User talk:Goggins1

Salvo
What was your goal with your edits to Pain (U.S. band) and Salvo (band)? —  Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 15:40, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. Thank you for helping. I don't know much about this format, but I was trying to correct something. The Pain (US Band) site was apparently redirected to a Salvo page which noted it was the new "Pain." All the existing content from the Pain (US Band) was deleted.Salvo is a new band, formed by some of the members of the band Pain,. However, it is distinctly new band, not the same band with a new name, which is what it now says.How can that be corrected? Any advice? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goggins1 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The disconnect is between your perspective and that of the reliable sources. You're saying that Pain disbanded, and then some of them formed a new band called Salvo.  The reliable sources in the article say that Pain got back together, but because co-founder Milewicz declined to return, the rest of the band changed its name.  The verifiability policy requires that everything we write must be cited to reliable sources, and the no-original-research policy requires that we not inject our own personal interpretations into articles.Iff you can find reliable sources that are explicit in supporting your interpretation, then they can be included, and that aspect can be written.  Does that all make sense?  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 17:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I understand. The online content needs to be verified by citations? Is that correct? Thank you for helping get me up to speed on the policy aspect of this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goggins1 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, exactly. Wikipedia isn't 'we say this is true', but is instead 'these sources say that this is true'.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 16:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. In order to address any errors, would any sources other than newspaper articles suffice? I am wondering about how to improve the accuracy of the article. How was the previous Pain (US Band) page deleted and redirected? That site seemed accurate from what I recall. Could that simply be reinstated to coexist with the Salvo posting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goggins1 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but evaluate those sources against this guideline. You can also (a) ask at the reliable-source noticeboard whether a source is acceptable or not (use the search function, first), and (b) check this list of frequently-asked-about sources.  It actually hasn't been deleted.  The page's history is still here.  As for how, I just edited the page to redirect it.  Could it?  Yeah, easily enough.  Should it, though?  Firstly, the sources describe Salvo as the same musical group as Pain, just without one founding member—which prompted a name-change.  As such, we shouldn't have two articles on the same subject.  Secondly, the previous Pain article only had one good source going for it, and two more that talked about Pain becoming Salvo; if you look at the Salvo article now, only 25% of the secondary sources talk about Pain without the context of Salvo.  —   Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 21:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)