User talk:Gonnym/Archive 5

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode redirects to lists


A tag has been placed on Category:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode redirects to lists requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 14:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey
Got your ping, those files are all set. Nice to see you back editing as well. Missed seeing your username pop up in my watchlist. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That was fast! thanks :) I'm not really back, just got pinged so did a bit of house cleaning :) --Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Understood! With the new Disney+ MCU series, there have been a lot of character redirects created. I've tried my best to handle them correctly, but I'm sure they need additional work if that's something you wouldn't mind taking a look at. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Did a pass on the redirects. I think I got most of them. --Gonnym (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * one new one just popped up: File:Rocket Raccoon MCU.jpeg. --Gonnym (talk) 22:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Rocket file moved. Also, do you know why the FWS character redirects to lists category does not appear in the FWS-proper cat? It isn't listed as a subcategory, even though I see the character redirects cat lists it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No idea. I did a dummy save and it seemed to fix it. --Gonnym (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm weird. Thanks! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Nora (The Flash)
See what I did. Your way required an additional search.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Turns out there is a third possibility. I ended up having to read the episode summary from last night and now I understand. So I'm just now adding what I was looking for.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Episode list/sandbox2
Module:Episode list/sandbox2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Names of letters aren't proper nouns
Hello. You left the edit summary "noun" for a number of Hebrew letter headings, but that didn't explain why you were capitalizing them. Names of letters from other writing systems aren't proper nouns. I've reverted your changes and the corresponding changes to the redirects. Largoplazo (talk) 19:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Out of the 20ish letters in the alphabet, 4 were in lowercase. And even in those articles, there is no consistency in the capitalization. I'm also not really sure you are correct in that "Hebrew Dalet" is not a proper noun. --Gonnym (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't think of any reason why they would be proper nouns, any more than the names of the numbers 1, 2, and 3 are. I can't find any discussion of proper nouns that includes the names of letters. In addition, I can't think of any text I've ever seen where, other than at the beginning of a sentence, even English letter names like "aitch" and "zed" are capitalized, and mentions of Greek letters, the ones whose names are most likely to be found in English texts, definitely aren't.
 * I share your preference for consistency; it's unfortunately that the majority here is on the wrong side. Largoplazo (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Villains
One (maybe two) against two wasn’t an opposition. But yeah I jumped the gun. Sue me! Jhenderson 7 7 7  18:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There were 4 people in that discussion if I'm not mistaken. 2 out of 4 that's 50%. No need to sue, just revert. --Gonnym (talk) 18:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * There was not four from what I can tell. There was you and maybe another. Also IronManCap was convinced in a different discussion page in my side. Except he felt that it was a rushed move in my part. Did you not pay attention to the villains page and how it was done. It was jam packed with sources and reception. Whether you like it or not it has proven Wp:GNG outside of needed consensus or WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Also the article was proving that before (if there was) a consensus against it that I didn’t know about. Jhenderson  7 7 7  18:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "Sue me" is an expression lol. Not literal. Jhenderson  7 7 7  19:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

italic dab
Is there a reason you're removing the " " template from several articles? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As you can see from the display itself, it's not needed anymore. The infobox automatically supports that feature. --Gonnym (talk) 12:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Fredless
I saw your request at WP:RM/TR to move Fredless (Angel). to Fredless (Angel). I've opted to restore the original article title of Fredless, as disambiguation was not necessary to begin with. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem with that. Thanks for your help. --Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Anime TV series RM's
I suspect you no longer want to weigh in on this, but there are at least a couple of anime-related RM's right now that could benefit from someone else who has been through these RM's before, because we still have WP:ANIME editors who think they can do whatever the heck they want. FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

MCU taskforce
If I get the taskforce established, would you be able to help with editing the project banners to include new parameters to indicate the taskforce? And once added, how best would it be to go about tagging all the articles with them, AWB or a bot? I'm hoping to get the taskforce created in the next little while. Thanks! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Funny you're asking that. I was just looking at AWB on how to tag it but didn't get it to work. I did notice that User talk:AnomieBOT has an approved WikiProject tagging bot, which requires a list of categories and a linked discussion. So once you create the task force, the first discussion can be to approve the list and file the request. What do you think? Gonnym (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I just looked at the talk heading regarding it. If I'm reading correctly, is the process linking discussions on WikiProject Film and TV necessary for this? Category should be easy, since it's anything in Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe and all subcategories. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think even a discussion on the task force page itself is enough. Yeah, we've already done the work in the categories space years ago so that is very simple! I did have a question though regarding the task force. Since it's a child of film/, would that look strange on a TV article like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Should the task force also be setup in the TV template as a child? Can it even be a child of two? Gonnym (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Copy on the discussion. I don't think it would be any different than how the comic book films taskforce is set up. As they do, we could set up a soft redirect similar to WikiProject_Comics/Comic_book_films_work_group at WikiProject Television/Marvel Cinematic Universe task force. I'm currently editing/prepping the taskforce in the Film project namespace, but have not gone live. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The task force is live. I've created template requests for both the Film and TV projects to add the MCU code for the task force and will try to make a request with the bot. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I made one mistake in the code for the Television project banner. In the code for "TF_8_NESTED", I put "mcu" when it should be "Marvel Cinematic Universe". I saw the issue when I tagged the Phase Four article. Can you make that change? Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, one more. When Anomie asked about importance tagging, I realized that the Film banner can not individually handle MCU importance. I'm made that adjustment in its sandbox here if that can be updated to its template so we can get to importance ranking at some point. Thanks again. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Added your changes. Gonnym (talk) 13:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Favre1fan93 I've created a list of past DYK here. Do you have an idea how best to create a task force sub-page to list/do something with them? Gonnym (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * When Portals were a thing (remember those?), we had a sub page there, that we just copied or transcluded in the DYK text so they were basically just a list of them. We could probably do something similar? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that could work. Do you have an example of how that worked? Did you transclude the template itself or just the hook? I'm also never sure what the hook is with these, as some of these have "alt" hooks and the result is always just "promoted" (never actually been to these pages before). Gonnym (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If I'm remembering correctly, we just copy/pasted the text, not actually using the nomination pages. The actual hooks appear on each talk page, so that's easy to find them/double check what was used. We could do the following on the subpage:


 * ... that Neal McDonough's appearance in the Marvel One-Shot short film Agent Carter was supposed to be shot in a pool, but could not because of the muscle suit he wears to portray Dum Dum Dugan? (nomination)
 * next DYK here, etc.
 * - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll work on it now. Gonnym (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I was reexamining the coding and hooks implemented for WikiProject Film (since I just copy/pasted what the others were doing), but I don't think we need some of the other categories. I wanted your opinion. Cat 1 (Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe articles needing an image) I could maybe see being useful, but Cats 2-4 (Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe articles needing an infobox, Category:Core film articles supported by the Marvel Cinematic Universe task force, and Category:Core Marvel Cinematic Universe articles needing expansion) I definitely don't. If you agree, can you remove that code? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are a lot of times the nested task forces don't need these extra categories. I'll remove the code. Gonnym (talk) 06:49, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Nominate the categories for speedy deletion as author. Gonnym (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, you aren't the creator. Nm. Gonnym (talk) 06:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * They'll be empty long enough for CS1 to kick in. Also, with your edit, you didn't readjust "CAT_5" to be "CAT_1". It's currently mismatched. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops! Fixed! Gonnym (talk) 06:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Jamai Raja
User:Gonnym hi I have seen you moved the 2014 tv series page as well as the other 2017 one. I wanted to tell you that for all the 2014 Zee Tv cast of Jamai Rana are linked to the wrong page pry have added the film name instead of the 2014 tv series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.70.41 (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Could you give me a link where it is the incorrect link? If this is something I did I can fix it, but if people just linked to the wrong article there is not a lot I can do. Gonnym (talk) 13:00, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, , , , , , , ,, , — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.70.41  (talk • contribs) 13:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As I suspected. The original links were incorrectly linking to the film in the first place. That was part of the reason I moved the film article, so errors like this could be found. I'm not going to fix these issues, as I wasn't the one causing them, and I have no idea what actor was in what without reading the articles, which I have no time to do. That said, if you are familiar with this topic, you could fix the links. Gonnym (talk) 13:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Syrian parliamentary election, 2007
It must have slipped my mind when I did the mass nom before I broke up the Asian elections templates. I'll nominate it under June 23. Thanks for noticing. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Academy
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61st Golden Reel Award (Motion Picture Sound Editors)
Hello, Gonnym,

You moved this page several times and then tagged the original location for speedy deletion. Please do not do more than one page move so that the admin who looks over a CSD request can see what the original page was and who was the original page creator. I tried to track this one down but there were redirects of redirects and so it was unclear what the page at this location originally was. I don't think you intentionally were trying to mask what was going on so please just think through a move so that a page won't have to be moved several times in a short period of time. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 22:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @Liz I'm pretty sure that isn't correct Liz. I created 2 pages, 61st and 64th. Moved both 1 time. Not sure where you saw additional moves. Gonnym (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

More categories
Hi, thanks for following up the next level of Category:Taxis. It's probably on your list already but just in case, please note that there are more layers of sub-cats to be nominated.

