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Minnesota Valley Country Club
I have reverted your removal of Minnesota Valley Country Club from the list of courses designed by Seth Raynor, as we have supporting reliable sources, including the club itself. Please see discussion at Talk:Seth Raynor and provide whatever sources you have for Clark as the architect. Thanks, wjematherplease leave a message... 22:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Your sources are not reliable.
 * I know that Minnesota Valley claims to be a Raynor course -- but they have ZERO evidence that Raynor had anything to do with the course. The course never had the template holes found on every Raynor/Macdonald course.
 * I will have to look again for the contemporary newspaper accounts that attributed the design to William Clark. I will follow up. Golf Crazed (talk) 23:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * See https://www.newspapers.com/image/178852808/?terms=bloomington%20minnesota%20%22automobile%20club%22%20golf%20Clark&match=1. This was before it was called "Minnesota Valley."
 * There is no match in a search for Bloomington Golf Club and Raynor Golf Crazed (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As you will see from the discussion I started, I did a quick search and found a newspaper report attributing Clark, but we'll need more/better than that to be confident that other reliable sources are in error – contemporary reports have been known to be wrong. I look forward to seeing what else you find. wjematherplease leave a message... 23:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Here -- https://www.newspapers.com/image/195033734/?terms=%22Minnesota%20Valley%20Country%20Club%22%20%22Seth%20Raynor%22&match=1; see the last stick of the article -- even the club itself admits it doesn't know if Raynor had any connection to the course. Golf Crazed (talk) 00:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hear Anthony Pioppi of the Seth Raynor Society in this podcast, at the 30:15 mark: https://www.stitcher.com/show/talkingolf/episode/episode-30-tg-history-30-seth-raynor-part-2-67288371 Golf Crazed (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The three newspaper articles he references (if that is all there is - I suspect we have found two of them) is insufficient for us to completely disregard other sources. I'm thinking that the easiest solution may be to reduce the entire list to just include notable courses (i.e. those with articles); that would be consistent with other lists. wjematherplease leave a message... 15:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and trimmed the list. wjematherplease leave a message... 15:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Guess I need to write articles about the two actual Seth Raynor courses in Twin Cities area. 2601:441:467F:4DA0:252A:BDCC:C308:6EEF (talk) 15:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:ACR as a starting point should you require guidance with doing this. Essentially, you will need to ensure the clubs/courses meet Wikipedia notability standards, which means multiple in-depth supporting sources that are reliable and independent of the subject, such that the articles you write meet core content policies. If this cannot be done, an alternative is to write a brief paragraph in a related article on a broader subject, such as the locality, and create a redirect to that article section. Good luck. wjematherplease leave a message... 16:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)