User talk:Gomada/Archive 1

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Again, welcome! &mdash; Abhishek Talk to me 14:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your warm welcome and for cookies (: &mdash; Gomada   18:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
&mdash; Abhishek  Talk to me 02:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

thank you for the Barnstar
And welcome on Wikipedia. if you stay calm and objective than you will see everything getting fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisupporting (talk • contribs) 00:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

hello Gomada
here is the Zaza article which I have edited

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaza_people

please vote in the references part how you find my edit and also if you want tell your friends they should vote also. They don´t need to be members of Wikipedia. Just Vote how you find my version. Greets. Wikisupporting (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

there are some problems on the Zaza article could you help me a bit.Wikisupporting (talk) 14:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, How can i help you? Btw, im busy at Kurdish Wikipedia, but i will try to help as much as possible.Gomada 21:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh thanks for your support but it is ok now. I ask a Admin to close the article and use a non POV version.

anyway thanks.

Wikisupporting (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello friend I finally convinced the Admins that their is indeed a link between kurdish identity and Zaza. See here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zaza_people#Request_for_Comments Please send me as much source you know and help me to create a good section for Zazas with Kurdish identity because my English is not really the best.Wikisupporting (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

December 2011
Your addition to Baba Tahir has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Dougweller (talk) 21:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed. (and actually i wanted to use citation in the beginning) I hope, its ok now.--Gomada (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Medes
It's sometimes hard to understand, but it's not up to us to make decisions as to whether a source is right or wrong and remove it because we disagree with it. The issue is whether the source meets our criteria at WP:VERIFY and WP:RS, and of course if it's used correctly. It looks to me as though this book which is the source in question meets our criteria. Dougweller (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but, Look at Kurdish language. Its an northwestern iranian language. Is it normal to put wrong information into an article? If David Neil MacKenzie doesnt even know that kurds speak an northwestern iranian language maybe he is not an authority of Kurdish language!--Gomada (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you see how ".empire of the Medes, one of the reputed ancestors of Kurdish people, was the only great national state that may be said to have been established by Kurds." makes no sense? If the Medes are reputed ancestors of the Kurds, how could the Kurds have founded the empire of the Medes? That's an editing mistake or if it was translated a translation mistake. Dougweller (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You dont understand, there is not such sentence in the book. But as you want, coz as i saw you are the lord(!) here. Gomada (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A bit late, but Kurdish isn't a northwestern Iranian language. I discovered that someone had changed what the source said to read northwestern. And the sentence just above was in the article, not the book.Dougweller (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Please
You are doing it wrong at many articles forcing M. Izady over reputable reliable sources. I informed administrator called Dbachmann (dab) about your actions so I'm sure he would explain you better if you won't listen to me. I respect every contribution related to Iranistics including Kurdish history, but your kind of contributions would be considered as pseudo-historic nationalism so you'll be in trouble, and I don't wish you that. Cheers. --46.239.25.119 (talk) 11:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any good reference? How can you judge a scholar because of his nationality? You are just aganist kurdish identity? For example there are two main references. One of them is written in 1968. How can you know that, you are better than Lokman I. Meho and Kelly L. Maglaughlin? You dont show any proof and you just delete kurdish identity! So, you stop this childish nationalism againist Kurds!--Gomada (talk) 11:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Check this article Kurds - I wrote it using only reliable sources by specific historical area. Do I look like someone who have something against Kurds? Of course not, BUT - Delamites where NOT Kurds by any means, and that imples to Buyids, Sallarids, Zyarids, etc. I know that nationalistic Izady claims so, but there is no such thing at reliable sources like Iranica, Cambridge or EIs, and White i Jongerden (p. 19. i 22) clearly states that Izady's claims are absurd pseudo-history. There wasn't any kind of "Kurdish identity" among those dynasties, including later Safavids who probably had some Kurdish/Azari origins but still called their country as Iran. Ignore forcing pseudo-historic claims, that's my friendly advice to you. --46.239.25.119 (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, i dont trust your honesty! Because, instead of discussion, you just delete word of Kurd/Kurdish from articles. And second, i dnt know croatian language, Maybe you wrote many rubbish in that articles too. Because, it seems, you cant look objective! You dont have friendly advice, you behave as you know the best, so i dont need that!