Also, some of the "unknown parameters" tracking categories that you have renamed are now out of line with their other siblings, e.g. see Template:Cite_IBD1915/doc. I realise that this could be a big task, but your work so far could be reversed C2C if you don't follow them up. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * @Fayenatic london I'm not sure how to proceed with Category:Taxis by country, all categories use "of country", but some of the articles use "in country" - Taxis in Australia vs Category:Taxicabs of Australia‎. Any idea? Gonnym (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good question! I think the categories should continue to use "of", as part of, referring to specialist taxi vehicles manufactured there. The articles "Taxis in Foo" cover management of taxis, whether the vehicles are specialist or standard cars. Therefore C2D does not come into play here. If any of the categories use "cat main", I suggest you change it to "cat more" while you are doing the nominations.– Fayenatic  L ondon 16:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * About the other tracking categories: sorry, I guess I can't expect you to be a mind reader, and maybe there is no easy way to trace them. Some are listed at Template:Infobox_college_football_team/doc and Template:Infobox_German_place/doc. If you like, I could ping you in edit summaries if I spot others like those when doing CFDS follow-up. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Some categories like Category:Germany articles requiring maintenance don't really have a good title as those pages are used by more than one template so I'm just leaving those. Gonnym (talk) 06:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Potentially dumb question
I notice you have been removing a bunch of hidden template action from "dab templates" such as no source and SPA. If I remember correctly, that code is there so that if someone does try to use the template, it allows for the proper template to be used instead. Is there a reason to remove this code other than "it's not a real template"? Primefac (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If you feel that is needed feel free to restore it. I personally think that a dab page should not try and infer what template a user might want to use, and by doing so, continue letting that user think that they are working correctly. Instead the template should simply break whatever they are doing so they can actually pick the correct action they want. Gonnym (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Template "cleanup"
It's normal for deprecated templates to produce an error message on transclusion, and in some cases, like no source, it's a result of consensus from discussions. I don't know why you've decided that this functionality should be expunged from the face of Wikipedia. Please consider restoring these removals. – Uanfala (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I disagree that it is normal (or that its even needed, or if needed, why not backed into the dab template itself?). That is exists in a few places is something else. Where there is a consensus for it then whatever, but other places, such as Template:Lang-pun there wasn't. If you feel so strongly about pointless code that makes reading the wikitext of the dab page harder, you are free to restore. Gonnym (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, I don't think the mass replacement of Template:X may refer to: with may refer to: was a good idea. The curly brackets don't make sense for users of the visual editor, templates are generally avoided on dab pages (MOS:DABICON), and wrapping the start of the text of any pages inside a template is a bad idea as this text will be hidden in the hovercards view. – Uanfala (talk) 11:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Uanfala, please don't spam my talk page with pointless messages. If you feel your style is better, go ahead. I'm not going to re-edit those pages. Gonnym (talk) 12:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, you're doing doing bold changes at scale, it's not up to others to establish consensus for the status quo. – Uanfala (talk) 12:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 30ish pages is not editing "at scale". What next, do I need to ask your permission before adding any piece of text to an article? Also, I didn't want to get into it as I really couldn't care for this discussion, but since you are still here with this, MOS:DABICON says nowhere to not use "{" or even not using tlb templates, as unless they aid in selecting between articles on the particular search term in question, which they do. Also, looking at Template:no source, notice this revision by yourself, which added tl, tlb and also a large amount of messy template code. Again, please stop posting on my page and do whatever you like with those pages. Gonnym (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, notice how your pointless bindless reversions are adding Category:Template disambiguation pages which is not needed as the template handles them. Great editing, keep it up! Gonnym (talk) 12:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:Election and referendum result templates
Just wanted your point of view on this. Do you think this cat should be a container category? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the issue is that a large quantity of the templates there aren't categorized which is why I added code to the template so automatically place them in the category. If those are handled, then I can remove the code. Gonnym (talk) 08:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @WikiCleanerMan I modified the template to try and place the templates in correct country categories based on the 1 value passed to it (which itself is based on the template name I think). There should be new red categories which should be created for these. Gonnym (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

The SK category is empty. Why the speedy renaming? Are there other SK templates because if there are, I'll or you can remove the speedy deletion tag. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You do realize I placed it in CfD before it was empty right? :) Gonnym (talk) 08:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I hadn't. But are there other SK election templates in the huge mess of a category? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No idea. Any template that had the country name in it is in a country category, but if they have a lower level name, then it's in the main category. Gonnym (talk) 15:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Infobox television episode
Two of your recent updates to Template talk:Infobox television episode have resulted in a few minor issues. A few weeks ago I started a brief discussion on the template's talk page detailing the errors. Would you please revert those edits or join into the discussion I have started to resolve the issues. Grapesoda22 (talk) 04:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * There were two issues you mentioned. The guest issue is fixable and is waiting on a fix on a fully protected template which I've made a request. Once that is fixed, the guest label should appear as you wanted. The multi_episodes parameter is not coming back for a single place. Gonnym (talk) 08:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for having the guest header reverted. As for the other issue it should be fine as long similar instances continue to happen. Grapesoda22 (talk) 02:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

WVRDR_ERROR_100  notFound
This is the title of Legends of Tomorrow's 100th episode. But how do I create a draft/redirect with the restricted characters? Kailash29792 (talk)  03:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Gonnym if you care to comment, I'm discussing this with Kailash on my talk. You can join there if you choose to keep the discussion points centralized. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Table footnotes
I've requested a third opinion on the issue. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Well that's at least better than simply forcing your way. Gonnym (talk) 11:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Infobox television season subheader
Heya, Gonnym, got a question about Template:Infobox television season / Module:Infobox television season name. How would we go about being able to manually set the infobox subheader, when it being automatic doesn't fit/work? For example, Doctor Who (2008–2010 specials) should read "2008–2010 specials" instead of "Series special". -- / Alex /21  00:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Alex 21, I've done some refactoring to the code and added support for pages in the style of "x specials" to use the disambiguation as-is. Could you please test with Template:Infobox television season/sandbox (and remove the series_number value) and let me know if you find any other titles it doesn't work with? Gonnym (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems to be working for the articles that I'm after! If a case pops up with unexpected results, I'll let you know. But in the meantime, thanks! -- / Alex /21  09:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll update the live versions then. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

TFD's
From August 8 to 12, I've nominated more of these election templates. A lot of the templates I've started nominating under August 12 are these Hamilton, Canada templates which there are way too many of. There will be more for August 13. Letting you know since the main category will be cleared up soon. Some are still open from August 5. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I took a bit of a pause from TfD as it was too much for me to handle. I'll go back today and go over the nominations. Gonnym (talk) 06:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:REDNOT problems with Malaysian election templates
Something appears to have gone a bit wrong with a few of your edits to Malaysian election articles, causing multiple nonexistent templates to show up on Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates. Can you please take a look? Example: Malaysian general election, 1986 (Labuan), added in this edit. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it was in the collapsed table before. Since the template does not exist it can just be removed as far as I'm concerned. Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

