned as Small Ingush too. I don't understand the problem of adding "are also referred to as Chechens" to villages that are today Chechen. Guildenstedt never himself identifies these villages as either Ingush or Chechen (except Galgai), he says that Russians call Shalkha "Little Angusht" and that "Chechen" is used for all Kists. I personally don't see a reason to add this quote to other modern Ingush villages but in my opinion they should be added to modern Chechen villages. Goddard2000 (talk) 15:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you show me where Galgai District is mentioned as part of the Small Ingush, with page and quote please? I really don't understand what's the point in adding the unrelated text that Chechens are often understood as the whole Kistin nation (note that Güldenstädt didn't say that Kistins are understood as Chechens like you said) in the article about the villages (Meredzhi, Yalkharoy and Galanchozh) that were mentioned by Güldenstädt in pages 241-242 as part of the total number of Ingush villages while opposing them to the Chechens? To me it looks like you're adding your unrelated text right after mine just to douse out some imaginary flame. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @WikiEditor1234567123 Galgai district isn't included as part of Small Ingush, Galgai village is, he then adds it to Chechen districts. Similarly how he adds Galashki and Meredzhi as villages in one page and writes in the footnote that they belong to all Kist villages (i showed you where to look) but then also adds them below Karabulak district as separate districts, you can check from page 241-243, tell me if im wrong. Guldenstedt said clearly that the name of this okrug (Chechen) is used for all Kistins on page 242. I don't know why you're arguing against this we've been through it on the Orstkhoy article and even kept this sentence there. Guldenstedt himself never says that Meredzhi, Yalkharoy and Galanchozh are Ingush, this is original research, he says that Sholkhi district (Yalkhor and Galay) are referred to as Little Angusht by Russians due to their proximity to Angusht proper. There is no imaginary flame, there are articles that need a bit more context, if we include that Sholkhi was called "Little Angusht" by Russians then we also need to include the fact that Guldenstedt said all Kists were also referred to as Chechens. If this sentence bothers you then just rewrite it as we did in Orstkhoy i.e "but he thinks Kistin is more accurate of a name for Nakh peoples". Goddard2000 (talk) 10:46, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Galgai village and Galgai district isn't quite the same. Galgai village is the today Kambileevskoe in East-Prigorodny District, North-Ossetia, where Sholkhi and Angusht are located too. So this analogue of Galashki and Meredzhi that you brought isn't even comparable. Güldenstädt said Chechens are often understood as the whole Kistin nation, this doesn't mean that name of Chechen okrug is used for all Kistins, this is forgery of source. Are we gonna now mention every single thing Güldenstädt said about Chechen and Ingush peoples on the unrelated articles? Sure, let's even mention that according to him, the Kists fight for the sake of looting and prey and other things he said about the Kists! But of course no, we don't need to clutter up the space of the article with unrelated and unneccesary information. You can't claim this is original research when Bronevsky based on the information of Güldenstädt, quite literally also attributed the same villages as part of the Ingush in page 166 as Güldenstädt did. I already mentioned that you corrupted the original text to your liking above, Güldenstädt didn't say that all Kists were reffered as Chechens. This sentence really does bother me as first of all it isn't even connected to Small Ingush article as I have proven above, aswell as the articles about villages, second of all it's not even what Güldenstädt said, so this is forgery of source. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 18:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Are we really going to pretend like Galgai district doesn't refer to Galgai village? when does Guildenstedt locate the Galga village in Kambileevskoe? The analogue of Galashki and Meredzhi makes perfect sense since Guldenstedt refers to their villages and okrugs separately despite them being the same.
 * I knew you would bring up the Bronevsky source but i never deleted the Bronevsky sources that claimed this. Bronevsky claimed a lot, he also claimed that "Gligva" are Mountain Chechens. Our source however (the most detailed one by Atalikov who studied the writings of Guildenstedt) never claims Meredzhi is Ingush, in fact like i showed you he includes them in a bunch of villages which he says belong to all Kists.