--Gomada (talk) 12:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I know Kurds are very friendly and grateful people, but you surely aren't among them. Probably some European teenager of Kurdish origin with heavy identity crisis. I'll just give you one more friendly advice, if you're so dedicated to force claims by M. Izady, start with article "Saddam Hussein" - Izady claimed he was also Kurdish. --46.239.25.119 (talk) 12:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * if you have such reference, just write it on article. Dont wait me to change, because you've already wasted my time. And i will not discuss my character or character of my people with you. You cant judge me, because you dont even know me! As i told, stop to behave as you know everything!--Gomada (talk) 13:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We won't write that despite it really exist in Izady's book (p. 110.), not because it "hurts Kurdish feelings" but because it's nonsense. The same goes for northern Iranian dynasties from Gilan. I'll give you third friendly advice: learn diference between "Persian" and "Iranian" in European historiography so you'll se there isn't any kind of "anti-Kurdish conspiracy" because Kurds are politicaly and culturaly part of Iran and Iranian peoples from their birth. --46.239.25.119 (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should learn difference between iranian and persian. Because, in the article of Buyids, There are references which you insist on, claim that Buyids are dailamites and in the wikipedia, its written that, Dailamites are iranian. But you try to change and put references as, Dailamites are persians. We are iranians and we are never againist this, we are just againist studpidity which tries to show all iranians as persians. --Gomada (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to "Iranian", please notice it. I 100% agree that it's unfair to label all Iranians as Persians, but you have to know that Persia is used as exonym for Iran in Western historiography for 2600 years so many sources label Iranian nation as "Persian". --46.239.25.119 (talk) 13:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My purpose is not a childish discussion with you. But if there is a mistake, we cant keep it up. We should change. You say that Iran has known as Persia in european historiagraphy. Persian Empire is mostly known as  Medopersian or Median empire in Torah. or In greek history, Its written as  Median - Greek wars not Persian-Greek wars. But because of political power, it has changed in sources. States can change history (!) I hope, you understand and stop to attack me as i dont know anything.--Gomada (talk) 13:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * My plan was to help you, not to attack/disturb you. You forgot to mention one important thing also - Medism, ancient Greek label for pro-Achaemenid policy in Greece. Exonyms from Torah or Ancient Greek sources aren't much relevant, fact is that early Iranian tribes called their land as Aryanan Vaijah, Achaemenids (and most probably Medes also) as Aryanam, Parthians as Aryan, Sassanids as Eran/Iran, and it's used till this day. Even partly Lurish and/or Kurdish dynasties like Safavids and Zands used it. But, as I said in modern Western historiography there are still some national labels Iranian=Persian which can be unfair to other ethnic non-Persian Iranians like Kurds and others. Despite it's ethnical/political wrong, many historians still use it so don't consider it as kind of "Persian nationalism". Real issues in Kurdish history are pan-Turkism and pan-Arabism, and talking about Medes - if you check my article about Kurds again, you'll notice that unlike English Wikipedia I've mentioned Median history. But, just in cultural/traditional sphere (Kurds consider themselves as Median descedants) because it's quite scientific wrong according linguistic basic (NW-Iranian). I've also noticed that many Zazas consider themselves as Kurds. Find a sources and use it if you won't, but don't force it against others because admins will block you. --109.165.173.68 (talk) 13:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. You may also check my article about "Median Empire", it's triple larger then English version (as same as "Kurds"). So don't claim I have something against Kurds. ;) --109.165.173.68 (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sources for a point of view
Hi, I am aware that there have been polemic movements directed against Kurdish identity, language and existence by governments in Turkey and other countries. This poses a problem for encyclopedic minds who want to record human cultures, when there are proponents of ideological agendas here, operating under the pretense of neutrality while trying to stigmatize the scholars of an entire ethnic group and deny that group any mention of as much history as possible. I say keep a cool head, try due process such as asking the Reliable Sources Noticeboard about the sources, they routinely point out that sources for a point of view should not be censored. Good luck, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, Thank you for your attention.--Gomada (talk) 17:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Buyids and Kakuyids
Hi, On the Kakuyids you may be interested in THIS BOOK! Wuria-Watchful (talk) 21:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, im gonna take a look at it. thank you.--Gomada (talk) 13:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