R from Unicode/emoji
Hello, I noticed that here, you've made a bunch of AWB replacements removing R from Unicode where the redirect title is a single character. I saw you fix that here and added the rcat on a couple redirects myself, but maybe you can take a look at that yourself? User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'll take a look later at the list of emojis I did a pass on and add the unicode template to the ones that should have it. Thanks for the message. Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Nepal Templates
Not sure if the ping was sent from my talk page but I responded on there. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Template question
Gonnym, would you have any idea why setting 'state=collapsed' is not working for Template:Teletoon? TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * because it doesn't have a state paramenter... :) Gonnym (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, that worked. Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Template deletion
Good day WikiCleanerMan and Gonnym. Thank you for your message regarding the proposed deletion of the European Parliament constituency templates. I note the discussion at[1] has been closed. I apologise for not replying earlier but circumstances prevented. I note your proposed replacements[3][4]. I have taken archive copies[2] of the pages so the data will not be lost when you delete them. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_30#Template:European_Parliament_constituencies_1979%E2%80%931984
 * [2] https://archive.is/J0ROA, https://archive.is/qDvto, https://archive.is/MeFDB, https://archive.is/4HQLJ, https://archive.is/XYUmu, https://archive.is/dsAga, https://archive.is/OoWwq, https://archive.is/azNmf, https://archive.is/ziWyx, https://archive.is/nmG5P
 * [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:European_Parliament_former_constituencies
 * [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:European_Parliament_constituencies_2020%E2%80%932024 (renamed)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Module variables
Hi, just out of curiosity, can I ask what the point of this edit to Module:Infobox film/track was? AFAIK a module is executed once per invocation in its own scope so a local declared in the outermost scope isn't strictly global. I guess it could interfere in case the module was expanded with more functions to be used by other modules; is that what you were going for? Nardog (talk) 10:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As a short answer as to not get too technical, best practice in coding is to not use global variables when they aren't needed, and instead use them at the lowest scope level. Passing variables to a function is the correct usage of a function and should be used. See as references this and this. Gonnym (talk) 11:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They're not global though. Any variable declared with  cannot be accessed from any other module or any other invocation. Your code may indeed be preferable in the long run but that rationale doesn't apply. Nardog (talk) 04:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Canada Elections
Look at this monstrosity. This one is slightly less bad. The Canada category is a complete mess and should be the last thing we should try to deal with. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah...I saw that at the start and was hoping you wouldn't touch it til the very end. That and the US are going to be a lot of drama. Gonnym (talk) 09:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Listen, I'm going to empty the North American and Oceania templates. It's pointless to have only two categories and it'll be easier to navigate from the main cats. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're interested in the Tfd's, there are a few open from August 20 to 25. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Some more have been added from the 26 to 28. I'll be taking a break from these election templates before you or I take on the cats with over a hundred templates and the problematic Malaysian and Phillippines templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Update: The last remaining election Tfd's have been relisted on September 4 to 6. These are the last ones from August. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:23, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Tom (LT) (talk) 04:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Category names
"Pages using infobox film" makes no sense to me. No one would call the template "infobox film". "Pages using Infobox film" or "Pages using film infobox" would, however, make sense. Nardog (talk) 13:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * So you're saying no one would call Infobox film "infobox film", really? Gonnym (talk) 13:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No. If you're not capitalizing it and putting no articles before it, then "Pages with infobox film" only reads as pages that have "film" pertaining to "infobox". If you're treating it as a proper noun then you have to capitalize it. If you're using it as a generic noun then you have to put "infobox" second. Nardog (talk) 13:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see what you mean now. I personally don't mind capitalizing it as you are probably correct that it is better. It somehow become the convention at Category:Infoboxes with unknown parameters that the spelling was lowercase and then other tracking categories just followed the same naming to be consistent. Gonnym (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Netherlands election result templates


A tag has been placed on Category:Netherlands election result templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Erroneous removal
Greetings Gonnym. I apologise for removing your technical move request without acting on it. It was an unintentional error, on my part. I'll review everything associated with your request and if actions are still required, I'll accomplish them for you, in accordance with your request. Again, I apologise. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, everything was taken care of already so all good. I just pinged you just in case there were more removed as I didn't check any others. Gonnym (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Degrassi infobox
Sorry about the color scheme. I intended for it to look better but I lost interest in editing. ToQ100gou (talk) 02:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Television crossover infobox
Thank you for this, I see you mentioned single-episode crossovers but it is also useful for crossovers like this where the two series themselves are from separate franchises. The Doctor Who (talk) 20:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Even better! Gonnym (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Unused Templates Task Force
I didn't tag you on the WikiProject Templates talk page, but if you want to participate and join the task force idea since you're active at Tfd's, take a look at if you get the chance. Do you need a link to it? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The link being Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates? Gonnym (talk) 16:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

The task force has been created. You can add yourself to the project if you want to. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Maintenance category question
I'm doing some regex testing for clearing some of the incorrectly formatted dates in the various TV maintenance categories. Do the maintenance categories take into account the inclusion of a note like in a param like "OriginalAirDate" such as in Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go? I've looked at that page and all the dates themselves seem to be formatted correctly using, so I can't figure what's keeping it in the maintenance cat other than the additional efn - or maybe I'm missing something? Butler Blog  (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I wasn't the one who setup the error tracking in the Episode list template so I'll have to check that, but you could just do a test on an empty page to see if the note is the one that trips it. Gonnym (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Butlerblog, ok so it seems that if the airdate it left completely empty it is also placed in that category. Episode 20 is currently blank which is why it is like that. Gonnym (talk) 18:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I think it was the this. Seems to be OK now.   Butler Blog   (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Aşk Mantık İntikam
@Gonnym Good day, I finished the series article I created, Aşk Mantık İntikam you can check it out Lake Van monster (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I've helped you out by cleaning the article a bit here, but it still needs work. When you think you are ready click on the button that says "submit draft for review" and someone with more experience will let you know what needs to be done. Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw it thanks for your help I'm trying to get used to it have a good day sir Lake Van monster (talk) 13:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

My Name
Hey uh why did you remove the hyperlinks I made for the "My Name" Wiki series — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmiliaPains (talk • contribs) 17:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Look at the template doc of Template:Infobox television. It says there Do not link to a country article and Do not link to a language article. Gonnym (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

TV Maintenance Category
I have cleared most of the Category:Pages_using_infobox_television_episode_with_unnecessary_manual_displaytitle maintenance category. All that's left is what is also in Category:Pages using infobox television episode with non-matching title, so I think that's all that can be done for that one. Butler Blog  (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Wow, great job (again!)! I'm slowly going over the non-matching title lists (as I previously said, most of them are TV plays) and cleaning up their articles and removing them from that category. Others are switched over to Infobox film as they aren't episodes at all. And a few others are using some kind of valid title alteration, which I need to figure out to handle so I can remove them from that category. Gonnym (talk) 16:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. In the meantime, I worked out some regular expressions in AWB to go through the cats with date issues.  I cleared Category:Episode lists with unformatted air dates which didn't have too many entries.  That helped work out the regexes for converting things like "January 1, 2000" to " January 1, 2000 " and similar for "df=y" (and a reverse of the process cleared Category:Episode lists with incorrectly formatted alternate air dates).  Then I moved on to Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard dates.  That one is tricky (and huge) - there are a lot of different possibilities, and after some time working out various regexes to handle the different problems, I realized that it could get extremely tedious. So for now I settled on working the "low hanging fruit" - just clearing out one problem at a time, starting with just the "airdate" param.  I've done about around 1500 so far and now that I have tuned the regex for "airdate" I am able to breeze through the ones that only have a date (no ref tag or extra characters). So far, I think that might be a around a third of the entries in the category.  I'll wrap that up and then figure out the next step - I may be grinding on this category for awhile.  Just thought I'd let you know.    Butler Blog   (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update and the work! Yeah the date one is really hard because there are just so many ways that editors added that value. We had a bot that worked for a short time and had regex for several different styles but the bot owner stopped running it. I believe that there should be around 3k difficult styles while the rest are styles that can be fixed with a good regex. With these categories it is just easier to figure out what to do after others are fixed. Gonnym (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I am definitely seeing how that is the case! Here's a question related to the "airdate" param in the episode infobox: The template info says it's the date using  .  I assume ref tags are OK.  But what about instances where there is additional info that is not a ref or the date?  Some include number of viewers, country, network, etc.  Should that extraneous non-ref info be removed?    Butler Blog   (talk) 14:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken if the Start date template is used then it passes regardless if anything is there. That said, the WP:INFOBOXREF is pretty clear that refs should not belong there unless the information is unique to the infobox (which it shouldn't be in the television infobox situation). So ideally, all refs should be moved out of the infobox. However, viewers, country and network do not belong in that field ever. Gonnym (talk) 15:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's helpful. I'm glad I asked because I originally left some of those with refs (only a few before I really got started).  Since some of those are a mixture of refs and alternate airdates, I adjusted to only do the ones with a pure "airdate = (some date)".  That cleared about half of what was in the maintenance category.  I am currently working on the remainder scanning specifically for entries where the "first_aired" param is like January 1 (or 1 January) with no year. Also trying to catch entries where first_aired is a range (like January 1, 1990 - December 1, 1991). As I go and adjust the regex to ignore false positives, I am noting other possible issues that I can scan for next.  I figure I'll just keep whittling down the entries in the category as best I can for now.  I may circle back with more clarification questions on proper format.   Butler Blog   (talk) 17:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's basically how I go about these big lists. Do the easier ones, then notice a pattern I can also add, and include that as well. There are also dts usages hiding in the dates which should be easy to replace. I've made an update to the code that does all the validation so you'll see some of the categories get updated with entries. Gonnym (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! (I did catch the dts usage and am screening for that as well)    Butler Blog   (talk) 21:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It took me awhile, but I have now been through the complete maintenance category once. Between what was missed by my various regexes, what was skipped out of uncertainty, and what may have been done by others, there are around 2200 left.  I'm not sure what we started with but I think it was more than double that amount.  I'm now doing some refinements and will run through it again and try to get it down from there.    Butler Blog   (talk) 20:23, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Neighbours episodes
Hi. I noticed that when you removed the IMDb links from the Neighbours episodes, the template now automatically links to a redirect. There is unlikely to be a list of episodes for a soap opera that has been airing since 1985, so is there a way to disable this? - JuneGloom07 Talk  03:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The value of episode_list must only be a wikipedia link, so that link must be removed no matter what. For soap opera articles such as this, there is a variation. If you use a Storyline link, it will change the text to "Storylines" which most have. Gonnym (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you! - JuneGloom07 Talk  20:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Category:Franchise navigational boxes → Category:Media franchises navigational boxes
This is to notify you that I have nominated the category that you have created for speedy renaming. —⁠andrybak (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:IMDb episode
Hey there, I believe in this edit you made, you introduced an extra white space character in the template, that causes there to be an extra space between the quotes and the external link icon. I can't fix it myself because the template is protected. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * . – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jonesey! Gonnym (talk) 07:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

