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Happy New Year! Goldsztajn, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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RE: "Fails" NPOL
Thank you for making the distinction here. I sometimes fall into the same trap of writing "Fails NPOL" rather than "Doesn't pass NPOL"; it is a small, but important distinction. Curbon7 (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Peer Review Request
Hi -- I'm seeking peer review for the page Welfare Colonialism and based on your interest in "20th Century politics, economics, development studies, labour, gender" and the peer review instructions am reaching out to see if you'd be able to take a look and share your thoughts. My notes on the review page are: "Hello, I am requesting peer review of this page. I am somewhat new to the peer review process; my aim is simply to further develop this page. To that end I appeal to those more experienced than I to advise me." Cheers and much thanks Iguana0000 (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Iguana0000 - nice to meet you and happy to have a look. I'll leave some comments on the review page. Kind regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 20:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Iguana0000 (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Quick Q (and much much much thanks). What do you think of either the first or last photo in this article to illustrate the welfare colonialism page?  I believe I could secure permission for either; the first was taken by a now-deceased member of an activist family whom I imagine might allow its use and the last is a public monument. Iguana0000 (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Iguana0000 - glad the comments proved helpful! In terms of the photos...this is hard. I'm not sure these images unambiguously depict welfare colonialism: yes, Indigenous people are depicted, yes, they are related to welfare policies of the governemnt ... but is this an image illustrating welfare colonialism? My point is just because two aspects of a subject are illustrated, it does not make that a depiction of the subject. Again, it appears to me a type of synthesis.  You really need a source that refers to this particular process as part of welfare colonialism (and even then one would need to qualify this ... so and so has called etc, rather than just using wikipedia's voice).  On the other hand, an image which depicted, for example, an Indigenous writer who has criticised welfare colonialism might be more appropriate or an image of Paine. Or possibly protests against welfare policies ... again this one is also hard ... my precusory understanding of Paine's use of welfare colonialism is that he is pointing to a period after assimiliation policies (so he would not (?) classify child removal policy within the rubric of welfare colonialism).  However, a picture of the hospitals built by the Belgians in the Congo could be used since that is explicitly discussed in the source I cited in the peer review as a form of welfare colonialism. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Many good points. Re the Canadian gov't response to the tuberculosis epidemic and its relation to welfare colonialism, I was thinking back to this book -- https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520282940/life-beside-itself -- where the author traces the similarities in the government response to both the tuberculosis and more recent youth suicide "epidemics". I'm not sure whether she uses the term 'welfare colonialism' per se but certainly the gist is there (and I can ask her). She documents how the government's response in both cases was enormously disruptive, inefficient, heedlessly disrespectful to the people it was trying to save, ignored the suggestions of the local community and had long-term negative effects. In particular it involved removal of those deemed ill, who were transported hundreds of miles to facilities where they could not communicate with anyone. If someone died their families were not notified. To the Inuit it paralleled infamous removal strategies such as residential schools, the Sixties_Scoop (which themselves were imagined to be benign, even beneficent gestures, by those who dreamed them up). Inuit suggestions of how to address these problems in a less destructive way were of course ignored because ... what do they know. Iguana0000 (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Just checked and she does quote Robert Paine quite a bit, also mentions welfare colonialism. Iguana0000 (talk) 20:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iguana0000 better to continue this on the article talk page. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Interview request
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