3RR violation
You have violated WP:3RR. Don't continue edit war and respect cited sources. Alefbe (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats funny, You dont respect to cited sources and you warn me! I changed your mistake 3 times.--Gomada (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Dinawari
Hi, Thanks for the message. Somehow Izadi's writings are not considered very "reliable" source within the academic community. For instance refer to "Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds" by G. Asatrian (Available online). You can search google for reviews of his book "The Kurds". I may disagree with Asatrian personally but from my own experience here in wiki it is always advisable to include neutral academic sources whenever possible. By neutral I mean articles and books written by non-Kurds and non-Middle eastern scholars when it comes to ethnic/religious issues in the region. Western academic writers usually harbor far less ethnic/religious prejudice that is so common in sources written by people from Middle eastern background. For instance, it is much easier to write about Shia/Sunni stuff when the author is him/herself a catholic or buddhist exactly because he has no personal axe to grind on the issue, his/her assessments and reasoning would be far more objective than the locals. In the same spirit, a Japanese researcher (outsider) would be more neutral in research on ethnic conflict in Northern Ireland than the local protestants or catholics in Ulster. So to make the long story short, it is better to include a neutral source that points to Kurdish origin of Dinawari than citing a possibly controversial one. In this way, you argue the same thing but with a stronger source that is more acceptable to other editors.Vekoler (talk) 21:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Who decide that Izadi's writings are not reliable source? Do you judge him because of his nationality? Thats not logic. Colombia, Harvard.. universities accept him as an authority, but some people who want to steal Kurdish history are againist him. If we will judge people by their nationalities, then why do we accept "Encyclopædia Iranica" as a reliable source? the founder of it, is a persian and everyone who is not known well (who is iranian) is accepted as Persian. So, where is the reliability?--Gomada (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Farrokh
Farrokh is not an academic and we should be using academic sources, particularly in areas where there is a lot of nationalistic debate. Please reply to my comments at Talk:Ardashir I - to find a reliable source we need more details about the letter. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 08:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Your edits
Gomada, you removed sourced info from Kurdish-Turkish conflict, qualifying as "nationalist" the most important newspaper of Turkey, Hürriyet. As you may see from the link I provided there is an article on Hürriyet in WP. You cannot tell us it is a nationalist newspaper, unless you find reliable sources that back your claim. Please if you come back in the article do not make subjective evaluations about sources and try to impose your personal POV without being backed by RS references. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 14:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

No hard feelings
Hi, I hope you do not take my last message on Ardashir I as offensive. That is my genuine opinion that Sassanids were Iranian and cannot be really narrowed to modern linguistic groups and new definitions of Kurd/Persian. I also do not believe the terms "Persian" or "Kurd" had their modern definition during the early and pre-islamic era. The last time the term Persian had an ethnic meaning based on one language was the Achaemenids. After that, for whatever reason, outside of Iran, the inhabitants that were Iranic were called Persian..while inside Iran, the inhabitants have always used the term Irani. The Sassanid inscriptions provide a good claim of this: [..specially the Greek one:"Greek egō . . .tou Arianōn ethnous despotēs eimi “I am lord of the kingdom (Gk. nation) of the Aryans”"--[[Special:Contributions/96.255.251.165|96.255.251.165]] (talk) 03:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)