undoing without understanding
But why didn't you read what I wrote ? Your presump[tion "If you want to ..." is not applicable, and I answered. If you want to "fix" something with that knowledge, you should have made a different, responding edit. -DePiep (talk) 08:26, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I did read what you wrote, which is why I noted that what you did was wrong. You redirected Template:P-phrases/text/doc to Template:GHS phrases/doc which caused the page to receive its documentation and categorization. Then you didn't want that, so you replaced the Documentation transclusion with a  improper   link. The correct thing to do was to remove the redirect link. The reason I didn't do that in the first place is that I don't read minds. I have no idea what your intention is, which is why I noted This just links to the documentation template and disassociates Template:P-phrases/text/doc with this page. If you want to blank the /doc then just remove the redirect from that page. If you didn't understand what I meant, you should have asked like you are doing now, instead of just reverting. Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No need to patronise me in the first place. There is no "wrong", there is no "must do it like I wopuld do it". Clearly, your presumption was wrong from the start, and now you feel the need to turn jutifications to fit. I know a bit about templates and transclusion, thank you. Now please stop interfering with relevant edits. -DePiep (talk) 08:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My presumption was not wrong and I'm not looking for any justification. My above statement is exactly the same as my original one. If you continue to incorrectly break the /doc page, I'll continue fixing it. Gonnym (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "incorrectly breaking" -- nothing is broken. It's just that you would have done it differently. I am working in this areaa, heavily actually, and I can do without this "help". -DePiep (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is actually broken. Not trying to "patronize" you again, but since you are claiming it isn't breaking, I need to explain. Your edit is disassociating the documentation subpage with the template. In essence you are orphaning a page. If you want to gone, then nominate it for deletion. It can probably be speedy as well. Edits like this create broken template links or this creates broken redirect links. Also, please note, that I'm not helping you or actually need your approval for editing those pages. I will say that I'm saddened by your response as our discussions are usually pleasant. Gonnym (talk) 08:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "If you want [it] to gone" -- I know.
 * "speedy" -- still thinking I wanted to delete the page?
 * "orphaning a page" -- I know. Still, that is not breaking anything.
 * "disassociating the documentation subpage" -- I know. Is ecactly what I wanted to do.
 * "create broken template links" --- not so. They remove template links. And absent link is not a broken link. broken=dysfunctioning, quod non.
 * All in all, you are wrong in the "breaks" part. Then, after my 1st revert, you could have checked where my actions come from. Or asked. Could have prevented me getting cynical, likely. Also, such interest could have prevented you from feeling the need to even advise me on "speedy".
 * Anyway, kind request to not interfere with my complicated, well-thought and GF edit process. -DePiep (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * /sigh. Regardless of your intention to break things and disassociate the /doc page without wanting to delete it, that is still wrong. You have the right to believe it's correct, but that does not make it so. Gonnym (talk) 10:29, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Your description of my intention is malicious and, by now proven, WP:BF. -DePiep (talk) 13:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * /sigh. Gonnym (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * /sigh. Gonnym (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Beating my head against a wall
Can't figure out why the delink call in Module:Political party/sandbox isn't working (lines 2 and 24), it's pretty much identical to other module uses that call Module:delink but something is causing it to not return any value (and thus throwing global index errors). What obvious bit of code am I missing? Primefac (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * @Primefac I've looked at your code yesterday and it did work for me but because I didn't have your testcases I didn't know what you were seeing. Are there any tests set that I can work with? Gonnym (talk) 08:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Primefac Without knowing what error you are refering to, I'd guess that it was Module:Political party/sandbox not using a "local" here. I've also done some other changes while I was fixing that. I've placed the default color as a "constant" so it will be easier to identify and change if needed; moved the delink module call to local, as it is used only once so no need for a "global"; and replaced the error invocation with a manual one as the additional information it produced was just "noise" for the casual user. Module talk:Political party/testcases seems to pass. Gonnym (talk) 09:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Primefac (talk) 11:33, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_November_14#Template:Difference_between_Cannabis_indica_and_Cannabis_sativa
Where's the text now? --Bawanio (talk) 15:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


 * If you look at the history at Cannabis strain you will see that it was removed from the article by @KoA with the summary "Too many issues with poor sourcing, WP:MEDRS, etc. Also removing the odd template that found it's way in here earlier."
 * The text is now handled just as any content information. If you feel like it's good then revert or take it to the article talk page, or to KoA's talk page. Gonnym (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Shortname
Just to clarify, this is a shortname (it is taken from Liberal Force/meta/shortname, which was created after the module subpages were created). Shortnames are the names for the party used in infoboxes etc. It is not an actual description of what form the name takes (see my comment here).

Unfortunately this confusion has been caused by the move of content from shortname templates into the abbrev field, which I hope will be reversed when the next run is done to pick up the content of the templates. Cheers, Number   5  7  14:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I understood where you got the data from but as long as we use a system with a short name and with an abbreviation, then we should use the data in a semantically correct way. In this situation, "Liberal Force" is the full name, a name like "Liberal " might be the short name, but "LF" is the abbreviation. Regarding the removal and use of only one type, you have much more knowledge here than me, so if you say there is no need for them, we can merge them. That said, there will be need for a cleanup and decision making as a lot of entries have both values. Gonnym (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The semantics are not relevant though – shortname and abbrv templates have different uses, and we should have whatever is in shortname templates in the shortname field (people getting hung up on the names 'shortname' and 'abbreviation' was one of my concerns about this process). Perhaps the answer is to rename them as name1 (for /meta/shortname) and name2 (for meta/abbrev) to stop this confusion. Number   5  7  15:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I disagree with you here, both on ignoring the semantics and on using meaningless names. Other editors building on this system should know if a template requests a shortname or an abbreviation and it shouldn't be some random witchcraft of what you get. On a personal note (as I said on the module talk page), I believe the usage of abbreviation in itself is horrible as most readers aren't familiar with them. Gonnym (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a case of agreeing/disagreeing though; it is a fact that shortname templates are used to display party names in infoboxes and what is in the /meta/shortname templates is what editors think is the correct name to use, whether that's 'Conservative' or 'SNP'. The term 'shortname' is simply a convenient name for the set of templates, not an instruction of what format that name has to be in. Cheers, Number   5  7  16:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If the infobox requires that a party name use a short name then that name should be used. An abbreviation is not a short name. If a template requires an abbreviation, then a short name is incorrect. A template should not say "put whatever you want", if it does, that is bad design and other systems should not bend over to support that. Instead, that template should be corrected. Regardless though, Primefac did bend over to support that and has made the module use fallbacks to get some value if one exists. Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The infobox requires that the shortname template is used, not that a 'short name' is used. There is no such concept as a 'short name' for political parties on Wikipedia. The names of the templates should not be taken literally. I don't know how else to explain this... Number   5  7  17:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you think me not agreeing with you means I don't understand. I've explained several times, but I'll do so again, a template should tell the editors using it what it requires. Does it require the party's full name? Does it require the party's article title on en.wiki? Does it require the an official abbreviation? Does it require a made up abbreviation? Does it require some made up shorter name? Whatever it requires, it should require only 1 type and not an "anything goes" option. Gonnym (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Then I think the conclusion is that we need to rename the fields (we could replace shortname with 'infoboxname' and abbrev/abbr with 'listname' (as they seem to be primarily used in lists) and write up some documentation about what is expected in each. Number   5  7  17:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That could work in explaining the type of usage but that raises two questions. What would the type of name be in the values of "infoboxname" and "listname"? If we get a mixed type then we're back to the present situation. The second question is, will we get duplicate values? Gonnym (talk) 17:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There will be mixed types in infobox names, because that's how parties are commonly referred to in real life – i.e. Conservative/Labour/SNP. If your issue is with this practice and you want to stop it, that's a separate discussion that would require an RfC. In the meantime, we should stick to what editors have determined to be the best names to use in these situations and transfer across shortnames as they are at present. Number   5  7  17:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The system you are describing can't work. Here is a simple scenario: You have two infobox templates that require "infoboxname". User A adds party1 ("Democratic Socialist Party (Ireland)") and expects to get "Democratic Socialist", user B adds the same party to their page and expects to get "DSP". In your proposed system both users are correct to expect the value of "infoboxname", yet each user wants a different value. This is why in coding semantics are important. The user then can request either an "abbreviation" or something else. Also, I really do not think that the en.wiki practice has any real consensus. Most editors just copy/paste without giving it any thought. Template:Bahujan Republican Socialist Party/meta/color had a value of "BARESP Flag Coloure" (if what was in the module was copied correctly) and more than a few editors created a /color template with a value of "transparent". And I haven't even talked about the hundred of almost identical election table templates. Consensus is formed with people understanding the meaning of their actions, not editors going through the motions. I also disagree that any RfC is needed here. Gonnym (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It can work, because it's worked like that for well over a decade. If there's a disagreement about the best name to use, then it's dealt with by discussion, as has happened occasionally with the meta/shortname templates. Even if we actually had a 'short name' field, there would still be disagreements about the correct short name to use for some parties which would require resolution. And while you think we should not use Labour and SNP alongside each other, I could not disagree more strongly. It's a matter of opinion, not a right/wrong.
 * I also don't think the example you give above is correct representation of how things work, as infoboxes and table templates are hardcoded to use either shortname or abbr – users do not get to request which output they get on a case-by-case basis. If you put a party into a certain template, you always get whichever output that template specifies.
 * An RfC is definitely required if a significant change to current practice is implemented, which would be the case with a bulk change of stopping using SNP etc. as shortnames – it would affect thousands of articles. The TfD that led to this piece of work was an agreement to merge the templates, not to change their outputs. Number   5  7  18:11, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Tiger King 2
Hello, Gonnym,