 * Guldenstedt said "due to it's notoriety the NAME of these inhabitants (Chechen) is often understood as the whole Kist nation", we both know what he means here, it's no secret that "Chechen" was used for all Nakh peoples, even the first Ingush author Chakh Akhriev wrote that he is an Ingush from the "Chechen tribe". Explain to me how pointing out that Small Ingush (Kist peoples in general) are also referred to as Chechen is irrelevant, this makes no sense at all, you want to include that Guildenstedt wrote that Russians call Sholkha (Small Ingush) but not the fact that Guildenstedt wrote that "Chechen" term understood as all Nakh peoples. This is hypocritical in my opinion, there is no need to claim that i corrupted the source. If we go back and look in the Orstkhoy article then you will see that I in fact corrected many sentences, not only that but after I pointed out errors in the article you yourself edited them out and claimed they were not there (like the "Karabulak okrug is mentioned as Ingush" sentence). Goddard2000 (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There was never a village called Galgai in the Galgai district (or call it society) which was located in Assa River, however there was a village called Galgai or Galga which is today's Kambileevskoe on Kambileyevka river. Your analogue doesn't even make sense as there was never such village in Galgai district/society and it's clear as day that the Galga village mentioned as part of Small Ingush is today's Kambileevskoe located near Oktyabrskoye (Sholkhi) and Tarskoye (Angusht). I really don't understand the point of you going off the topic to try to catch me off guard with saying "he also claimed that "Gligva" are Mountain Chechens" and that Chakh Akhriev apperantly claimed "he is an Ingush from the "Chechen tribe"" which isn't even true and is just hilarious to hear this typical misconception, but I don't wish to waste my time debating these statements of yours. I ask you again to check the published work of Güldenstädt in 2002, page 242, where after enlisting a number of villages as part of Ingush, Güldenstädt opposes these villages to Chechens. I explained many times the reason I'm against for the statement that "Chechens are often understood as the whole Kistin nation" to be added to the articles — it's quite literally not related with the article and by adding everything Güldenstädt said about Chechen and Ingush peoples in unrelated articles, the space of the article is gonna clutter up with unrelated and unneccesary information. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 22:23, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Guildenstedt doesn't specify where the village lies,nothing is clear about where "Galga" lies, this is your assumption. Why are you having such a problem with adding the "referred to as Chechens" quote? it exists on the Orstkhoy article as well. If it's in the Orstkhoy article then it should be on the Small Ingush article as well. We agreed to include it in the Orstkhoy article but now it can't be included in here? why are you claiming it makes no sense to add it in here but keep it in Orstkhoy? Goddard2000 (talk) 12:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your making here assumptions with your incorrect Galashki and Meredzhi analogue. Galga village is Kambileevskoe, which isn't too far away from Sholkhi (today Oktyabrskoye). I didn't agree to that quote being added to Orstkhoy article, but I let that slide if so to speak. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You still haven't explained how the Galashki-Meredzi analogue is wrong, Guildenstedt didn't locate Galga in Kambileevka. We can leave this topic for now since we are having 10 discussions at once. Let's focus on other topics for now. Goddard2000 (talk) 11:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Friendly advice
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Could you please instead of simply pasting link to the source as a reference, use sfn templates? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Waaleykum Salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, i'm still not sure how sfn templates work but i'll look into it. Goddard2000 (talk) 10:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sfn templates are basically the templates ppl (such as myself) use for sources. You first write the book in Bibliography section and then when citing a source you write {sfn|last name of the author here|year here|page=}. When you learn to use the sfn templates, could you rewrite the sources in Chechen section in Orstkhoy so that the article would be more appealing to ppl who visit the article? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, i'll try to fix them little by little throughout the next week. Goddard2000 (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Vyappiy teip (Aukh Fyappiy)
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh. I think it's time to create a separate article for the Vyappiy teip? Some time ago I removed the section "Aukh Fyappiy" as I wanted to make a different article for it, to not make any confusions that could happen due to the similar names. My only problem is, I don't have much information about the teip, other than mentions of them coming to Aukh in 17th–18th centuries. Or should I just add it back in the article. So, what do you say? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, regarding the teip lists, you have no problem if I add "Aukh" section in the teip list and include three Ingush teips which make up the Aukhs (backed up by RS)? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 13:47, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Waaleykum Salam, i haven't checked the Fyappiy article yet so i don't know much about it, why was the Aukh Fyappiy section removed? creating a whole article seems unnecessary. Which three Ingush teips are you referring to? Also i am on the road right now for a couple of days so i can't discuss at the moment. I will get back to you when i'm free again. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Because I essentially wanted to create a separate article about them, so that furthermore there wouldn't be confusions with the Fyappin society. Unfortunately didn't have the time to create it, nor did I have many sources to do it; I mean overall the Chechen and Ingush teips are horribly studied and we don't know much of their history even today, so Vyappiy aren't an exception. But yk what, I will probably add it back. Maybe some time later I will make an article for them when I get enough sources. Btw one of the other issues was that, due to the lack of sources, I don't know how to expand that section. I'm talking about the Ghuloy (famous representative is Akhmed Khuchbarov), Z'ogoi and Vyappiy (note that it's an mixed teip, not exclusively Chechen or Ingush, basically like the Orstkhoi teips). WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand Ghuloy and Vyappiy but Z'ogoi? i have never heard about it being related to Ingush. Can you post the sources and cite it if it's not hard. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure, no problem:

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 * Del rez khil, could you provide pages and cite the sentence if you have time? (especially the second source, i don't want to download the pdf file from this website) i'll check it out when i come home. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh and by the way we might want to consult @Takhirgeran Umar since he is actually from this region. He might know more than me. Goddard2000 (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's the quote (from both sources): "В XVII-XVIII вв. из Чечни в предгорья и на равнину Дагестана устремились выходцы из карабулакских (ЦӀечой, Мержой и др.) и ингушских (3Ӏогой, Ваьпиий, ГӀулой и др.) тайпов, однако основную массу переселенцев в Аух составляли пред­ставители чеченских, преимущественно ичкеринских тайпов (Беной, Цонтарой, Курчалой и др.)." WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Goddard2000, @WikiEditor1234567123, абсолютно большинство ауховцев, это зандакъой, билтой, цонтарой, курчалой. Цечой и мержой не так много, есть еще немного ваьппий. А вот аккинцев из Акки мы не нашли, искали для ДНК тестов. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Забыл две фамилии къавстой, говорили что они из Костоевых. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 17:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @WikiEditor1234567123, для отдельной статьи нет инфо, лучше верни раздел. По сути это один тайп. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @WikiEditor1234567123, на счет зӀогой, то они навряд ли с Ингушетии. В ДНК у них самые близкие чунгарой, харачой. Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ну к сожалению, вроде на Днк-тесты мы должны оперироваться при помощи вторичных источников. Кстати на связь зӀогой с ингушами косвенно указал и Дешериев: "В Аухе были представлены следующие тайпы ЗӀогой (сравни ингушское зӀокой наькъе) (...)". WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Да я так и понял и вернул. Хорошо было бы если бы было больше источников по теме чеченских и ингушских тейпов; печально что малоизученная тема. А у тебя же нету никаких возражений против того что я 3 ауховских тейпов включу в список ингушских тейпов потому что их вышеупомянутые АИ называли таковыми? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Также при возможности Takhigeran Umar, дайте источники и информацию на ауховских вяппий. На данный момент раздел очень краткий и хотелось бы его расширить так как на данный момент сама статья Fyappiy баллотировается на статус good article (статус добротной статьи). WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Reliability of Jaimoukha
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @Goddard2000. I made a discussion here about whether or not Amjad Jaimoukha's book "The Chechens: A Handbook" is reliable source. Maybe you're interested in expressing your opinion there? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Waaleykum Salam, my biggest issue with that book is that a lot of it is unsourced, i don't have the time to go through that book right now but off the top of my head i remember it having texts about "Hun invasions" that was completely unsourced. There are many moments like this. Goddard2000 (talk) 20:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you give your opinion here in the discussion about Jaimoukha? I'm trying to get more opinion on this matter, so that in future, we would know that it's not considered a RS. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:08, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @Goddard2000. I'm thinking of requesting for a deletion of following articles: Maida of Aukh, Chakhig, Khour I, Khasi I, Khasi II, Surakat, Battle of Gebak-Ghala, Yanbek, Battle of Arm-Kurt and so on... but I'm afraid it will be challenging (due to the large number of them) to show how these articles are clearly lacking (completely) WP:RS or are just simply WP:HOAX. Would you be interested in helping me in that? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:38, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Here is the discussion page about the deletion for those articles. Could you please give your opinion there? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Waaleykum Salam, i was away from home so i couldn't answer but i see your request was accepted. That is good, those articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Goddard2000 (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you do me a favor? The article Mongol invasions of Durdzuketi was again attacked by random IPs and the previous version added, so could you reverse that? Also, I think it's time to ask for protection of the article. Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah again with that article, we need to get it protected. I will revert to older version. Goddard2000 (talk) 20:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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