User talk:Goliath12

Edinburgh Castle
Thanks Goliath for your addition to Edinburgh Castle. I have, however, removed this text as I don't think it is relevant to Edinburgh Castle. It may fit better in the articles on the Royal Mile, or Old Town, Edinburgh. Have a look at those articles and see if you can add to them. Any problems, let me know on my talk page. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response, I agree there may be a link, but its fairly tenuous, and I still think not directly relevant. The town wall, built in 1513 following the defeat of Flodden, was the limit of the burgh until the 1760s, and it was this constraint which led to the upward growth of the Old Town, and the eventual formation of underground areas like Mary King's Close. As to whether the presence of the castle led to the existence of the walls, which led to the overcrowding of the Old Town, well that may be the case, but can it be referenced? Or is this your opinion, in which case it would be inadmissable under Wikipedia's original research policy. And I would still say it should be discussed in the Old Town article. Having it in the Castle article gives the impression that there is a city beneath the Castle, when in fact the Castle and Old Town have always been fairly well separated (because on occasion the town was bombarded from the Castle). The Edinburgh Castle article is large as it is, and it doesn't even mention large parts of the Castle itself, so I just don't feel that a new section on "the Castle's effect on the development of Edinburgh" would help.


 * In conclusion, if you have some sources for the theory that the Castle's presence led directly to Old Town overcrowding, then I'd be interested to know. I would, however, beware the promotional myths surrounding the "vaults", some of which are nothing more than the space under the South Bridge. Who, for instance, claims that "they go several levels deeper"? Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 12:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)