Next time you move an article from main space to Draft space, could you tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2? It would help admins who patrol speedy deletion categories. Thank you!

Thank you also for checking over templates due for deletion so that admins who don't know the ins and outs of the template world can take care of them. Liz Read! Talk! 02:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem! Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

deletion process
Your edit in Chembox Hazards was not all helpfull. By removing the parameter we are forced into a different deprecation scheme. I'd prefer you'd wait for requests, since editors are working in this already.

Anyway, while we are at it: could you put the sandbox code into live, for just one lc/uc typo: ? Thx. -DePiep (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Could you explain in more words what was not helpful in that edit? By removing it from |opt=, any usage is now shown at Category:Pages using Chembox with unknown parameters. Gonnym (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about -related changes then. For starters, that |opt= thing is an unwanted complication. No need to describe detail examples now, next time the situation will be different while even so disturbing. Point is that I am asking for coordination beforehand because multiple editors are working in this area (in this case I could have made my remarks beforehand = prevent the issueette). Or leave it to me altogether, as no harm is done so no fire brigade needed. Apart from the hard TfD deletions, -related developments are discussed separately at GHS phrases; the deletion process is in my head. -DePiep (talk) 07:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've asked a question to know what exactly was an issue, and you've given me a long comment about that didn't answer it ("|opt= thing is an unwanted complication" is not an answer as I didn't create that system or use it in that template). Once you nominated Template:Chembox RSPhrases out of process an edit to remove it from the template was going to happen. Gonnym (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 1. I did answer: cooperation beforehand. (I am not obliged to explain afterwards: the point is that coordination beforehand was misising; no need to argue "I do not accept your explanation so my edit was correct").
 * 2. And no that deletion did not automate further edits as you did. (A bit strange that you still say that after I noted that such edit is problematic).
 * The problem seems to be that you do not want to engage in a timely talk? -DePiep (talk) 09:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * DePier, since you've commented with I am not obliged to explain afterwards and that deleting a template but leaving a template call in another template is OK, there really isn't anything for us to keep discussing. Gonnym (talk) 09:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No, you are making a technical mistake here. You were not deleting red template calls (as we know, the deleted template had no mainsp transclusions when made Speedy). Alas, since you do not recognise the issue here (ie, knowingly interfering with template edits without consulting co-editors), this discussion could be for the archives indeed. For the record, that is. Also, I don't think citing WP:TPE at this point would help. -DePiep (talk) 11:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The template transclusions - this. Sadly you have an issue of not understanding or not wanting to understand. You aren't here on my talk page to actually discuses anything so please leave me alone. Gonnym (talk) 11:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. It was idle, as Speedy requires. Also, you removed a parameter from the whitelist (see OP) what is unrelated to this argument. (See what happens? "My edit was right so I don't need to discuss" &mdash; @09:25 I wrote predictive "I do not accept your explanation so my edit was correct"). As for 'not wanting to understand': I see some evasion indeed. Bye. -DePiep (talk) 12:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Your reverts
First of all, you are correct. References don't really belong in infoboxes, however did you really need to just revert them? Rather than moving them to a better place in the article, you removed an entirely valid reference to content that is often incorrectly changed in some articles. You could have even just left me a message stating that I shouldn't have put them in there and I could fix them. In the mean time, they would not have done any harm as is until they were placed in a better spot. Thanks. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 16:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You are probably correct that I should have left you a message on your talk page instead, which is partially why I stopped reverting halfway seeing as there were so many still left (so please take care of those also). However it actually does harm. The infobox has many stuff it does behind the scene automatically to make a more consistent and a better reader-experience. One of them is that the episode attempts to know when it is a multi-part episode article or a single episode article. The reason I knew about the references in the infobox is because another editor brought it up on the template page (it was marking those episode as a multi-episode). Gonnym (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Empty categories
Hello, Gonnym,

Thanks so much for tagging those hundreds of empty template categories. They would have overwhelmed our nightly Empty categories list. What a chore! Thanks for taking on these necessary but less obvious jobs. It makes other editors' & admins lives easier and it is appreciated. I have a lot to thank you for lately! Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I just wish you would tag categories during my waking hours! You must live in the UK or Europe. I'm in the U.S., West Coast so our editing hours differ. But thank you for all of your tagging. Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Tropical cyclones by decade/1980–1989
I've un-redirected Tropical cyclones in 1980 and am now working on it again. 🐔dat (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, but to be honest, if you aren't going to be finishing this up soon, you should really be working on it in the draft namespace as the current article is pretty much empty. Also, regarding the TfD, that doesn't really change that much as even with this one article, there is no value to the navbox. Gonnym (talk) 11:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Gonnym/sandbox
It appears that all of the templates listed in User:Gonnym/sandbox no longer have transclusions. I am guessing that you are processing your way through them, so I will defer to you to nominate them for deletion when you are ready. This is just a note in case you missed that list for some reason. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You can feel free to nominate any template on the list. I just copied the dump from the unwanted templates so I'll know what's appearing then I check for more templates in the category that are transcluded only on their on template page. The next group I'm working on is the Romanian so it will take me a while to get to the others there. Gonnym (talk) 22:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, ✅. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
Merry Clint-mas, Gonnym! Here's to a 2022 full of madness! InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Graphical timeline components
Template:Graphical timeline components has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Izno (talk) 00:10, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Doc-code
Have to say, I basically agree with 'we don't need these' and have been thinking about deletion of that template for a while now. For interwiki links, people aren't going to know where to go either way and are likely going to need to ask somewhere about 'where do these go' (even if Wikidata weren't a concept that people needed to deal with in the rest of their editing outside of template space). And regarding categories, that can be a teaching moment, if indeed the references are even used (since all the major templates already do it like that, which is the main way of learning here anyway). Why even have a separate documentation page at the point of some of the comments at the related TFD? :) Izno (talk) 02:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Template:Malaysian party colour
Hello, Gonnym,

I'm not sure what is going on with this template but all of the relevant categories emptied out along with others like Category:Pages using Malaysian party colour with background option. You can see them at Database reports/Empty categories.

Is this a temporary problem or are these categories going to stay empty? Typically, when a template gets deleted, you tag the empty categories but in this case, the template still exists and I'm just wondering what's going on. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I was testing the switch case to see what is actually being used. I'll do another pass and delete them tomorrow. Gonnym (talk) 02:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Your edit summaries
Your edit summaries are incorrect and quite uncivil. Further, this was not a revert in the way that you imply, it was done via undo with an edit summary, both times. Revert/rollback are different and I'd expect an editor of your tenure to know better and lastly, your other edit summary, I assume you meant to chide me about an edit summary, not merely an "edit", which I used. So I'd encourage re-think your approach, thanks. :) SANTADICAE🎅  00:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually I think it was quite fine. You reverted, you know how I know? I got a ping that my edit was reverted. Need more than that? Your comment was Rv nonsensical spammy, with "rv" a short for revert. Understand what your actions are first before you come lecturing. Now to the actual issue, you didn't like what the IP did and instead of just removing what they added, you reverted everything else with it. In doing so you also added a deleted template (among all the other valid changes you reverted). Gonnym (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

edit title Aliasghar Mojarrad article
hello

The title of this athlete's article is wrong Should be changed to Aliasghar Mojarad

Can you do that? Amiir.masterr (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox reality competition season/examples
Template:Infobox reality competition season/examples has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Party color template rows to rowspan
Hey. I just started AWB to convert all usages of rows to rowspan for both and  — DaxServer (talk) 10:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ Hopefully I updated all of them — DaxServer (talk) 12:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've set up tracking to see if any are still around. Gonnym (talk) 12:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Template:Monetary Policy Committee composition August 2002 – September 2002 and friends?
Hey there! Every time I scroll through the unused template report, Monetary Policy Committee composition August 2002 – September 2002 and its friends catch my eye. Are you planning to nominate them for deletion before the next report refresh? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll try to get to it before the refresh, I was working on batches of color and train stuff. Gonnym (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Another unused template
Template:Taxobox/core/sandbox2 was last edited in 2012 (by a now blocked user), so can be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * @Peter coxhead done. What about the 4 templates at Category:Unused taxobox templates, still needed? Gonnym (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought they were unused when I added them to the category, and looking again now, I think I was right then. So they can be deleted (as can the category). Peter coxhead (talk) 13:25, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, what about Template:Taxonomy/ (not Template:Taxonomy)? It seems connected to Template:Taxobox/taxonomy cell. Gonnym (talk) 13:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems to be another orphaned by the conversion to Lua of the traversal of the taxonomic hierarchy. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, great. I've sent them all to TfD. Gonnym (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Peter coxhead a few more that need your input:
 * Template:Editintro/Group/Template:Taxonomy
 * I'm not sure that I really understand what this was supposed to do or still does, so I'm wary of saying delete it. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Taxonomy/Polysporangiophyta/?
 * This is used as an example in part of the documentation of the automated taxobox system (at Automated taxobox system/advanced taxonomy) so should not be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Does it matter for the example that Template:Taxonomy/Horneophytopsida/?/? does not have the parent the example in the doc says it has? Gonnym (talk) 17:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should have – thanks. Now corrected. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Taxonomy/species
 * I see I blanked it but forgot to put it in Category:Unnecessary taxonomy templates, which I've now done. Can definitely be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Taxonomy key/manual
 * I see I blanked it but didn't nominate it for deletion. Can definitely be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Taxon findall
 * Added . Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Taxon list/line
 * Added . Peter coxhead (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The last 2 you created so if those aren't used, you can speedy them. Gonnym (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Peter coxhead hey, if you can it would be helpful if you commented at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022_January_9 it wouldn't be needlessly relisted. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Template:ACE discussion
Hello, Gonnym,

There are some problems with this template, the one obvious to me is the red-link category ("Elections" should be "elections") but I didn't want to revert your edit and I didn't see a way to change the categorization. Could you fix this? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The category was on the /doc page. It was like that before, I just moved the doc to the subpage. Gonnym (talk) 01:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Makes section linking better
How so? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait, I see them. Hidden under Television. ToC needs expansion. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You have two headers with the name "Marvel Studios". If you want to link to one in a discussion, you naturally do Marvel Cinematic Universe. With your change, an editor trying to do Marvel Cinematic Universe will get to the wrong section. To reach the correct section they will need to write Marvel Cinematic Universe, however that is an unclear link and just invites problems down the road. Gonnym (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. Makes sense, I just didn't see that sublevel in time. Visible now, cheers! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Explain Yourself
 AEW Fanboy talk 01:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
User:Gonnym please see the discussion for merging a page here and please see the sources there is no spin off it’s continued in same season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.70.117 (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Gonnym please don’t ignore my message pleases could you participate in this discussion on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.70.117 (talk) 12:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

"Front Toward Enemy" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Front Toward Enemy and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 24 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 09:25, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

About the anime television series categories.
I wanted to ask you why you put the anime television series categories on speedy. Those categories were automatic. Whatever year you put on the animanga template in the first column under tv series automatically sets it to the year the anime premiered. Could you explain why you felt the need to change them? SimonLagann (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * First of all, the functionality of having the year does not change - Category:1961 anime television series and Category:1961 anime television series debuts use the same year, so if that was your entire complaint I don't understand what you want. Regarding the actual move, "anime" does not live in isolation. You'll notice that the parent category of Category:1961 anime television series debuts is Category:1961 Japanese television series debuts which has the parents Category:Japanese television series debuts by year, Category:1961 television series debuts and Category:1960s Japanese television series debuts (notice how none of them were created or moved by me). The moves fall under WP:C2C. Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Image doesnt belong here
Interesting you removed the lot - the problem with Indonesian provinces and identification of what was where the functionality of having provinces easily rendered for curious users - however it could be that the map is in effect like flag cruft I can see that, but at least a few of the categories have links to province info - the array of cat mainspace doesnt belong here looks like a career in itself, some of the more amusing additions fortunately get removed over time, thanks to editors like yourself - its a thankless task that is for sure. JarrahTree 08:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Categories are not a replacement for articles. If we start adding citable text (and images), we'll also need to start referencing categories which we don't. The images in these parent categories didn't offer any actual related values to these categories either. Take a look at Category:Tourist attractions in Indonesia by province. The category is about "Tourist attractions" yet the links in the image link directly to the province. Anyone wishing to find a link to the province can find one in the sub-categories. Category:Tourist attractions in Bali has a see also link as it should. Additionally, anything that is not a category, pushes down the whole page making viewing of the categories much more "noisy". Gonnym (talk) 09:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Special:PrefixIndex/Template:ConvertAbbrev
I see that you and I are working on the same set of templates. I have replaced transclusions of this overly complex, obscurely named template with US State Abbrev and USStateNameToAbb and Canada Province Abbrev. All of the subpages appear to be unused except for one transclusion in National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which I haven't narrowed down yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: found it. The group should be ready to nominate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was quite a search. That must be the strangest handling of module code in an article I've yet to see. Good job! Gonnym (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty titleholders/sandbox
Template:Miss World Continental Queen of Beauty titleholders/sandbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nigej (talk) 09:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

{&#x007B;Redirect category shell}} for soft redirects
The documentation for Redirect category shell says “This template should not be substituted nor should this template and most redirect category (rcat) templates be used to tag soft redirects. Two exceptions are Wikidata redirect, which can be used on all redirects, hard or soft, and R category with possibilities, which can only be used on soft redirects in the category namespace.” That is why I removed that template for and. Gorobay (talk) 16:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, treat this as the exception. Gonnym (talk) 17:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Why should there be an exception? Do you think the documentation needs modifying? Gorobay (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * These are redirects. It does not matter if they are redirecting to an article here or on another site. The redirect templates also help in categorizing these. There is basically no reason to not tag these. Gonnym (talk) 21:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Category:Community (TV series) episode redirects to lists has been nominated for deletion
Category:Community (TV series) episode redirects to lists has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Sif (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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ib tv
I'm not going to do a bot run on Infobox television to remove empty parameters, mainly because it's against the remit of my bot. Just giving you your reply without edit-warring over the matter. Primefac (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I can't force you to do whatever you don't want to do. The infobox will keep on checking for them either way, as it currently does with the unknown check. Also, there really isn't any difference between a filled out parameter and an empty parameter once they are both removed from the infobox - both have no visual footprint, so not really sure why there is this distinction when removing them. As an aside, instead of a bot doing the removal whose edits can be hidden as it has a bot flag, these will be manually removed with edits that can't be hidden. Gonnym (talk) 19:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Then let me do my bot run and take out the used deprecated parameters, and I'll turn it right back on when I'm done so you can try to convince a different botop to remove the unused deprecated parameters? Primefac (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You will just cause the parameters to end up in Category:Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters which is even worse. The consensus was to completely remove the parameters, not selectively removing some, while leaving garbage for others to clean up. I am personally opposed to your proposal. Gonnym (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

VP proposal
I just wanted to give you a heads-up that you didn't sign this !vote. Guettarda (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm used to the reply tool that I forgot that without it I need to sign manually. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

MandoWarrior
I've wondering given this is a new account as of a month ago, they might be a sock. Problem is I've encountered so many across the pop culture articles, I can't suggest one as the master to make an SPI. Any thoughts? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * That's a good question but I really do not know. The last sock had a thing with redirect creations which Mando does not do. Gonnym (talk) 05:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll keep my eyes on it, and see if I feel any behavior feels similar to known socks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Favre1fan93 and now he is blocked as sock. Gonnym (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And it was the same sock as last time too! Kudos to both of you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 13:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:S-line/Ankara Metro left/M1
You missed one. Template:S-line/Ankara Metro left/M1. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, probably messed it with the nom merge. @Explicit can this be deleted with the rest you deleted? Gonnym (talk) 07:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Not what that article and I wanted
Hi, I can see why you removed the infobox under the "Planned TV series" section of Barbie: Big City, Big Dreams, but you could've just left it there if you understood that it was an article starter under a based-on article which would become its own article per WP:GNG and its associated essay.

In case you don't know since your last edit on that page, I'm using a mobile operator network with an on/off data switch feature that can trigger without notice at any time (which on WP is termed open proxies) in my country. What this means is, when my mobile data is switched on, I get connected with an IP address which I have no idea whether it is blocked on WP or not. If it isn't, no problem! But, if it is and thanks to that edit you did, get deleted, I'll be found on the wrong side of WP policies which could get me blocked. That edit was created in anticipation of an event sometime in the year. Per the last part of the first line, pending notability progression, that section could be spun-out to its own article.

If you checked the page's history before your edit, you'll notice that others would've done what you did if they knew it was the exact opposite of what that section was made of. Remember these two scenarios: (1) If not for IP blocks while attempting to edit, I would've remove it on the spot by now with or without consultation/consensus if it wasn't to WP standards. & (2) Your edit of removing an infobox of a section of a larger article which could be spun-out into its own article and comply with WP's Merge Page consensus of a potential stub under a known article, especially with a non-free image in it, could lead to ramifications for people who would rather just move it there, clean that section up to your taste and be okay with the page's look! To shorten the second scenario for better comprehension, the infobox under the aforementioned section of that article was left for the same reason as this comparison between a then-stub of a larger article to its own article: (Before/After) There are many more where this came from which you have no idea of and I've been through all of them and more.

To summarize all this, that's why this site is called "Wiki Encyclopedia" (shortened simply to "Wikipedia"), a collaborative project of all forms, branches and types of knowledge, which I contribute to heavily due to my location. I've reverted your edit for the time being, but like you, I'm praying that these IP blocks relax whiles I'm attempting to edit so I can rectify this. Thanks for that bold move and ideology. Intrisit (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you would be blocked if the image is deleted, that makes no sense. Regarding the infobox removal, an infobox is supposed to summarize key information of an article. If the whole section is 4 lines long, then having an infobox which is 5 times the size of the section is a horrible design choice. If an article will be created from that section, then great, use an infobox. Until that time there really is no reason to do so. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Mary Tyler Moore Show
The episodes list was approaching 100,000 bytes which is WP:TOOLONG. Thus the need to carve out season 1 into a separate article. Cbl62 (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * It's a simple list of episodes. It's fine. Gonnym (talk) 00:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:TOOLONG,> 60 kB	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material) and > 100 kB	Almost certainly should be divided. As expansion continues on other seasons, it is unwieldy to include in one gigantic list. Cbl62 (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You have reverted for a second time rather than follow WP:BRD. Care to discuss? The main list is already approaching 100,000 characters.  As seasons 2 through 7 are expanded, this will approach 200,000 characters.  Why do you think it is appropriate to disregard WP:TOOLONG? Cbl62 (talk) 00:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I also plan to expand the Season 1 article with additional information that goes beyond "a simple list of episodes". Your reverting is thwarting efforts to improve the encyclopedia. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I am following BRD. You were bold, I reverted. You don't get to continue with your edit and cite BRD. The readable prose size is around 1k with 1,161 characters. That is not a reason to split the article. If you think I'm wrong, go to the TV project page and ask others, but stop forcing your way. Gonnym (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Your concept of BRD is backwards by the way. Cbl62 (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If you plan to add additional information, work on it in the draft space as I said. If the additions are a basic cast list or copied information from the series article, then those aren't by themselves useful or needed. See good season articles before doing this. Gonnym (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement use draft space. The first season of MTM is one of the most important in television history (breakthrough subject and eight Emmy nominations). I've been at this for 15 years and know a little bit about how Wikipedia works. My plan is was to add information about the production, Emmy nominations, etc. Your repeated reverts are impeding those efforts. Please stop. Cbl62 (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's regrettable when users adopt a narrow view of how things should be and block efforts to improve the encyclopedia when their "turf" is invaded. I was prepared to devote extensive effort to creating a first-rate article on the historic first season of MTM. But I really don't need the hassle of fighting "turf wars" with people who want to prevent improvements.  I'll just turn my efforts in another direction. Thanks for inhibiting an effort to improve the encyclopedia! Cbl62 (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Digging a little deeper, I expected to find some overall scheme of which I ran afoul. However, I instead found that we have scores and scores of instances where we have overall episode lists and season articles of far lower quality -- and on far less important television programming. E.g., Hawaii Five-O (1968 TV series, season 11), Barney Miller (season 2), The Rockford Files (season 6), Quincy, M.E. (season 3), Lou Grant (season 4), and on and on. Hoping this search would help me to understand your revert, it has done the opposite. I am now completely dumbfounded at your actions. Cbl62 (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 February 28
I came across a redlink at WP:Articles for deletion for multi-page deletion nomination procedure that leads to Template:Afd footer which leads to Template:AfD in 3 steps where Template:Afd footer (multiple) is linked. (I can see how you missed that!). I'd guess that in WP:AFD it should just link to further down - but I've never dealt with the multi-page deletion procedure, and seldom edit templates, so I'm hesitant to do an edit. Nfitz (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this message, I didn't even see this! The template could either be restored, or its instruction merged into the template. TfD has single and multiple in the same sections. Gonnym (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Survivor: Cook Islands
This article has passed a Good Article review, the weird edit wars that popped up as the GAN concluded notwithstanding. If the editing chaos doesn't settle down, or you feel that the GAN review was incorrect, feel free to start a Good Article Reassessment of the article. Until a GAR closes with the conclusion that the article should be delisted, however, it is a Good Article, and it gets to have the icon at the top. You could always just roll the article back to the version after Legobot added the icon, if you think all the changes since it passed have been for the worse? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but this is a clear case were WP:COMMONSENSE and a dash of WP:IAR apply. The article was reverted right away to everything before the GA and as such is not a GA. Gonnym (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Then unrevert it to the state it was in when it passed at GAN, or run it at GAR. There is a process for deciding whether or not an article is a Good Article, and this one has gone through that process; it isn't up to you to unilaterally decide this. Would you like me to put it up at GAR for you? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You could if you want to. Gonnym (talk) 21:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Template categories should not be in content categories
Thank you for working on creating categories for rail transport templates. Per WP:CAT guideline, content categories should not be used for categorizing templates, like you did recently in Category:Indian Railways templates. Categorization of templates is done via administrative categories only. Please consider putting wikilinks to related content categories on the template category page instead, for example, in form of a hatnote or in topic. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Template:chset-xxx
What happened to the use of all the character set templates, like Template:chset-cell4 et el, in the code page articles (EBCDIC 37, ISO 8859-1, etc.)? Looks like everything got changed sometime around 2022-01-04. Was all of that work wiped out? I see a few draft pages (Draft:EBCDIC 037), so is the intent to replace Template:chset-xxx templates with new Template:Character set xxx templates? — Loadmaster (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No idea. You can ask whomever changed that table design. Gonnym (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I added a comment to the Talk:ISO/IEC_8859-1 page. I doubt it will change anything, though. Too bad. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And BTW, it was Spitzak who began the push for the changes. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Desperate Housewives
FYI, I've gone through and redirected most of the episode articles. They were horrendous. I realized about halfway through there were some R cats and such that exist, so my edits didn't tag them, which might need to still happen. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Good work! I did the season 1 episodes a while ago but didn't continue as it was just too many. Gonnym (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As soon as you linked to it in the Notability discussion, I knew I couldn't just let them stay. That boggles me that that was how editors made pages (mostly years ago), and they somehow have stuck. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Module:Sports table tracking categories
Hello, I noticed recently a lot of templates using Module:Sports table are displaying warnings in the edit window for possibly ignored parameters, and have been added to the category. For example see Template:2021–22 UEFA Champions League group tables, where the tables are formatted correctly. I am assuming this came as a result of, is there any way these errors could be removed from the aforementioned example, where there are no ignored parameters? Thanks, S.A. Julio (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that they weren't there before? I've checked Template:2018–19 UEFA Women's Champions League group tables with this reversion and the category appears there. Gonnym (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I am not entirely sure regarding the hidden category, but I edit such tables quite frequently, and have only noticed the warnings in the edit window quite recently. S.A. Julio (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I found the issue. Let me know if it fixed it. Gonnym (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Your recent category move
Hello Gonnym,

You filed a speedy category renaming request recently on Category:Bande dessinée. I don't mind renaming from Franco-Belgian comics, but shouldn't the category name be Category:Bande dessinées instead? That was actually where there was consensus to move to in the RM (in the same way we have European comics not "European comic"), and someone just moved it again out of process afterward to the singular version. Didn't really care enough to contest the article move, but categories should definitely be plural by default, right? i.e. Category:French novels, not Category:French novel. Any objection if I take this back to speedy? (For all that it seems to indicate that pluralization isn't speedy worthy... sigh... maybe they'll make an exception for recently moved categories.)  SnowFire (talk) 11:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't speak French so I didn't even notice that was a singular/plural situation. You are correct that it should be plural if it is a descriptive name like the previous "Franco-Belgian comics". Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

TFD for Template:WikiProject Nigeria/Lagos
Hello Gonnym, There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Eruditescholar (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Template:Infobox assembly
Hey, Gonnym,

I hope you are well. I just wanted to ask you, when you tag a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/TFD/RFD/etc.), please post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. I see that you already use Twinkle so there might be a problem with your Twinkle Preferences. Make sure that "Notify page creator" box is checked off and that EVERY CSD criteria box is checked off in the CSD section of the Preferences. I think the default is to only have a few CSD criteria checked when it really doesn't matter what the deletion reason is, the page creator should still be notified. I come to you regarding this particular one because a different editor "blanked" the page rather than the page creator so, as far as I can tell, they don't even know there is a problem with this template since the editor who blanked the page didn't notify them of there being a problem.

Thanks for all of your contributions with templates and categories, I seem to run into your handiwork every day! Many thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 06:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Category:Big Brother (Swedish television series)
Why did you add abbreviation for television? There is no reason for it. Eurohunter (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The article is at Big Brother (Swedish TV series) and not at Big Brother (Swedish television series). See WP:NCTV. Gonnym (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Category:A-Class Animation articles by work groups & Category:A-Class Animation articles
Hello, Gonnym,

I just finished deleting a lot of categories for A-Class animation articles from a CFD you proposed and found these were kind of left out of the proposal and weren't tagged to be part of the discussion. Did you intend for these to be deleted as well? I think it would be easiest at this point to contact the CFD discussion closer about including them or, they can just be leftover categories. Thanks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 06:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure I just missed these. Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Germany/HRE categories
Hey, Gonnym,

I really didn't intend to post so many messages on your talk page! But going through all of the Germany/Holy Roman Empire categories, it seems like it was you who emptied the Germany ones, I guess using some tool I don't know about. Well, there are still a few out there, I came across some at Category:Establishments in the Holy Roman Empire by year and elsewhere but this is the category that had the most that were still around. I don't mean to give you work to do when I'm sure you have your own set of tasks you like to handle but if you knew of a way to empty these lingering Germany categories and get the contents moved into Holy Roman Empire categories for that year, I'd be ever grateful. Thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:24, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Liz, I used no tool, just manually checked each article to determine what the correct categories are. I'll go over the rest and see if I can help with those. Gonnym (talk) 06:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much, I think you got most of them. Changing all of these categories manually sounds like a lot of work and I appreciate your time. I'm also not sure when Germany is no longer considered part of the Holy Roman Empire, I should really read up on my history more, it's somewhere in the 1800s. It would have been easier if they had included all of these categories in the original CFD nomination and the bot could have handled all of this work. Thanks again. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, damn, I just found more in Category:Establishments in the Holy Roman Empire by decade. This CFD was really handled poorly both in the proposal and the closure. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Your move of Module:Adjacent stations/BVL to Module:Adjacent stations/Barcelona–Vallès Line
Please don't supress the redirect when moving a template or module which is actually in use. This has the potential of breaking a page. In stead, when such an action would otherwise be appropriate, please leave the redirect until all relevant pages have been fixed. Animal lover &#124;666&#124; (talk) 04:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * None of the pages were broken. The module was used on only two pages and the fix was immediately. In fact, it took you longer to write this message then it took me to fix those. Also, please when you create a module, don't use random abbreviations that other editors won't know what they mean. Even Barcelona–Vallès Line does not mention "BVL" once. Gonnym (talk) 04:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You happened to do this at the same time I was navigating along the articles of the stations of Barcelona Metro line L5, and I arrived at Provença–Diagonal station when the article was broken. Animal lover &#124;666&#124; (talk) 04:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And I simply used the system designations already in place in the Template:S-Line usage previously present in the articles. Animal lover &#124;666&#124; (talk) 04:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Réseau Express Régional succession templates


A tag has been placed on Category:Réseau Express Régional succession templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Gonnym,
 * I wanted to let you know that Category:TER Bretagne succession templates has been tagged as a CSD C1 empty category by an admin who doesn't believe in leaving talk page notifications for page creators when pages are tagged for deletion or deleted. You seem to like to tag them yourself for CSD G7 or you can wait a week and it will be deleted or if you still have a use for it, make sure it doesn't remain empty! Your choice. Take care, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey Liz, any category that I created and is empty, feel free to delete right away as G7, I have no issues with that. Especially if these are the rail categories which I created to help others convert those more easily. Gonnym (talk) 06:40, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Kent Family Chronicles
I would argue neither film nor book are that notable. The books were successful in their time, but have been forgotten now. (Exhibit A: the the articles for the rest of the series.) I agree the books may be notable for their authorship and as part of the mid-1970s "Bicentennial fever." However, the films are only notable because of the books.

What if we collate all the books onto the main Kent Family Chronicles page and then have another article for the films? I really don't think they rate eight different articles each. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If both are not notable then send the article to AfD. Two non-notable topics don't make a notable topic. If none of the books are notable but the series is, then The Kent Family Chronicles might be the correct way. Gonnym (talk) 08:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking further into it, I agree the series is notable by virtue of its authorship. Jakes was a well-known historical novelist in the 70s and 80s. I think the first three books in the series are notable enough for their own articles, w/ a short section on the adaptation. (I mean, they were notable enough in their time for an adaptation.) I'll merge the last few novels in the series back into the main Kent page, since they're undeveloped stubs w/o even a plot summary and don't seem to be as notable as the first three. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Odakyu Electric Railway succession templates


A tag has been placed on Category:Odakyu Electric Railway succession templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Adjacent stations/Buenos Aires Underground error


A tag has been placed on Category:Adjacent stations/Buenos Aires Underground error indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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 * Hello, Gonnym,
 * User:Gonnym/sandbox still appears to be in this category even after I removed the brackets from the "Category:Adjacent stations/Buenos Aires Underground error" line on the page. I did a search for other places on the page where this category was mentioned and only found the one. Then I purged the cache and the sandbox still shows up as being in this category. It's a minor problem, of course, but I can't figure out why I can't remove this page from the category. That sometimes happens with templates but I'm adverse to editing templates because I'm not skilled at doing this. But I thought I'd bring it to your attention in case you could figure out what the glitch is. Thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Television episodes set in the 18th century


A tag has been placed on Category:Television episodes set in the 18th century indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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 * @Liz do you have a way of knowing what page was removed from the sub-categories? One of the 1700s had a valid episode entry but I don't remember which one. Gonnym (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, you removed the valid entry. Why? Gonnym (talk) 20:41, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for multiple deletion of Kazan Metro templates
The templates listed above and the category that contains them have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. ZandDev (msg) 09:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Kazan Metro succession templates
 * Template:KazanMetro color
 * Template:KazanMetro lines
 * Template:KazanMetro stations
 * Template:KazanMetro style
 * Template:S-line/KazanMetro left/1
 * Template:S-line/KazanMetro right/1
 * Template:S-line/KazanMetro right/1

Ravivaar with star parivaar
These are color codes given in show to distinguish between families (teams) hence added in the article. Imsaneikigai (talk) 16:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter. That is pure trivia and has no encyclopedic meaning and it also fails MOS:COLOR. Gonnym (talk) 20:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

"Template:NYCS stations" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:NYCS stations and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 13 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. WOSlinker (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Medellín Metro succession templates


A tag has been placed on Category:Medellín Metro succession templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Adjacent stations docs
Do you need to update the Line docs for Adjacent stations to mention the defaults for icons now? -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll handle it now. Thanks for reminding me! Gonnym (talk) 07:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Bug with default icons in Adjacent Stations
The change you made to add the default icon option to Adjacent stations doesn't seem to work properly if you use an alias for the line. For example Could you have a look at the issue? -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Using "1":
 * Using "Line 1":


 * I'll take a look now. Gonnym (talk) 10:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @WOSlinker fixed. Let me know if you find anything else. Gonnym (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)